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[00:00:25] How are you doing? This is Jorge Gestoso. On today's
[00:00:28] program. Fujimori assumes the presidency of
[00:00:32] Peru with another notable
[00:00:35] guest, Juan Diego Mota,
[00:00:38] lawyer, political analyst
[00:00:40] directly from Lima, Juan Diego Mota,
[00:00:44] a warm welcome to the program, thank you very much for the invitation and
[00:00:48] winner, and then over I remain attentive in these minutes to be able to talk with you and
[00:00:51] with your listeners, Juan Diego, why
[00:00:55] to begin with, in a country like ours
[00:00:59] that has survived first
[00:01:02] a pandemic, a crisis with the COVID-19 pandemic, very
[00:01:06] strong, which generated or ended up
[00:01:10] having the regrettable figure of being the country with the highest
[00:01:14] mortality in the world,
[00:01:16] that is, at the level of percentages, a
[00:01:20] country that has experienced an internal
[00:01:23] armed conflict in the 80s and 90s with more than
[00:01:27] 70,000 dead and disappeared, and a
[00:01:30] country where we lived a bloody dictatorship throughout
[00:01:34] the 90s, I'm not the only one who says
[00:01:36] it, but
[00:01:39] demonstrated, that is what this is something that can be verified, I'm referring to Alberto Fujimori,
[00:01:42] father, with multiple sentences at national and
[00:01:45] international levels, and the
[00:01:49] candidate who represents
[00:01:51] in a way all these evils
[00:01:59] etc. The legislative no, the daughter of the dictator Alberto Fujimori, responsible for implementing a program
[00:02:02] to deepen the
[00:02:05] without a doubt, no, one of neoliberal model where the economy
[00:02:08] in power, we have seen it with of large companies is privileged no, that is what over the lives of citizens, and that this was evidenced
[00:02:12] especially in this pandemic crisis, and that has been
[00:02:14] characterized a lot by violence and repression,
[00:02:18] that she is the one who ends up winning the electoral process that
[00:02:23] out, they did not let him govern from we are now experiencing or suffering its consequences. You have said and I read your exact
[00:02:27] words, you have said that Fujimorism
[00:02:30] is much more than a political
[00:02:33] party and constitutes a power
[00:02:36] structure with influence in
[00:02:39] institutions, how would you explain precisely
[00:02:42] to a Latin American
[00:02:45] Keiko Fujimori tried to audience who hears this conception for
[00:02:48] the first time? To understand it, I think we would have to take into account that
[00:02:53] all, they gave him the coup d'état because of what Fujimorism is a very, very particular phenomenon
[00:02:57] of Peru. I don't think it is repeated in
[00:03:01] other parts of Latin America. It has similarities with other
[00:03:04] authoritarian, dictatorial processes, but it is
[00:03:07] very particular. I think it is part of this
[00:03:11] wave of far-right governments that are
[00:03:14] coming to power in Latin
[00:03:18] start a game, the first America through processes labeled or with
[00:03:21] indications of fraud with
[00:03:24] the coup d'état that was given to the legitimate president Pedro
[00:03:28] Castillo, orchestrated from Congress,
[00:03:32] which has been controlled by Fujimorism,
[00:03:35] specifically by Keito Fujimori, who
[00:03:38] then placed puppet presidents, several puppet presidents,
[00:03:42] and who no longer only has control
[00:03:44] of the legislative power, now has control of the executive
[00:03:48] power, in addition to most of the
[00:03:51] institutions, the institutions
[00:03:54] that govern all electoral processes, the judicial
[00:03:58] power, the public ministry, the constitutional tribunal, the armed forces, the police
[00:04:01] have been occupying all these scenarios, and that is a characteristic
[00:04:05] of Fujimorism, and in that sense I believe that there is
[00:04:08] continuity but also the novelty of deepening the model,
[00:04:12] no, it is a dictatorship
[00:04:16] that is going to be enthroned and that has been
[00:04:19] managed to be legalized, so to speak, with this electoral process. What country does Kiko
[00:04:22] Fujimori receive when he gives his speech on taking office this July 28th?
[00:04:26] He receives a country in chaos with
[00:04:30] high rates of citizen insecurity, with
[00:04:33] an El Niño phenomenon at the gates and that
[00:04:36] everyone will see that we are not prepared to receive that El Niño phenomenon,
[00:04:39] despite the fact that everyone already knows well in advance that it will come, with
[00:04:43] a political and institutional crisis, we have had 10
[00:04:46] presidents in the last 10 years and also
[00:04:49] an economic period of
[00:04:52] deceleration. There are
[00:04:56] signs of an economic crisis.
[00:04:58] But what Keiko Fujimori doesn't say is that all this
[00:05:02] framework has been the product of her
[00:05:05] government, because she is the one who has governed in recent
[00:05:09] years, you said. December 2022, clearly
[00:05:12] illegally, she has had power from Congress and
[00:05:16] most of the institutions occupied, and she is the one who has placed the puppet presidents, but
[00:05:20] also for many years, no,
[00:05:24] she removed President Pedro Pablo
[00:05:27] Kuczynski in the period 2017, from
[00:05:31] 2018 onwards,
[00:05:34] from the total power she had in Congress,
[00:05:38] and she already had it before, didn't she? The previous
[00:05:41] Congress was also occupied, so she has had
[00:05:44] legislative power in her hands, so she
[00:05:48] is the one who has generated this country, our country, in a permanent
[00:05:51] crisis, however, she tries to blame
[00:05:54] this on the left, which only governed for a year and a
[00:05:58] half, which is what they allowed Pedro Castillo to govern, well, governing in quotation marks,
[00:06:01] because here we are also talking to an audience
[00:06:05] that does not know the details of Peru, and at least
[00:06:08] to paint it in broad strokes, here we are talking about a rural
[00:06:12] teacher who came to power
[00:06:15] through sheer effort, from the interior of the country, when the
[00:06:19] history is that the Lima elite is the one that has
[00:06:22] governed Peru for at least decades. The rural
[00:06:26] teacher manages to take her to a second
[00:06:30] round, she wins, so from
[00:06:33] then on, this lady Keiko Fujimori does not accept the
[00:06:37] results, it takes at least more than a month for
[00:06:41] them to twist her arm and for her to have no
[00:06:45] choice but to accept that Pedro Castillo won.
[00:06:49] He then arrives at the government palace and
[00:06:53] they put him against the ropes, from a year and a half through lawfare they
[00:06:56] give him a constitutional coup, a coup, what
[00:07:00] we experienced from 2021 onwards, no,
[00:07:04] in effect, what we had was a
[00:07:08] coup, not a congressional coup perpetrated against the
[00:07:12] legitimate president Pedro Castillo, who
[00:07:15] was, and this is important, the first president of popular
[00:07:19] origin, representing the popular sectors
[00:07:23] and a political position to the
[00:07:25] left who won in Peru
[00:07:28] electorally, not the first in history,
[00:07:31] and as you have rightly pointed
[00:07:35] day zero of his mandate, and
[00:07:39] a year and a half later they gave him this coup,
[00:07:42] not from the legislature, but it must be pointed out that the
[00:07:46] armed forces, the national police, all the
[00:07:50] institutions had a hostile position towards the
[00:07:53] president, even with very harsh statements,
[00:07:56] and what can I say about lukewarm reforms,
[00:07:59] perhaps to the liking of many, but he
[00:08:02] tried to do it, and above
[00:08:06] he represented, no, he represented the
[00:08:09] oppressed sectors of the country, especially from the interior of the country,
[00:08:13] the provinces, the forgotten regions, the southern
[00:08:15] Andes, among others, so that
[00:08:18] we can take into account
[00:08:22] to understand a little bit of the idiosyncrasy, the
[00:08:24] social dynamic of Peru,
[00:08:28] the right
[00:08:30] is positioned especially in what is known as modern Lima,
[00:08:34] Peru is a very centralist and very racist country,
[00:08:38] also, a third of the population resides in
[00:08:41] Lima, and with that power and from there they
[00:08:44] govern, and that is what happened in the last electoral
[00:08:48] process as well, an electoral process that
[00:08:51] leads to a second round in a runoff, precisely
[00:08:54] Keiko Fujimori, who was the heir of Alberto
[00:08:58] Fujimori and all the most rancid right wing,
[00:09:01] no, the Peruvian bourgeoisie, and on the other side, Roberto
[00:09:04] Sánchez, who appears
[00:09:08] as a representative delegate of Pedro Castillo, representing the vast
[00:09:11] majorities of the country, let us remember that Pedro Castillo is currently imprisoned
[00:09:15] or kidnapped, no,
[00:09:18] who has said that
[00:09:21] Mr. Pedro Castillo is innocent, that his right to defense and due
[00:09:25] process were not respected, of course, he has recommended
[00:09:29] that he be released immediately, and of course, this government has turned a
[00:09:33] deaf ear to that
[00:09:36] call, despite the fact that the people have mobilized demanding his
[00:09:40] release, so it is in that context that this electoral
[00:09:44] process takes place, and furthermore, in the second
[00:09:47] round, Keiko Fujimori wins with serious
[00:09:51] accusations
[00:09:53] of fraud and very murky things that happened in that electoral
[00:09:57] process. Juan Diego, I invite you to take a short break, we are
[00:10:00] talking with Juan Diego Mota directly from
[00:10:03] Lima. Juan Diego is a lawyer and political
[00:10:06] analyst, we are talking about Keiko
[00:10:10] Fujimori and her
[00:10:13] assumption of the presidency of Peru. We'll be
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[00:12:19] we are talking about Heiko Fujimori who assumes
[00:12:23] the presidency of Peru. To put it in
[00:12:25] perspective, a tool that has been used for
[00:12:28] 10 years of Alberto Fujimori's dictatorship, in which he has been
[00:12:31] accused, he has been condemned also for human
[00:12:35] rights violations left and right, he practiced
[00:12:39] and the word is "terruquear",
[00:12:42] "terruqueo", basically, as we understand
[00:12:45] it, is to accuse
[00:12:48] everyone who is an opponent
[00:12:52] of the government of being a terrorist.
[00:12:55] So not only are you labeled as
[00:12:58] being part of that
[00:13:01] "terruqueo", but since they put the
[00:13:05] label of terrorist on you, you can be put through a legal
[00:13:08] process where you can end up in jail for the simple
[00:13:11] real fact of disagreeing with,
[00:13:14] for example, in the case of Alberto Fujimori, with a ferocious
[00:13:18] dictatorship. That "terruqueo" that today
[00:13:21] is also practiced by those who come from the north and
[00:13:25] opponents who are now given the title of terrorist for coming
[00:13:29] out to protest, as they do in Argentina of Milei,
[00:13:33] for human rights,
[00:13:36] this lady Keiko Fujimori, heir to all
[00:13:40] that, continues practicing or is
[00:13:42] practicing "terruqueo", without a doubt, let's
[00:13:46] remember that Alberto Fujimori Sr.
[00:13:49] was convicted, he
[00:13:53] passed away, he was convicted
[00:13:55] to 25 years in prison by national courts,
[00:13:59] previously there was an international process
[00:14:01] for crimes against humanity in this type, in this
[00:14:05] matter, what is known as the massacre at La Cantuta
[00:14:09] University, where a paramilitary
[00:14:12] commando, following direct orders from his
[00:14:15] government, kidnapped students and a
[00:14:18] professor to assassinate them, because they were
[00:14:21] in opposition. The massacre of Barrios
[00:14:25] Altos, where also the same paramilitary commando under
[00:14:29] his orders entered a popular
[00:14:32] party in a popular place in Lima
[00:14:35] and massacred everyone who was at that meeting, including
[00:14:39] children, a 9-year-old child was assassinated.
[00:14:43] In addition to a sentence for
[00:14:46] kidnapping journalists, even some
[00:14:49] businessmen, that is not
[00:14:52] fiction, that is not just literature, those are sentences
[00:14:56] against Alberto Fujimori Sr. in addition to sentences,
[00:14:59] mind you, for corruption and embezzlement, 15
[00:15:03] million soles, approximately 5 million dollars, which were
[00:15:06] paid from the national treasury by order of Fujimori
[00:15:09] to his crony, his 15 million soles
[00:15:13] for concepts of compensation for length of service,
[00:15:16] which was totally illegal. Another
[00:15:19] sentence also for 15 million soles
[00:15:22] for paying parliamentarians,
[00:15:25] congressmen, to change sides, to change their vote,
[00:15:29] that is also even recorded in videos when they received the
[00:15:32] money, wad by wad, to buy media,
[00:15:36] to buy polling companies, all of that
[00:15:39] is in judicial processes, in sentences,
[00:15:42] so one of the mechanisms that Alberto Fujimori
[00:15:46] used was repression to silence his
[00:15:49] opponents. Fujimori Sr. used populism on
[00:15:53] the one hand, he gave money, injections
[00:15:56] of money, and on the other hand,
[00:15:59] repression, no, that has been the logic, no, the logic of the
[00:16:03] carrot and the stick, well, the daughter repeats and perfects
[00:16:08] that mechanism. For example, with the speech of taking
[00:16:11] office, she has given a populist speech promising
[00:16:14] to deliver money, bonds, she has
[00:16:18] promised to deliver even school kits,
[00:16:21] sweaters, that is what she said in her speech of taking office, that is, at that
[00:16:25] elementary level her populist speech reaches,
[00:16:29] I am going to give sweaters to the children, I am going to give this,
[00:16:32] but the issue of repression continues
[00:16:35] in the government.
[00:17:07] innocence, no, when that does not resist the slightest
[00:17:11] legal analysis, no, innocence is presumed, it does not have to be
[00:17:16] Fujimori's legacy has done and what Fujimori continues to do.
[00:17:20] Juan Diego, you have used the exact
[00:17:22] words, the weakening of Peruvian
[00:17:26] democracy and the crisis of political
[00:17:30] representation, you have warned about this on numerous
[00:17:33] occasions, are we facing another
[00:17:36] chapter of the same, of the same disease? Yes,
[00:17:42] the characteristics of Fujimorism
[00:17:46] the father and with the daughter from Congress, is the
[00:17:50] takeover of all democratic,
[00:17:53] legal institutions in the country, they control the
[00:17:57] constitutional court, they control the judiciary,
[00:18:00] they control the public ministry, that is, the
[00:18:03] prosecutor's office, and now they have taken control
[00:18:07] of the electoral bodies and this last point, just to make a
[00:18:11] parenthesis, it has been very surprising and
[00:18:15] serious because in the last electoral process
[00:18:19] that the country experienced, where Keito Fujimori was proclaimed president,
[00:18:23] there were two
[00:18:27] rounds, two rounds, not the first round and then the second round, the
[00:18:30] runoff, and the curious thing is that between those two
[00:18:34] rounds, when the electoral process was already called,
[00:18:38] breaking any rule of the existing democratic
[00:18:41] institutionality today, the
[00:18:45] person who directs the electoral
[00:18:48] body was changed, and the rules of the electoral
[00:18:52] process were changed, it's like you
[00:18:55] half with a referee with some
[00:18:58] rules, and in the second half they change the
[00:19:01] referee and change the rules, that's what happened in the
[00:19:04] electoral process that resulted in Keiko
[00:19:08] Fujimori winning, among other things, because she takes control through
[00:19:11] Congress of this body, these
[00:19:15] organizations, these electoral institutions, so yes, Fujimorism
[00:19:19] tends to destroy
[00:19:22] democracy, let's say a true democracy, popular
[00:19:25] democracy, demonstrating the
[00:19:28] limits of representative democracy and converting it into a
[00:19:31] democracy that serves its interests, not a democracy
[00:19:35] faithful to the interests of the bourgeoisie
[00:19:39] that she represents. Well, for example, in Ecuador, Luisa
[00:19:42] González, who was the rival of Daniel Noboa, the
[00:19:45] son of the richest man in Ecuador,
[00:19:48] born in the United States, and whose organization
[00:19:52] linked his father to the export of
[00:19:55] bananas and inside the bananas,
[00:19:57] cocaine, Luisa González
[00:20:01] fraud, here the court, in some way
[00:20:04] Roberto Sánchez orally
[00:20:07] and Keiko Fujimori made sure that these
[00:20:10] accusations by Roberto Sánchez became a reality, that in the end what happened
[00:20:14] here was a fraud. I believe that yes, there are enough indications
[00:20:18] that show great irregularities in the process that could
[00:20:21] lead us to say that it is a fraudulent process, and
[00:20:24] note that this unfortunately
[00:20:27] are no longer isolated
[00:20:30] symptoms, but rather they show a systematic
[00:20:33] action not only in the country but in Latin America.
[00:20:37] Look at what is happening in Colombia, what you have commented on in
[00:20:40] Ecuador, what happened in Honduras, no, in the last
[00:20:44] electoral processes and what was
[00:20:47] later testified, known as the Honduras gate,
[00:20:50] no, where sinister powers from abroad,
[00:20:54] basically in North America and Israel,
[00:20:58] would have been behind many
[00:21:01] pronouncements in official documents such
[00:21:04] as regaining control of their
[00:21:07] space for
[00:21:10] this a
[00:21:12] rear
[00:21:16] discourse.
[00:21:19] So that has also
[00:21:22] been seen in this electoral process
[00:21:25] where, as I was telling
[00:21:28] you, the first
[00:21:31] results, even from right-wing pollsters, gave
[00:21:35] Roberto Sánchez as the
[00:21:38] the course of the days, in a vote count that lasted
[00:21:42] almost a month, which was also
[00:21:45] unheard of, the result started to turn around
[00:21:48] and turn around, mainly due to votes from
[00:21:51] abroad, no, citizens abroad, and what happened abroad?
[00:21:55] Well, the rules of the game were changed from the first to the
[00:21:59] second round, before it was allowed or it was
[00:22:03] mandatory that the votes be digitized
[00:22:07] electronically and be sent both
[00:22:10] in diplomatic pouch abroad, instead of the vote, no,
[00:22:14] in front of all the witnesses who had seen the observers from each
[00:22:18] group, the members of the polling station, and
[00:22:21] the chain of custody is broken, in some cases
[00:22:25] it took 3 days, for example, for the votes from Argentina
[00:22:29] to Peru, on a flight that normally takes 4 hours, 5
[00:22:33] hours, it took 3 days to arrive, so what is said
[00:22:36] is that in all that transfer, there are also
[00:22:39] multiple complaints from citizens who say
[00:22:42] that they were impersonated, no, and they prove it
[00:22:46] with evidence, there are even videos,
[00:22:49] hypothesis that is being considered is that there would have been
[00:22:52] vote manipulation there,
[00:22:56] is being denounced, moreover, another curious
[00:22:59] fact is that days before, weeks before,
[00:23:02] the ambassadors of Argentina,
[00:23:06] Spain, the United States,
[00:23:09] where irregularities in the handling
[00:23:12] of the vote were precisely
[00:23:16] denounced, all of that leads us to believe that indeed this
[00:23:20] occupation of institutions and the electoral process have
[00:23:23] placed Teiko as an illegitimate
[00:23:26] president. Finally, Juan Diego, here we are talking
[00:23:30] about this being the fourth time that
[00:23:35] reach the presidency, she achieved it this fourth time. Where does the
[00:23:39] Peruvian left stand in this whole panorama,
[00:23:43] emerging as representing the popular sectors, it is a new left that
[00:23:47] found in a citizen like Pedro
[00:23:50] Castillo, without much political
[00:23:53] training, one of its representatives, and now with
[00:23:56] Roberto Sánchez as the follower of those
[00:24:00] sectors that mainly come from the interior of the country, from the
[00:24:04] southern Andes, among others, I believe that it is the
[00:24:07] hope of what is being cooked up in Peru from
[00:24:11] the most humble and organized sectors that, for
[00:24:15] example, on July 28, when Keite Fujimori was giving her
[00:24:18] speech of taking office, mobilized
[00:24:22] a large number of people in the streets,
[00:24:25] protesting, opposing and not recognizing the
[00:24:28] government of Cairo Fujimori, a very important gesture was that
[00:24:32] Roberto Sánchez and the congressmen who
[00:24:36] were able to reach the Senate and the Chamber of
[00:24:39] Deputies left Keiko Fujimori
[00:24:43] speaking alone in the hemicycle and joined the
[00:24:46] protests, that is something important, because the
[00:24:50] link between the representatives
[00:24:53] and these officials, so to speak,
[00:24:57] who are in power in Congress and the
[00:25:01] masses is re-established, and that is the right thing to do, the masses must
[00:25:04] rule, and the representatives are simply the agents of the masses,
[00:25:08] and that is a good sign that the people do not forget, the people are alert, the people
[00:25:12] mobilize and do not recognize Mrs.
[00:25:15] Fujimori as a legitimate president. Juan Diego Mota,
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