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[00:00:02] shooting at children, that is, what
[00:00:06] Europe and the United States is the metropolis of
[00:00:23] population of Gaza to displacement of the
[00:00:36] These ideas are to remember years after the beginning and intensification of the military aggression, the genocide of the
[00:00:40] Israeli regime against the Gaza Strip, the figures and
[00:00:43] the devastation portray an unprecedented human
[00:00:47] tragedy. More than 74,000 Palestinians killed,
[00:00:50] mostly women and children, 90% of
[00:00:53] the population forcibly
[00:00:55] and we have seen the displaced, and more than 80% of vital
[00:00:58] infrastructure reduced to rubble. Thousands of families
[00:01:02] survive an implacable military offensive that has
[00:01:05] erased entire neighborhoods and has turned childhood into the
[00:01:08] main statistic, into the main statistic of horror.
[00:01:12] Today we analyze the dimension of the Israeli
[00:01:15] genocide, three years on, the paralysis of international organizations
[00:01:19] in the face of the systematic violation of international law and the
[00:01:23] historical resistance of the Palestinian
[00:01:25] poor nations, it is the law of people. How far has the media narrative about
[00:01:28] Israel's self-defense gone, and how far must Zionism go for it to be
[00:01:32] punished for its actions in
[00:01:41] beginning of the intensification of the genocide in Gaza. The humanitarian
[00:01:45] and violence situation in Palestinian
[00:01:47] those responsible? So far, the United territory continues to be marked by a serious crisis, the silence and lack of action
[00:01:51] continues. The result, staggering
[00:01:54] figures. More than
[00:01:56] less so. The apartheid 74,000 Palestinians own interests, so how are we going to killed and 175,000 injured.
[00:02:00] How far has the media narrative of Israel's self-defense gone, and how far
[00:02:03] must Zionism go for it to be punished for the genocide in
[00:02:07] Gaza?
[00:02:08] Well,
[00:02:11] there we had the profile of
[00:02:13] humanity. Yes, in that case our program, I immediately proceed population, and well, I am accompanied to talk with our guests in the studio,
[00:02:17] Indu Anderi, journalist, human rights activist and in solidarity with Palestine.
[00:02:20] Thank you very much, Indu, for your
[00:02:23] time with us and with the Latin American audience. Also in the distance,
[00:02:27] I am accompanied by Daniel.
[00:02:30] International specialist in the Middle East and Near East. Daniel, thank
[00:02:34] many facets to comment on in the you very much for your time with us, welcome to this space with the
[00:02:37] Telesur audience. Also Eduardo Menéces, political scientist
[00:02:41] of thinking about international law. What specialized in Middle East geopolitics. Thank you too,
[00:02:45] Eduardo, for your time, welcome to
[00:02:48] the coverage that Telesur is carrying out on this topic today, text and
[00:02:51] context. First question that has to do precisely with what is
[00:02:55] happening legally, right, in this case Indu,
[00:02:58] with you, because.
[00:03:01] Eh, the detractors of the genocide say that
[00:03:04] legally there is no evidence to point to Israel's aggressions
[00:03:07] as genocide because they have not expressed a specific intention to
[00:03:11] destroy Palestinians, but the UN, also organizations like
[00:03:16] genocide approved by the UN Amnesty International conclude that genocide genocide, what is happening in was committed. More than 75 eh
[00:03:20] retired US generals and legal experts signed an
[00:03:23] open letter rejecting that accusation, arguing that the deaths of
[00:03:27] civilians, however serious, do not constitute the same
[00:03:31] intention required by the convention on genocide, so here it is worth
[00:03:34] asking, does international law
[00:03:38] require specific intention, statements by
[00:03:41] Israeli leaders who describe Palestinians as human
[00:03:44] animals? This is precisely inscribed
[00:03:47] as an eh
[00:03:50] proof, isn't there specifically a proof that
[00:03:54] categorizes Israel precisely as an entity that is committing
[00:03:58] about the scenario of genocide in Gaza? Look, these statements essentially reiterate
[00:04:02] that international law, that the international system
[00:04:06] collapsed, that we are facing
[00:04:09] the eh, let's say, the horror
[00:04:13] in check, economically, and that is what of what has been a practice
[00:04:16] of defending human rights for some and archiving the
[00:04:20] human rights of others, eh, I don't
[00:04:23] know if Hitler in Germany planned
[00:04:27] to eradicate a certain part of the population and that's why one
[00:04:31] cannot deny that there was a genocide
[00:04:34] there too, right, in the Second World War. We are facing a
[00:04:38] an unspeakable tragedy that not only concerns
[00:04:41] us by seeing the horrors that have been committed
[00:04:45] against the Palestinian population. There is something that in
[00:04:48] journalism we talk about when we say
[00:04:51] eh elements of fact, that is to
[00:04:55] say, just by looking at the images that are broadcast live and
[00:04:59] direct, through social networks, through digital media,
[00:05:02] through all conventional media, we already have enough
[00:05:06] evidence of what is happening there, that is,
[00:05:10] we see daily mercenaries
[00:05:15] happened with the girl Hind, Rajab, for example, what
[00:05:18] does it mean, or what happens permanently with the use of
[00:05:22] hunger against Palestinian children, or for example, the
[00:05:26] fact of using snipers to murder
[00:05:29] pregnant women in the middle of the situation in Gaza, the
[00:05:36] different spaces where they are hunted by the
[00:05:39] Zionist mercenaries of the entity that occupies a
[00:05:42] land illegitimately, because I believe
[00:05:45] that one should also ask if indeed those who
[00:05:48] took over the occupation of Palestine did so with the
[00:05:52] right they legally had, that is, the Palestinian
[00:05:55] people were never consulted, the Arab
[00:05:58] countries were not taken into account, all the
[00:06:01] rights of the people of Palestine were violated when it was decided to
[00:06:05] divide Palestine in more than half, giving it to that
[00:06:08] Zionist elite that has illegitimately
[00:06:11] occupied it and that that territory will never
[00:06:15] be the territory of the so-called Israel, it will always be Palestine,
[00:06:18] occupied Palestine.
[00:06:22] So, we are very struck
[00:06:25] by the fact of that
[00:06:28] denialism when they ask us to
[00:06:31] assume the Holocaust. The Holocaust happened with more than 100
[00:06:35] million people in the Second World War, not just
[00:06:39] to one sector of the population. There, Jews
[00:06:43] eh Muslims, eh Christians, homosexuals,
[00:06:47] communists, poor people died, everyone died, but in
[00:06:50] Palestine they are finishing and exterminating a
[00:06:53] specific people. What more proof do they want then
[00:06:57] to eh punish
[00:07:00] Nations, which is the main responsible for what is happening in
[00:07:03] Palestine, which carries the blame on its shoulders, not
[00:07:06] only the responsibility, the legal guilt, the
[00:07:10] guilt. human, that is, the UN is the creator of that
[00:07:14] monster that has occurred at this time, they have not
[00:07:17] assumed real, forceful solutions
[00:07:21] to stop a massacre, which is the shame of
[00:07:26] also, well Daniel, I wanted to ask you
[00:07:30] because after these three years there is an arrest warrant
[00:07:33] issued against Benjamin Netanyahu, but impunity
[00:07:37] unfortunately persists, what credibility does, speaking of
[00:07:41] that precisely, what credibility does the International Criminal
[00:07:44] Court have if it issues precisely these arrest warrants
[00:07:47] against Israeli leaders for genocide, but they face no real consequences?
[00:07:51] Right. Clearly, it's what
[00:07:55] Hindu says perfectly. There is a
[00:07:58] collision between an institutional international order,
[00:08:02] created by white European supremacism especially,
[00:08:06] to avoid new genocides in the white
[00:08:09] European world, but not to commit them in the
[00:08:12] plundering world,
[00:08:16] in the world of the countries of the global south or what
[00:08:19] was formerly called the third world, no? And therefore, we suddenly find
[00:08:23] ourselves with a gigantic collision. Note that the definition of
[00:08:29] convention establishes an intention to destroy
[00:08:33] a national group, an ethnic
[00:08:36] group, eh, or to impose conditions
[00:08:39] of life to destroy. This is what the
[00:08:43] Gaza ghetto has been suffering for decades with the blockade
[00:08:46] in which the colonial Israeli regime counted the calories
[00:08:49] that entered, that in times of peace, but the massacres
[00:08:53] of 2008, 2012, 2014
[00:08:56] were a prologue
[00:08:59] to what we are experiencing at this moment, with the
[00:09:02] absolute extermination of 15 atomic bombs of Hiroshima in the Gaza
[00:09:06] ghetto. So, of course, no human
[00:09:10] being in the history of the planet has
[00:09:13] received more eh kilograms
[00:09:15] of TNT per capita
[00:09:19] in the ratio more than the Palestinian people within the Gaza extermination
[00:09:23] camp. Of course it is an extermination, of course it goes beyond
[00:09:27] genocide itself, it is a complete Palestinian holocaust, it is an
[00:09:30] ecocide, domicide, scholasticide,
[00:09:34] but well, we find ourselves in that
[00:09:38] absolute clash of foundations created to protect the white
[00:09:41] world. and at the moment that part of that white world
[00:09:45] sub-imperial actor such as the colonial Israeli
[00:09:49] regime, the colony of foreigners in Palestine, has been
[00:09:52] singled out because it has carried out these
[00:09:55] acts, suddenly that international order has imploded. It
[00:09:58] was already imploding, notice, you mentioned the International Criminal Court, but we can
[00:10:02] also talk about the International Court of Justice. The International Court of
[00:10:06] Justice is the most important legal body on the planet, it is
[00:10:09] attached to the UN, it is not like the Criminal
[00:10:12] Court, which those who have signed the Rome Statute belong to,
[00:10:16] no. The International Court of Justice is the first to in
[00:10:20] 2024 establish that a plausible
[00:10:22] genocide was taking place. eh which also declared in
[00:10:26] 2024 eh Israel as an apartheid
[00:10:30] regime, which is a crime against humanity, and therefore all the states on the
[00:10:34] planet should have already cut relations, exercised an
[00:10:37] active boycott and sanctions, including not only
[00:10:40] economic, military sanctions
[00:10:43] eh of eh let's say
[00:10:46] attack eh on the neuralgic centers of the Israeli
[00:10:50] regime, what the native forces are doing in
[00:10:53] Lebanon, in Iran, in Yemen, etc., but... that International Court
[00:10:57] of Justice has been buried, not even the Secretary General of the UN, Antonio
[00:11:01] Guterres, has bothered for a single day to remember that there are six
[00:11:05] executive orders from the International Court of Justice to stop this
[00:11:08] genocide. I will conclude now with what you said, the International Criminal
[00:11:12] Court. The International Criminal Court, which the United States is not a signatory to, of course, but
[00:11:15] France, Italy, Greece, for example, are signatories,
[00:11:19] and there is an arrest warrant against Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant,
[00:11:23] as you well said at the beginning, that Minister of War who on October
[00:11:27] 8th declared Palestinians as human animals.
[00:11:30] An arrest warrant against Netanyahu has flown over
[00:11:34] these three countries, at least also, Spain on some occasions,
[00:11:38] during countless occasions that the UN has gone to
[00:11:41] speak, as it did just a few weeks ago with complete impunity, as
[00:11:45] you well said. Therefore, a whole international
[00:11:48] institutionality created for one purpose, the survival
[00:11:51] and sustenance of the
[00:11:53] hegemonic power of the North, is collapsing. From now on,
[00:11:57] another international order will have to be created, rescuing what is
[00:12:00] valid and valuable from the previous one, but creating one for all
[00:12:04] human beings, not just for whites and their
[00:12:07] settler henchmen in Palestine. And well, this is important
[00:12:10] after 3 years, Eduardo, because there is
[00:12:13] silence in the international community and I ask
[00:12:16] you, has this been a form of complicity, proof
[00:12:20] that the multilateral system blocked by the veto is
[00:12:23] obsolete regarding the issue of Palestine?
[00:12:26] Well, I think it is evident eh that we can
[00:12:30] affirm the fact that international law, the organizations
[00:12:33] in charge of defending it have been
[00:12:36] totally buried, and I would say, they have clearly
[00:12:39] died in a historical process, a cycle of
[00:12:43] international law as we knew it ended with the genocide in
[00:12:47] Palestine which evidenced the total incapacity of
[00:12:50] action in which we have, for example, a
[00:12:54] Security Council that is incapable, and
[00:12:57] will be incapable as long as it continues to have the same structure eh that it has today
[00:13:01] to make decisions that truly go in the direction
[00:13:06] we have is a, Morales once said, a council of
[00:13:09] insecurity for the peoples of the south, in which the central
[00:13:12] countries, winners of a war more than
[00:13:16] 70 years ago, today are the ones who pretend to dictate
[00:13:20] eh the norm for the countries of the world according to their interests, that cannot
[00:13:24] be. eh a concept of international law, we see
[00:13:28] institutions that have produced
[00:13:31] dozens of reports, more than enough
[00:13:34] evidence of what is happening in the Palestinian territories, of the
[00:13:39] the clear intentions of ethnic cleansing to be able
[00:13:43] to eh strengthen a colonial process, and yet these institutions are
[00:13:46] totally incapable because they were not designed for that. We know
[00:13:50] that international institutions were
[00:13:52] designed for... a world
[00:13:56] for powers that emerged after the Second World War and in a context in which
[00:14:00] a new multipolar world is emerging. This
[00:14:03] moment what we see is a historical moment in which the one that
[00:14:07] dictates the world order is war, not international
[00:14:10] law. The only thing that has been able to defend the Iranian people from
[00:14:13] an American aggression or an Israeli aggression are weapons.
[00:14:17] The only thing that protects the Yemeni people
[00:14:20] from an imperialist aggression,
[00:14:24] again, are weapons. In other countries they have not been able
[00:14:27] to defend themselves because of the
[00:14:30] aggression that the United States has in search of resources throughout the
[00:14:33] planet, it is still weapons, not international law.
[00:14:37] International law is a word that was written at this moment in dead
[00:14:40] letter in some conventions that no one
[00:14:44] is able to apply. What we are experiencing at this moment is a moment of
[00:14:47] transition in which it will surely be the consecration
[00:14:51] of a new multipolar order in which they will have to negotiate.
[00:14:55] China, Russia will have to negotiate, without a doubt the United
[00:14:58] States, to give light to a new
[00:15:02] context in which we could begin to think about
[00:15:05] international law, but it is more than clear that the international law we had conceived until
[00:15:09] now is buried, it is dead, it is totally incapable of acting at a
[00:15:13] time when it is war that is dictating the correlation of forces between
[00:15:17] great powers and unfortunately it is the Palestinian
[00:15:20] people, one of the main eh, the
[00:15:23] main victim who is experiencing
[00:15:25] this death of international law and of course the role and role
[00:15:29] that not only the region
[00:15:31] there eh in Palestine, but also the
[00:15:35] countries of West Asia, but also throughout
[00:15:38] the world eh what the struggle of the Palestinians
[00:15:41] also means for the Latin American continent and what it represents because
[00:15:45] we have seen during all these last days also
[00:15:48] mobilizations for the Palestinian cause, this we will discuss
[00:15:52] later, short break text and context today talking 3 years
[00:15:55] of the genocide and the aggressive resurgence of
[00:15:59] Israel against the Gaza Strip,
[00:16:01] we'll be right back.
[00:16:31] Among countries, those with better climate, more arable
[00:16:34] land, more water, more
[00:16:37] natural resources in the space they happened to live in, when there
[00:16:41] are no more territories to conquer, those who dominate
[00:16:44] technologies, those who possess more development and
[00:16:48] manage infinite media resources, and those who,
[00:16:51] on the contrary, do not enjoy any of these
[00:16:54] prerogatives, are the sometimes abysmal
[00:16:57] differences between what are classified as rich or
[00:17:03] the jungle. Fidel Castro, October
[00:17:06] 11, 2008 taken from the reflection the law of the jungle.
[00:17:42] Thank you for following us on text and context three years after the
[00:17:45] beginning of the aggression of genocide against the Palestinian
[00:17:50] by Indu Anderi, a journalist from the studio, Daniel Lovato, an international
[00:17:54] political analyst, and in the distance also Eduardo Menés, a political scientist specialized
[00:17:58] in geopolitics and the Middle East. Indu,
[00:18:02] what we have commented on is important,
[00:18:05] but above all the importance of international
[00:18:08] mobilization. We have seen in recent days, not only here in
[00:18:12] Venezuela, but also in other Latin American countries, how, despite
[00:18:15] three years, the voice is multiplying. Despite the veto
[00:18:19] on social networks, in any area, a large number of people,
[00:18:22] journalists, artists, etc., have been vetoed, but nevertheless
[00:18:25] the Palestinian cause remains alive among the peoples,
[00:18:29] especially in Latin America. How are you seeing this movement? The Palestinian
[00:18:32] cause has been vetoed, even the genocide has been vetoed, that
[00:18:35] is, the less we talk about it, the
[00:18:39] better. That is also part of international
[00:18:42] complicity that
[00:18:46] tolerates, for example, coups d'état, kidnappings
[00:18:49] of presidents, bombings, etc., but that
[00:18:52] maintains silence in the face of what is happening. However,
[00:18:56] as you rightly say, there is a mobilization, there is an awareness.
[00:18:59] Look, Palestine is the center of the
[00:19:03] violation of all known human rights, but also
[00:19:06] Palestine has meant the awakening of peoples.
[00:19:10] I believe that Palestine has even awakened the
[00:19:13] concerns and rights of the peoples that we see in the streets
[00:19:17] in Europe today. I believe that Palestine has also meant for
[00:19:20] the United States a way of rising up from that
[00:19:24] dictatorship, from that tyranny they have in that space. That
[00:19:28] is, Palestine is a cause for humanity, because humanity is the cause of Palestine.
[00:19:31] Of course, now Daniel, eh, well, let's talk a little
[00:19:36] the measures. the sanctions. I want to ask you especially
[00:19:39] about Europe, because some European governments that present
[00:19:43] themselves as defenders of human rights, took 3 years to consider,
[00:19:46] for example, restricting trade in Israeli settlements. An interesting
[00:19:50] fact is that this only happened after electoral
[00:19:53] pressure forced them to do so. Francesca
[00:19:57] Albanese herself, UN rapporteur, pointed out that these measures
[00:20:00] by some governments come very late and do not have much
[00:20:03] scope regarding the scenario, how do you see that issue?
[00:20:08] They are measures from 50 years ago, they are 50 years
[00:20:12] late. It has been more than 50 years since the Israeli regime invaded
[00:20:16] also the West Bank and kept the Gaza
[00:20:19] ghetto under occupation.
[00:20:21] Let's say that Europe, the collective West is desperate to sustain its
[00:20:25] colony, given that the colony in Palestine, that colony of
[00:20:28] foreigners, is the epicenter of the mechanism of
[00:20:32] subordination of all West Asia called the Middle East, for
[00:20:35] oil, gas. The passage routes, Suez Canal, Red
[00:20:39] Sea, Bab el-Mandeb, Strait of Hormuz, we see
[00:20:42] today what it means. Palestine has
[00:20:45] exposed the entire mechanism of domination, not only in West
[00:20:48] Asia, but also in the rest. This of involved countries, the
[00:20:52] Western metropolis, all of collective
[00:20:56] the colony, in turn the mechanisms of domination
[00:20:59] against many other countries of the global south that have had
[00:21:03] representatives imposed even by the electoral
[00:21:07] manipulation of Israeli companies to make a
[00:21:10] fierce defense of Zionism. So what we have to be clear about here is that the peoples are the
[00:21:14] ones who push, and as you said earlier, we are
[00:21:17] rescuing eh some... some values,
[00:21:20] some ideas that were dormant for 50 years.
[00:21:26] who is the representative of an oppressed people,
[00:21:30] those who fight against that oppression, as in
[00:21:34] Vietnam, the representative of the Vietnamese people was the
[00:21:37] Viet Cong, North Vietnam, as
[00:21:40] in, let's say, in Nicaragua against Somoza it was the
[00:21:44] Sandinista Front. Here, the representative of the Palestinian
[00:21:48] people are the resistance forces that fight against oppression.
[00:21:52] That's first of all, we have to identify who
[00:21:55] is the representative of the Palestinian people, and second
[00:21:58] of all, to say loud and clear that
[00:22:02] the legitimate right to armed struggle must
[00:22:05] be supported, because it is even stated in international
[00:22:09] law, UN Resolution 30/70, all the
[00:22:11] peoples of the world must give their support to those peoples who fight against
[00:22:15] colonial domination, therefore we must actively,
[00:22:18] verbally...
[00:22:22] Palestinian resistance forces and finally also not be afraid
[00:22:25] to declare that the colonial regime has no right to
[00:22:29] exist. States in themselves do not have an inherent
[00:22:32] right to exist, the Austro-Hungarian Empire did not have it, unified
[00:22:36] Yugoslavia did not have it, there is no intrinsic right, but furthermore
[00:22:40] artificial states created by the force of
[00:22:43] invaders, even
[00:22:46] South Africa, Rhodesia, etc. Therefore, we must...
[00:22:50] fight for the disappearance of the Israeli
[00:22:52] regime as soon as possible. Yes, you mentioned that armed
[00:22:56] struggle and I ask you, Eduardo, precisely
[00:23:00] about the role that countries in West Asia are playing in this
[00:23:03] scenario, because obviously it's not only Palestine, we have also
[00:23:06] seen what is happening in Lebanon and what is also happening in Yemen,
[00:23:10] which in some way is related to all this Western
[00:23:13] aggression, the role they are playing and the balance
[00:23:17] precisely of these movements and the armed struggle in that part of the world
[00:23:20] 3 years after the beginning of these aggressions.
[00:23:24] Well, I think it's fundamental to say, as we said a moment ago,
[00:23:27] that at a time when international law has disappeared and only
[00:23:31] the unfortunately armed capacity to defend sovereignty
[00:23:34] remains, countries like Iran or Yemen are
[00:23:37] demonstrating that today there are two fundamental axes that can
[00:23:41] be eh used by the countries of the south to
[00:23:44] defend the right of peoples to self-determination, to define their
[00:23:48] horizon beyond the imperialist interests that want to impose
[00:23:52] themselves. The first has to do with the fact that the war
[00:23:55] eh that has broken out in West Asia
[00:23:59] shows that it is totally possible to carry out a
[00:24:03] defense with asymmetric warfare. We have seen countries like Iran or
[00:24:07] Yemen develop a whole military industry that has an
[00:24:10] extremely low cost in comparison to the military
[00:24:13] expenses of a private American industry that has a whole
[00:24:17] inertia that has been going on for decades, but above all profits from
[00:24:20] death, that is, it is a military war, but will continue to implement
[00:24:24] war in every corner of the world, making money, and it is very expensive.
[00:24:28] In reality, it is a private industry that is extremely expensive
[00:24:31] against strategies like those of Iran and Yemen that have shown that
[00:24:35] there is an asymmetry when this war is a, uh, when this
[00:24:39] military industry, let's say, is an industry that is made to defend sovereignty,
[00:24:43] but on the other hand, they have shown that when the United States is
[00:24:46] looking to intervene in a country, it is to intervene because of natural
[00:24:50] resources, and at the same time, that is the double face of what is at stake,
[00:24:54] since when Iran or Yemen manage to
[00:24:56] retain these natural resources and defend their sovereignty,
[00:25:00] they put the empire
[00:25:03] has been shown with the Strait of Hormuz, with the Strait of Bab el-Mandeb, in
[00:25:07] which the United States has shown its economic
[00:25:10] Achilles' heel, since without these resources, the
[00:25:13] American imperialist accumulation regime cannot survive, and that
[00:25:17] is what Yemen is showing, the example, for example, to the
[00:25:21] whole world that there are ways to resist this American
[00:25:25] imperialism, and I think they are an example for the rest of the countries that are
[00:25:28] threatened by this.
[00:25:30] Indu, uh, well, we continue to witness a televised genocide, of course.
[00:25:34] Uh, they live under an impressive
[00:25:37] siege. Families,
[00:25:40] women and children, childhood, is mainly the
[00:25:44] most degrading fact of what this
[00:25:47] tragedy has been in the Gaza Strip. How will the Gaza Strip
[00:25:50] be remembered in history?
[00:25:53] Oh, that's a terrible question, right?
[00:25:56] Because uh, what is happening in
[00:25:59] Palestine, in Gaza, specifically, is the
[00:26:02] condemnation of an entire generation to be mutilated. We are
[00:26:06] seeing piles of mutilated children without arms, without
[00:26:10] legs. I don't believe in these statistics of 70,000.
[00:26:13] No, no, I'm not convinced by those statistics, because those
[00:26:17] statistics are limited to health
[00:26:20] care centers, they are limited to official
[00:26:23] figures, let's say, they are not really scientific, because
[00:26:27] most of the Palestinians killed were left
[00:26:30] under the rubble, in
[00:26:33] between cement and iron, and besides
[00:26:36] that, there is even talk of
[00:26:40] diffused weapons, weapons of destruction that we don't
[00:26:44] know. That is to say, if we talk about there being
[00:26:47] 2.5 million people in Gaza on October 7,
[00:26:50] 2023, and that explosives have been used for at least
[00:26:54] four atomic bombs,
[00:26:58] destruction of more than 90% of the
[00:27:01] infrastructure of Gaza. And we have seen how
[00:27:04] patients with chronic
[00:27:06] diseases have died, we have to be
[00:27:10] talking about a figure of at least one million people
[00:27:13] killed as a result of this
[00:27:15] barbarism that Israel has not been committing since now, that it has
[00:27:19] been committing for more than 78 years, and that in 1982
[00:27:23] Israel used forbidden weapons of destruction
[00:27:27] such as the phosphorus bomb against the population of
[00:27:30] Lebanon, that has been happening forever in these 78
[00:27:34] years, Palestine has been the great victim of that
[00:27:37] macabre experiment called Israel there in this
[00:27:41] in this area that is simply the
[00:27:44] possibility that that hegemon that emerged
[00:27:47] in 1945 with the two atomic bombs has
[00:27:51] to also maintain that space subjugated to its
[00:27:56] remember this stage? With a lot of shame, with a lot of shame for the
[00:28:00] inaction of those who could have stopped that
[00:28:03] tragedy and for the silence and complicity of those who could have also
[00:28:07] pressured, I don't know, someone said, "It doesn't just move me,
[00:28:10] it frightens me what the
[00:28:13] bad guys don't do, but what
[00:28:16] the bad guys do, but what the good guys keep silent about."
[00:28:20] Well, that's how we're going to remember this terrible stage in the
[00:28:24] history of inhumanity. Very attentive then to this whole scenario and well,
[00:28:27] the debate is still pending 3 years precisely. of this
[00:28:31] genocide against the Gaza Strip and which, well, has directly had
[00:28:37] international community, but what do you also think about this
[00:28:40] issue? I also remind you that on Telegram, our
[00:28:44] informative service so that through @telesurtv you
[00:28:48] can also give your opinion on this and other topics here, text and
[00:28:51] context. Unfortunately, my time is running out, Indu, thank you very much
[00:28:54] for attending, also Daniel, also to
[00:28:57] Eduardo from a distance, thank you for your time. I remind you,
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[00:29:34] In 1987, Colombia, Jaime
[00:29:38] Pardo, a lawyer and politician recognized for his role as leader
[00:29:41] of the Patriotic Union Political Party, was assassinated, a martyr in the
[00:29:44] struggle for social justice. His career was marked by the
[00:29:48] defense of workers and the search for a democratic solution
[00:29:52] in the midst of the political violence that was plaguing the country. What
[00:29:56] is life worth if when you have it, it seems dead? Life
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[00:30:03] vibrating. That justifies our passage on
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[00:30:07] Pardo. October 11,
[00:30:11] 1987, Jaime Pardo is assassinated.
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