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[00:00:01] France, Netherlands, Chile, Argentina and the
[00:00:05] autonomous region of Catalonia. The
[00:00:08] activities take place in squares, alleys and
[00:00:11] public open-air spaces with monumental shows
[00:00:15] that amaze the
[00:00:17] following class hundreds of attendees who come to this event to
[00:00:21] natural resources of enjoy physical theater, acrobatic dances
[00:00:24] States needs and urban interventions.
[00:00:27] Well, I think it's also a way, I mean, to. to be able
[00:00:30] to bring
[00:00:33] the left, so popular the arts, well, in this case, talking about dance,
[00:00:36] make it accessible to many people, well, because the fact of the
[00:00:39] venue, of the theater, of the closed space, well, it just
[00:00:43] implies money, but perhaps a knowledge
[00:00:47] of who is coming or what
[00:00:50] finally, the majority of it is, perhaps that's what leads you to go, right? And this way,
[00:00:52] well, you're passing by, you know that there will be something because there are fireworks
[00:00:56] or there's an enormous crane in the street that makes you say, well.
[00:01:00] Let's see, the 23rd International Street Theater Festival
[00:01:03] of Zacatecas
[00:01:06] to develop until October 17th,
[00:01:09] turning the city these days into a wide
[00:01:13] stage for performing arts and the
[00:01:16] exchange with other cultures
[00:01:17] and
[00:01:24] development we are now finishing our culture segment
[00:01:28] in global connection. I'll be back with you guys. Hey, how
[00:01:32] beautiful, spectacular, yes, I loved that
[00:01:35] "guys."
[00:01:38] He was referring to the news. Thanks, don't
[00:01:40] fight, no, see you next time, thanks, bye.
[00:02:03] banks and especially for
[00:02:33] who accompany us and to Hello, this is Jorge
[00:02:36] Gestoso. In today's program,
[00:02:39] Brazil faces the
[00:02:40] prohibition of second electoral round with another notable
[00:02:44] guest, João Pedro Stédile,
[00:02:47] international analyst
[00:02:49] directly from Sao Paulo. João Pedro
[00:02:53] Stédile, a warm welcome to the program,
[00:02:56] thank you very much for the invitation, it is an enormous
[00:03:00] pleasure to be here with you and with all those who join
[00:03:03] us at home or through social networks, João Pedro,
[00:03:07] how do you interpret the result of this first
[00:03:10] electoral round in Brazil? Well, I believe
[00:03:14] and we have made several collective
[00:03:17] evaluations in our movement, in the popular
[00:03:20] movements, in the left-wing
[00:03:24] I have not come here as a prophet of parties, the results are dubious, I think
[00:03:27] it would be a kind of tie
[00:03:30] in terms of voting, because a
[00:03:33] 2% difference is not relevant
[00:03:37] for such a large universe, even more so in our country,
[00:03:40] and why do we say that
[00:03:43] apocalyptic, the sound of there was a tie? Because if it is true that
[00:03:46] language, of arrogance, on we lost those 2%,
[00:03:49] but it is also true that in the entire
[00:03:52] Northeast region we have elected
[00:03:56] progressive governors, the same bench of...
[00:04:00] parliamentarians from the PT and the PES
[00:04:02] increased, but however, we
[00:04:06] were left with a bitter taste in our
[00:04:09] to re-elect Lula, what mouths, because there was an expectation among the
[00:04:12] militancy that we were going to
[00:04:15] overcome, not win in the first round, but overcome
[00:04:19] Bolsonaro, so from the point of
[00:04:22] view of motivation, of course, there was a
[00:04:26] defeat that affected the disposition of
[00:04:29] the... vivitantes in the first hours after
[00:04:33] the results were published, you have said
[00:04:36] and I quote your words, an
[00:04:40] eventual victory for Flavio Bolsonaro
[00:04:43] would mean the re-edition of the
[00:04:47] Because it is the nature of fascist government
[00:04:49] totally allied with Donald Trump, and how is
[00:04:53] it justified then that he got so
[00:04:56] many votes? Well, there are many reasons that can explain
[00:05:01] this result, let's say, political
[00:05:04] electoral. First, there is a general crisis
[00:05:08] of capitalism in all the West here
[00:05:11] in Brazil. also that affected the living conditions
[00:05:15] of the population and that influences the
[00:05:18] behavior of people, but in general
[00:05:22] terms, for those of you who do not live in Brazil and follow
[00:05:25] us, we had the
[00:05:29] behavior: the Brazilian bourgeoisie is
[00:05:32] divided, one part is with Lula
[00:05:36] and a small part, rather the financial capital, the
[00:05:38] transnationals eh eh.
[00:05:43] Americans are with Bolsonaro, then there is
[00:05:46] a small bourgeoisie that a part of it that
[00:05:50] lives in the interior of the country influenced by
[00:05:53] the hegemony of agribusiness,
[00:05:56] mostly voted for
[00:05:59] Bolsonaro, and
[00:06:02] the population, which is the working
[00:06:05] class, is also
[00:06:07] divided, a poorer part voted for
[00:06:11] Lula, but there is... there is a part of the working
[00:06:14] class that is already well-off, let's say
[00:06:17] so, that is
[00:06:20] co-opted by the neoliberal ideology of
[00:06:23] entrepreneurship and I don't know what, so
[00:06:27] these people believe that
[00:06:30] they improved their lives because of their merits and not because of the
[00:06:33] advances that occurred in the
[00:06:37] of society, and it also explains
[00:06:40] why half of the working class
[00:06:43] voted for Bolsonaro, because there is a very great
[00:06:47] fragility of work, half of the Brazilian
[00:06:50] working class lives in informality, so
[00:06:54] that removes the bonds of
[00:06:57] sociability, that removes the collective
[00:07:00] bonds, it removes the traditional forms of organization
[00:07:03] of the working class, such as the
[00:07:06] union, the party, associations,
[00:07:09] etc., it is also true. as a
[00:07:12] self-criticism, that the Lula government, faced with
[00:07:16] that more general situation, did not
[00:07:18] know how to advance further in
[00:07:22] structural changes in the 4 years, of course, he
[00:07:25] had to face a congress that was mostly
[00:07:29] right-wing, he had to face a very
[00:07:32] reactionary press, but that is not
[00:07:36] all that can explain that the government did
[00:07:40] not have the courage to advance a little
[00:07:43] further, now in the final stretch of the
[00:07:47] campaign, it was that it took some initiatives that did impact
[00:07:50] people, such as the
[00:07:53] betting by Bet which dominates
[00:07:57] football, it
[00:08:00] has already taken a lot of money from the poorest, also
[00:08:03] you, regarding the issue of the economy, you have
[00:08:06] said, the life of the people changed very
[00:08:10] little, even recognizing
[00:08:13] positive indicators of the Brazilian economy, did that play
[00:08:17] any role? Yes, as I said,
[00:08:20] eh, the working class is suffering a lot,
[00:08:23] half of them are in informality, that is,
[00:08:26] Lula's public policies, although
[00:08:30] good, did not reach
[00:08:33] everyone, and so people realized
[00:08:36] that they cannot depend on the
[00:08:39] government, and at first,
[00:08:44] eh, Lula's discourse was very
[00:08:47] retroactive, very much about the past, the first two
[00:08:51] governments were good, I have a biography, all
[00:08:54] that's fine, but people want to talk about
[00:08:57] the future, so the campaign took time to
[00:09:01] realize that it had to change the way it
[00:09:05] talked to people, instead of talking about the past,
[00:09:08] talking about the future, precisely you and precisely. You
[00:09:12] have said in a sentence that is exactly what
[00:09:16] you are affirming, that it is not enough
[00:09:21] is needed is to build a country project,
[00:09:25] that is what we defended that
[00:09:28] explains the economic
[00:09:31] crisis of capitalism in
[00:09:35] all the continent and with that political stability has been generated,
[00:09:39] you follow, you have talked with...
[00:09:42] so many people you perceive, governments
[00:09:45] change, but the situation does not change, even
[00:09:48] with left-wing governments or centrist governments or
[00:09:52] progressive governments, but no, there
[00:09:56] were no changes, why?
[00:09:59] the crisis, no, that some philosophers, friends
[00:10:03] like Leonardo Boff say that it is even a civilizational
[00:10:07] crisis, that attacks the values of
[00:10:10] humanity, right? So in the face of this general
[00:10:14] crisis, the left and the popular
[00:10:18] movements, the churches,
[00:10:20] we must discuss a country project and
[00:10:24] gather forces around that country project
[00:10:27] as long as in our country we do not have that
[00:10:31] project that can encourage people to gather forces and
[00:10:35] indicate where we are going for the next 10, 20, 30
[00:10:38] years, the political situation will remain
[00:10:42] stable, because in reality people are not
[00:10:45] debating future projects, no,
[00:10:49] so for them they can vote
[00:10:53] for whoever gives them. What do you think will happen
[00:10:57] regarding the role that alliances will play from
[00:11:00] now to precisely the second round? Because
[00:11:04] some right-wing people have already started saying that they will
[00:11:08] support Bolsonaro, yes,
[00:11:11] Bolsonaro has already managed to get those right-wing
[00:11:14] parties that disputed with him, but who did not
[00:11:18] become viable as an electoral alternative,
[00:11:21] no, what would be the classic right,
[00:11:25] he is moving to get the votes of those
[00:11:28] people, but the votes are not
[00:11:32] from the candidates, people voted because they didn't want either Lula or
[00:11:35] Bolsonaro, so the natural tendency of those people is
[00:11:39] to vote blank, then Bolsonaro will not expand,
[00:11:43] we have that reading, Bolsonaro
[00:11:46] is very difficult to expand more votes than the
[00:11:49] 56 million he already obtained,
[00:11:53] however, we do. We have to do
[00:11:57] a good job to
[00:11:59] increase the vote, increase the
[00:12:02] votes a lot, and that Lula's alliance is not
[00:12:06] to look for what parties or what leaders, Lula's alliance
[00:12:10] now has to be in 15 days
[00:12:13] to expand his influence among the
[00:12:17] working people and the statistics
[00:12:20] showed that Lula lost
[00:12:23] votes throughout the country in relation to the
[00:12:27] 2022 vote,
[00:12:30] so throughout the country, if we move a
[00:12:33] little, we manage to recover votes from people
[00:12:36] who already voted for Lula and who therefore are not right-wing
[00:12:40] people, second, in the working
[00:12:43] class that I mentioned before, the main
[00:12:46] challenge is to convince that part of the
[00:12:50] working class that is more
[00:12:53] well-off, that has a good salary
[00:12:57] and is influenced by their meritocracy,
[00:13:00] and finally we must
[00:13:03] broaden the dialogue with a sector that is what will
[00:13:07] decide the elections, which are working women
[00:13:10] who live in the periphery of large
[00:13:14] cities, this woman has no political
[00:13:17] training, but she
[00:13:19] decides the voting situation
[00:13:22] and in the first round, most
[00:13:26] of them did not vote or voted blank,
[00:13:29] etc., and finally we must seek
[00:13:33] to dialogue with youth, especially
[00:13:37] those who made their electoral title for the first time
[00:13:40] who are 16 to 18
[00:13:43] years old, most of them are sympathetic to the
[00:13:47] left, but it did not motivate them to vote for some
[00:13:51] reason, because they are interested in the type of
[00:13:54] politics that it is. of these things, so
[00:13:57] we have to seek an alliance, if you want
[00:14:01] to use your term with these sectors, and
[00:14:05] that is what we are planning, to seek
[00:14:09] to dialogue with these people, somehow
[00:14:12] visit them at their homes where they work, in
[00:14:15] schools so that they realize
[00:14:18] the danger that Bolsonaro's election
[00:14:21] would be as an expression of the... extreme
[00:14:25] right-wing fascist in Brazil. João Pedro, I invite you to
[00:14:29] take a short break. We are talking with
[00:14:32] João Pedro Stedile, directly from
[00:14:35] Guaranema, on the outskirts of Sao Paulo. We are
[00:14:39] talking precisely about Brazil before the second
[00:14:42] electoral round. Roupedro is an international
[00:14:46] analyst. We'll
[00:14:48] be right back.
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[00:17:23] We continue talking with João Pedro Stedile
[00:17:26] directly from the outskirts of Sao Pablo,
[00:17:29] we are talking about Brazil before the second electoral
[00:17:33] round. He is an international analyst.
[00:17:38] and you have said, regarding the interference
[00:17:41] issue, you say that
[00:17:45] Washington seeks to recompose its
[00:17:48] regional influence, that the
[00:17:51] government of President Trump is
[00:17:54] trying to ensure control over Latin
[00:17:57] America. For his part, Lula
[00:17:59] says,
[00:18:02] he said in July that the United States is going to
[00:18:05] try to interfere here trying to
[00:18:09] help the other side win the elections.
[00:18:13] Tell us what the panorama is like heading into
[00:18:16] this second round. Look, about the
[00:18:19] influence of the United States,
[00:18:23] I believe in the movements that there
[00:18:27] was no personal interference by Trump,
[00:18:31] especially since as he has that
[00:18:34] image of an imperial demon. if
[00:18:37] he spoke out publicly it would take votes from
[00:18:40] Bolsonaro and for us it would
[00:18:43] help us, like when he imposed tariffs
[00:18:46] against Brazilian products, that helped
[00:18:50] Lula and unmasked
[00:18:52] Bolsonaro who was allied with someone who imposes
[00:18:56] restrictions on our economy and thousands
[00:18:59] of jobs were lost because of that
[00:19:02] Trump foolishness, but
[00:19:05] even as a denunciation. for Latin America that follows
[00:19:09] us, the way the United
[00:19:12] States got involved here in the elections was
[00:19:16] through its far-right
[00:19:19] articulation, where there are operators who are
[00:19:23] inside the government, but they are outside the Trump
[00:19:26] government, who are in Spain, or like
[00:19:30] this gentleman who was imprisoned in Bolivia who was the
[00:19:32] coordinator, no, they then set up
[00:19:36] with powerful. their computers, some
[00:19:40] say they are in Chile, others that they are in Bolivia
[00:19:43] or that they are in Ireland or that they are in
[00:19:46] Israel, and those computers then
[00:19:49] helped Bolsonaro's campaign
[00:19:53] for massive sendings of multitudinous
[00:19:56] messages with a lot of money, it even
[00:19:59] came out in the public press, it is not
[00:20:02] a secret to anyone
[00:20:06] so that you and your audience
[00:20:08] have an idea, the public funds that finance
[00:20:12] here by Brazilian law the
[00:20:15] candidacies, Bolsonaro and
[00:20:17] Lula had the right to use
[00:20:21] around 14 million
[00:20:24] dollars for the campaign, each of them,
[00:20:28] however, only Bolsonaro spent on the
[00:20:31] Meta company, using Facebook,
[00:20:35] Instagram, etc., he spent
[00:20:38] 40 million dollars, where did that
[00:20:42] 40 million come from? Surely from those friends of the far-right
[00:20:46] articulation that circulates between Spain.
[00:20:50] between the United States that meeting even that Trump
[00:20:54] sponsored of the so-called Shield of the Americas, which is in
[00:20:58] reality a great fascist articulation
[00:21:02] that has as its goal
[00:21:04] to ensure that the United States has
[00:21:07] access to the
[00:21:11] Latin America, the United
[00:21:14] Latin America's resources to
[00:21:17] face the war that it has
[00:21:21] with China, so where is it going to look for oil, iron
[00:21:24] ore, bauxite, no,
[00:21:27] even other riches we have
[00:21:30] here, rare minerals
[00:21:34] that are under the control of transnational companies,
[00:21:38] so what is at stake for Washington is
[00:21:41] that, it is how to guarantee subordinate
[00:21:45] governments that agree to hand over the
[00:21:48] natural resources to American
[00:21:52] companies, what future would Latin American
[00:21:55] integration have no matter who
[00:21:58] wins between the two? Well, eh, if Bolsonaro
[00:22:01] wins, my God, he will only do what the
[00:22:05] Shield of the Americas wants, so he will
[00:22:08] open Petrobras will
[00:22:10] be privatized, which is the state oil company, he will
[00:22:14] open up the critical minerals that we have
[00:22:17] many reserves here in Brazil for
[00:22:20] gringo, Australian, and
[00:22:23] European companies, he will open
[00:22:26] more space for the currency,
[00:22:29] the dollar, and probably, as Trump requested,
[00:22:33] there would be a confrontation to that
[00:22:37] payment system that we have public from the Central Bank called
[00:22:40] Pix. Trump wants to eliminate the Pix, because
[00:22:44] that removed the possibility of profit
[00:22:47] posibilidad de ganancia.
[00:22:50] for American
[00:22:53] Mastercard and for Visa, so
[00:22:57] as a legitimate representative of that imperialist
[00:23:01] gringo bourgeoisie, he wants to prevent the advance of
[00:23:05] Pix and all that would happen with
[00:23:07] Bolsonaro and if Lula wins, it's the
[00:23:10] opposite, we will strengthen CELAC and we will
[00:23:13] strengthen UNASUR, we will strengthen the
[00:23:16] multilateral mechanisms as always.
[00:23:20] eh, Lula has defended, strengthen the BRICS as an
[00:23:24] articulation, while Bolsonaro has already announced, if
[00:23:27] he wins, Brazil will leave the BRICS, and the BRICS
[00:23:31] would then become an
[00:23:33] articulation only of Asia and Africa, which
[00:23:37] weakens it a lot, this in relation to foreign
[00:23:40] policy, to domestic policy,
[00:23:43] of course, Bolsonaro will use fascist
[00:23:47] methods for the control of power, fascist
[00:23:50] methods mean violence, violence means
[00:23:53] transforming adversaries into enemies
[00:23:57] and trying to eliminate enemies,
[00:24:00] eliminate them morally, with fake
[00:24:02] news, no, with lawfare, like
[00:24:05] they did with Rafael Correa, like they did with
[00:24:08] Dilma, or eliminate them physically, as here in
[00:24:12] Brazil some popular leaders were
[00:24:14] assassinated in the other government, like
[00:24:18] Marivel lived, so we would have
[00:24:22] very dark times for the political
[00:24:25] struggle in Brazil, but I tell you that
[00:24:28] I and the popular movements are
[00:24:31] optimistic and believe that we can turn
[00:24:34] it around and win the elections on October 25th,
[00:24:38] so what role do you think these
[00:24:41] social movements can play in the second
[00:24:44] round? It's a war, a war.
[00:24:48] We are deciding the possibility
[00:24:50] of the future or 10 years of far-right
[00:24:54] here as it was in the past with military
[00:24:57] dictatorships or with ultra-right
[00:25:00] governments, so the popular movements are taking advantage of these
[00:25:04] days, which are for reflection, preparation, and
[00:25:07] from now until the 25th
[00:25:10] we will go to the streets and to social
[00:25:14] networks to talk to people,
[00:25:17] propose concrete proposals
[00:25:21] that solve people's problems,
[00:25:24] denounce everything that Bolsonaro's candidacy
[00:25:27] means, his alliances, and
[00:25:30] subordination with the gringos, no,
[00:25:34] and his fascist ideas, and at the same
[00:25:37] time, eh, point out that we have to
[00:25:40] build a country project, for that we have
[00:25:44] to generate a lot of popular
[00:25:47] mobilization in the coming days to create
[00:25:50] enthusiasm to get
[00:25:53] out of that lethargy that we had in the first
[00:25:56] two days and I'll give you the good news today
[00:26:00] precisely, the youth
[00:26:04] has made several very important
[00:26:07] mobilizations in some capitals of the country like
[00:26:10] Recife, Rio de Janeiro and
[00:26:14] other capitals, so it is perceived that a
[00:26:17] red wave has already begun
[00:26:21] propelled by students, that can
[00:26:24] change the feeling of the people, because
[00:26:27] one of the roles of fascism is to instill fear. not let
[00:26:31] people have the courage to vote for
[00:26:35] mobilization, many people in the streets, will also remove
[00:26:39] the fear of the poorest. Finally,
[00:26:42] then, Jopedro, what is at stake for
[00:26:45] Latin America this upcoming
[00:26:49] October 25th, the day of the second round in
[00:26:52] Brazil? Of course, we like to say it,
[00:26:55] but Brazil is the largest country in territory
[00:26:59] and economy. in
[00:27:02] population, old Nixon used
[00:27:06] to say that, where Brazil goes,
[00:27:09] all of South America will go,
[00:27:13] so we have a very great
[00:27:16] responsibility, because if the far-right wins
[00:27:19] here, it means that in terms of
[00:27:22] world geopolitics, the United States
[00:27:25] would have absolute control, only Mexico
[00:27:28] would remain over Latin America and that.
[00:27:32] would give it more strength and more access to natural
[00:27:35] resources to confront China
[00:27:38] and to confront even Europe and
[00:27:42] Russia, so our election
[00:27:45] will have a very significant weight in
[00:27:48] international geopolitics and for
[00:27:51] us, of course, we need to win with
[00:27:54] Lula, but no way, as the Mexicans say, if
[00:27:58] we lose, we will lose with our heads held high,
[00:28:02] not by many votes and we will continue fighting,
[00:28:05] because we learned with old Mujica, only he
[00:28:09] who does not fight does not win, and we will continue fighting.
[00:28:13] Joan Pedro Stedile, thank you very much for having been with
[00:28:17] us, thank you for this space,
[00:28:20] congratulations and a big greeting to all Telesur
[00:28:23] and its team for that resistance
[00:28:27] to continue sending good correct
[00:28:30] information for all of Latin America, a big hug to all
[00:28:35] you personally.
[00:28:52] The Venezuelan people assume their leading role at the polls this
[00:28:56] October 18. They directly choose among more than
[00:28:59] 37 projects, those that should be implemented
[00:29:03] in their communities to optimize the collective quality of life,
[00:29:07] an electoral process that consolidates participatory democracy,
[00:29:11] learn the most relevant details of this day through
[00:29:14] our multiplatform. Venezuela, popular consultation
[00:29:18] 2026, only on
[00:29:21] Telesur.
[00:29:26] revolution, I have not come to ask or wish for the world
[00:29:30] to violently convulse, we have come to speak of peace and
[00:29:33] collaboration among peoples and we have come to warn
[00:29:36] that if we do not peacefully and wisely resolve the
[00:29:40] current injustices and inequalities, the future will be
[00:29:45] weapons, of threatening
[00:29:49] the international scene must cease. Fidel
[00:29:52] Castro. October 12, 1979,
[00:29:55] speech delivered in his capacity as president of the Non-Aligned
[00:29:59] Movement at the 34th session
[00:30:02] of the United Nations General Assembly, New York, United States.
[00:30:50] We are starting another broadcast of economic impact through the Telesur signal,
[00:30:54] also starting another week with great pleasure to be able to accompany you, my name is Daniel Ross, on behalf of
[00:30:58] this great team, welcome.