TELESUR — broadcast 20261102 163000 UTC 497 transcript segments Google Cloud Speech-to-Text API (Chirp) + Gemini 2.5 Flash Non-Thinking Data courtesy of The GDELT Project (https://www.gdeltproject.org/), from the Internet Archive TV News Archive. Machine transcription. Treat it as a searchable index of what was broadcast, not a verbatim quotation record. [00:00:00] years since I was born to remember [00:00:04] the deceased, my grandparents most of all, thanks to [00:00:07] God, they are my grandparents and we have always [00:00:11] come to remember. This time it's my mother-in-law [00:00:14] here in the niche, in the little flames of my mother-in-law Juana [00:00:18] Quispe and recently, 4 years ago, my father-in-law [00:00:21] passed away, Modesto Lucana. And we [00:00:24] always remember them, we always come here and we [00:00:27] make the tantahuas. [00:00:30] As if to say that my father-in-law is [00:00:33] a little bit of water, the other [00:00:35] works, now the little tantahua of my [00:00:37] fall of the Berlin Wall and the mother-in-law, of everyone, the horses so that [00:00:40] they come in that, and the stairs for them to [00:00:44] important part, control of go down, and many things are missing here, but it's what [00:00:47] one can do right now, no, all the [00:00:50] food is shared with the people who come to pray, yes, it's like [00:00:54] if right now I'm going to give to the gentleman who prayed for me, I'm going [00:00:59] modest conditions in which to give him this, it's as if he was making me pray and he's going to leave loaded, no [00:01:03] right now on the horses, on the stairs everything [00:01:06] will be loaded with all that we are making of salt, very good, [00:01:11] Montesquieu was, against which well, give it to him so that we can show the people who watch [00:01:15] example, the finances of Telesur, this is the ceremony that is [00:01:18] Espinel, who is imprisoned in repeated, I insist in the [00:01:21] cemeteries, the food that they brought from [00:01:24] home where a table was also made with the best [00:01:28] food with the best fruits. with the drinks that the [00:01:32] person who passed away [00:01:36] functions, that is what liked and that now was received yesterday, minutes ago, it has been [00:01:39] Noboa is the owner of dismissed here in the cemetery, the little flame, this [00:01:42] year there is a restriction due to [00:01:45] the fact that in recent years some [00:01:47] he says, he is the owner of incidents occurred, there were [00:01:49] management of democratic people who entered with alcoholic [00:01:52] beverages, so this [00:01:54] in time the mayor's office of La Paz has been very strict in [00:01:58] monitoring and not allowing people to enter... and people who were [00:02:02] suspected of bringing alcoholic beverages, here [00:02:05] outside the main gate of the Las Llamitas cemetery of [00:02:08] La Paz, a priest has come a few minutes ago, [00:02:12] a Catholic mass has also ended in memory of the [00:02:16] souls of the deceased, this is how this [00:02:19] very traditional festival is being lived throughout Bolivia, on this day [00:02:23] it is a holiday precisely to highlight the [00:02:27] deceptive management of importance, the intensity of... this [00:02:30] festival that begins on November 1st, the souls of the deceased arrive [00:02:34] at noon and [00:02:36] we are living, because now at noon on November 2nd they return to their [00:02:39] resting place, I return to you, [00:02:42] thank you very much dear Fredy for that [00:02:45] information from Bolivia, definitely each country has its [00:02:49] particular way of celebrating the day of the dead, [00:02:52] well, I'm going to take this opportunity to invite [00:02:55] you to enjoy our last special [00:02:59] program for the day of the dead called Latin America [00:03:02] Culture and Devotion, which culminates today on our [00:03:05] informative multiplatform Telesur, this will be at [00:03:08] 9:30 at night, Caracas Venezuela time and will be hosted by [00:03:12] our dear and very professional Aísa García, let's enjoy the [00:03:16] promo. There are traditions that do not celebrate [00:03:20] the end, but the reunion, a tribute to [00:03:23] memory, to the love of those who never completely leave, [00:03:27] as long as we keep [00:03:29] precisely in the last election and in remembering them. Discover the [00:03:32] Department, this is what roots and beauty of the Day of the Dead, where the earthly [00:03:34] and spiritual planes embrace. We invite you to watch [00:03:38] our last program of Latin America, [00:03:41] Culture and Devotion, hosted by Aisa [00:03:45] García. [00:03:47] Today, only on [00:03:50] Telesur. [00:03:53] Today, only on Telesur, [00:04:40] the Americas, fit into the structure more than 70% in that [00:04:48] the lies of Mr. [00:05:00] and electoral participation in Ecuador with [00:05:03] another notable guest, Felipe [00:05:06] Vega, political analyst from [00:05:10] Cotacachi, Ecuador. [00:05:13] a warm welcome to the program, thank you Jorge, [00:05:16] very proud to be here talking [00:05:19] with you. Felipe, your reaction to [00:05:23] the arrest and preventive detention [00:05:27] of Luisa González, two-time presidential [00:05:31] candidate and representative of the [00:05:34] main opposition party in Ecuador, Revolución [00:05:37] Ciudadana. Superlativized indignation, [00:05:40] Jorge, because Luisa González was the [00:05:44] winner of the last electoral process who was [00:05:47] defrauded, that is, they have arrested the elected [00:05:51] president and fraudulently removed her from [00:05:54] power, not only the [00:05:57] former president of the Citizen Revolution movement, the former candidate, [00:06:01] but the winner of the second [00:06:03] round, uh, I say superlativized, [00:06:06] superlativized indignation, because this is an indignation that [00:06:10] has been festering. expressing itself for a long [00:06:14] time, with the merciless [00:06:16] persecution against the Citizen Revolution, [00:06:19] especially against our highest and most important [00:06:23] leaders, such as Rafael Correa, such as former [00:06:27] Vice President Jorge Glas [00:06:31] the worst conditions, in a concentration camp created, [00:06:35] built by Mr. Novoa, uh, and without [00:06:38] any legal reason to remain imprisoned, [00:06:41] incommunicado. Uh, reviled, mistreated, [00:06:45] abused, Jorge Glas is another of the great [00:06:48] persecuted, apart from those who have been exiled from the [00:06:52] country, that is why it is an indignation that is growing and the [00:06:55] persecution in Ecuador is expressed, for [00:06:58] example, in the prohibition of the [00:07:01] Citizen Revolution movement, the largest and most organized movement in Ecuadorian [00:07:04] history, from participating in [00:07:08] elections due to an anonymous complaint [00:07:11] presented to the prosecutor's office, violating all rules of [00:07:15] law, all legal principles, and the [00:07:17] persecution is expressed from grassroots militants, who [00:07:21] have sanctions prohibiting them from holding public office, [00:07:25] fines of $40,000 that are absolutely [00:07:28] irregular, up to the persecution of the highest [00:07:31] leadership, that is why I said superlativized, because this [00:07:34] is an old construction that has been affecting not only the [00:07:38] Citizen Revolution but also other political movements in [00:07:41] Ecuador. Precisely as you say that this is a [00:07:45] succession here I name some of the names [00:07:48] that since this neoliberal, right-wing, pro-US [00:07:51] Novoa came to [00:07:55] power, he has fallen under this [00:07:59] system of persecution as you denounce here, we are also talking [00:08:03] about Aquiles Álvarez, we are talking [00:08:06] about the mayor of Guayaquil [00:08:09] also arbitrarily detained. Also [00:08:13] behind bars in a judicial process that his [00:08:16] wife, we had the opportunity to interview her, denounces [00:08:20] all kinds of irregularities, also Mr. Serrano, former [00:08:24] Minister of the Interior, now Luisa [00:08:27] González, but the issue is [00:08:31] this president Noboa, as you say very well, [00:08:34] because Luisa González says that he came to [00:08:38] the presidency, we were there [00:08:42] the... second round she says here he achieved with a [00:08:45] monumental fraud to be [00:08:49] the winner of that election, how long will [00:08:52] this stop because elections are approaching, [00:08:54] let's say local [00:08:57] elections also proscribe the [00:09:01] party, the largest party, proscribe the candidates, what is this, a [00:09:04] dictatorship, of course, look, the list is short, the [00:09:08] mayor of Esmeraldas, Vico Villasis, is also imprisoned, he [00:09:11] would have won the re-election, the mayor of [00:09:14] Cuenca is exiled and with an arrest warrant, he also [00:09:18] would have won the re-election, the mayor of Otavalo was [00:09:21] prevented from registering, she was re-eligible [00:09:26] the vote, the list is enormous, it falls short if [00:09:30] we always leave out persecuted people, because there are also [00:09:33] people who do not engage in political activity like the journalist Londra [00:09:37] Santiago, like the journalist Gicela Bayona [00:09:40] who are not from the Citizen Revolution. They are journalists who are [00:09:43] exiled due to persecution, the journalist [00:09:46] Anderson Boscán, the journalist who [00:09:50] has the nickname the chochólogo who is exiled in [00:09:53] Europe due to threats to his life, that is, the list [00:09:57] is endless, but Jorge, the [00:10:00] question is, is this gentleman the genius of evil [00:10:04] to do what he is doing, and my answer is no, the [00:10:08] former president Osvaldo Ustado, the former president of Christian Democracy [00:10:12] in Ecuador defined the government officials [00:10:15] as people with serious [00:10:18] cognitive deficiencies, which is absolutely true, not only [00:10:22] moral and ethical, but cognitive, who... are [00:10:25] capable of fabricating this whole framework, there is a [00:10:29] global script, Jorge, I would like to put this [00:10:33] on this discussion table, which [00:10:36] comes from American neoconservatism, [00:10:39] when Samuel Huntington, based on [00:10:42] the thoughts of Robert Dahl, both [00:10:46] great creators of American [00:10:48] neoconservatism, of which Donald Trump is one of its [00:10:51] most brilliant figures. [00:10:55] They argue that democracy no longer matters in the [00:10:58] world, after the [00:11:02] Soviet Union, democracy does not matter, the vote does not matter, what [00:11:05] matters is to have control, and this is the [00:11:09] the majorities of the institutions of [00:11:12] democracy, that is, we are no longer going to a democracy where the [00:11:16] popular vote is what decides, we are not going to a [00:11:18] democracy where the differentiation of functions or [00:11:22] powers of the state is the... issue of checks and balances in the [00:11:26] democratic life of a nation, no, all [00:11:29] of it is a return to absolutism, [00:11:32] that against which [00:11:36] John Locke [00:11:38] was, all the [00:11:41] English empiricists and the French rationalists who asked [00:11:45] for a division of powers in the state, legislative, [00:11:48] executive, judicial, well, with this neoconservative [00:11:51] logic there is only one power in the state. The executive [00:11:55] power that assumes through majorities all other [00:12:01] happens in Ecuador, Mr. [00:12:04] the electoral function, therefore the electoral function does what he [00:12:08] says, punishes whoever [00:12:12] the prosecutor's office, the national prosecutor acts [00:12:15] as he is ordered to the point that [00:12:19] the kidnapping, it is not imprisonment, in the [00:12:23] kidnapping of Luisa González. The one who announces the fact [00:12:27] is the general secretary of the public administration, [00:12:29] it is not the national prosecutor, it is [00:12:33] the secretary of the public administration, the secretary of the presidency of the [00:12:36] republic, he is the spokesman for the prosecutor's office and [00:12:40] when there are raids, the minister of government [00:12:43] of pardon of the interior, the minister of police is the one who leads [00:12:47] the raids and when there are [00:12:50] decisions that go against university autonomy, it is the [00:12:53] minister of education who dictates what should [00:12:56] be done, the executive, seizing [00:12:59] the functions of the state, subsuming them to its will, [00:13:03] and the same happens with parliament, the National [00:13:06] Assembly is a majority through purchase [00:13:10] and betrayal that allows Mr. Noboa to do whatever he [00:13:14] wants, therefore we have returned to the model of [00:13:17] absolutism, which the liberal [00:13:20] state denied, which is the [00:13:23] state against which the liberal state fought in [00:13:27] the in 1700, in the 18th century, we have [00:13:31] taken a step back in the civilizing process of [00:13:34] more than 300 years, Jorge, that is what we are experiencing in [00:13:37] Ecuador, it is not Mr. Noboa's creation, it is a global [00:13:41] script, continental that is applied and that Mr. Noboa [00:13:44] is one of the most efficient appliers, because he is also a person [00:13:48] born in that territory and who [00:13:51] responds directly to the United States and the State [00:13:57] happens in Ecuador, that is why [00:13:59] the discussion here is, the discussion is, this is a [00:14:03] low-intensity dictatorship, it is a civil [00:14:07] dictatorship, it is a dictatorship, a [00:14:10] cryptodictatorship as Osvaldo Hurtado described [00:14:13] it, who, besides having been president, is a social [00:14:17] scientist of the right, of the ultra-right, but he is a social [00:14:20] scientist, no, and the answer is wait, a [00:14:24] dictatorship of... that floats on the [00:14:27] waves because it has constitutional aspects, it [00:14:30] maintains the state structure, but it is an [00:14:34] absolutist government, because it denies the separation of [00:14:37] powers and thereby violates all political, [00:14:40] civil, [00:14:43] human, gender rights, everything, children's [00:14:47] rights, violates all labor rights in [00:14:50] Ecuador, and it [00:14:53] disregards the constitution, the law and the courts. [00:14:57] How does the Shield of the Americas, [00:15:00] the Shield of [00:15:05] you are describing? It is the great pretext for the [00:15:08] fight against a supposed, against a supposed [00:15:11] narcoterrorism. Drug trafficking exists, but [00:15:15] this narcoterrorism generated by the [00:15:19] vision of American neoconservative analysts is [00:15:22] a great pretext for... to [00:15:25] organize this system of domination [00:15:29] and and and of taking political power in our nations through [00:15:33] the control of democratic [00:15:36] institutions. As Huntington proposed, [00:15:40] uh, look, it's more or less what they did with Operation [00:15:44] Condor when the military [00:15:47] dictatorship was the solution, [00:15:51] the first-instance solution they had to [00:15:54] take political control of power in the [00:15:57] nations, so Operation Condor organized [00:16:01] all the coups, the persecutions, the dictatorial [00:16:04] actions, and the continent was filled with [00:16:08] military dictators, well, that model no longer [00:16:12] model that works is to establish these puppet [00:16:16] ultra-right governments, governments that enter with media [00:16:20] management of networks with serimedos, with [00:16:23] negres, no, and that enter and assume [00:16:27] total power and absolute control of the [00:16:31] state functions, through that [00:16:33] they guarantee [00:16:36] the omnipotent will of the owner or apparently [00:16:40] owner of this territory who has had the [00:16:43] audacity to change, even the [00:16:45] logic [00:16:48] of this doctrine that James Monroe proposed [00:16:52] around 1823, now call it the [00:16:56] Dombroe doctrine, a mix between Monroe and Donald [00:16:59] Trump, this is the level they have [00:17:02] reached to ratify their [00:17:05] will to take over the entire [00:17:09] continent and beyond the continent, from Greenland to Cape [00:17:12] Horn and Antarctica. So, the Shield of the Americas [00:17:16] is the great false pretext, [00:17:18] behind which [00:17:21] all this process of domination and [00:17:27] institutions in our countries is hidden. I believe that Ecuador has [00:17:30] been one of the places of [00:17:32] experimentation, of everything that this process implies, which [00:17:36] implies constant lying, remember [00:17:39] that one of Mr. Trump's digital [00:17:43] strategists, this, this [00:17:45] gentleman, I don't remember his name, what's his [00:17:49] name, Bannon, Steve Bannon, [00:17:51] said, [00:17:53] the zone uchit, we must invade, we must [00:17:57] fill, flood the environment with with [00:18:00] garbage, that is, the [00:18:05] communication, the perverse management of communication [00:18:08] then leads to the offer, the offer leads to the [00:18:12] elimination of oppositions, [00:18:14] the destruction of democratic [00:18:18] methods and democratic processes, I believe, [00:18:21] Jorge, that what we are experiencing is much more serious than it [00:18:25] seems, it is not the tantrum of a rich [00:18:27] child, it is not the [00:18:31] conviction that Ecuador is a kind of banana plantation like the ones [00:18:34] his family has, no, it is a global [00:18:37] process where the great head is in the United [00:18:41] States and that is appropriating [00:18:44] absolutely as it has done since the end of World [00:18:47] War II, since since the political [00:18:50] bipolarity began on the [00:18:53] planet, it appropriated this continent through military [00:18:56] dictatorships and now it does so through this method of [00:19:00] taking control of democratic [00:20:55] then, Daniel Noboa, born [00:20:59] in the United States, son of the richest man or [00:21:02] one of the richest men in Ecuador, [00:21:06] uh, a family that [00:21:09] controls banana exports, he is the main exporter of [00:21:12] bananas, President Noboa in [00:21:16] some way suggests that he goes [00:21:18] out to fight. In general, crime, [00:21:21] drug [00:21:24] trafficking, uh, irregular [00:21:26] groups, and the complaints are constant, [00:21:30] that from this Noboa group, which practically controls [00:21:33] all facets of banana exports, [00:21:37] bananas come out of those ports that the Noboa family also [00:21:40] controls, but cocaine contaminated in the [00:21:44] bananas also arrives in Europe, why? [00:21:48] The question, [00:21:51] the long preamble before the question [00:21:54] is, why doesn't that investigation [00:21:58] prosper, why isn't it [00:22:01] possible that, for [00:22:05] the Noboa family do not go through the same [00:22:09] microscope where they imprison Glas, Luisa [00:22:13] González, Aquiles [00:22:15] Álvarez, the [00:22:19] minister and all [00:22:22] the others, what happens, how is it that that part of Ecuador's [00:22:26] life is untouchable? There [00:22:28] is a popular saying, that is, when [00:22:32] a policeman captures a thief in [00:22:35] flagrante, in the middle of the act of robbery, the thief, [00:22:38] to avoid being taken away by [00:22:42] the police, shouts, "There, run, that's [00:22:46] the thief!" and all the people go after a poor guy who [00:22:49] was crossing the street from the front and the thief is [00:22:53] free. That is, this recourse of accusing [00:22:56] others and presenting oneself as a champion [00:22:59] in the fight against what I myself do [00:23:03] is a very old recourse in humanity and [00:23:06] it is the one that is applied here, crime and criminal [00:23:10] violence in Ecuador, which in the time of [00:23:14] Rafael Correa and I was [00:23:16] deputy minister of defense at that time, [00:23:20] and therefore part of the nation's security [00:23:23] table, the rate of [00:23:27] violent deaths per 100,000 inhabitants was [00:23:31] 5.3 deaths [00:23:34] per 100,000 inhabitants, that is to say, one of the second [00:23:38] lowest in America, and that's [00:23:41] how we handed over power to the [00:23:44] unspeakable Mr. Moreno and then to [00:23:48] Lasso and then to Noboa. [00:23:50] With Guillermo Lasso, that index began to [00:23:53] skyrocket, but in a [00:23:56] geometric way, not in a geometric [00:24:00] progression, for what reason? Because drug [00:24:03] trafficking permeated the spheres of the police and the [00:24:07] state, what do I mean? An investigation came out [00:24:10] about the involvement of the national government during the time of Mr. Guillermo [00:24:14] Lasso, with the Albanian [00:24:18] mafia, a report that... was called Leon de [00:24:20] Troya, a report that was disappeared by the [00:24:24] general commander of the police in Ecuador and by prosecutor Diana [00:24:28] Salazar and diluted in the [00:24:32] direct links that the police found between [00:24:35] the president's brother-in-law and the Albanian mafia and between [00:24:38] several high-ranking officials of the regime and the Albanian mafia, [00:24:42] this made violence, that is, drug [00:24:45] trafficking was in the high spheres of the government, it was not outside and money [00:24:49] laundering... of the banks connected to the [00:24:52] government, uh, this made [00:24:56] criminal violence and organized crime [00:25:00] groups grow in Ecuador and their activity [00:25:04] and impunity grow. Uh, [00:25:06] this had been festering since the time of María Paula Romo, [00:25:10] Minister of the Interior of Mr. [00:25:13] Moreno, and it was a process that led to [00:25:16] this surge in the rate of [00:25:20] murders per 100,000 inhabitants, with Mr. Noboa's [00:25:23] governments, that rate has reached [00:25:27] exorbitant numbers, from 5.3% to [00:25:30] 56 deaths per 100,000 inhabitants that [00:25:34] we are experiencing today, last year was a terrible [00:25:37] year for murders in Ecuador, [00:25:40] we had more than 10,000 murders in [00:25:43] Ecuador, Manta in the middle of the year [00:25:46] already had 500 murders in its city. [00:25:50] No, all hitmen, all with firearms, all street violence, [00:25:54] etcetera, the thing is that this continues [00:25:58] to progress and again [00:26:01] the uh... it starts to smell like the [00:26:03] drug trafficking in Ecuador happens through shipments of [00:26:07] bananas that leave the ports. What's more, Luisa [00:26:10] González in the presidential 29th. Why do I say elections? Because the Mr. Noboa, [00:26:14] telling him that the president of his [00:26:17] movement was accused of having shipped one and a half tons [00:26:21] of cocaine, accused by the prosecutor's office, an accusation [00:26:25] that they later erased, and that Mr. Noboa [00:26:29] through his company Noboa trading [00:26:33] was making banana shipments, and Mr. Noboa acknowledged that the [00:26:37] Noboa trading company was not his but his family's. None of [00:26:40] that has been investigated, none of that has been [00:26:43] touched, but they are turning the tables, shouting, "Catch the [00:26:47] drug trafficker who is over there," and the drug trafficker turns out [00:26:50] to be anyone from the Citizen Revolution. [00:26:54] When Luisa González's house is raided, it is [00:26:57] clear the [00:27:01] Veluisa lives, a single-story house [00:27:05] made of concrete blocks with a roof of [00:27:08] zinc, an absolutely [00:27:12] modest house. She is accused of drug trafficking [00:27:15] and money laundering, Jorge. That is to say, it is [00:27:19] already evident the miserable lie that [00:27:22] they have plotted and constructed here in Ecuador, and which resonates in [00:27:26] newspapers, in newspapers [00:27:29] like one that published a headline asking [00:27:33] what connection there is between the deaths in the [00:27:36] street and Aquiles Álvarez. Such [00:27:40] a six-column headline, which is already the [00:27:43] sum of infamy. What connection can there be [00:27:45] between the violence of organized crime groups and [00:27:49] drug trafficking in Ecuador with a mayor of Guayaquil who is [00:27:53] imprisoned in a gulag, [00:27:56] incommunicado, sick. [00:27:59] And the question then [00:28:02] is, how much of all this does the [00:28:05] common citizen know, because ultimately we also know [00:28:09] that the media in Ecuador are not, the [00:28:12] mass media are not in the service of public [00:28:15] interest, but of large economic and [00:28:19] financial interests, etc., etc. [00:28:22] How much does he know and what possibilities [00:28:26] of reacting, as you say, this has to [00:28:29] end someday? I believe that the common citizen [00:28:33] is already transcended by the reality of what [00:28:38] he lives it, he lives it every day, he lives it in his neighborhood, [00:28:42] he lives it in the cost of living, in the lack of work, in the lack of [00:28:45] health care, in the [00:28:48] lack of educational coverage, [00:28:51] etc. He lives it every day. Now [00:28:54] we are going to confirm it, although [00:28:57] I doubt it, in the [00:29:00] elections of November [00:29:04] former president of the National Electoral Council, [00:29:07] who is now appointed as ambassador to the [00:29:11] Plurinational Republic of Bolivia, no, to the Plurinational [00:29:14] State of Bolivia, therefore demonstrating her connection with the [00:29:17] executive, she said that on the day, because they advanced [00:29:21] the elections, that on the 29th there will only be votes, [00:29:24] Jorge, votes and that the election will still be on [00:29:28] February 14th. So we have to understand this [00:29:32] with a pinch of salt. We are going to vote on [00:29:36] November 29th, but they are going to elect authorities on [00:29:40] February 14th. Who is going to elect? Who is going to [00:29:43] elect? This is the question that slipped out of this lady [00:29:47] who also demonstrates her cognitive [00:29:50] limitations. But we [00:29:52] cannot confirm the position of the common citizen [00:29:56] that we should confirm in the elections of November [00:30:00] 29th, but we already confirmed it in the last [00:30:04] electoral process when Mr. Noboa asked four [00:30:08] questions that we all said he was going to [00:30:11] win, we all said he was going to win. [00:30:15] However, he lost in all four with [00:30:18] None of the political forces, no political [00:30:21] force promoted that campaign for the no. [00:30:24] It was a spontaneous campaign by the people, [00:30:28] the people on their social networks, [00:30:32] in their closest circles, launched a campaign [00:30:35] against Noboa and he lost with [00:30:39] popular consultation in the four questions. Therefore, there is already [00:30:42] a real demonstration that the common [00:30:45] people, the common people, are tired of [00:30:51] Noboa, they are tired of authoritarianism, they are [00:30:54] tired of outrages and they are tired of the [00:30:58] poverty into which he has precipitated us.