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[00:00:00] These 120 teams wove the traditional
[00:00:03] carpet of death on the streets, a ritual that
[00:00:06] turns the city into an open-air altar. Under the slogan
[00:00:10] "Return to Mictlan," the initiative reached its
[00:00:13] 18th edition, organized by the
[00:00:16] Manos Unidas de Guanajuato
[00:00:19] that is, it is a sector association, bringing together collectives from several states in the country and other
[00:00:22] latitudes. The concept of the carpet of death is that each
[00:00:25] team determines to whom they
[00:00:28] will offer. an offering that is at ground
[00:00:31] level, the grandmother,
[00:00:34] pet, we have in this
[00:00:37] edition a carpet for the
[00:00:39] disappeared, sexual
[00:00:41] diversity,
[00:00:44] eh, yes, so it's another part of
[00:00:47] receiving our dead, well, we were thinking of
[00:00:51] addressing the issue of the disappeared and more specifically the issue of
[00:00:54] clandestine graves, which
[00:00:57] are found in our country like... a
[00:01:00] lot, so this is like the representation of the
[00:01:04] lands, we made an abstraction with several
[00:01:07] lands, as we made a landscape abstraction here, we have some
[00:01:11] figures that represent the searchers,
[00:01:15] the tradition was born in 2008 when a group of
[00:01:18] friends sought to bring new generations closer
[00:01:21] to Mexican customs in the face of the growing advance of
[00:01:25] Halloween celebrations, the activity transformed the streets
[00:01:28] into stages of artistic and cultural
[00:01:32] expression through representations with elements of the Mexican
[00:01:35] worldview and messages about various social
[00:01:38] causes,
[00:01:41] for tourists this event allowed them to learn about various
[00:01:44] topics related to the spiritual life of the inhabitants of the
[00:01:48] region, their hopes and their way of remembering loved
[00:01:52] ones who are no longer here, very beautiful, it is
[00:01:55] truly many artisanal hands that
[00:01:58] prepare all of this. a spectacle for us as
[00:02:01] tourists to come and well, a way
[00:02:04] to remember our loved ones who are no longer
[00:02:07] here in life but are in our
[00:02:11] hearts, it is a marvel of art and
[00:02:14] talent of the artists who form
[00:02:17] these carpets of death, it is
[00:02:20] incredible. The activity concluded with a procession
[00:02:23] and artistic performances where the participants
[00:02:26] danced on the carpets and destroyed
[00:02:30] waves in their path, a symbolic act that recalls the
[00:02:33] transitory nature of life.
[00:02:35] vida,
[00:02:44] That's all for culture, I'll be back with you, guys, thank
[00:02:48] you very much, Karshal, as always, for the cultural space, thank you,
[00:02:51] Pique, for sports, thank you all for
[00:02:55] joining us as always, we'll see you again soon, have a great
[00:02:59] day, bye. Bye, bye!
[00:03:12] automation of
[00:03:26] date on Sunday in
[00:03:46] data,
[00:03:51] Hello, this is Jorge Gestoso, on
[00:03:55] today's program, unmanned armed forces
[00:03:58] with another invited panelist.
[00:04:01] Verónica Esforcin, geopolitical analyst and
[00:04:05] artificial intelligence specialist,
[00:04:08] directly from La Plata, Argentina. Verónica
[00:04:11] Esforcin, a warm welcome to the program.
[00:04:15] Hello, Jorge, it's a pleasure to be back on this
[00:04:18] strategic and central Telesur program. Greetings to you and the
[00:04:22] audience. Thank you, Verónica. What exactly
[00:04:25] do these unmanned armed forces
[00:04:28] mean? Is it a new way of waging war? Well,
[00:04:31] I think we need to contextualize
[00:04:35] a bit the situation in which the Pentagon and the
[00:04:38] Department of Defense in the United States are
[00:04:41] trying to regain control of technological development
[00:04:45] and innovation, thinking
[00:04:48] about the history of the United
[00:04:51] States, let's remember that in the Cold War, from
[00:04:55] the 50s, from that national
[00:04:58] security doctrine where there were the two
[00:05:01] poles, the former Soviet Union and
[00:05:04] the United States, military innovation and
[00:05:08] industry were led by the Pentagon, by the Department
[00:05:12] of Defense. We have many examples in that regard, such as
[00:05:15] BARPA, such as the Manhattan
[00:05:18] Project, many of the projects of what at
[00:05:21] that time was cutting-edge technology, were
[00:05:24] led by this military-industrial
[00:05:28] complex. In the 90s,
[00:05:31] a paradigm shift occurred after the
[00:05:35] United States established itself as the hegemon in
[00:05:38] the West, and it was investment financial funds like
[00:05:41] Black Rock, Vanguard, that began to heavily
[00:05:45] finance everything related to information and communication
[00:05:49] technologies, and displaced the
[00:05:51] Pentagon in the geopolitical
[00:05:55] leadership of this technology. That's
[00:05:59] when many of the corporations we know today
[00:06:02] appeared, such as Alphabet, and also, well, Microsoft was
[00:06:06] around before, but they were heavily leveraged
[00:06:09] by financial funds.
[00:06:12] And these defense structures lost the
[00:06:16] ability to manage innovation. So
[00:06:19] from the 90s until now, we see that the
[00:06:23] US budget has drastically fallen
[00:06:25] in terms of defense
[00:06:29] and the development of innovation and technology applied to defense.
[00:06:33] Today, we are at three or
[00:06:36] four percent of the US
[00:06:38] GDP applied to these technologies.
[00:06:43] So, I think what Donald Trump is currently trying
[00:06:46] to do is to regain control
[00:06:49] where the Department of
[00:06:52] Defense or the Department of War, right,
[00:06:56] and the Pentagon
[00:07:00] are the ones that set the pace and
[00:07:04] regain an innovation capability. The problem
[00:07:07] is that today it is impossible
[00:07:10] for these structures
[00:07:13] to subordinate big data corporations, Microsoft,
[00:07:16] Google.
[00:07:19] So, they are thinking about how to associate with these
[00:07:23] big data companies, and to associate, I think
[00:07:27] they are proposing this new doctrine in terms
[00:07:30] of national security in function of the trade war with
[00:07:34] China for these
[00:07:37] corporations to do their business and to
[00:07:40] be able to apply and automate
[00:07:42] war in a more agile way, right? That's what they are
[00:07:46] proposing from this new command that will be
[00:07:50] launched, which is called a command for
[00:07:53] the automation of war. And is there
[00:07:56] a specific date that is already being
[00:07:59] considered? Yes, for this command,
[00:08:02] it would be a high rank, a four-star
[00:08:06] general. In the United States, they are planning to launch it at the end of
[00:08:10] 2027.
[00:08:12] Let's also consider that we are in the middle of an election campaign in the United States,
[00:08:16] where they also need to show military
[00:08:19] power, thinking of the
[00:08:22] voters who follow Donald Trump and the Republican
[00:08:25] Party. So, it is being
[00:08:28] proposed a
[00:08:31] 1.5 trillion dollar
[00:08:35] funding for these war automation projects,
[00:08:38] which would involve the purchase of drones,
[00:08:42] artificial intelligence, software, software
[00:08:45] for spying or software, as it is
[00:08:48] unfortunately used in the Gaza genocide to detect
[00:08:51] targets and eliminate
[00:08:55] them. Also, everything related to robotics. That's
[00:08:59] why I said, all these capabilities today the government doesn't have them, it would
[00:09:03] have to buy them from corporations like
[00:09:06] Alphabet, Meta. Meta makes everything related
[00:09:10] to virtual
[00:09:12] reality glasses, augmented reality, which are used to train
[00:09:15] the army. These billions of
[00:09:18] dollars will also be used to
[00:09:22] consolidate the neo-reactionary tripod within Silicon
[00:09:25] Valley, which is Palantir with
[00:09:28] Peter Thiel, and Musk with
[00:09:32] his companies like
[00:09:35] SpaceX or X.AI,
[00:09:39] his artificial intelligence development, and a new company,
[00:09:43] relatively new, Anduril, which is an
[00:09:46] association between Trump
[00:09:49] Junior and Peter Thiel, which is specifically designed
[00:09:53] for this automation of war. Let's not forget that
[00:09:56] these companies propose accelerationism, so
[00:09:59] it's about accelerating now, applied to
[00:10:03] the different scenarios of warlike conflict. I don't know if
[00:10:06] it's making a small detour, as they would say in
[00:10:09] English, a small digression from the conversation, or
[00:10:12] precisely an example that is at the center. We have seen
[00:10:16] that in recent weeks this phenomenon occurred
[00:10:19] of this service that Elon
[00:10:22] Musk has developed through his company
[00:10:25] SpaceX, which is Starlink. It is definitively
[00:10:29] access to the internet through
[00:10:32] space. So,
[00:10:35] the issue arises that suddenly
[00:10:38] he was providing this service to
[00:10:42] Ukraine. The dilemma
[00:10:45] begins of who is behind that,
[00:10:48] because the US government says it has
[00:10:52] nothing to do with the fact that they have reduced
[00:10:55] the speed
[00:10:58] of the information that it can collect through
[00:11:02] Starlink, and therefore has left the Ukrainian
[00:11:05] army without access to information it needs, for example,
[00:11:09] which it says it needs to send missiles or to
[00:11:12] detect incoming missiles.
[00:11:16] So, Elon Musk says, we do
[00:11:19] not develop, we do not control that,
[00:11:23] it is a matter for the US government. The US government says we
[00:11:27] do not control that, a private individual
[00:11:30] controls it, Elon Musk.
[00:11:33] Could that be a reference to who
[00:11:36] controls what in terms of information
[00:11:39] eventually in the future in military matters?
[00:11:42] Absolutely, these tensions that you are
[00:11:45] describing are already occurring.
[00:11:48] They are happening in the Gaza genocide, they happened in
[00:11:52] Iran, they happened in...
[00:11:55] They are tensions between corporations that
[00:11:58] negotiate, they negotiate state funding,
[00:12:01] they negotiate quotas of power within
[00:12:05] the US state,
[00:12:09] because today, let's remember that the four big companies
[00:12:12] that manage the clouds, that is, the
[00:12:16] places, the high-capacity data
[00:12:19] processing centers for training
[00:12:22] artificial intelligence in real
[00:12:26] time are Google
[00:12:28] Alphabet with Google Chrome,
[00:12:31] Amazon, and to a lesser
[00:12:35] extent Meta and Oracle on a second
[00:12:37] scale. After that, there are no other
[00:12:41] corporations. And I think I said
[00:12:44] Amazon, didn't I? Amazon Web Services is also
[00:12:47] key. There are no other American corporations
[00:12:51] that have these large data
[00:12:55] processing centers, which is where the artificial
[00:12:59] intelligence used in military terrain can
[00:13:02] be trained to process in real
[00:13:05] time what happens in military terrain.
[00:13:09] So, it is the state that has to, including the US
[00:13:13] state, that has to seek
[00:13:16] ways to associate, ways to
[00:13:19] negotiate with these corporations today. That's
[00:13:23] why the funding goes directly to these corporations
[00:13:27] that are not profitable today. So today,
[00:13:30] these big data corporations,
[00:13:33] they spend more than they earn. 40%
[00:13:36] of their profit is being spent on the construction of these large-scale
[00:13:40] data processing centers. That's why the United States is seeing
[00:13:43] where they are installed,
[00:13:46] and they are not making
[00:13:49] a profit. So it is the US government that
[00:13:52] needs to buy from them. And
[00:13:55] it is the one that needs to make
[00:13:59] the most structural deals possible so that
[00:14:03] they provide their services
[00:14:06] in military conflict scenarios. In the case of
[00:14:10] Starlink, which are low-Earth
[00:14:12] orbit satellites, they are not geostationary
[00:14:16] satellites but low-level satellites,
[00:14:18] it already happened in the war with Ukraine
[00:14:22] several tensions where
[00:14:25] Elon Musk had to be forced, so to speak, to
[00:14:29] provide these services to the Ukrainian
[00:14:32] army. In fact, at one point it was said that he was providing
[00:14:36] the same services to Russia, and
[00:14:39] Donald Trump tries to, well, that's also
[00:14:43] why he was given all that space in Donald Trump's
[00:14:46] government at the beginning, he tries to keep him aligned
[00:14:50] and subordinate, but today these are corporations that
[00:14:53] have more technological capacity than the US
[00:14:57] state, which is why it is very dependent. Verónica, I invite
[00:15:00] you to take a short break. We are talking with
[00:15:03] Verónica Forsín, directly from La
[00:15:07] Plata, Argentina. Verónica is a geopolitical analyst and
[00:15:10] artificial intelligence specialist. We are talking about unmanned
[00:15:14] armed forces. We'll be
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[00:17:57] geopolitical analyst and artificial
[00:18:00] intelligence specialist, we are talking about
[00:18:03] unmanned armed forces. We were
[00:18:07] talking in the first segment about this development
[00:18:10] that we are seeing within the United States, and what about, for example,
[00:18:14] the other side of the coin in China regarding this issue? Well, this
[00:18:18] proposal that the current
[00:18:21] Secretary of Defense is
[00:18:24] making to build a four-star
[00:18:27] command and to seek new
[00:18:30] funding, we are talking about 1.5 trillion
[00:18:33] dollars to train
[00:18:37] the military forces and to accelerate the connection
[00:18:41] of the purchase of material for the training
[00:18:45] of military forces in terms of allowing the
[00:18:50] war, it is done under
[00:18:53] the argument of this
[00:18:56] commercial competition with China or this trade
[00:18:59] war with China and a possible military
[00:19:03] confrontation that would undoubtedly
[00:19:06] be marked of artificial
[00:19:10] intelligence. This is the pretext
[00:19:12] that, let's say, today
[00:19:16] the United States and the Donald
[00:19:19] Trump administration are developing to accelerate
[00:19:23] all this funding for the
[00:19:26] military spectrum. China, since
[00:19:29] always, its technological
[00:19:32] developments are commercial and military dual-purpose.
[00:19:36] The United States, also since the Cold
[00:19:40] War, as we just said, has always been dual-purpose,
[00:19:43] commercial and military. China, in its five-year
[00:19:47] plans, emphasizes the centrality of
[00:19:50] technology development, but viewing it as an
[00:19:54] instrument of a new, more accelerated
[00:19:57] mode of production, hyper-technologized,
[00:20:00] which even always subordinates
[00:20:04] itself to its
[00:20:07] proposals for prosperity, common
[00:20:10] well-being, and, in international terms,
[00:20:14] a shared destiny for humanity. Technology is
[00:20:17] used more as an instrument for the community,
[00:20:21] for society. We are not
[00:20:23] seeing, studying in depth, that China
[00:20:26] uses technology in the same way that the West
[00:20:30] is using it, for a war that is not only military
[00:20:34] but also cognitive, in a sustained and
[00:20:37] permanent way. Although, of course, it is used
[00:20:40] for surveillance, right? Drones are also
[00:20:43] being developed, robotics,
[00:20:47] and all sorts of software,
[00:20:50] artificial intelligence that can be applied in the military
[00:20:54] sphere, if necessary. The biggest conflict
[00:20:57] scenario is Taiwan, right? Today, for
[00:21:01] China. And in that sense, all its military
[00:21:05] industry is designed and aimed
[00:21:08] at sustaining the Pacific as
[00:21:12] a zone that does not escalate in terms
[00:21:15] of armed conflicts. That is to say, from a geopolitical
[00:21:19] point of view. I mean, here only the very big
[00:21:22] actors remain to decide who wins and loses a
[00:21:26] war, because all the smaller
[00:21:29] armies, to use a word,
[00:21:31] logically with the availability of artificial
[00:21:35] intelligence and all the technology, nobody
[00:21:38] can compete to win a war except these
[00:21:42] great powers. And today, in technological-military
[00:21:45] terms, we are in a technological
[00:21:49] bipolarity.
[00:21:51] On the one hand, the United States, which can also
[00:21:54] sustain this global value chain for the development of cutting-edge
[00:21:58] technology, based on the Pacific
[00:22:01] Silica eh, it establishes an
[00:22:05] association with other countries or
[00:22:08] new international relations to sustain
[00:22:11] that entire value chain, rare earths,
[00:22:15] all the development of microchips, data processing centers,
[00:22:18] in contrast, China also proposes new
[00:22:22] international relations, proposing the
[00:22:25] international organization of artificial intelligence governance,
[00:22:29] more based on this
[00:22:33] idea of win-win with 29
[00:22:36] countries, including Russia, which also allows
[00:22:40] China to sustain the global value chain
[00:22:43] of cutting-edge technologies, frontier technologies,
[00:22:46] and in that way, not have bottlenecks.
[00:22:50] China is strong in rare earths, but these
[00:22:53] international relations also allow it to overcome its
[00:22:57] bottleneck, which are microchips. They also allow
[00:23:00] the development of mathematical models
[00:23:03] and the development, well, of patents,
[00:23:07] which China is also strong in. That
[00:23:11] is to say, they are two countries
[00:23:15] that manage to sustain international relations that
[00:23:18] allow them to consolidate the value chains of cutting-edge
[00:23:22] technologies, and as you rightly say, Jorge, they are the
[00:23:25] only two countries that, in military
[00:23:29] terms, can manage big data in
[00:23:33] real time in a scenario of
[00:23:35] military conflict, and that train their armed
[00:23:39] forces in virtual scenarios,
[00:23:43] right? Both China and the United States
[00:23:46] have a permanent military exercise,
[00:23:50] using virtual reality or
[00:23:54] augmented reality, based on
[00:23:57] technologies like virtual reality glasses and so on. So they are
[00:24:01] a trained army, right? I bring up this issue,
[00:24:04] which is closer to our region, and we are
[00:24:08] talking about Brazil, about another war that
[00:24:11] precisely has its conclusion
[00:24:16] the second round of the election between Lula and
[00:24:20] Bolsonaro, where it is precisely denounced
[00:24:23] that this large corporation
[00:24:27] Meta would be using or has
[00:24:30] used, because there is a complaint with apparently concrete
[00:24:36] the manipulation of information to favor
[00:24:39] Flavio Bolsonaro and harm Lula.
[00:24:43] That is to say, here we are talking about a war
[00:24:47] from a geopolitical point of view and
[00:24:51] where these large corporations that
[00:24:54] manage artificial intelligence are
[00:24:57] participating in the electoral results
[00:25:00] of other countries. I ask you, well, I believe
[00:25:04] that Latin America is under a hybrid
[00:25:07] warfare situation,
[00:25:09] eh, the West is under a hybrid warfare
[00:25:13] situation where the great
[00:25:15] tool of today is technology, it is
[00:25:19] artificial intelligence. This allows for
[00:25:22] an interventionism that is no longer new; we have been seeing
[00:25:26] it since 2015 with Cambridge Analytica, an
[00:25:29] interventionism by American corporations in the
[00:25:33] political-electoral processes in our countries. In
[00:25:36] 2015, interventionism was denounced in the Argentine
[00:25:40] elections, in the elections in Ecuador, in the elections
[00:25:44] also in Brazil. Cambridge Analytica no longer
[00:25:47] exists, but undoubtedly Meta and American
[00:25:51] corporations
[00:25:54] have managed to continue with that
[00:25:56] ability to interfere in political-electoral
[00:26:00] processes, specifically.
[00:26:02] They target in a runoff scenario
[00:26:06] 10-15% of the population that is
[00:26:10] more disorganized and more
[00:26:13] susceptible
[00:26:16] to cognitive warfare, psychological warfare,
[00:26:21] of the population that, being more disorganized,
[00:26:25] is more vulnerable to these
[00:26:27] technologies, to these impacts on social
[00:26:30] networks and they were false flag
[00:26:34] operations, many times that happen on social
[00:26:38] networks, but sometimes they happen in reality, we saw it in Argentina last
[00:26:41] year in the midterm elections,
[00:26:45] and social networks amplifies and
[00:26:48] generates an emotional destabilization of this 10, 15% of the population
[00:26:52] that leads to defining their vote not by
[00:26:56] rational issues but by
[00:26:59] emotional issues. Here, I think there's... an
[00:27:03] alert to national and
[00:27:05] popular projects, because many times we talk to the
[00:27:09] population, explaining public policy,
[00:27:12] explaining rationally what we are going
[00:27:15] to do if we are in government,
[00:27:18] but we see that these social networks do is
[00:27:21] to target emotionality, we would say
[00:27:25] to hyper- incentivize the reptilian
[00:27:28] brain, no, the most emotional part of the brain to
[00:27:32] make voters vote irrationally.
[00:27:34] This is political interference,
[00:27:37] it's not regulated, eh,
[00:27:41] this digital terrain is totally unregulated terrain in
[00:27:45] Latin America and it allows precisely this American
[00:27:48] intrusion. So, well, on Sunday
[00:27:51] surely eh we will have
[00:27:54] again
[00:27:56] eh this North American interference. I think Lula is very aware of
[00:28:00] this situation, that's why... he has imposed
[00:28:03] sanctions on Elon Musk, he has imposed
[00:28:06] restrictions on social networks and
[00:28:09] specifically on Meta to try to make this interference not
[00:28:13] so strong. Let's see if this
[00:28:17] allows that really
[00:28:20] the national and popular Latin American project that
[00:28:24] Lula is proposing can reach a good port
[00:28:27] and not have this foreign
[00:28:30] interference. Thank you very much for having been with
[00:28:34] us, thank you very much, Jorge, greetings.
[00:28:53] It is no longer just a test of courage to face a
[00:28:57] risk, another type of courage is needed, the courage of
[00:29:01] constancy. The tenacity, the courage of
[00:29:04] resistance, it is about an important moral
[00:29:07] problem, it is precisely that which brings
[00:29:10] us closer to the true concept of
[00:29:13] revolutionary, to the concept of man, and more than of
[00:29:16] man, of revolutionary, who, as Che said, is
[00:29:20] the most honorable title, the highest seat to which a man
[00:29:24] can aspire, to be a revolutionary, Fidel
[00:29:28] Castro. November 4,
[00:29:30] 1969, Speech delivered at an event with
[00:29:34] members of the Revolutionary Armed Forces, FAR,
[00:29:38] held at the headquarters of the Ministry of the Revolutionary Armed
[00:29:41] Forces, Havana,
[00:29:42] Cuba.
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