TRTWORLD — Beyond The Game
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[00:00:00] about Ukraine's ability to manufacture patriots in the
[00:00:03] future. The key fact in all of this is the lead time uh that
[00:00:07] it would take to to do so. Even with Patriot systems getting green lit
[00:00:11] in today. We would still be looking at the middle of next year before those will be able to come on-stream and possibly
[00:00:15] even later before they're actually able to be integrated into
[00:00:18] Ukrainian
[00:00:19] of air defense.
[00:00:20] a In the meantime, Ukraine is working incredibly
[00:00:23] hard to try and boost its own
[00:00:26] of of defensive uh domestic manufacturing capabilities. Defense firms here that we've been.
[00:00:30] to over the last couple of days and that we are talking to - in
[00:00:33] the the coming
[00:00:33] of days as well are are really trying to move
[00:00:35] in forward quickly tandem with their European partners, but there are
[00:00:39] of significant road blocks, chief among them is how they pay for
[00:00:43] it, and those are
[00:00:44] a conversations too
[00:00:45] in that both NATO and Vlodimir Zelinski will trying to have in European capitals
[00:00:50] of and of two people have been killed and five others wounded in a
[00:00:54] Ukrainian drung attack on
[00:00:56] a
[00:00:56] of Russia's Briansk region, this comes after the Russian Army. said its air
[00:01:00] defense systems shut down 605 Ukrainian drones
[00:01:04] overnight. Local authorities reported logistics center belonging to Russian
[00:01:07] e-commerce giant wildberies had been slightly damaged
[00:01:11] in a Ukrainian drone attack. Kyav is reportedly seeking to
[00:01:15] disrupt the operations
[00:01:16] of the online
[00:01:17] of retailer which are accused of aiding Russia's
[00:01:22] in war. Let's cross to the Russian capital to speak with Dashal Shover. Hi
[00:01:26] there Dasha it's good to seeing you. Um, how significant?
[00:01:30] is it that Ukraine has been increasingly targeting wild berries,
[00:01:34] the wild berries logistic centers and is it affecting
[00:01:38] everyday life in
[00:01:42] of Russia? well indeed what we have seen is a sort of opening of new
[00:01:46] chapter in this conflict with more than
[00:01:49] 7%, actually to 25% by different
[00:01:52] estimas
[00:01:53] of the wildris network uh logistics network already been
[00:01:57] affacted by those drones that means almost a quarter
[00:02:01] of the logistics of this online marketplace is now
[00:02:04] suffering, so they are operating on tight margins and
[00:02:08] obviously the effect is
[00:02:11] a of mostly on the sellers, the small and medium-sized businesses, so the effect depends on how
[00:02:15] many goods they stored in the wildbrist warehouses, but then you have
[00:02:19] this domino and knock-on fact when you see the pickup
[00:02:22] points belonging to online marketplaces also seeing their share
[00:02:26] of the problem with fewer deliveries to those pickup.
[00:02:30] of locations because of fewer goods being available at those
[00:02:34] libraries marketplaces, as for the everyday life, certainly we
[00:02:38] can speak that there is some effect, but to this stage
[00:02:41] it is quite little because there are other online marketplaces such as
[00:02:45] ozone and yondex market, so there is the replacement,
[00:02:49] but this is also rining well for many of those
[00:02:52] marketplaces as to how they want to proceed with their logistics, where they
[00:02:56] want to store the goods, but for the ordinary russians what they see is
[00:03:00] the drones falling down naps
[00:03:02] of their houses pretty much a daily basis regardless of how close their
[00:03:06] region is to the border of Ukraine as well as
[00:03:09] of shattered windows, damaged cars and problems with insurances that they
[00:03:13] have endure as
[00:03:14] a result
[00:03:15] of the damage caused by those attacks. Before I let you go darsha, one
[00:03:19] of the biggest stories today is that Russia's oil facilities continue
[00:03:23] deep within
[00:03:24] of Russia continue being hit. Is this impacting Russia strategy at
[00:03:28] all? well indeed
[00:03:31] we've seen the yetas level oil refinery being
[00:03:34] in hit by the Ukrainian drones once again, the governor
[00:03:36] of the region has described this organite attack as the largest in months against
[00:03:40] the yeras level region, more than 92 Ukrainian drones were shot down and the
[00:03:44] yeras level or refinery is among the top five largest oil
[00:03:48] refunders in the country, we've seen the long lines at the petrol pumps
[00:03:52] across Russian regions recently this summer,
[00:03:56] but they are no longer
[00:03:57] in there, so the fuel restrictions and and
[00:04:00] and um
[00:04:01] of shortages have started
[00:04:02] of ease,
[00:04:03] in obviously the fear is that the situation may return and and not the dimension to
[00:04:07] this story is that how quickly the authorities have solved this problem? many
[00:04:11] wonder whether the authorities are now resorting to lower standard
[00:04:15] of petrol being used by the consumers
[00:04:18] of without them actually knowing what they
[00:04:20] of are buying, so these are the questions, but as for the ordinary russians they
[00:04:24] do fear that the situation may get worse even though we see that the
[00:04:28] Russian strategy is not changed. and the Russian president now making these
[00:04:32] reshuffles within the military and uh outlining that the
[00:04:36] drone task force will be separate
[00:04:39] a dimension, separate department within the Russian army that does
[00:04:43] signal that
[00:04:44] of Russia places lot of importance to this type of
[00:04:47] warfare. Got it, appreciate the reporting there
[00:04:50] das
[00:04:51] of in Moscow, thank you. Myanmar's
[00:04:55] leader is in Thailand on an
[00:04:57] a official visit as Bangkok pushes for re-engagement. with its wartour
[00:05:00] neighbor and asean, the regional block. Myanmar's leaders have been
[00:05:04] bad from ASEAN summit since the year 2021, when Min
[00:05:08] Aon Lang staged a coup against the elected government of Aon
[00:05:12] of Such. led to a civil war that killed and estimated 100
[00:05:15] thous people. Minus the subject of raft of western
[00:05:19] sanctions and has been seeking international legitimacy since becoming
[00:05:23] president april. It followed an election he won overwhelmingly
[00:05:26] by an army backed party in the absence of any
[00:05:30] viable opposition. Myanmar is on the path
[00:05:34] of democracy and heading towards a better future. As new government, we
[00:05:38] are currently working on prioritizing stability, peace and national
[00:05:41] reconciliation. Bangkok
[00:05:45] is seeking from Myanmar closer security cooperation along their
[00:05:49] shared border, many smuggling or human trafficking gangs shelters
[00:05:53] in Myanmar's border town so evade Thai authorities. Here's closer
[00:05:57] look at that. The UN says Myanwadi,
[00:06:00] mywadi, that's called a town in southeastern Myanmar
[00:06:04] has become a major cyber scam and human trafficking hub.
[00:06:07] Rickers are lured with fake jobs into industrial compounds and
[00:06:11] forced to run romance and cryptocurrency
[00:06:15] investment scams targeting victims around the world. in
[00:06:18] February last year Bankok cut electricity, internet and
[00:06:22] fuel to five minmar border areas and tightened
[00:06:25] checks helping to free about 500 people trapped in Myanmar
[00:06:29] scam centers. Rights groups estimate that more than
[00:06:32] 5,300 foreign nationals are still being held in four
[00:06:35] sites. Last month, Myanmar passed a law authorizing
[00:06:39] life imprisonment for operating a scam. center, yet the
[00:06:43] UN says the networks outpacing enforcement, also using
[00:06:47] artificial intelligence to expand after defrauding victims across the
[00:06:51] Asia Pacific, 88 billion dollars in
[00:06:54] 2025
[00:06:55] alone. from on
[00:06:58] this, Mangzani joins us
[00:07:01] from London, he is the co-founder of forces of
[00:07:04] renewable for Southeast Asia, an international unprofit alliance
[00:07:08] of human rights, campaigners and scholars. Thank you for your time.
[00:07:13] so so as we just heard Thailand says this visit is about tackling cross border
[00:07:17] crime and cyber scams, but kind of realistically
[00:07:20] cooperate with meanmar's leadership while parts the border remain
[00:07:24] outside the military's
[00:07:25] control? well, I
[00:07:29] think the the visit of a
[00:07:33] Myanmar military leader may our line to Thailand is
[00:07:36] deeply problematic uh for number of
[00:07:40] reasons, number one, Myanmar military
[00:07:44] is also connected with lot of
[00:07:47] transnational crime,
[00:07:50] drug trafficking and other units and and we have to remember
[00:07:54] the cyber scam centers are
[00:07:58] uh transnational networks run
[00:08:02] and Myanmar military alone is not soly
[00:08:05] responsible entire authorities uh other
[00:08:09] authorities across Southeast Asia including Maybe
[00:08:13] even Chinese authorities along the borders are
[00:08:16] involved and so I think that that is uh
[00:08:20] the the main issue uh
[00:08:23] concerning whether this can be addressed
[00:08:27] realistically between bilateral collaboration, but there's a
[00:08:30] deeper problem with Miowline's visit and Mayoline
[00:08:34] is a is one the top
[00:08:38] generals or the general that has international
[00:08:41] arrest. warrant issued by a court in
[00:08:45] Argentina a universal jurisdiction
[00:08:48] case uh similar to pinoshe case and
[00:08:52] interpol has that arrest warrant, it's like
[00:08:56] Netanyahu with arrest warrant by
[00:08:58] ICC and so the Thailand is
[00:09:02] rolling out red carpet to an international war
[00:09:06] criminal wanted by Argentinian
[00:09:09] court uh under universal jurisdiction. Secondly,
[00:09:13] Thailand is currently engaged a
[00:09:16] military conflict with another neighbor,
[00:09:20] Cambodia, and so Thailand promoting or claiming to
[00:09:24] promote peace in Myanmar through so-called
[00:09:28] calibrated engagement while bombing
[00:09:31] Cambodia and attacking Cambodian uh the villages
[00:09:35] along the border is really problematic. Those are two
[00:09:39] issues that need to be uh kept in this.
[00:09:42] spotlight and not uh not be marginalized
[00:09:46] in the interest of bilateral
[00:09:49] trade back to the scam centers though earlier this year
[00:09:53] thailand cut electricity, internet and fuel supplies to parts the
[00:09:56] border, have those measures made a real different difference or do
[00:10:00] you think the criminal networks just simply adopted
[00:10:04] - the the criminal networks have simply adapted
[00:10:07] and you know the i think these crime
[00:10:11] centers are not simply... run by mafia
[00:10:14] and because they are transnational crimes, all the
[00:10:18] neighboring state authorities are involved,
[00:10:22] i would i dare say some the the
[00:10:25] authorities in the security sector,
[00:10:29] immigration sector themselves can be
[00:10:33] reasonably assumed to be involved, not just the Myanmar, and so
[00:10:36] this is not to defend obviously Myanmar's role,
[00:10:40] Myanmar military is roled and also some the
[00:10:44] armed groups allied with Myanmar military,
[00:10:48] but to indicate that the problem is much
[00:10:51] more the regional. than
[00:10:55] just Myanmar or Thailand and there are cyber scam
[00:10:59] centers found a Cambodian uh Thai and
[00:11:03] Cambodian Chinese borders as well and so I think
[00:11:06] we really need to have serious
[00:11:10] and deeper look uh that rather
[00:11:13] than looking it as a bilateral issue. The more
[00:11:17] important issue is Myanmar military itself
[00:11:21] is one the greatest obstacles to uh
[00:11:25] you know cross border control as well as uh the
[00:11:29] peace in the country we have a situation similar
[00:11:32] to uh Syria under Assad
[00:11:36] the country was internally already
[00:11:38] dismembered and and that's a situation in Burma and
[00:11:42] Myammar military is currently
[00:11:45] embraced by the you know international giant
[00:11:49] states such as Russia uh India China
[00:11:53] and so I think like you know whatever Thailand is
[00:11:56] promoting uh is not going to make much difference, they
[00:12:00] already have acceptance what they are seeking
[00:12:04] is the regional acceptance, not just simply
[00:12:07] political legitimacy. okay, got to appreciate your
[00:12:11] time, thanks for your your comments
[00:12:14] there, thank
[00:12:16] you, well the European Union has held
[00:12:20] an informal meeting on Tuesday to discuss the mass influx of
[00:12:24] migrants and refugees into the Spanish enclave of Quetter and ways to
[00:12:28] strengthen border controls, the block outline plans to reinforce
[00:12:31] its borders, speed up the repatriation of
[00:12:34] undocumented migrants and refugees and provide additional
[00:12:38] support to Spain. More than 7000 undocumented people crossed
[00:12:42] into last week, triggering one of Spain's most serious
[00:12:46] crises in years.
[00:12:50] Katarina Glinadaki is a lecturer in public
[00:12:53] policy and administ. Ation the University of Southauthampton, she
[00:12:57] joins me live from Creet in Greece, professor, thank you
[00:13:01] so much for your time, so the EU
[00:13:04] says, yes of course, anytime, the EU says it wants
[00:13:08] stronger external borders, faster
[00:13:11] deportations, is there evidence though that these measures actually
[00:13:15] deter irregular migration or do they
[00:13:19] you think simply push people towards more dangerous
[00:13:22] routes? it just it
[00:13:25] seems intuitive that by investing more um in
[00:13:29] having more secure borders, investing in human resources and
[00:13:32] and more advanced technologies and paying more money for
[00:13:36] this would be effective in
[00:13:40] keeping people out, but that's not, we don't really have strong
[00:13:44] evidence of of this actually working in practice, on the contrary
[00:13:48] we see increase of numbers of people every year who
[00:13:52] are attempting to make these journeys to... to cross
[00:13:55] borders irregularly to to enter Europe, and we also
[00:13:59] see um increase of migrant deaths every year, I
[00:14:03] believe last year there were over 200 migrant deaths in the
[00:14:07] Mediterranean, so I think
[00:14:11] the the answer is more that it seems that more
[00:14:15] people are pushed towards more dangerous migration journeys and
[00:14:19] more people losing their lives
[00:14:21] um and trying to make those journeys happen, yeah I call the
[00:14:25] wording in the news the past week or two, but this latest
[00:14:29] influx of migrants on refugions, people saying that they felt
[00:14:33] safer during this time, more welcome, they felt it was more
[00:14:36] likely now to get into Europe, but Europe says
[00:14:40] it needs migrant workers, probably that was part the reason so many people went
[00:14:44] across because the European aging population,
[00:14:48] yet it's investing so much into keeping migrants and refugees
[00:14:51] out, um, it feels like the EU is trying to solve to
[00:14:55] contradicting problems at the same
[00:14:58] time,
[00:15:01] right? um, so there is, that's part of why the
[00:15:05] migration issue is very difficult issue to solve from a policy
[00:15:08] perspective, on the one hand,
[00:15:12] there are, we we know that there are large populations in other
[00:15:16] parts the world that where the living conditions
[00:15:19] are not as high as they are in Europe, their lives
[00:15:23] are harsher in ' their daily lives are harsher and so they have strong
[00:15:27] incentives to to cross the border. um, they also
[00:15:31] are becoming increasingly aware of this global
[00:15:35] inequality and the differences through. media, so they
[00:15:38] have this incentive, from the side of
[00:15:42] European leaders of course, they on the one hand,
[00:15:46] they want to project
[00:15:48] a picture of control borders and and show they
[00:15:52] have state soverenty and that is
[00:15:54] respected, but there's also, as you
[00:15:58] mentioned, huge problem in terms of labor shortages in
[00:16:01] different sectors the labor market, this in
[00:16:05] fact may in part may be to the global fertility
[00:16:09] rates in many countries in Europe, but also in in other
[00:16:13] countries outside of Europe, in part could be because of
[00:16:17] the changing economy and and its connection
[00:16:20] with education, but any case there
[00:16:24] are very significant labor sortages that need to be
[00:16:27] filled, which are not filled,
[00:16:30] and and so that is
[00:16:33] difficult not to crack essentially for lot of '
[00:16:37] European leaders and and that's why we see lot of
[00:16:41] phenomena where on the one hand there is ratoric of very
[00:16:45] strict very restrictive approach to migration
[00:16:49] um very strict control of it and then at the same
[00:16:52] time we quietly see some leaders um kind of opening
[00:16:56] the back door and allowing people to come as seasonal
[00:17:00] workers for instance or or having specific
[00:17:04] bilateral agreements between two different countries um one european
[00:17:08] and one third country to to allow people to come for fixed
[00:17:11] amount of time to fill those sorges, but still there it
[00:17:15] seems to me that there is room for further um for the increase
[00:17:19] the legal routes in terms of in order to
[00:17:23] solve those labor strategies. professor, i just have about one minute left with
[00:17:26] you, if tougher border controls and faster deportations have been
[00:17:30] discussed for years, why do you why do we continue
[00:17:33] to see repeated crises in places like cuatta?
[00:17:37] producer on the Greek Islands, although I suspect the answer might simply be
[00:17:41] to to find better life escape uh
[00:17:45] hurt, damage, death,
[00:17:47] perhaps. I mean, it's a very complicated question
[00:17:51] to answer in one minute, but I would say that is perhaps the number
[00:17:54] one - reason of why people
[00:17:58] continue to want to to cross the border and seek better lives.
[00:18:02] Um, global inequalities, as I mentioned earlier, increased awareness through social
[00:18:06] media are also. contributing to this of course,
[00:18:10] professor, thank you so much for your time with this, professor catalina, appreciate it, thank
[00:18:14] you, thank
[00:18:15] you,
[00:18:22] before we get to sport with charlot, we let's bring in William Denslow, he's in
[00:18:26] brucels, william, hi there, williams, good seeing you, just give us an up to date in
[00:18:30] terms of what's happening at meetings at this point in
[00:18:32] time,
[00:18:36] yeah, absolutely, well we... person Markus Brune, Magnus Brune,
[00:18:40] the commissioner in charge of migration related
[00:18:44] issues at the European Commission, addressing uh members the European
[00:18:48] Parliament in this emergency meeting to discuss
[00:18:51] uh the situation in Sweet and essentially he's delivered a verdict,
[00:18:55] he's described almost as a stress test uh for the European
[00:18:59] Union, he says that they certainly passed, he said that was evidenced by
[00:19:03] the fact that over 70,000 people within this...
[00:19:07] for around 24 hours had returned back into Moroccan
[00:19:11] territory, however he said that this was a far from perfect, it
[00:19:15] certainly doesn't mean that there's not room for improvement. he
[00:19:18] said uh he commended Spain for their approach
[00:19:22] to ensure that no people that regularly crossed
[00:19:26] this border into Spanish territory on
[00:19:29] north Africa cross into the Shengen uh
[00:19:33] zone here in Europe uh and he
[00:19:37] said that more will be done going forward, he said really touching a
[00:19:40] few key issues that the European Commission has raised when it comes to closer
[00:19:44] cooperation with 30 party nations, including Morocco going
[00:19:48] forward, he says that these are vital, but he says that they can't be solly
[00:19:52] reliant on efforts from other parties as well, that is why the
[00:19:55] EU is looking into other measures it can take, including cracking
[00:19:59] down on these criminal smuggling networks that EU
[00:20:03] officials have blamed for the crisis we saw unfold last.
[00:20:07] in sweater and william, what role is morako playing in managing
[00:20:11] this?
[00:20:15] absolutely, well that's crucial role going forward,
[00:20:19] and uh, essentially what we're hearing from EU
[00:20:23] officials is that this is something they're looking to collaborate on further, they
[00:20:27] say there is an opportunity considering the fact that in the wider
[00:20:30] context the EU and Morocco currently are
[00:20:33] negotiating closer partnership agreement and
[00:20:37] Bruno saying that this issue of migration ties very closely
[00:20:41] in with that as well, so there are certainly
[00:20:44] hopesuh that Morocco as well as European
[00:20:48] Union at large - can continue to work on this issue
[00:20:52] to ensure that situations like this, crises like this don't
[00:20:56] evolve going forward. that has been concerned by
[00:20:59] representatives on suweter who have described essentially hostal
[00:21:03] relationship uh with Moroccos they described in this meeting going
[00:21:07] on with MEPs, they say that they need from the EU more
[00:21:10] resources when it comes to um physical barriers, they
[00:21:14] say they need more personnel, more equipment going forward, so certainly a degree of
[00:21:18] unease from official. was in towted, but for the EU, very
[00:21:22] promising signs that they believe there is more coordination that can be had with
[00:21:26] Morocco. William, thank you, that's William Dansle
[00:21:28] in process.
[00:24:20] the in last
[00:30:09] Iran and Oman reach an understanding over the straight of hora moves
[00:30:13] agreeing on coordinates for safe transit route.
[00:30:17] Hello, welcome to TRT World, live from Istanbul, with me, Neil
[00:30:20] Harvey. Also, this hour, Israel intensifies
[00:30:24] attacks on southern Lebanon, despite an existing cease fire
[00:30:28] and ongoing peace talks now into a third day in Rome.
[00:30:33] "Russia says it's intercepted hundreds of Ukrainian drones overnight as
[00:30:37] President Zelensky appeals to allies an urgent attempt to secure
[00:30:40] more missile interceptors and Myanmar's leader
[00:30:44] and former army chiefs in Thailand seeking re-engagement and international
[00:30:48] legitimacy.