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[00:00:03] me
[00:00:08] This of of is TRT World, I'm Neil Harvey, and here are our headlines: Iran and
[00:00:12] Oman are finalizing an interim deal on commercial
[00:00:15] of shipping through the
[00:00:16] of straight of Hola Moos, but there are some remaining
[00:00:21] of of thorny issues, they include the lifting of a US in Naval blockade and transit fees. Iran seeking five
[00:00:24] to 7% of cargo value, Oman has
[00:00:27] in proposed 3%, meanwile don't Trump's hinting a broader deal with Iran
[00:00:31] could be close.
[00:00:34] of Yemen's Iran aligned hoothies have confirmed a missile attack on yet
[00:00:38] another Saudi linked oil tanker. The group says that vessel was
[00:00:42] of targeted in the Gulf of Aden. On Wednesday, they also claimed
[00:00:45] in responsibility for attack a Saudi tanker off the coast
[00:00:48] of the Red Sea port of Yambu. Israel's military says
[00:00:52] two soldiers have been killed, eight woundads during combat in southern Lebanon, the
[00:00:56] strikes on Wednesday were in retaliation to what Israel described as Hez...
[00:01:00] violations
[00:01:00] of the seas far. this
[00:01:02] of comes as US broker peace talks between Israel and Lebanon how
[00:01:06] are concluding
[00:01:08] of today in Rome, the focus being on the next phase of a gradual Israeli withdraw
[00:01:12] from southern Lebanon. Israel's forces
[00:01:16] continue though to storm
[00:01:18] of of the calandia refugee camp in the occupied west bank with at least 16 palestinians so
[00:01:22] far injured. 60 people have been
[00:01:24] of arrested during Thursday's
[00:01:25] of rates. Uganda's parliament's approved deployment
[00:01:29] of... to Gaza as part of a proposed
[00:01:32] of international stabilization mission, the move following a direct request from
[00:01:36] President Donald Trump to President Yauri Musevini. The force
[00:01:39] is part of
[00:01:40] me a broader peace plan unveiled after the seasfire reached in October, it
[00:01:44] would oversee security and humanitarian aid efforts in
[00:01:47] Gaza. Three people have been killed in overnight
[00:01:51] a strikes by Russia on
[00:01:52] a Ukraine's eastern city of Balaclear in the Hark region, rescue
[00:01:55] operations continue as teams struggle to clear the debry. Meanwile
[00:01:59] two. have been killed, five wounded in the
[00:02:02] of Ukrainian drone strike on Russia's branch
[00:02:04] region, and Myanmar's leaders in
[00:02:07] Tailand on an official
[00:02:09] of visit,
[00:02:09] as Bangkok pushes for re-engagement with its wartor neighbor and the regional
[00:02:13] block Asian, Myanmar's leaders have been bad from Asyan summit
[00:02:17] since
[00:02:18] of 2021, when Min Anglang staged the coup against the
[00:02:22] elected government of Ang
[00:02:24] in Sanu in chi, of that led
[00:02:25] of to of a civil war killing an estimated 100 thousand
[00:02:28] people.
[00:02:30] of Those headlines
[00:02:34] to stay with us as the news
[00:02:38] of continues.
[00:02:41] in in of
[00:02:46] of
[00:02:50] Hungarian prime minister Peter broke 16 years of rule under
[00:02:54] Victor Orban when he
[00:02:55] of came to power in
[00:02:56] of April. Now he's in the process of dismantling the system he in.
[00:03:00] calling it
[00:03:01] of corrupt and
[00:03:02] of illiberal, but is Hungary's so-called purgatorium testing the
[00:03:06] limits
[00:03:07] of the rule of
[00:03:08] of law?
[00:03:28] Orban, petter major promised. to tear down the system he
[00:03:31] left brick by brick and he
[00:03:34] of started to do just that, changing the constitution, removing
[00:03:38] key officials and launching corruption probes into
[00:03:41] of Orban's inner circle. It's part of a drive to clean up
[00:03:45] Hungarian politics and to become more aligned with the EU, but
[00:03:48] critics are calling it a power
[00:03:51] grab. Hungarian voters
[00:03:54] gave Peter Majar's Teaser party two-thirds
[00:03:58] super majority.
[00:04:00] of April's election, allowing him to rewrite the country's
[00:04:04] of constitution. Majar says it's needed to undo what
[00:04:08] he calls the mafia
[00:04:10] in system built by Victor Orban's Fidet's party during
[00:04:13] its 16 years in power. Our
[00:04:17] country has been led for many years by professional, very experienced
[00:04:21] politicians, excellent lawyers who knew
[00:04:24] a exactly the rules
[00:04:24] of of
[00:04:25] of power, the letters, the mazes of laws and the
[00:04:27] constitution. because of this, they put the
[00:04:31] state and
[00:04:32] the law at the service
[00:04:33] of their own interests. the
[00:04:37] first target of Teser's operation purgatory was
[00:04:41] the presidency. Tamas Sulliok, appointed
[00:04:44] of under Orben, resigned last month, parliamentary term
[00:04:48] limits have also been brought in,
[00:04:51] a effectively barring most of Orban's MPs from reelection, with the
[00:04:55] chief prosecutor
[00:04:56] of and head
[00:04:56] a of the Constitutional Court being pushed out too. A raid
[00:05:00] of data center linked to the fidete's party has led
[00:05:04] Orban to speak
[00:05:06] of out. If a
[00:05:07] of party's computer server is taken away, containing its membership
[00:05:11] register, communication. entire internet operation,
[00:05:14] databases, membership fees and support
[00:05:17] donations, and it's taken away by the government the rival political
[00:05:21] force, that is a problem. I do not think that this needs to be
[00:05:25] explained. The EU has been
[00:05:28] supportive of Majar since his election, and is moving to
[00:05:32] unlock billions in frozen funds, if Maja is
[00:05:36] able to deliver on his anti-corruption and transparency
[00:05:40] reforms at home. Teaser's popularity has started
[00:05:44] to drop, dipping by 5% in opinion polls since
[00:05:48] coming to power. I don't like what's going on in
[00:05:51] parliament now. I'm not saying that I don't like the change, but I think it's taken a
[00:05:55] bad direction by forcing the president to
[00:05:57] resign.
[00:06:00] Now a new one-party system will evolve. The teaser party will put their
[00:06:04] own puppet there. They'll do whatever they
[00:06:06] want. The former president, Tamaliok was a
[00:06:10] character of no weight. He never said anything, he never took a
[00:06:14] position, he just signed everything in silence. He said
[00:06:18] what they told him to say, he really was
[00:06:21] puppet. Peter majar promised
[00:06:25] Hungarian's change and he is moving to deliver on that
[00:06:28] promise, but will it be the kind of change that people
[00:06:32] voted
[00:07:10] think in my interpretation
[00:07:12] um and "I'm not the only one. President Schwiok's removal
[00:07:15] from office was serious violation of democratic
[00:07:19] principles, not seen here in the central European region
[00:07:23] since the end of communism, and the former
[00:07:27] president's words uh, when he said
[00:07:30] that his successor will not be
[00:07:34] legitimate, or he said that precisely, he said um, use the
[00:07:38] word illegitimate, will reverberate in the in the in the minds of
[00:07:42] anyone. who would want to or would
[00:07:44] consider actually
[00:07:47] accepting the presidency from from Peter
[00:07:50] Majar, forcing out the chief
[00:07:53] prosecutor is similarly interpreted
[00:07:56] in as a political retribution, hence
[00:08:00] underbining public confidence in the prosecutor's
[00:08:03] office. um, unfortunately, what we see, what we have
[00:08:07] seen with the president is only the tip the eyes, but this is
[00:08:11] happening all across. the Hungarian public life
[00:08:15] and and the political spectrum, high or low
[00:08:19] level public figures are forced out from their offices, people
[00:08:23] who have never broken the law only because they are not
[00:08:27] signaling their loyalty towards the new tissa government and the
[00:08:31] president was one the victims of this
[00:08:34] retribution. Mark we
[00:08:50] complaints from fides partisans
[00:08:54] are really rich in hypocrisy given the fact that Victor Ortiban was
[00:08:57] in power for 16 years, and he built the
[00:09:00] system that Peter is currently
[00:09:04] using to dismantal
[00:09:08] the really truly not democratic but rather
[00:09:11] authoritar. system that Ortaban
[00:09:15] built during his, more than
[00:09:19] 16 years in power, the complaints
[00:09:22] and
[00:09:23] the the winging and the belly aching from from fetus partizans is
[00:09:27] also just very strange, and if you look at Ordban and his
[00:09:31] top lieutenants, they resigned their seats from parliament,
[00:09:35] they're not trying to make any contributions
[00:09:39] to public life, to policy making, to... uh
[00:09:43] improving actual uh services that the government
[00:09:46] provides to Hungarians on the ground, they're just sitting on the
[00:09:50] sidelines and throwing verbal bombs and and rhetorical
[00:09:54] attacks, so it's hard to take these complaints very
[00:10:11] most of ThiSA voters do and... the the ta party
[00:10:14] enjoys roughly a 60-70% support in the among
[00:10:18] voters now, so they have such majority and there's such a
[00:10:22] public demand for these kind of changes now. the the funny
[00:10:25] thing is really is that um Peter is employing
[00:10:29] similar tactics or similar style of governance uh as
[00:10:33] Fides did as Victor Orban did as in the majority can
[00:10:36] do pretty much whatever they can he says that it's a temporary thing that
[00:10:40] he's doing uh until they adopt a new very different
[00:10:44] constitution eventually probably a year or so um
[00:10:47] we'll see whether that is the case but currently you can see that this
[00:10:51] is uh according to what the voters demanded that they want to get
[00:10:55] rid of fides, this is what unites this camp, obviously
[00:10:59] 70% the uh electorate doesn't agree on
[00:11:03] every ideological position, but what they agree on is that they wanted to get rid of
[00:11:06] everything that fid has created, and Peter is from a
[00:11:10] political standpoint very wise emphasize this
[00:11:14] and take measures on doing this, even sort
[00:11:17] of extreme measures or measures that seem extreme from a western
[00:11:21] European perspective, because this is what
[00:11:25] unites his camp, this is what unites his political uh
[00:11:29] electorate and that's what keeps him popular, so he will continue to do
[00:11:32] this uh as long as uh he can, so that the
[00:11:36] focus of Hungarian politics is on fighting against Orban, which is very
[00:11:40] popular fight among most
[00:12:06] we shouldn't overstate the drama of
[00:12:10] what's going on in Hungarian public life. uh,
[00:12:13] certainly President Shuyok had his
[00:12:17] defenders and he voiced his complaints
[00:12:20] publicly when Peter and the Tisa government moved
[00:12:24] to... to
[00:12:25] uh push him out of office through vote in parliament, it's not like these
[00:12:29] were any sort of extra legal measures that took, it was
[00:12:33] just matter the representatives who were duly elected by the
[00:12:37] Hungarian populist taking a decision that the Hungarian populist
[00:12:41] supported, lot these moves to me feel
[00:12:45] like well relatively normal politics, at least
[00:12:48] a European level
[00:12:50] when proposes action or a pol
[00:12:55] people complain if they don't like it or they say yes if they
[00:12:59] do like it or they stay quiet if they do like it uh and if people
[00:13:03] don't like it well then he changes his tag as he has for instance
[00:13:07] in several instances of um removing nominations for top
[00:13:11] cabinet officials so to me it seems like
[00:13:15] responsiveness transparency public
[00:13:48] is, I would, I would say that
[00:13:51] the, I wouldn't use the word reforms that... you
[00:13:55] have used earlier, this is this is retribution
[00:13:58] and this
[00:13:59] is a government is is a government of avengers, the
[00:14:03] Peter is using the dismantling
[00:14:06] the what he calls the urban regime as
[00:14:10] smoke screen to actually destroy the entire
[00:14:13] Hungarian conservative national network and and
[00:14:17] sphere, and this is exactly what is expected of
[00:14:20] him to do,
[00:14:22] and is
[00:14:25] what is happening with
[00:14:26] the with what you asking about the speed of the
[00:14:29] reforms, um, we all wanted reforms and
[00:14:33] and I think this was Victor Orban's mistake that he
[00:14:37] didn't listen to the independent Hungarian
[00:14:41] Conservative network that was asking for reform and
[00:14:44] there was a bubble around Fedes, but what we got is is
[00:14:48] basically the destruction the rule of law in Hungary and
[00:14:52] the neostalinist cult of person. against
[00:14:56] around Peter, this is this is not reform and it should not
[00:15:00] be should not be called that, and all these
[00:15:03] comparisons, well
[00:15:04] this is exactly what what Victor Orban
[00:15:08] did earlier for 16 years, I don't think they
[00:15:11] stand
[00:15:13] the the test of reality, we did not have political prisoners as
[00:15:17] we do, the offices and and the
[00:15:20] servers the opposition party have not been raided by
[00:15:24] Victor. urban the president was not
[00:15:28] forced out etc etc. so these comparisons
[00:15:31] of of any sort of existing parallels are are limping in my
[00:15:52] really, because um, obviously retribution or writing the
[00:15:55] wrongs the unsian regime was one the major
[00:15:59] things that the electorate has requested, and
[00:16:03] well the Hungarian public is used to this majoritarian politics partly.
[00:16:07] because of what the orban regime has done that basically whatever the majority be
[00:16:11] the majority of worders or the majority in parliament requires will
[00:16:15] happen regardless of whether that violates any
[00:16:18] principle of rule of law, european standards or so and so
[00:16:22] on, but this has been Hungarian staple in
[00:16:26] politics since the 90s. Hungary is the only country in the region that
[00:16:29] didn't have that hasn't had snap elections since 1990, every
[00:16:33] government in some way shape or form was there for for.
[00:16:37] years, they were elected for four years, the parliament remained in place for four years, which
[00:16:41] is unusual in European politics. European politics is usually about lot
[00:16:45] of coalition disputes, lot of governments just dissolving, early
[00:16:48] elections being called, Hungary has not been subject to that, the Hungarian
[00:16:52] public is used to having a stable majority, and whatever the
[00:16:56] majority says pretty much
[00:17:16] uh,
[00:17:17] you know, once governments actually move implementing
[00:17:21] the promises uh that they make, and this applies not just to Hungary,
[00:17:24] but really anywhere you have democratic system. uh,
[00:17:28] the, some people in the populaus uh, will
[00:17:32] be, not as happy, they the promises and the way that
[00:17:36] they're kept, the... concrete programmatic uh
[00:17:40] implementations uh will disappoint some people and so you have
[00:17:44] people who express their disappointment by uh responding to
[00:17:47] polls and poll numbers drop
[00:17:50] uh you know the question i think for pet will be to pay attention to
[00:17:54] how low his pull numbers go
[00:17:57] um and how and to
[00:18:00] you know do course corrections uh if in fact it seems
[00:18:04] like uh the way that he's implementing these policy.
[00:18:08] are is impacting negatively his popularity uh in
[00:18:12] Hungary as a whole and so far there hasn't really been a
[00:18:15] lot of uh to move the needle uh a a strongly
[00:18:19] negative direction it's it seems to me like it's just you know some people who
[00:18:23] are you know not exactly happy with the way that certain
[00:18:27] policies have been implemented and and that's for
[00:18:30] petod to to address if it becomes
[00:18:51] many have been, especially if you listen to the
[00:18:55] reactions from the European right, from the
[00:18:58] patriots
[00:19:00] of for Europe group in the European Parliament and and
[00:19:03] the party itself, Marine Lepen and and and others
[00:19:07] have pointed out that the
[00:19:11] silence the European Union's leadership is completely
[00:19:14] deathening and how come if if Victor Orban were
[00:19:18] to do half as much as as as Peter's
[00:19:22] government, he he would have been ostracized and punished
[00:19:25] for for doing so, but when when we speak about
[00:19:29] the European Union, we have to understand it increasingly in terms of
[00:19:33] its German dominance, and many uh...
[00:19:37] commentators call what is happening now in in
[00:19:41] Hungary, the Polish model, obviously they refer to the
[00:19:45] example of Donald Tusk's government, when they came to power, they
[00:19:48] raided the public
[00:19:51] broadcast, they've raised lawfair
[00:19:54] a judicial overreach against their opponents, etc
[00:19:58] etc, but
[00:19:59] I think this is a misconception, this isn't the Polish model, this
[00:20:02] is a German model, only it has only been
[00:20:06] in... employed in in
[00:20:09] Poland for the first time, but if you see uh on the lion
[00:20:13] immediately committing to releasing all the funds and the
[00:20:16] Erasmus program for students that have been withheld for
[00:20:20] many many years in from Hungary because they we
[00:20:24] had a conservative national government and without
[00:20:28] any policy changes except for firing people and jailing
[00:20:32] people uh that then you understand where the EU stands in
[00:20:36] this and you understand that this is in fact a proxy government
[00:20:39] sponsored by the EU. Manfred Weber, the the leader
[00:20:43] the European People's party, has also when when asked about
[00:20:47] the serious violations of human rights. and the rule of law
[00:20:51] he said, well he's nothing to see, he has full
[00:20:54] commitment uh towards Peter, and
[00:20:58] we had of course Marcus Surder here in
[00:21:01] Budapest recently, the
[00:21:04] leader the Bavarian CSU and he was being and
[00:21:08] was happy and cooing Peter saying how - for the
[00:21:12] urban government when he's he's glad to see the back and he's
[00:21:15] welcoming the the new Maj government here
[00:21:19] so... "I think many
[00:21:50] it, I'm not entirely sure that it's a a wise move to uh
[00:21:54] get in bed with Marine Lepen and to claim her support
[00:21:58] as a mark in one's favor, Marine Lepen is not
[00:22:02] exactly uh the kind of politician uh
[00:22:06] whose views are mainstream or even morally
[00:22:09] palatable uh especially when it comes to race and racism in
[00:22:13] Europe. Um the thing I would say is that there have
[00:22:17] been substantive policy changes uh for the
[00:22:20] better uh in the area of foreign
[00:22:23] policy uh Victor Ordban uh and especially his
[00:22:27] for his foreign minister Peterto uh
[00:22:31] were very very close with uh
[00:22:34] Russian uh the Russian government with Vladimir Putin we're
[00:22:38] supporting Vladimir Putin and in fact we're aiding Vladimir Putin
[00:22:42] in disrupting uh the uh
[00:22:45] democratic uh rule of law in Europe as a
[00:22:48] whole uh and that the removal of Russian
[00:22:52] influence in Hungarian life, the removal of Russian
[00:22:55] influence more broadly in or putting an extra
[00:22:58] barrier against Russian influence more broadly uh
[00:23:02] in Europe, is major shift, and I think that is actually
[00:23:06] what the European Union is rewarding uh
[00:23:10] and acknowledging uh by releasing funds and
[00:23:14] returning Hungary to the Erasmus program, and the
[00:23:18] other thing is that it's not like you know giving money to Hungary
[00:23:22] is somehow a punishment for Hungarian citizens, it's what they wanted. Who's
[00:23:26] gonna who's gonna say uh, well no thanks, well well we don't
[00:23:30] want those billions of euros uh and no thanks, we don't
[00:23:33] want a world renowned scholarship and educational
[00:23:37] program uh, so it seems to me as if the
[00:23:40] complaints that somehow uh this is harming uh
[00:23:44] Hungarian citizens is is
[00:24:17] time to do so um, because state media at least the public
[00:24:20] television uh has not gotten its new leadership uh and
[00:24:24] it's not actually doing its job because it doesn't have the right
[00:24:28] people and it's very hard to find people who weren't associated with
[00:24:31] the ansian regime so orban's people and
[00:24:35] also are not considered very political uh on the
[00:24:38] left-wing liberal uh whatever side you want to call it uh and just
[00:24:42] recently basically
[00:24:45] stopped uh the appointment of two uh
[00:24:49] leaders of uh the Hungarian state television because they're former
[00:24:53] association with uh Orban's media,
[00:24:56] so he will have very hard time to do this, and obviously he's
[00:25:00] also calling this very transitionary and this is going to get to
[00:25:04] some sort of normal, but Hungary is a small country, it has a small
[00:25:08] elite and because of that there will be issues
[00:25:11] of finding personnel, the right personnel who actually know what they do, but
[00:25:15] haven't been haven't had the experience of working for Orban, at least not for an
[00:25:19] extended. period of time, but they can do the job, that's going to be
[00:25:23] very difficult in media and in other aspects as well, and
[00:25:27] Peter has had trouble finding certain people for
[00:25:31] certain positions, and obviously until the fall or even
[00:25:34] later, this is going to be an ongoing process of just finding the right people,
[00:25:38] trying to find people
[00:25:40] who who the ta voters approve of, who can do the job and who are not
[00:25:44] associated with the ans regime, and this is going to be difficult thing
[00:25:47] that T and Peter are continuing to. try to
[00:26:18] i'm not very optimistic, i think the
[00:26:21] precedence that he set in the last three months are are a course for
[00:26:25] worry, and it's not just some sort of a right-wing or conservative of Fides
[00:26:29] propaganda, the internation.
[00:26:34] human rights organizations have criticized left-wing organizations of
[00:26:38] Peter's removal of president and and
[00:26:42] of all places the German left-wing
[00:26:45] establishment press have
[00:26:47] have criticized him, but I think in there's
[00:26:51] one thing that that captured me in Victor
[00:26:55] Orban's recent speech in in Romania is when he said
[00:26:59] that we are not only defending the legacy. the
[00:27:02] last 16 years of conservative national
[00:27:06] governance, we are defending what we have built up
[00:27:10] since the end of communism in the last 36 years, and that
[00:27:14] is exactly how I feel about this, this is what is happening
[00:27:18] now is an existential threat to a
[00:27:21] Hungarian democracy, and I
[00:27:24] think at the whole thing will change and the
[00:27:28] balance will change the first day the Americans actively
[00:27:32] start. to criticize
[00:27:34] the the Peter government because he
[00:27:38] is already becoming a liability and an embarrassment
[00:27:42] to his sponsors in in Germany and and Brussels, but the
[00:27:45] American administration's criticism will change the
[00:28:02] be seen. uh and I think the speech that Daniel was referring to was by
[00:28:06] Victor Ortiban, did you say, I think you might have said it was by
[00:28:08] Peter, but those words certainly sound like they were Victor
[00:28:12] Ortiban's words in Romania, um,
[00:28:16] the remains to be seen, and and actually I agree with
[00:28:19] Danielle that that NGOs, civil society groups in
[00:28:23] Hungary, it's going to be their job to criticize the
[00:28:27] government when it does wrong, to hold the
[00:28:31] government accountable to... principles like the rule of
[00:28:35] law, freedom of speech,
[00:28:38] transparency and democracy, that's certainly going to be the job
[00:28:42] the European Union as well, ideally, and
[00:28:46] the international community, that's what is happening right
[00:28:50] now, and I would certainly like to see more that going on
[00:28:54] into the
[00:31:29] With dozens of towns occupied and the south still under
[00:31:33] attack, will Israel remain in Lebanon?
[00:31:36] Representatives from both countries and the US return to the table for
[00:31:40] seventh round of talks in Rome, but with Hesboolah refusing to
[00:31:44] disarm until... Israel leaves, while Israel refuses to leave
[00:31:47] until Hezbulah disarms, can peace talks really
[00:31:51] succeed? I'm Andrea Sanki and today's newsmaker is
[00:31:55] Lebanon.
[00:32:12] Well, it's obvious you have to manage expectations when a... negotiator
[00:32:15] says, peace talks shouldn't move too quickly. that
[00:32:19] is not what hundreds of thousands of displaced people want to hear.
[00:32:23] desperate to return home, some have made their way back to villages left in ruins
[00:32:27] in southern Lebanon, with occupying Israeli forces never far
[00:32:31] away. it's added more hardship to the country marking six
[00:32:34] years since its capital city was virtually destroyed in the
[00:32:38] Bayrut port explosion. so while Lebanon's people remain as
[00:32:42] resilient as ever, will they actually get the... peace and
[00:32:45] accountability they deserve. Here's a
[00:32:48] look. The latest Israel lebanon
[00:32:51] talks aren't about negotiating another peace deal.
[00:32:55] They're about assessing whether the one already agreed can actually
[00:32:59] work. For the first time since 1993,
[00:33:03] Israeli and Lebanese officials have been meeting directly
[00:33:06] marking diplomatic breakthrough after decades without face-to-face
[00:33:10] talks. But turning that breakthrough into peace may
[00:33:14] prove. are more difficult. At the heart the framework
[00:33:18] is faced Israeli withdrawal from southern
[00:33:21] Lebanon. The first test is series of so-called pilot
[00:33:25] zones. Under the plan, Israeli forces would gradually
[00:33:28] withdraw. The Lebanese Army would take over security and the
[00:33:32] model would then be expanded elsewhere. But after weeks
[00:33:36] of negotiations, only one pilot zone has been
[00:33:39] implemented. That slow progress reflects
[00:33:43] the deeper problem. free stage the framework depends on another
[00:33:47] one. Israel once hasbullah disarmed before completing
[00:33:51] its withdrawal. Hezbulah insists there will be no
[00:33:54] disarmment while Israeli troops remain inside
[00:33:57] Lebanon. The talks also exposed one the biggest
[00:34:01] gaps in the process. Hesbullah remains outside the
[00:34:04] negotiations and rejects the very premise it's built
[00:34:08] on. We consider that all direct
[00:34:12] negotiations with Israel have brought nothing but shame.
[00:34:15] humiliation, disappointment and continuous
[00:34:18] concessions. The divisions are not confined
[00:34:21] to the negotiating table, Israeli military operations have
[00:34:25] continued across southern Lebanon, raising concerns that
[00:34:29] implementation remains far more fragile than the agreement
[00:34:32] itself. The UN interum force in Lebanon continues to
[00:34:36] observe daily Israeli violations of Lebanese
[00:34:39] airspace. Between Thursday and Sunday, peacekeepers recorded
[00:34:43] 125 air violation. with a combined total overflight
[00:34:47] time exceeding 418 hours.
[00:34:51] surveillance and arm drones were observed near or above unifill positions in both
[00:34:55] sectors. peaceekeepers also report extensive military activity
[00:34:58] on the ground in south Lebanon, including significant engineering works and
[00:35:02] active troop movements. for displaced lebanese, that's delaying
[00:35:06] any return to normal life. some families have gone back to
[00:35:10] their villages, many others are still waiting with Israeli
[00:35:14] troops.
[00:35:21] We can say that the matter cannot be measured in terms of time,
[00:35:25] but rather in terms of solutions, and the solutions are very
[00:35:29] complicated when it comes to completely withdrawing Hezballah's
[00:35:33] weapons from within Lebanon. The issue goes beyond the
[00:35:36] national sphere. It may even have regional dimension.
[00:35:40] Therefore, I believe
[00:35:42] that the timeline for the Israeli occupation. will be a long
[00:35:46] time, the negotiations have reached a new
[00:35:49] stage, the diplomacy and the conflict, however
[00:35:53] still appear to be moving on two very different tracks.
[00:35:57] so our Lebanon Israel peace talks a positive trajectory
[00:36:01] or just barely maintaining lull in this war. well joining
[00:36:48] sumed up the major problems in Lebanon, so I'm going to
[00:36:52] try as much as possible to in a few
[00:36:55] seconds to answer that, I mean, "the way
[00:36:59] what we reach at this point is say series of state
[00:37:03] collapse, regional intervention, decades
[00:37:07] of mismanaging
[00:37:11] public affairs, but now we are a very critical
[00:37:14] moment, I think an era is ending in
[00:37:18] south lebon the way we know it, but we are transitioning to something
[00:37:21] that's not very clear yet and it's being forced
[00:37:25] imposed by force." whether the Israeli force
[00:37:29] and the US support for this force and
[00:37:33] this is might bring some temporary
[00:37:37] resolution but it's not gna bring a long term and now
[00:37:40] Lebanon is in limbo is waiting for US Iran basically
[00:37:44] talks and we have these talks in Rome as you mentioned this
[00:37:48] week without clear road map maybe we have we will discuss
[00:37:52] it later in details but I think all the
[00:37:56] problems now uh I mentioned are
[00:37:59] really the culmination of it is what's happening in in
[00:38:03] South Leben at this
[00:38:28] "well they're working as they're supposed to work, which is to
[00:38:32] reaffirm Israeli-American superiority
[00:38:35] and and sovereign control over South
[00:38:39] Lebanon, and forcing the Lebanese government
[00:38:43] to comply with what Israel wants, so in
[00:38:47] that respect they are working. most the world doesn't think, I
[00:38:51] think most the region and much the world doesn't think this is a really
[00:38:54] fair and legitimate and equitable
[00:38:58] process and like the board of peace
[00:39:02] in in Gaza and some
[00:39:05] the things that were developed with
[00:39:09] Iran and the US under American pressure,
[00:39:13] these are not serious peace
[00:39:16] processes or movement towards
[00:39:19] a mechanism for peaceful
[00:39:23] coexistence in the long run, unlike say what you saw in Northern
[00:39:26] Ireland. or southern africa which did lead to an
[00:39:30] equitable peace, so in that respect, no, they're
[00:39:33] not, they're not real progress in the
[00:39:37] long run, and they, but if they can spark
[00:39:41] push by all sides to get to the
[00:39:45] next stage that is more equitable, for instance, the Lebanese
[00:39:49] should determine where do the Israelis with draw from in phase two, in
[00:39:53] phase one, the Israeli said we're getting these
[00:39:55] out areas, some of which they didn't even occupy. phase two, maybe
[00:39:58] lebanon should say, well these are the villages you got
[00:40:01] to get out of, and these are the areas you have to stop bombing.
[00:40:05] something like that could rectify the imbalances now, but
[00:40:09] that rarely happens, but we'll just have to wait and see, the Lebanese are very
[00:40:12] talented people, but it depends on whether the US comes
[00:40:16] down equitably for Israel and Lebanon or
[00:40:20] continues to push a process that favors what Israel wants. so
[00:40:24] you're saying
[00:40:25] that the pilot zones could... somehow
[00:40:28] spark the real progress, but there's
[00:40:32] this overlying concern that, well Israel has definitely
[00:40:35] highlighted this, that Hezbolah will try to return
[00:40:39] to these pilot zones, once it's established that the
[00:40:43] Lebanese army is in control, do you
[00:40:47] see that as as something quite possible, or
[00:40:50] is are you suspicious that Israel is looking for excuses to either
[00:40:54] stay as an occupier or be able to
[00:40:57] to return later, um, the, hizballah is
[00:41:01] issue, but it's not the issue, the issue is
[00:41:05] the tensions between zionist colonial
[00:41:09] expansion, american support for that, and
[00:41:12] inadequate, lebanese and arab government systems
[00:41:16] and foreign manipulation interference in
[00:41:20] the region since the 1920s, that's the real problem,
[00:41:24] so the hezballah is willing to... make like
[00:41:28] Hamas and Palestine is willing to make reasonable
[00:41:31] concessions if the core root
[00:41:35] the problem is addressed which is Israeli occupation
[00:41:38] and
[00:41:42] was born to push back Israel to get them out of Lebanon, they
[00:41:46] weren't born for anything else.
[00:42:27] tell you when it's probably not going to
[00:42:30] happen, and this is between now to October
[00:42:34] 27s, until the the elections in Israel,
[00:42:37] because what the current government is
[00:42:41] doing is looking at every strategic
[00:42:44] question from you know through the lenses
[00:42:48] the balloting boxes
[00:42:52] to the elections and right now there are
[00:42:55] still having a problem convincing the
[00:42:59] communities in the israel there was a kind of
[00:43:02] symmetry that we're doing between
[00:43:06] the israeli refugees that had to
[00:43:10] leave their homes during the war that started
[00:43:14] all this and started the reoccupation of
[00:43:17] southern Lebanon, and they are also
[00:43:21] demanding some kind of guarantees
[00:43:24] from the current government that it will not happen to
[00:43:28] them again, there are still people who moved to
[00:43:32] the center of Israel and they are not back yet because they
[00:43:36] don't feel safe, so Netanyahu right now...
[00:43:40] is looking every morning at the polls
[00:43:43] and he's not happy with what he sees
[00:43:46] and probably the good
[00:43:50] news is that in October
[00:43:53] we will have another government that will look
[00:43:57] at the Israeli international relationships
[00:44:01] and public relations of Israel a different
[00:44:04] way, different from what Netanyahu was suggesting
[00:44:08] a super sparta. he said in on the in the
[00:44:12] kness that he sees himself as the
[00:44:15] Israeli churchill that
[00:44:18] offers kind
[00:44:21] of blood tears and
[00:44:25] sweat with no deadline
[00:44:28] and the other problem is that even the
[00:44:32] Israeli opposition, the leaders the
[00:44:35] parties that will probably be in power are not
[00:44:39] mentioned. anything about withdrawal from lebanon
[00:44:43] or even talking about the two state
[00:44:45] solution, there is no leadership
[00:44:49] that is suggesting a deadline for the
[00:44:53] Israeli occupation and timeline, they are
[00:44:56] talking about sequence, first they have to stop terrorism,
[00:45:00] first we have to this make sure that to
[00:45:03] disarm and the
[00:45:06] hamas, but they don't offer anything, yeah the... blaming
[00:45:10] government for outsourcing Israel security,
[00:45:14] outsourcing to the Lebanese government, to President Trump
[00:45:18] when it comes to Iran and to the new
[00:45:22] peace council in
[00:46:24] regardless the emotion and ideological
[00:46:27] differences that are very, at the high level
[00:46:31] and lebanon, for me, I like to focus on how the policies
[00:46:34] are, obviously we have now
[00:46:38] two visions of for. One is betting
[00:46:42] on what's happening talks, the other one is betting
[00:46:46] on on the talks direct directly with Israel through yes
[00:46:50] mediation and can reach a very
[00:46:54] clear solution. now we have a framework
[00:46:57] agreement,
[00:46:58] we have especially security and you mentioned the pilot
[00:47:01] zones, they don't address the core of problem which has
[00:47:05] been in the last two years since the last fire in november
[00:47:09] 2024 is how you deal with the issue of disarmment and
[00:47:13] withdrawal. they tried the step by step, natanyaho government
[00:47:17] refused, now they are trying to violent
[00:47:19] zone. "there are
[00:47:22] some structural problems in the security annex that makes the
[00:47:26] the framework agreement unable to reach that, it's gna stop at some point
[00:47:29] because
[00:47:31] Israel withdraw,
[00:47:33] neither g, and there are no mechanism to force them to do this, so the agreement
[00:47:37] was was signed on the assumption that hizballah will voluntary
[00:47:41] accept, because neither Israel government
[00:47:44] can disarm by force as we saw in in the
[00:47:48] last year, so it's a very complex issue part of..."
[00:47:53] it it has to related to decision because the US
[00:47:56] Iran talks, part of it are libanese Israeli, long
[00:48:00] decades of of
[00:48:03] tension, especially what most
[00:48:07] ofeses perceive as continuous
[00:48:10] Israeli aggression as we see in the last strick in Beirot just
[00:48:14] before the last spire, and we have problems inside Lebanon, which is the
[00:48:18] relation between the government and Hazbullah, how it will be
[00:48:21] after after. Yeah, these stocks or whatever is happening
[00:48:25] on the border, so those are all complex issue, but but the
[00:48:29] framework agreement presented by the US now in this
[00:48:33] talks doesn't dissolve resolve the same, the core dilemma or the
[00:48:37] core problem, what's happening in
[00:49:02] linked. They're not only linked in short-term that the Iranians are
[00:49:05] insisting that the fighting stop in Lebanon for the
[00:49:09] US, Iran uh and Israel, Iran fighting to
[00:49:13] stop, they're linked a very much more important
[00:49:16] and older way, which people in the west,
[00:49:20] and I think in Israel uh... probably, but akiva can tell us more on
[00:49:24] that, the people don't understand very well, the
[00:49:27] the in the middle east today that are
[00:49:31] most active in resisting Israel in the
[00:49:34] US are Lebanon, Palestine,
[00:49:37] Iran. What do those four
[00:49:41] countries have in common? They are the countries that probably have been
[00:49:45] more ravaged, manipulated, occupied,
[00:49:48] humiliated, and and overall '
[00:49:53] beaten up by western and or Israeli
[00:49:57] colonial interventions in the last 120
[00:50:00] years,
[00:50:01] Iran, and Yemen, it's
[00:50:05] not by accident that these countries
[00:50:09] together continue to push back, and and
[00:50:12] for and saying, you can't
[00:50:15] forcibly disarm somebody like Hisballah,
[00:50:19] because they've tried it in Leban, in Gaza with H. with a
[00:50:23] massive force destroying gaza and they've
[00:50:27] tried it in Iran and it hasn't worked, you
[00:50:30] so if if the Israelis and
[00:50:32] Americans and and
[00:50:35] Palestine, they're not going to get anywhere in Lebanon, that's why they've
[00:50:39] come up with this sort of make
[00:50:43] believe political process in
[00:50:46] Lebanon starting in Rome, which is nice place to start buse,
[00:50:50] it's a great place to visit, but now... they're really not
[00:50:54] getting anywhere very significant because they're running up against the
[00:50:57] core issue of of hizballah has to
[00:51:01] be involved any negotiations like the Vietnam war like
[00:51:05] the Taliban war and like Hamas was eventually you've got to sit with
[00:51:09] Hizballah and the Lebanese government all together. I don't think the
[00:51:12] Lebanese government and Hizballah will have a problem in reaching an
[00:51:16] agreement ultimately. The problem is more with the Israelis
[00:51:20] and the and the... and
[00:51:23] possibly the Iranians, but yes,
[00:51:51] part of this greater israel. that one would hope with
[00:51:54] the next election will be diminished, but how
[00:51:58] serious are the chances that it won't be diminished and Israel has every
[00:52:02] motivation to keep holding to the land it's taken
[00:52:05] believing it is
[00:52:06] theirs,
[00:52:11] the Israeli people have lost faith in
[00:52:15] the
[00:52:15] in the kness, in the government, and this
[00:52:19] is, as I mentioned, this is something that
[00:52:23] hopefully will change in October,
[00:52:26] but we hope that the next prime minister will
[00:52:30] probably be the best chances is Gady
[00:52:34] Isencore. who was a chief of staff
[00:52:37] and i know him quite well and i
[00:52:40] believe that unlike Netanjal he
[00:52:44] doesn't believe that the name the game
[00:52:48] is catch as much as you can territories,
[00:52:51] if the hizballah will
[00:52:54] strike the Israeli northern communities
[00:52:58] then we will occupy 5 kilometers
[00:53:02] then if they strike the Israeli forges
[00:53:06] or they undermined the Israeli
[00:53:09] occupation along the new line, then we
[00:53:12] capture more land, this is the
[00:53:16] same thing they are doing in Gaza,
[00:53:19] holding more than 60% the
[00:53:23] territories of Gaza, and in the West Bank, next year we
[00:53:27] will mark 60 years to the occupation the west
[00:53:31] bank, and if you ask the Israeli, "the
[00:53:35] average Israeli, who most them were born after
[00:53:38] 67, born into the situation of
[00:53:42] occupation, they will tell you that we can't afford to give
[00:53:46] up territories, because this is the only guarantee
[00:53:50] we have for our security,
[00:53:54] they will tell you, no, we are not interested in territories, it's all
[00:53:58] about security, now you
[00:54:04] know that there is..." something else that they can lose, it's not
[00:54:07] just security, and security is not
[00:54:10] equal to territories, as
[00:54:14] Rami said, this is colonialism, and colonialism is
[00:54:18] bad for me, is bad for my children, because
[00:54:22] the Palestinians or the Lebanese, more than
[00:54:26] 300 thousand people, including
[00:54:28] children, and old people will not forget
[00:54:32] what's happening
[00:54:33] in 26, it will take the... decades to come to
[00:54:36] terms with the existence of Israel and to believe the
[00:54:40] Israelis that what is not what
[00:54:43] Netanyahu was suggesting an extra
[00:54:47] large sparta
[00:54:49] okay and peace initiative waiting
[00:54:53] for us on the shelf and we just need to pick it
[00:55:48] 4th that went from downtown to the port and and
[00:55:52] you see the families of of of those died on
[00:55:56] that day and you see that after six years, it's
[00:56:00] not about what the the state did do or
[00:56:04] not do, but what allowed to happen that you have those
[00:56:07] natural basically that crossed all the security
[00:56:10] person personnel in the airport and arrived, until
[00:56:14] now not one person was was
[00:56:17] detained, not one press conference by any government official to explain the
[00:56:21] process, there's now an indictment, it's going through
[00:56:25] clearance, there's now public pressure to
[00:56:29] released by the end the year, we are hearing that maybe
[00:56:32] there are 70 might be indicted. It's it's gna be
[00:56:36] across political class, not only one
[00:56:40] one major political party, we have in
[00:56:43] 2019 the collapse and all the
[00:56:47] what happened, so we we have a state basically who
[00:56:51] killed this people and let the financial collapse and is
[00:56:55] unable to to have clear foreign policy and protect the
[00:56:58] border, so this is defining moment I think for the garden government,
[00:57:02] for the garden president to basically allow...
[00:57:06] to have some to make sure that there's a
[00:57:10] trial and to make sure that this can repeat
[00:57:14] again because It's hard
[00:57:17] to imagine, I think uh, what the big of explosion was
[00:57:21] on August 4, 2013, yeah, and it it could prove a unifier if
[00:57:25] handled finally with real accountability, but
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