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[00:00:00] are very powerful, very good, but we wouldn't have been using them, we
[00:00:04] could have used something else, but these are uh,
[00:00:08] a little bit older type, equally as
[00:00:10] effective, and uh, we it, it's things that we have so
[00:00:14] much,
[00:00:14] of plus we have supplies of uh, munitions all over the world that
[00:00:18] if we ever needed them, we'd take that, we're supplied all over
[00:00:22] the world,
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[00:00:24] of of but uh, we have,
[00:00:25] of we're in very, very good shape. Russia seems to have increased their attacks
[00:00:29] on C
[00:00:33] of look, we're not involved from the standpoint, it's
[00:00:37] uh, we're separated by an
[00:00:38] of ocean, but hate to see 25,00 young people a month
[00:00:42] get killed, and that's what's happening between Russia and
[00:00:45] a Ukraine, they're losing average 25,000, mostly
[00:00:49] soldiers a month,
[00:00:52] of and we're working on it, and I think we're
[00:00:54] of making progress,
[00:00:56] of but it's a violent, very violent war, there's a lot of hatred in that
[00:00:59] of war, lot. hatred between the two
[00:01:01] of leaders, I settle eight wars, I thought this would be maybe one
[00:01:04] of the easier ones and it turned out to be the most difficult, but
[00:01:08] progress is being made. Thank you very much
[00:01:12] of of of everybody,
[00:01:17] oh you've just
[00:01:17] of been listening there to uh Donald Trump who's been addressing
[00:01:20] reporters at the Oval Office and uh
[00:01:24] he's made few points, he said on
[00:01:26] of Iran, he said that I think the war will end pretty soon.
[00:01:30] and Trump also signed
[00:01:32] of executive orders restricting what he called birth tourism, expanding
[00:01:36] the definition of people that are ineligible for birthr
[00:01:40] citizenship following the Supreme Court Quach
[00:01:43] in his previous attempts to revert it, and on
[00:01:46] munitions Trump said that we have massive amounts
[00:01:51] a of ammunition, and he has obviously have been denying
[00:01:54] a reports that the US is suffering ammunitions
[00:01:58] shortage and we'll... Continue to keep an eye on what Donald
[00:02:02] Trump is speaking about uh right now. All right,
[00:02:06] bigger than five is coming up next here on TRT World.
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[00:02:51] As some of European governments stop doing business with illegal Israeli
[00:02:54] settlements, a British member of parliament tells us why the UK must do
[00:02:58] the same. "we know that when we want to, we
[00:03:02] can impose these uh sanctions. we did it for crimea
[00:03:06] occupied by Russia and
[00:03:08] of other parts of Ukraine. we within weeks managed
[00:03:11] implement a system that we did not purchase any goods from
[00:03:15] that region. and the push to uphold international
[00:03:19] law moves beyond politics. should sport take a stand where
[00:03:23] governments at field? football is the most popular game on the
[00:03:27] planet when you begin to remove team from football. only does it, does
[00:03:31] of it,
[00:03:31] a does it demonstrate that this is unacceptable behavior internationally, it demonstrates to
[00:03:35] in
[00:03:36] of in actually Israelelis within Israel, you're being removed for
[00:03:39] a reason. hello, i'm ridri, welcome to the
[00:03:42] program. the European Union is debating banning trade with
[00:03:46] of illegal Israeli settlements in east Jerusalem and the west
[00:03:49] bank.
[00:03:50] in a 2024 landmark advisory opinion, the international court of
[00:03:54] justice found Israel's entire presence in the occupied Palestinian
[00:03:57] territory to be unlawful. calling on Israel to stop
[00:04:01] settlement activities and evacuate all settlers. the
[00:04:05] court also called on all states to abstain from economic or trade
[00:04:08] dealings that would maintain the current situation. despite
[00:04:12] deadlock in the European Union, several member states have enacted their own
[00:04:16] settlement trade bans. the Netherlands announced a ban on settlement
[00:04:20] goods starting in September, joining
[00:04:24] of of Ireland, Belgium and Spain. In Britain, members of parliament debated the issue in
[00:04:27] of July, the UK government responded by saying it was examining how a
[00:04:30] ban could be
[00:04:32] a implemented. Sharkat Adam, an independent member
[00:04:34] of the British Parliament, visited the occupied West Bank Clause, he has
[00:04:38] long back the trade ban and joins us
[00:04:42] of now. Shokat Adam, the Netherlands and
[00:04:45] of Belgium have moved to ban trade with goods from illegal Israeli
[00:04:48] settlements. Should the UK do the same? The
[00:04:52] short answer to that question is, yes, I think it's come to point where we must
[00:04:56] absolutely
[00:04:56] of abandon, not just importing, but also exporting and not just... goods, but
[00:05:00] also
[00:05:01] of services, but is that likely to happen, the UK
[00:05:04] does accept that Israeli settlements are illegal under international law, if
[00:05:08] that's the case, should British businesses be allowed to continue?
[00:05:12] reading with these settlements? you're absolutely right, it's been 50
[00:05:16] years since governments and successive governments have categorically
[00:05:20] stated that the settlements in the west bank are illegal,
[00:05:23] hence we know it's illegal and it's our duty uh to
[00:05:27] ensure that we follow that through, we've had words for so long uh
[00:05:31] and now with new prime minister hopefully it's pointing in the right
[00:05:35] direction, but it's the proof is in the pudding right, and it must be
[00:05:38] services as well as goods, exports as well as imports.
[00:05:42] but how likely is anything to really change? is the UK at
[00:05:46] risk of being in breach of international law if it continues this trade?
[00:05:50] we saw the outcome the previous prime minister's stance
[00:05:54] on on the whole situation, they've starting to make some apologies that
[00:05:58] maybe we didn't respond correctly and and appropriately and and
[00:06:01] acutely as fast as we should have, now is the time for action and we will continue
[00:06:05] to hold the government to account on that. are you confident that the new
[00:06:09] government will take the appropriate action and if it doesn't, what? will it send
[00:06:13] to the Israeli government and to
[00:06:15] Palestinians? I'm
[00:06:18] never confident, I'm hopeful, and and I think it will
[00:06:22] change, one day it will change because it has been
[00:06:25] now a sequence of
[00:06:28] Mr.miners, it's been sequence of neglect of laws that we
[00:06:32] ourselves have created, so for example we
[00:06:35] we we we know that when we want to we can impose these
[00:06:39] sanctions, we did it for crimea occupied uh
[00:06:43] uh by Russia and other parts of Ukraine, we within
[00:06:47] weeks will manage implement a system that we did not
[00:06:51] purchase any goods from that region, so we have the know-how, we have
[00:06:55] the mechanism, we have, as you correctly said, the law also telling
[00:06:58] us that we must implement this, otherwise it will
[00:07:02] be the a traversty of international justice, and we will never
[00:07:06] be able to look back again and call out injustices like we have done
[00:07:09] historically, but
[00:07:10] what is clearly missing is the political will... isn't it? you were one of just
[00:07:14] few MPs calling for greater scrutiny of pro
[00:07:18] Israel lobbying groups and influence on british
[00:07:21] politics? how much has that influence shaped UK
[00:07:25] policy on Israel? all we asking for is consistency here, it doesn't have to be
[00:07:29] just Israel, because let's be perfectly honest, lot of people are trying to label this as
[00:07:32] anti-semitic when we speak about one country, but all we asking for is
[00:07:36] consistency here, and and and any foreign
[00:07:40] government, any foreign a... agents foreign interference into
[00:07:44] any other country's politics and and in this case British politics
[00:07:48] must be investigated, so hence we were asking at that
[00:07:52] particular debate that why the inequity, why was it then
[00:07:56] as a country, I have been extremely proud that once
[00:07:59] Ukraine was invaded, why did we open up borders and give homes and
[00:08:03] safe pathways and give university spaces and why did
[00:08:06] we ope rais a flight of every
[00:08:10] every building that we had and why did we impose those
[00:08:14] economic and cultural and political sanctions against Russia? but the
[00:08:18] question more specifically is about the level to which
[00:08:21] pro Israel groups influence British politics, to what extent
[00:08:25] do they shape the decisions that come out of 10 Downing Street and the British
[00:08:29] government on Israel? was the inquiry that we're
[00:08:33] asking for? we're not saying that is certainly the case,
[00:08:35] but with that what we're saying is why is it that when when when we
[00:08:39] can the prime minister can say that time guys?
[00:08:43] with full conviction in his voice that war
[00:08:47] crimes are being committed, why can he say that
[00:08:50] you know that we can impose sanctions
[00:08:53] immediately, but
[00:08:54] we do not see the equivalence during this conflict, so what is it
[00:08:58] that is happening, that means that we are not responding in the
[00:09:02] same way, but the question is really about how much you
[00:09:06] believe pro Israel lobbying influences
[00:09:10] British policy on Israel? "the answer is that's
[00:09:14] the that's what we need to investigate and we need to find out what what
[00:09:18] influence they do have, when we had that debate in the chamber, it was
[00:09:21] shut down from the beginning as almost being an anti-semitic question to ask.
[00:09:25] as I said before, it's
[00:09:27] what it is what we are asking for to understand why there hasn't
[00:09:31] been the equivalence in response and is it because
[00:09:35] the influence from uh from from from the state from Israel
[00:09:38] influence, how much transparency is there in the..." british
[00:09:42] parliament on policy toward Israel, because recently revealed
[00:09:46] assessment shows that the British government seriously
[00:09:49] considered suspending trade with Israel last
[00:09:52] summer, why wasn't that assessment shared with MPs and the wider
[00:09:56] public? something that we have raised and we have
[00:10:00] signed open letters to that account, including in
[00:10:04] my question is uh factories that
[00:10:08] are making parts that are being used in the
[00:10:11] con in
[00:10:13] the the murder of innocent Palestinians, members
[00:10:17] from those firms were meeting ministers and I'm speaking specifically
[00:10:21] here by Albit and we have question.
[00:10:25] to answer, the government has questions to answer, why is it that you are
[00:10:28] meeting uh members from this organization and what is it, and
[00:10:32] and similar goes to charities as well, why there is
[00:10:36] evidence to suggest that there are British tax
[00:10:40] payers using gift aid gif donating to certain
[00:10:43] charities which are operating in the illegal west bank, we
[00:10:47] need transparency and all these matters, and some these charities
[00:10:51] you have accused of facilitating the movement of?
[00:10:55] citizens to illegal Israeli settlements, charities that are
[00:10:58] getting tax break from the government, is that something that
[00:11:02] continues? we had a land sale in our
[00:11:05] capital in London, a land sale for illegal land
[00:11:09] in
[00:11:09] the in the west bank, and now we have the government that gives us
[00:11:13] rhetoric that you know it is unacceptable and they
[00:11:16] believe as I said for the last 50 years that
[00:11:19] it is illegal, yet there are land, there is land
[00:11:22] being sold on. soil in
[00:11:26] illegal for the illegal land in west bank, and that is something
[00:11:30] that we have to hold our government to account, why are we allowing this to
[00:11:34] happen? on the issue the government considering the
[00:11:37] suspension of trade with Israel, should parliament have been told that the
[00:11:41] government was considering such a significant policy change, and what does the
[00:11:45] lack of transparency actually tell us about decision making on
[00:11:48] Israel? it has all
[00:11:51] been
[00:11:52] uh poke and daggers from the beginning, because we get told one thing in... parliament and then something else happens
[00:11:56] and that has been a consistent theme in my since my two years being
[00:12:00] elected uh we had for the first time debate which my
[00:12:03] colleague abdisam mohammed an MP from Sheffield
[00:12:07] brought to the chamber and it was unequivocal overwhelmingly across the
[00:12:11] chamber people wanted sanctions and the government has now a
[00:12:15] duty and the new prime minister has a duty to ensure that is
[00:12:19] that is now implemented. the new prime minister has actually apologized for the
[00:12:23] labour party's initial response to gas. "and he's promised a tougher
[00:12:26] response and tougher approach to Israel, but is it
[00:12:30] in your opinion a genuine policy shift or just a change in tone
[00:12:34] and rhetoric? I'm going to give him a few a little bit more time to before
[00:12:38] I judge him, but this is a
[00:12:41] continuity of previous prime ministers and previous
[00:12:45] governments, the the tone is different and we welcome that,
[00:12:49] but people will only be judged by their action, so let me give you an
[00:12:52] example, we had a military..." in fmbrah in in the
[00:12:56] United Kingdom where firms were exhibiting
[00:13:00] their military goods, which included firms from
[00:13:03] Israel, there was Raphael, there was a2i, and there was
[00:13:07] elbit, okay, and now these firms when they had the same
[00:13:11] exhibition in France were behind a black veil,
[00:13:15] yet these were openly presenting their wears in the
[00:13:18] UK, now Andy Burnham said he was, he welcomed
[00:13:22] this fair and wanted to do business, with these light-minded
[00:13:26] people. now maybe it was, he was very early in his term, and he wasn't
[00:13:30] quite sure, so what was being exhibited there, so I will give him that benefit the
[00:13:33] doubt, but we must see actions. we need
[00:13:36] immediate economic uh sanctions, we need immediate
[00:13:40] service sanctions against Israel, and we must see that
[00:13:44] any charities must be transparent to the reports that they have
[00:13:48] been accused of straight away, and any red line that must be
[00:13:51] crossed must be clearly defined by the prime minister. how likely is that? happened though when you
[00:13:55] look at the cabinet members that Andy Burnham has chosen,
[00:13:59] many senior members the cabinet are labor friends of Israel, does
[00:14:03] that limit how far the government is willing to go, and that
[00:14:07] is something that we will continually push the government on, and
[00:14:11] we saw that the Kier Starmer's response has led him to leave the parliament,
[00:14:15] and I'm
[00:14:15] not saying it was sold because of this issue, but it was very, very strong reasons.
[00:14:19] I overturned a huge majority standing on the right side, what I
[00:14:23] believe was on the right side of? history, other cabinet
[00:14:26] ministers came very close to losing their seats fundamentally
[00:14:30] for this reason. you've accused the former British government of being
[00:14:33] complicit in Israel's alleged war crimes in
[00:14:37] Gaza. Are you saying Britain is complicit morally,
[00:14:41] politically or legally? I think all
[00:14:44] three. we said never again after World War II, yet we are seeing on our live
[00:14:48] screens a genocide according to United Nations Convention happening.
[00:14:52] We have a duty to ensure a genocide. does not occur, war crimes does
[00:14:56] not occur, why are we still selling
[00:14:59] parts uh of to of fighter jets to Israel
[00:15:03] that is responsible for the murder of innocent men, women and children, we have
[00:15:07] a duty legally as part of united nation as part the statute,
[00:15:11] rome statute that we must ensure a genocide and war crime does not
[00:15:15] happen, even if we have no evidence at that time whether it's happening or not, we must do
[00:15:19] everything in our capability to prevent it from happening, hence the
[00:15:23] fact that we haven't taken those measures, "we also have been using
[00:15:26] uh, let's say second example is we have had surveillance planes there, we've had
[00:15:30] British aid workers being killed, yet with the surveillance
[00:15:34] planes have not released the information that they hold. why? why
[00:15:38] do we still have diplomatic times with people? why have we not
[00:15:42] ensured that we would arrest
[00:15:46] Benjamin Netanyahu as per the recommendations? we we
[00:15:50] said the same for for Putin, so these are the things that will make
[00:15:54] will ensure that we are on the wrong side of history, that we are
[00:15:57] morally, we are politically and we are legally responsible for
[00:16:01] what is happening and complicit in the war crimes. you visited the occupied west
[00:16:05] bank and you witness the settler violence. Palestinians
[00:16:08] often under the watchful eye the
[00:16:11] IDF. What struck you the most? What
[00:16:14] struck me the most what that every aspect of Palestini
[00:16:18] was being curtailed, was being abused, was being
[00:16:21] eroded. Whole towns being closed with
[00:16:25] thousands of people with absolutely no warning, culturally
[00:16:29] uh, they're being eroded. Every aspect of Palestinian life I
[00:16:33] saw in the week that was there, including religious, I was being interrupted
[00:16:37] as well. so there wasn't an avenue the palestinian life in the west bank that
[00:16:40] was not being controlled and interrupted by the Israelies. how do you
[00:16:44] think history few years from now will judge Britain's role and
[00:16:48] its response to these atrocities in the west bank in
[00:16:52] Gaza, especially given Britain's historical role in
[00:16:55] Palestine? we have more duty than most, but
[00:16:58] and keep reiterating the fact we said never again, we were the
[00:17:02] architectures the international bodies that we we
[00:17:06] we created to... sure we have fair and just world and this
[00:17:10] global justice based order seems to be collapsing and Britain
[00:17:14] will not be looked up on favorably, and
[00:17:16] you know we have spent most of our lives in my lifetime apologizing for
[00:17:20] the stance that Margaret thatcher and the conservative government took against apartide South
[00:17:24] Africa. I feel this will be exactly the same but a different
[00:17:27] scale. We will be on the wrong side of history, we will
[00:17:31] find that if we do not act sooner, it could
[00:17:35] even get worse, we must act from. British member of
[00:17:39] parliament, Shalkat Adam, thank you so much. Thank you,
[00:17:43] thank you for giving me the opportunity.
[00:17:47] It's not just trade with illegal Israeli settlements that's under growing
[00:17:50] scrutiny. Israel's participation in major sporting
[00:17:53] events is also in the spotlight. In 2025, the
[00:17:57] football Association of Ireland overwhelmingly backed motion to call on
[00:18:01] UEFA, football's governing body in Europe, to ban Israel
[00:18:05] from competitions citing violations the. UEFA statutes, but
[00:18:09] the association's president insisted that Ireland would play Israel if drawn
[00:18:13] against them in competition, and they were, now many in the game are backing a
[00:18:16] boycott the matches later this year, among them is Daniel
[00:18:20] Lambert, the chief commercial officer at Bohemian FC, one of
[00:18:24] Ireland's top football clubs. He's also manager the band
[00:18:27] k and joins us
[00:18:29] now. Daniel Lambert, some
[00:18:33] European governments are taking action against Israel's illegal occupation, but from
[00:18:37] most it's still business is usual. if politicians fail
[00:18:41] to act, just how crucial is the role of civil society.
[00:18:45] yeah, huge pair of rests with people, and I think we often forget that
[00:18:49] the the governments across the world have abdicated their legal responsibilities, their moral
[00:18:53] responsibilities, the responsibility to prevent the worst crimes known
[00:18:56] to to humanity, but people and true
[00:19:00] some sports, ordinary working class, people through boycots
[00:19:04] and they they hold huge power and ireland.
[00:19:07] "um,
[00:19:08] you know, we have had crucial role in the past in this, we had a group of of
[00:19:11] workers who worked a a grocery store in Dublin
[00:19:15] in the 1980s, led by a 19-year-old woman called Mary
[00:19:19] Manning who um, helped to bring down a party in South
[00:19:23] Africa by refusing to handle South African goods and a checkout, and that's just one
[00:19:26] example, and I think that when an artist steps onto a stage or footballer onto
[00:19:30] a pitch or actor onto set, they have huge power,
[00:19:34] huge profile, and they can do more maybe than they realize and..." "we
[00:19:37] should support everybody who who does that,
[00:19:41] because like like I said, when governments aren't willing to act,
[00:19:45] it's up to people and the real power restful people. there was a
[00:19:48] massive global solidarity movement in South Africa, but are you
[00:19:52] sensing anything similar on the global stage today when it comes
[00:19:56] to Israel and Palestine? are you seeing real
[00:19:59] change? i think that what what we're seeing
[00:20:03] on the one hand, i think it's one the biggest global movements that has been in decades."
[00:20:07] um against uh Israeli aggression and Israeli genocide
[00:20:11] and Israeli war crimes, but on
[00:20:13] the other hand what we're seeing is um an
[00:20:16] absolute abject failure and particularly I'd say the
[00:20:20] EU, the EU's claims that it represents
[00:20:23] you know
[00:20:24] moral position, the absolute refusal to uh to to
[00:20:27] withdraw the the preferential trade agreement between the EU and Israel, which is
[00:20:31] predominantly being blocked by Germany, the these are absurdities, the US
[00:20:34] is
[00:20:35] the the US as we know is moral standing anyway and the EU has has almost no more
[00:20:39] world standing either um, but I do think that
[00:20:42] the the movement of people will succeed and I think that what we're seeing
[00:20:46] um we're seen it in football, we're seen it in music and we're seeing it...
[00:20:50] um with civil society and I think that we can't um we cannot
[00:20:54] lose faith and lose hope in that
[00:20:56] you know we can bring about change and I do think that you're seeing in the US I think in
[00:21:00] particular um on the one hand
[00:21:02] you know a further embedding the US military system with the Israeli
[00:21:06] system but also I think what you're seeing is is is awareness
[00:21:10] probably a bigger awareness than ever the depth the
[00:21:14] Israeli lobby people are more aware of that now than ever and I think
[00:21:17] that
[00:21:18] the these things will all converge to. point where where we can
[00:21:22] um Israel can be held to account. there is much more
[00:21:26] awareness, you're right, a popular level across the world, but what
[00:21:29] would convince you that we have reached a tipping
[00:21:32] point? well really with to reach tipping point, what
[00:21:36] we need to see is governments act on their legal
[00:21:39] responsibilities, and these include for instance, we've seen
[00:21:43] various countries ignore the responsibilities in terms the arrest
[00:21:47] of um Netanyahu and other members the... israely government who are wanted for
[00:21:51] war crimes um, but I think the EU is where
[00:21:54] really uh we we should and can and will, I think
[00:21:58] begin to see movement, I think Spain in particular has been very strong
[00:22:01] and I'm sad to say and I will I will say because the truth the Irish government does not do
[00:22:05] enough at all, the Irish government doesn't represent the wishes the Irish people um in
[00:22:09] terms of of Palestine, they they say some nice things and they take small
[00:22:13] steps, but very little concrete action, and um you know
[00:22:17] I think a lot more can be done, what more can be done? I mean
[00:22:20] specifically, where do you see the most leverage? I
[00:22:24] think there needs to be action taken, it's not enough just to attend to
[00:22:27] solidarity uh demonstration,
[00:22:29] you know, you need to actually take concrete action, but that's the boycott movement. I do think the increase
[00:22:33] awareness though, like I think that you noir Starmer's
[00:22:37] resignation, I think a significant part to that was his
[00:22:41] absolute uh know,
[00:22:42] refusal to
[00:22:45] um, you uphold the UK's legal and moral responsibilities, particularly from somebody who claimed to be
[00:22:49] an international. human rights law in the past, but are you hopeful that the next government will be any
[00:22:53] different? well, I think if they're aware that that's part the reason that that car is no longer
[00:22:57] in position and then it will change some their behaviors. I think that
[00:23:01] um, look, we should be under uh illusion here, the the task ahead
[00:23:05] is massive, um, it's wrapped up a military industrial complex, it's wrapped
[00:23:08] up in huge finance, and it's wrapped up with the you know with
[00:23:12] the you more or less the hegemonic world power in the US at the moment, backing Israel
[00:23:15] just again inexplicably on every level, financially, militarily, with support,
[00:23:20] intelligence um and with thats to other nations um which is part the
[00:23:24] reason that Ireland doesn't do more because the the US the role US multinationals in this
[00:23:27] country so there's never been probably a bigger challenge uh this this
[00:23:31] is um something that you know
[00:23:34] it is a David situation but I do feel and I do
[00:23:38] believe in the
[00:23:39] in in humanity and there our areas where they can't control um
[00:23:43] what can be said and impact it can have and like one example of that obviously and
[00:23:47] which which I'm which I'm close to in terms of managing necap. is the ability of artists
[00:23:51] when they step onto a stage and they can speak to 40, 50, 60 thousand young people
[00:23:54] immediately speak to millions of people with social media, likewise football
[00:23:58] clubs and and and footballers and and all that
[00:24:02] space in music, sport and culture, you can speak to large numbers of
[00:24:05] people, how much impact did k cap have on the whole
[00:24:08] discussion, the whole debate on Palestine, Israel? I think it's
[00:24:12] hard to overstate, I think ultimately where you know when the the band went
[00:24:16] to Coachella last April, it was obviously it's it's a huge f'. festival, it's
[00:24:20] probably the one the most well-known festivals globally and and
[00:24:24] the most well-known in the US and they went there and decided to speak
[00:24:28] truth to audience of young Americans and what was
[00:24:32] most fascinating and I was looking enough
[00:24:33] to to be at that gig um was the reaction the young US people
[00:24:37] in in at that gig, they all chanted free Palestine, they all understood,
[00:24:41] they all showed solidarity and that is what absolutely scared the US
[00:24:45] establishment, it was never about k, it was never about this band, what it
[00:24:49] was about was... happens in a space like coachella where a band
[00:24:53] not just hangs a flag a drum that that's better than not doing anything but
[00:24:56] it's pretty pointless that's the acceptable face of solid in the
[00:25:00] US when you speak out and you say that the US is supporting
[00:25:03] the genocide
[00:25:03] and the US were threw a support the genocide stops which is what Nik did that
[00:25:07] absolutely terrified them because if they lose the young people in the US th
[00:25:11] ultimately Israel loses US support and of course one the
[00:25:14] biggest stages for people to express their
[00:25:17] solidarity with the... cause has been
[00:25:21] football and the FIFA World Cup,
[00:25:24] and there's been this intense debate about whether or
[00:25:28] not double standards can be removed, whether every country can
[00:25:31] be treated equally, we saw how Russia was suspended
[00:25:35] from international sport and football, we don't see the same treatment for
[00:25:39] Israel. Are you optimistic that things could change? Absolutely
[00:25:43] not, the fact that Iran had to travel from Mexico against the rules the
[00:25:47] game is outrageous, the game is... is governed by some the
[00:25:51] worst people
[00:25:51] on on earth, and I don't say that lightly, it's a working class game, it's meant to
[00:25:55] bring people together, and FIFA and UWFA are disgraced,
[00:25:59] and um, the clearest example is that
[00:26:02] as well. Israel is in breach of UEFA and FIFA statute, it's not my
[00:26:06] opinion, I've said this before, this is not a subjective issue, it's an absolutely objective
[00:26:10] fact that they have teams playing on occupied lands 10 teams, it's
[00:26:14] not under any dispute internationally, and the penalty under FIFA and UEFA
[00:26:17] statute for teams playing on occupied lands is suspension and explosion, it's
[00:26:21] already written into their statutes, so you have once again this inexplicable position
[00:26:25] to protect one nation, Israel, the republic of ireland
[00:26:29] is due to play Israel in the nations league later this... do
[00:26:33] you believe that Ireland should refuse its fixtures with the
[00:26:37] Israeli team, even if it means sanctions against Irish football,
[00:26:40] absolutely, Ireland should not play Israel in Ireland over the last couple of months and I'm proud to
[00:26:44] stop the game campaign here, we have had survey of Irish football
[00:26:48] supporters, 76% don't want the games to take place irrespective of
[00:26:51] penalties, these are people actually travel to Ireland games, fans the Irish national
[00:26:55] team, we had a survey the professional players association, the PFAI
[00:26:59] here, and I think
[00:27:01] it was 64%. 3% of professional players don't want the game to go
[00:27:04] ahead, we have the full back in of all unions in Ireland, and top
[00:27:08] of that we had like a an independent um survey
[00:27:12] done the general population and it was 56% the general population, there is
[00:27:16] no support in Ireland for this game amongst football players, football
[00:27:20] fans or indeed amongst the general population. What's the evidence that these sporting
[00:27:24] boycots actually do work and change government's
[00:27:27] behaviors? there's huge evidence to sit the work, we saw what south
[00:27:31] africa, there was absolute sustained uh system the
[00:27:35] removal of South Africa from international sports and wrestling and football across the
[00:27:39] board and ultimately football is the most popular game on the planet when you begin to
[00:27:43] remove team from football not only does it does it does it
[00:27:46] demonstrate that this is unacceptable behavior internationally it demonstrates to
[00:27:50] actually Israels within Israel you're being removed for
[00:27:53] reason you need to take action against your government
[00:27:56] you need to change what your government is doing so it has impact on both sides and i think
[00:28:00] that you know it'll be really sad "Ireland decides
[00:28:03] to fulfill that fixture, it's already been moved outside of Ireland to Serbia, it should
[00:28:07] not go ahead and there is no support for the game to proceed, and we see universal
[00:28:11] support for the game not to take place amongst the fans of League of Arland clubs
[00:28:14] including our own club here, Bohemians, but every other club in
[00:28:17] the league as well, and it's something that can have lot of impact and it shouldn't take
[00:28:20] place. Daniel Lambert, thanks so much for joining
[00:28:23] us, thanks lot, clear
[00:28:27] shift is underway across Europe and around the world, the demand
[00:28:31] that Israel's..." carry consequences is growing
[00:28:34] louder, although the European Union has failed to reach a collective
[00:28:38] position, increasing number of states are no longer willing to wait for
[00:28:42] consensus, when political leaders refuse to meet their legal and
[00:28:46] moral responsibilities, the burden shifts to civil
[00:28:49] society, from sport and culture, to academia and
[00:28:52] business. history has repeatedly shown that meaningful changes
[00:28:56] often driven not by governments, but by the people. that's all
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