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[00:00:00] "I do understand the concerns and the need also to
[00:00:04] respond maybe from some member states, but internal
[00:00:08] border checks should
[00:00:09] of definitely of be, I would say the
[00:00:11] of in last resort measures where only where necessary and and
[00:00:15] where it's proportionate. In sports news, the
[00:00:19] former Liverpool star Muhammad Salah has signed two-year
[00:00:22] deal with the Turkish super league side traps on
[00:00:25] of sport. This is the biggest signing into the top football league this season
[00:00:29] and thousands of..." Fans are celebrating his arriv
[00:00:32] arrival. Traps on Sport is one of Turkey's top teams. They
[00:00:36] finished third last season and have won the Super League title
[00:00:40] seven times. The last couple of
[00:00:44] days, it's an experience I never had in my life. I
[00:00:48] just want to thank everyone of you for
[00:00:50] of being here today and yesterday. You shows me so much
[00:00:54] love and I never expect that
[00:00:57] reception. Um, I'm here. "i'm here to
[00:01:00] win, i want to win something with this club, because you guys show
[00:01:04] me so much love,
[00:01:07] of and um, i really, really appreciate that, i want to thank the
[00:01:11] president also for make that happen, and i'm very
[00:01:14] of happy to be here and i can't wait to see you
[00:01:18] in a picture again, w's footballing
[00:01:22] governing body UEFA says it will continue with its boycott
[00:01:25] of the men's and women's world cups as well as other tournaments
[00:01:29] organized." by FIFA and that's despite FIFA president Jenny Infantino publicly
[00:01:33] apologizing for his now abandoned plan to sell off
[00:01:37] a stake in the men's women in the men's world cup
[00:01:41] to
[00:01:41] a private enterprise. Several senior FIFA figures have now pledged
[00:01:45] support for Infantino in his re-election bid next year, but
[00:01:49] Efer says that means nothing. And
[00:01:52] in a statement, European Football's governing body has said
[00:01:56] UEFA's associations were very clear about the condition.
[00:02:00] attached to the non-participation in FIFA competitions.
[00:02:04] Yesterday's announcement that some people employed by the FIFA
[00:02:08] President and
[00:02:08] of whose careers depend on his favor, agree with him,
[00:02:12] changes
[00:02:31] in of
[00:02:34] in in
[00:02:40] Hungarian prime minister Peter Majar broke 16 years of rule under
[00:02:44] Victor Orban when he came to power in April,
[00:02:47] of now he's in the process of dismantling the system he inherited,
[00:02:51] calling it corrupt and illiberal. But
[00:02:53] of is Hungary's so-called purgatorium testing the limits
[00:02:57] of the rule of
[00:02:59] of law.
[00:03:10] of Hello and welcome
[00:03:14] to Round Table, I'm Ryan and Jones. After taking over from Victor
[00:03:18] Orban, Petter Madger promise to tear down the system he left
[00:03:22] brick by brick, and he's
[00:03:24] of started to do just that, changing the constitution, removing
[00:03:28] key officials and launch. corruption probes into
[00:03:31] of allbans in a circle. It's part of a drive to clean up
[00:03:35] Hungarian politics and to become more aligned with the EU, but
[00:03:39] critics are calling it power
[00:03:41] grab. Hungarian voters gave
[00:03:45] Peter Majar's Teaser party, two-thirds super
[00:03:50] of majority in April's election, allowing him to rewrite the
[00:03:54] country's
[00:03:55] of constitution. Majar says it's needed to undo what
[00:03:58] he calls the...
[00:04:15] of
[00:04:30] purgatory was the
[00:04:32] presidency. appointed under
[00:04:35] Orban resigned last month, parliamentary term
[00:04:39] limits have also been brought in, effectively barring most of
[00:04:43] Orban's MPs from re-election. with the chief
[00:04:47] a of prosecutor and head of the constitutional court being pushed out too. raid
[00:04:51] of data center linked to the party has led
[00:04:54] orban to speak
[00:04:56] of out. if a party's computer server is taken away.
[00:05:00] containing its membership register, communications, entire
[00:05:04] internet operation, databases, membership fees and
[00:05:07] support donations, and it's taken away by the government
[00:05:11] of the rival
[00:05:11] of political force.
[00:05:13] That is a problem, I do not think that this needs
[00:05:15] to be explained. The EU has been
[00:05:19] supportive of Majar since his election, and is moving to
[00:05:23] unlock billions in frozen funds, if Majar is
[00:05:27] able to deliver on his anti-corruption and transparency
[00:05:31] reforms. At home, Teaser's popularity has started
[00:05:34] to drop, dipping by 5% in opinion polls since
[00:05:38] coming to power. I don't like what's going
[00:05:42] on in.
[00:05:59] president was
[00:06:01] The a former character of no weight, he never said anything, he never took
[00:06:04] a position, he just signed everything in silence, he
[00:06:08] said what they told him to say, he really was puppet.
[00:06:14] "Peter Majar promised Hungarian's change and he is moving to
[00:06:18] deliver on that promise, but will it be the kind of change
[00:06:22] that people voted for?
[00:06:26] Well, let's meet our guests who are all joining us from the Hungarian capital,
[00:06:29] Budapest, Daniel Demmer, the editor and chief of Hungary
[00:06:33] today, Gerge Raini, chief analysts at the Center
[00:06:37] for fair political analysis and journalist Mark
[00:06:41] Luso. Welcome all!" to the program, Daniel, I'm going to start
[00:06:45] with you by asking, is this democratic
[00:06:48] transition that we're seeing here after 16 years of
[00:06:52] Fidet's rule, or is this replacement of one dominant
[00:06:55] political system after
[00:06:57] another? well, I think in my
[00:07:01] interpretation, and I'm not the only one, president
[00:07:04] Schwiok's removal from office was
[00:07:07] serious violation of democratic principles,
[00:07:11] not seen here. in the central European region since uh the end of
[00:07:15] communism and the former president's
[00:07:18] words uh when he said that uh his
[00:07:22] successor will not be legitimate or he
[00:07:26] said precisely he said um use the word illegitimate will
[00:07:30] reverberate in
[00:07:31] the in the in the minds of anyone who would want to or would
[00:07:34] consider uh actually
[00:07:38] accepting the presidency from from Peter Majar.
[00:07:42] forcing out the chief prosecutor uh is
[00:07:46] similarly interpreted as a political
[00:07:49] retribution, hence underbining public confidence in the
[00:07:53] prosecutor's office. um, unfortunately, what we
[00:07:57] see, what we have seen with the president is only the tip the iceberg,
[00:08:01] this is happening all across the Hungarian public
[00:08:04] life and and the political
[00:08:07] spectrum, high or low level public
[00:08:10] figures offosed that from their... offices, people who have
[00:08:13] never broken the law, only because they are not
[00:08:17] signaling their loyalty towards the new tissa government, and the
[00:08:21] president Shuok was one the victims of this
[00:08:24] retribution. Mark, we heard the Daniel's
[00:08:27] thoughts, what's your view of what's going on
[00:08:31] here? is this the kind of change that the
[00:08:35] Hungarian voters were looking
[00:08:37] for? well, these
[00:08:40] complaints from Fides partisans
[00:08:44] are really rich in hypocrisy given the fact that Victor Ordabon
[00:08:48] was in power for 16 years and he built the
[00:08:51] system that Peter is currently
[00:08:55] using to dismantle uh
[00:08:58] the really truly not democratic but rather
[00:09:02] authoritarian system that uh Ortaban
[00:09:06] built during his you know more than uh
[00:09:09] 16 years in power uh the complaints
[00:09:13] and the the winging and the belly aching from from fetus
[00:09:17] partisans is also just very strange. if you look at
[00:09:20] ordaban and his top lieutenants, they resigned their
[00:09:23] seats from parliament. they're not trying to
[00:09:27] make any contributions to public life, to policy
[00:09:31] making, to uh improving
[00:09:34] actual services that the government provides to
[00:09:38] Hungarians on the ground. they're just sitting on the sidelines and
[00:09:42] throwing... verbal bombs and and rhetorical attacks, so
[00:09:45] it's hard to take these complaints very seriously, and gerg, I did want to ask,
[00:09:49] do many Hungarian Hungarians simply see these moves
[00:09:53] uh by major as necessary after 16 years of
[00:09:57] majoritarian politics? I
[00:10:01] think most of Tisa voters do and the Tisa party
[00:10:05] enjoys roughly a 60-70% support in the among
[00:10:08] waters now, so they have such majority and there's such a...
[00:10:12] public demand for this kind of changes, now the the funny
[00:10:16] thing is really is that Peter is employing
[00:10:19] similar technics or similar style of governance as
[00:10:23] Fides did, as Victor.
[00:10:25] did as in the majority can do pretty much whatever they can, he
[00:10:29] says that it's a temporary thing that he's doing uh until they adopt
[00:10:33] a new very different constitution eventually probably a year or
[00:10:37] so um we'll see whether that is the case but currently you
[00:10:41] can see that this is uh according to what the voters demanded that
[00:10:45] they wanted to get rid of feidas this is what unites thesus camp
[00:10:48] obviously 70% the electorate
[00:10:52] doesn't agree on every ideological position. but what they agree on is that
[00:10:56] they wanted
[00:10:56] to get rid of everything that fides created and Peter
[00:11:00] is uh from a political standpoint very wise to
[00:11:03] emphasize this and take measures on doing this,
[00:11:07] even sort of extreme measures or measures that seem extreme
[00:11:11] from a western European perspective, because
[00:11:15] this is what unites his camp, this is what unites his
[00:11:18] political electorate and that's what keeps him popular, so he
[00:11:22] will continue to do this as long as
[00:11:25] as uh he can, so that the focus of Hungarian politics is on fighting
[00:11:29] against Urban, which is very popular fight among most the voters.
[00:11:33] Mark, I do want to just bring you in briefly, because Daniel mentioned the
[00:11:37] removal of president Siliok as being one the most
[00:11:40] controversial reforms, so there is
[00:11:43] concern here over just how far
[00:11:46] and fast Peters moving, why is it
[00:11:50] necessary to pursue these reforms at such
[00:11:53] speed? "I think we
[00:11:56] shouldn't overstate the drama of
[00:12:00] what's going on in Hungarian public life, certainly President
[00:12:04] Shuyok had his defenders and he
[00:12:08] voiced his complaints
[00:12:11] publicly when Peter and the Tisa government moved
[00:12:15] to uh push him out of office through vote in
[00:12:19] parliament, it's not like these were any sort of extra legal measures that
[00:12:22] Madiard took, it was just matter..." the representatives who were
[00:12:26] duly elected by the Hungarian populist taking a decision
[00:12:30] that the Hungarian populist supported. A lot these
[00:12:34] moves to me feel like well relatively normal
[00:12:37] politics uh at least a a European
[00:12:40] level when uh proposes
[00:12:43] action or a policy people complain if they don't like it
[00:12:47] or they say yes if they do like it or they stay quiet if they
[00:12:51] do like it uh and if people don't like it well then he changes
[00:12:55] his tag as he has for instance in several instances
[00:12:59] of um removing nominations for top cabinet
[00:13:02] officials, so to me it seems like
[00:13:05] responsiveness, transparency, public
[00:13:08] accountability, that's what part is trying
[00:13:12] to return to Hungarian public life, and it's certainly what was
[00:13:15] absent uh during the 16 years of Victor Ordabon's regime and
[00:13:19] rule. Daniel, if I can put that question to you, because
[00:13:22] Hungary, let's not forget, has billions of... burs in frozen
[00:13:26] EU funds at stake here, so to what
[00:13:29] extent is the pace of Majar's reforms being
[00:13:33] driven by this August deadline
[00:13:35] here? well, the thing is, um,
[00:13:39] I would uh, I would say that the, I wouldn't
[00:13:43] use the word reforms uh, that you have used
[00:13:46] earlier, um, this is, this is retribution and the t
[00:13:50] government is is a government of avengers, the
[00:13:54] Peter is using the dismantling
[00:13:56] the what he calls the urban regime as
[00:14:00] smoke screen to actually destroy the entire
[00:14:04] Hungarian conservative national network and and
[00:14:08] sphere and this is exactly what is expected of
[00:14:11] him to do
[00:14:13] and what is what is happening with
[00:14:17] the with what you asking about the speed of the
[00:14:20] reforms um we all wanted reforms and
[00:14:24] and "I think this was Victor Orban's mistake that he
[00:14:28] didn't listen to the independent Hungarian
[00:14:31] Conservative network that was asking for reform and there was a
[00:14:35] bubble around Fedes, but what we got is is is basically
[00:14:39] the destruction the rule of law in Hungary and the
[00:14:43] neostalinist cult of personality against around
[00:14:47] Peter, this is this is not reform and it should not be
[00:14:51] should not be called that
[00:14:53] and all these comparisons well this" is exactly what
[00:14:56] what Victor Orban did earlier
[00:15:00] for 16 years, I don't think they stand the the
[00:15:04] test of reality, we did not have political prisoners as we
[00:15:07] do, the offices and and the servers
[00:15:11] the opposition party have not been raided by Victor
[00:15:15] Orban, the president was not forced
[00:15:18] out, etc., etc., so these comparisons
[00:15:22] of of any sort of existing parallels are, are limping in my
[00:15:26] view, gergay, daniel there calling it
[00:15:29] retribution, Mark calling it normal
[00:15:33] politics, where's the line
[00:15:36] between transition? justice and political
[00:15:39] revenge? it's hard to say really,
[00:15:42] because obviously retribution or writing the wrongs
[00:15:46] the ansian regime was one the major things that the
[00:15:50] electorate has requested, and well the
[00:15:54] Hungarian public is used to this majoritarian politics partly because
[00:15:58] of what the Orban regime has done, that basically whatever the majority be
[00:16:01] the majority offorders or the majority in parliament requires will
[00:16:05] happen regardless of whether... that violates any
[00:16:09] principle of rule of law, european standards or so and so on,
[00:16:13] but this has been a Hungarian staple in politics
[00:16:17] uh since the 90s. Hungary is the only country in the region that didn't have that
[00:16:21] hasn't had snap elections since 1990, every government in
[00:16:25] some way shape or form was there for four years, they were
[00:16:28] elected for four years, the parliament remained in place for four years, which is unusual
[00:16:32] in European politics. European politics is usually about lot of coalition
[00:16:36] disputes, lot of... government's just dissolving, early elections being
[00:16:40] called, Hungary has not been subject to that, the Hungarian public is used
[00:16:43] to having a stable majority, and whatever the majority says
[00:16:47] pretty much goes. Mark, regular transition or not,
[00:16:51] recent polling does suggest that teaser remains
[00:16:55] comfortably ahead, but support has slipped, so are
[00:16:59] you surprised that the government has has seen a drop in support so
[00:17:03] soon? not
[00:17:05] especially ' you know, once
[00:17:08] governments actually move implementing the
[00:17:11] promises uh that they make, and this applies not just to Hungary, but
[00:17:15] really anywhere you have democratic system, uh,
[00:17:19] the, some people in the populist will
[00:17:23] be, you know, not as happy, they the promises and the way that
[00:17:27] they're kept, the concrete programmatic uh,
[00:17:30] implementations will disappoint some people, and so you have,
[00:17:34] you know, people who express their
[00:17:37] disappointment by ' responding to polls and poll numbers drop
[00:17:40] uh,
[00:17:41] you know, the question, I think for Peter will be to pay attention
[00:17:45] to how low his pull numbers go
[00:17:48] um
[00:17:49] uh and how uh and to
[00:17:51] you know do course corrections uh if in fact it seems
[00:17:54] like uh the way that he's implementing these
[00:17:57] policies are is impacting negatively his
[00:18:01] popularity uh in Hungary as a whole and so far uh there
[00:18:05] hasn't really been a lot of uh to the needle a
[00:18:09] a strongly negative direction, it's it seems to me like it's just
[00:18:12] you know some people who are
[00:18:14] you know not exactly happy with the way that certain policies
[00:18:18] have been implemented and and that's for
[00:18:21] pet madiard to to address if it becomes serious
[00:18:24] problem. let's talk about Europe's role in all this
[00:18:28] or or reaction to all this: the European Commission has
[00:18:31] broadly welcomed Majar's reforms, what's
[00:18:35] your view on the reaction? from the EU
[00:18:38] so far? um,
[00:18:42] many have been, especially if you listen to the
[00:18:45] reactions from the European right, from the
[00:18:49] patriots of for Europe group in the
[00:18:53] European Parliament and and the party itself, Marine Lepen and
[00:18:57] and and others have pointed out
[00:19:00] that the silence the European Union's leadership is
[00:19:04] completely deathening and how come if "if Victor Orban
[00:19:08] were to do half as much as as as
[00:19:11] Peter's government, he he would have been ostracized and
[00:19:15] punished for for doing so, but
[00:19:19] when when we speak about the European Union, we have to understand it
[00:19:22] increasingly in terms of its German dominance, and
[00:19:26] many commentators call what is happening
[00:19:30] now in in Hungary, the Polish
[00:19:33] model, obviously they refer to the example of Donald Tusk's.
[00:19:37] government when they came to power, they raided the
[00:19:41] public broadcast, they've released
[00:19:45] lawfair, a judicial overreach against their opponents,
[00:19:48] etc. etc., but I think this is a misconception. this isn't the Polish
[00:19:52] model, this is a German model, only,
[00:19:55] it has only been um employed
[00:19:58] in in Poland for the first time, but
[00:20:02] if you see Uz on the lion immediately committing to
[00:20:05] releasing all the funds and the... Erasmus program for
[00:20:08] students that have been withheld for many many years
[00:20:12] in from Hungary because they we had a
[00:20:15] conservative national government and without any
[00:20:19] policy changes except for firing people and jailing
[00:20:22] people uh that then you understand where the EU stands in
[00:20:26] this and you understand that this is in fact a proxy government
[00:20:30] sponsored by the EU. Manfred verber the the leader
[00:20:34] the European People's party has also when when as about
[00:20:38] the serious violations of human rights and the rule of law, he
[00:20:42] said, well, it's nothing to see, he has full commitment
[00:20:45] towards Peter, and we had of course Marcus.
[00:20:50] serder here in Budapest
[00:20:52] recently, the leader the
[00:20:56] Bavarian CSU and he was baning and was happy and
[00:21:00] cooing Peter saying how - for the urban government when
[00:21:04] he's he's glad to see the back and he's welcoming the
[00:21:08] the new Maj government here, so I think many have the
[00:21:11] feeling
[00:21:12] in in Hungary now that although we may at one
[00:21:16] point be able to restore democracy in Hungary, but we will not...
[00:21:20] be able to fully do so until German
[00:21:23] citizens, germans voter, voters do the same at
[00:21:26] home. Mark, what do
[00:21:28] you make of Daniel's comments there? is the EU judging hungry on on
[00:21:32] democratic principles here, or is it still simply welcoming a
[00:21:36] more pro-european government
[00:21:38] here? it, I'm not
[00:21:41] entirely sure that it's a a wise move to uh get in
[00:21:45] bed with Marine Lepen and to claim her support
[00:21:48] as - a mark in one's favor, Marine Lepen is not
[00:21:52] exactly uh the kind of politician uh
[00:21:56] whose views are mainstream or even morally
[00:21:59] palatable uh especially when it comes to race and racism in
[00:22:03] Europe. um the thing I would say is that there have
[00:22:07] been substantive policy changes uh for
[00:22:11] the better uh in the area of foreign
[00:22:14] policy uh Victor Ordban uh and especially his
[00:22:18] for his foreign minister. Stearto uh were
[00:22:22] uh very very close uh with uh
[00:22:25] Russian uh the Russian government with Vladimir Putin, we're
[00:22:29] supporting Vladimir Putin and in fact we're aiding Vladimir Putin
[00:22:32] in disrupting uh the uh
[00:22:36] democratic uh rule of law in Europe as
[00:22:39] a whole uh and that the removal of Russian
[00:22:42] influence in Hungarian life, the removal of Russian
[00:22:46] influence more broadly in or putting an extra barrier.
[00:22:50] uh say against Russian influence more broadly uh in
[00:22:53] Europe is major shift and I think that is actually what the
[00:22:57] European Union is rewarding uh and
[00:23:01] acknowledging uh by releasing funds and returning Hungary to
[00:23:05] the Erasmus program and the other thing is that it's
[00:23:09] not like uh you know giving money to Hungary is
[00:23:13] somehow a punishment for Hungarian citizens. It's what they wanted. Who's gonna
[00:23:17] who's well
[00:23:19] gonna no thanks? Well... 'well we don't want those billions of
[00:23:22] euros uh and no thanks, we don't want a world
[00:23:25] renowned scholarship and educational program uh, so it
[00:23:29] seems to me as if the complaints that somehow uh
[00:23:33] this is harming uh Hungarian citizens is is
[00:23:37] really sort of unrealistic. Gargy, I did want to talk to you
[00:23:40] about these media reforms, because one the most
[00:23:44] contentious issues uh is specifically that Maja
[00:23:47] argues that state television became proper'. scander and
[00:23:51] the public media must be rebuilt from
[00:23:54] scratch. now how do you
[00:23:57] de-politicized state media without
[00:24:00] appearing to politicize it all over again? is it
[00:24:04] possible? well, he's having a hard time to
[00:24:08] do so, because state media, at least the public
[00:24:11] television, has not gotten its new leadership uh, and
[00:24:15] it's not actually doing its job because it doesn't have the right
[00:24:18] people, and it's very hard to find. people who weren't associated with
[00:24:22] the ansian regime, so Urban's people, and
[00:24:25] also are not considered very political uh on the
[00:24:29] left-wing liberal uh, whatever side you want to call it, and just
[00:24:32] recently uh Peter basically
[00:24:35] stopped the appointment of two uh
[00:24:39] leaders the Hungarian state television because they're
[00:24:43] former association with uh Orban's media,
[00:24:47] so he will have very hard time to do this, "and obviously he's also
[00:24:51] calling this very transitionary and this is going to get to some sort
[00:24:55] of normal, but Hungary is a small country, it has a small elite
[00:24:59] and because of that uh there will be issues of
[00:25:02] finding personnel, the right personnel who actually know what they do, but haven't
[00:25:06] been haven't had the experience of working for Urban, at least not for an extended
[00:25:10] period of time, but they can do the job, that's going to be very difficult
[00:25:14] in media and in other uh aspects as well, and Peter
[00:25:18] has had trouble. uh finding certain people for certain
[00:25:21] positions, and obviously until the fall or even
[00:25:25] later, this is going to be an ongoing process of just finding the right people,
[00:25:29] trying to find people
[00:25:30] who who the tiSA voters approve of, who can do the job and who are not
[00:25:34] associated with the ansin regime, and this is going to be difficult thing
[00:25:38] that Peter are continuing to try to do. let's get
[00:25:42] your final thoughts if you will, now Daniel, let me start with you, what
[00:25:45] does Hungary's political future look like from
[00:25:49] here? do do you expect Peter
[00:25:53] to um, we could
[00:25:56] argue abuse his majority or do you think he will use it for the
[00:26:00] good the people and Europe, what, what's the political
[00:26:04] future look like here? Well, I'm,
[00:26:08] I'm not very optimistic. I think um, the
[00:26:12] precedence that he set in the last three months are are a course for
[00:26:16] worry, and it's not just some sort of a right-wing or conservative of Fides
[00:26:20] propaganda, the
[00:26:22] international human rights organizations have
[00:26:26] criticized left-wing organizations, Peter's removal of
[00:26:30] President Shuok and and of all places
[00:26:33] the German left-wing establishment press
[00:26:37] have have criticized him, but I think
[00:26:41] there's one thing that that captured me in
[00:26:45] Victor Orban's recent speech in in Romania is when he
[00:26:49] said that we are not only defending the legacy
[00:26:53] the last 16 years of conservative national
[00:26:56] governance, we are defending what we have built up
[00:27:00] since the end of communism in the last 36 years and
[00:27:04] that is exactly how I feel about this, this is what is
[00:27:08] happening now is an existential uh threat
[00:27:11] to a Hungarian democracy and I
[00:27:14] think at the whole thing will change and the
[00:27:18] balance will changed the first day the Americans
[00:27:22] actively start to criticize
[00:27:24] the the Peter government because um
[00:27:28] he is already becoming a liability and an embarrassment.
[00:27:32] to his sponsors in in Germany and and Brussels, but the the
[00:27:36] American administration's criticism will change uh the balance to some
[00:27:40] extent. And Mark, your final thoughts, looking at Maj's first few months
[00:27:44] in office, it's early days still, but has he broadly delivered on the
[00:27:47] mandate that voters gave him?
[00:27:51] Well, it remains to be seen, and I think the speech that Danielle
[00:27:55] was referring to was by Victor Ordabon, did you say, I think you might have said it was by
[00:27:59] Peter, but those words certainly sound. like they were Victor
[00:28:03] Ortiban's words in Romania. Um,
[00:28:06] the, uh, it remains to be seen, and and actually, I agree with Daniel,
[00:28:10] that that NGOs, civil society groups in Hungary, it's going to
[00:28:14] be their job to criticize the government when it
[00:28:18] does wrong, to uh, hold the government
[00:28:22] accountable to uh, principles like the rule
[00:28:26] of law, freedom of speech, um, transparency and
[00:28:30] democracy, that's certainly going to... the job the European Union
[00:28:34] as well ideally uh and the international
[00:28:37] community uh that's what is happening right now
[00:28:41] and uh I would certainly like to see more of that going on into the
[00:30:09] Donald Trump denies the US military is running low on munitions and
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[00:30:17] Hello and welcome to TRT World Live from Istanbul, I'm Hazim Sea, also head
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