TRTWORLD — News 20260808 090000 UTC 488 transcript segments Google Speech-to-Text API Automatic Transcription (Chirp) Data courtesy of The GDELT Project (https://www.gdeltproject.org/), from the Internet Archive TV News Archive. Machine transcription. Treat it as a searchable index of what was broadcast, not a verbatim quotation record. [00:00:00] on [00:00:00] of TRT [00:00:05] of World. [00:00:16] Hello, you're watching TRT World, I'm adnan Waz with the main headlines. [00:00:19] Though [00:00:20] of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan has signed the landmark defense [00:00:23] of pact in Mecca pledging that attack on one will be treated as an attack on [00:00:27] all. Those president says. reaffirms the [00:00:30] right to self-defense and is not aimed any country. the agreement [00:00:34] has come as tensions have grown since the end of February when the U.S. and Israel [00:00:38] launched their war [00:00:39] of on Iran. 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The shooting is renewed pressure on the government for tighter gun control [00:02:37] laws. You're up to date on TRT World. Stay with [00:02:41] us. [00:02:52] of of President [00:02:53] of Trump in called it historic progress toward peace in [00:02:56] Gaza. While another round of Israel-lebanon peace talks. include in [00:03:00] Rome, so are any closer to actual [00:03:04] of peace, if Israel still refuses to [00:03:06] of withdraw, and Hamas and [00:03:08] of Hezbulah refused to disarm. We'll look at the developments on both fronts on [00:03:12] our newsmaker's week in review. Hailing it as a [00:03:15] break through, President Trump said Hamas had agreed to put down its [00:03:19] weapons. Meanwhile, July marked a surge in Palestinian [00:03:23] of deaths under Israeli attack. So is the board of peace and its [00:03:27] 20-point plan delivering what it [00:03:29] of promised? or distracting from [00:03:31] a dire reality, plus, with dozens of towns [00:03:34] occupied and Lebanon south still under attack, the US, [00:03:38] Israel and Lebanon returned for seventh round of talks in [00:03:42] Rome, but with Hesbolah refusing to disarm until Israel leaves, [00:03:45] while Israel refuses to leave until Hezbulah dis arms, can [00:03:49] peace talks really succeed? I'm Andrea Sanki, and [00:03:53] this is the newsmakers, week in [00:03:55] of review. [00:04:11] Well, it's less and less common for developments in Gaza to overtake headlines [00:04:15] nowadays, but last week, President Trump announced a [00:04:18] breakthrough. He said, [00:04:19] in a historic step toward peace and security, Hamas had agreed [00:04:23] to complete disarmament, and Israel would withdraw from [00:04:27] Gaza, but while he praised the news, Israel said little or [00:04:30] nothing in response, and it soon became clear that all sides might [00:04:34] not be on the same page. here's a [00:04:36] look: what [00:04:39] a it first sounded like an unimaginable breakthrough soon became a [00:04:43] a confusing picture of who's expected to move [00:04:46] first? while President Trump announced [00:04:49] of days ago that Hamas is set to disarm as [00:04:53] Israel with draws from Gaza, Israel did [00:04:56] not confirm. an understanding with Israel, israel [00:05:01] of and they've been very good, they've been very good [00:05:05] about, most people said that would be deal that would be [00:05:07] undoable, now in october 2025, hamas and [00:05:11] israel in principal to a 20-point peace plan [00:05:15] and road map for withdrawal, deal backed by [00:05:19] Trump, but deep seated disagreements and differing [00:05:22] interpretations how this withdrawal would happen have resulted [00:05:26] in continued fighting. Israel has been accused of [00:05:30] violating the October 2025 ceasefire over [00:05:33] 3,700 times since that agreement was [00:05:37] announced, according to government media office reports in [00:05:40] Gaza. It was announced. already that there [00:05:44] is road map implement these [00:05:47] objectives, that road map must be followed [00:05:51] without any question, [00:05:54] skepticism or [00:05:58] determination to undermine it. now is the [00:06:02] time for both sides implement what was [00:06:05] agreed. the latest disarmanment announcement is huge [00:06:09] step, but like the 20 point peace plan, Again [00:06:13] highlights just how different each side's understanding the deal [00:06:16] is. Israel shared serious security [00:06:20] concerns with the white house over the [00:06:22] disarmament. They continued their air strikes on Gaza several [00:06:26] times over the weekend, killing at least 17 people. [00:06:30] Israeli authorities insist withdrawal from Gaza won't [00:06:34] happen until Hamas has fully and [00:06:38] verifiably disarmed and they want weapons destroyed or [00:06:42] removed. beforehand, there is also the belief among Israeli [00:06:45] intelligence that Hamas remains committed to rebuilding its [00:06:49] military rather than genuinely [00:06:51] demilitarizing, but Hamas demands that its own [00:06:55] disarmament and Israel's withdrawal must happen [00:06:58] simultaneously. It won't disarm first, and its [00:07:02] full disarmament depends on Israeli's full withdrawal. [00:07:06] Israel currently controls more than 60% of [00:07:10] Gaza's territory. Israelis and Gazans [00:07:14] are distrustful of each other, underlying the mistrust [00:07:18] lies the scale of death. Israeli [00:07:21] authorities say around 1,200 people [00:07:25] were killed in Hamasled attacks since October [00:07:29] 7th, 2023. Gaza health ministry figures [00:07:32] show more than 73,000 Palestinians killed in [00:07:36] the subsequent Israeli military invasion, with [00:07:40] almost 175. a thous people [00:07:43] wounded, many suffering permanent life-altering [00:07:47] injuries. for now, while talk of hamast disarming [00:07:51] seems a major shift and turning point, both sides [00:07:55] seem to have completely ruled out agreeing to blink [00:07:58] first. this means that even talk of hamas disarmanment [00:08:02] in effect amounts to nothing, and nothing has [00:08:05] changed on the ground. well, for many, it's hard to [00:08:09] reconcile president Trump's enthusiasm for what he a [00:08:12] breakthrough on the disarmament of Hamas with the reality on the [00:08:16] ground, so I started by asking Ahmed Fuad Khatib, [00:08:20] director the realind for Palestine Project at the Atlanta [00:08:23] Council, what really has improved for Gazan since the 20 [00:08:27] point peace plan and the board of peace were first announced. I think we [00:08:31] can quickly jettison the rhetoric of President Trump after all we've seen [00:08:35] this deployed when it comes to Iran when it comes to a whole host of other [00:08:38] foreign policy topics, so let's put that aside, the truth the matter is... [00:08:42] virtually nothing um substantive when it comes [00:08:46] to the actual 20 point plan has been implemented except for [00:08:50] maybe the end of large scale military [00:08:53] operations um the release of Israeli hostages, the release [00:08:57] of uh Palestinian prisoners that were agreed upon um so [00:09:00] so so that's that's that establishing the framework through which [00:09:04] further negotiations can take place, but we're talking about [00:09:08] scaffolding, I mean [00:09:09] and I use the the term paralysis deliber. we're talking about the [00:09:13] scaffolding of what needs to be implemented um being in [00:09:17] place, but we're far from anywhere near what the [00:09:21] president himself has set out with his ambitious agenda. [00:09:24] again, i'm not looking to president trump necessarily for [00:09:28] for the description or for the rhetoric, i'm looking for facts on the ground and i'm looking [00:09:32] for the players to actually be serious about the implementation. [00:09:36] okay, michael, i had asked earlier [00:09:39] about the the timing and if the time timing [00:09:43] here has another strategy at play, some [00:09:46] feel that this is desperation on behalf of President Trump to [00:09:50] distract from Iran, while in the mean [00:09:54] to, at best, return to the miserable [00:09:57] status quo that we had before October [00:10:00] 7th, [00:10:02] look, [00:10:04] that that's a very appealing approach, [00:10:06] and I'm afraid it's one that I would probably wind up agreen with, certainly I think from [00:10:10] the Israeli point of view ' Certainly from what we've heard from most [00:10:14] the candidates for Prime Minister in the upcoming Israeli elections in [00:10:18] October, um, the thought would be, let's go back to October [00:10:21] 6th, where we continue to uh to control. [00:10:25] uh Gaza, IE externally, I think now the debate in [00:10:29] Israel is shifted to maintaining a permanent or very [00:10:33] long-lasting military presence in in Gaza, we certainly [00:10:36] have large large cries coming from [00:10:40] important Israely cabinet ministers including the minister of foreign [00:10:43] affairs, the justice minister, the minister of national [00:10:46] security and the finance minister about establishing [00:10:50] permanent Israeli settlements in Israel, and we know [00:10:54] that uh Israel has moved its line from 53% of a control [00:10:58] uh in eastern Gaza [00:11:02] further to around 65%, aim according [00:11:05] to Benjamin Netannyahu would be to move that line forward to [00:11:09] 70% of of Gaza, so when it's we realize it's [00:11:13] taken nine months from the passage the [00:11:17] UN security council resolution 2803 to get to [00:11:21] this very minimal space we are at now. [00:11:25] we have to ask who does the lack of urgency wind up [00:11:29] benefiting and [00:11:30] it would seem to benefit uh the the Israelis and the idea [00:11:33] of some kind of permanent control or [00:11:37] indeed sovereignty over large parts of of Gaza, it [00:11:41] certainly does not benefit the 2.1 million [00:11:44] Palestinians, which is who were living before October [00:11:47] 2023, an already overcrowded, densely [00:11:51] populated area [00:11:53] now being pushed. into one third of that under [00:11:56] extraordinary unlivable conditions, living in tense under [00:12:00] the immense heat, or in the winter living intense under the immense [00:12:04] coal, with no future being [00:12:08] designed for them with respect to the rebuilding of gaza or the inflow [00:12:12] the $30 billion dollars over the next two years that have been promised under [00:12:15] the board of peace, you know what, you'll see who would [00:12:19] fully monitor Hamas's disarmament in the first place that would [00:12:23] be trusted. [00:12:25] and who will stop some hamas supporters from [00:12:28] rearming? are are we ever going to get to the logistical [00:12:32] disarmament with peacekeepers and an [00:12:35] international uh enforcement mechanism on the [00:12:38] ground? i think that's why the [00:12:42] the pressure should come from from [00:12:44] from from all directions, [00:12:45] you know we have influence either on Israel or hamas and [00:12:49] the the the the palestinian [00:12:51] authority needs to needs to exert. [00:12:56] this this pressure to ensure that no one is going back to their bad [00:13:00] habits, because Hamas understand that if it's los its [00:13:03] military wing and becomes only a political, only [00:13:07] inverted commerce, a political movement, social movement [00:13:11] has the way it started, it might lose some of some of of [00:13:15] of its influence, it has to play into into the [00:13:19] wider political agenda within Palestine, [00:13:23] so the idea that all there is... [00:13:25] is sequence, [00:13:25] but there are a lot of issues that need to be addressed at the same time, at the end the [00:13:29] day still the United States is the main player, but then whether it's [00:13:33] Egypt, Turkey, Morocco, Qatar and [00:13:37] other countries, everyone needs to play their part that [00:13:41] all sides are abide by by by the agreement, [00:13:45] otherwise we know what's what's from the experience that they go back to [00:13:49] their bad habits, but part of it, we haven't talked about [00:13:53] for instance elections in palest. having new leadership there, [00:13:57] also create a political horizon that people in both [00:14:00] societies are going to subscribe, to we don't see [00:14:04] that. [00:14:09] well, it's obvious you have to manage expectations when a leave negotiator says [00:14:13] peace talks shouldn't move too quickly. that is not what [00:14:17] hundreds of thousands of displace lebanese want to hear. desperate to [00:14:21] return home to the south, some have made their way back to villages left. [00:14:25] ruins with occupying Israeli forces never far away, it's [00:14:29] added more hardship to the country marking six years since [00:14:33] its capital city was virtually destroyed in the Bayrut port [00:14:36] explosion, so while Lebanon's people remain as resilient as [00:14:40] ever, will they actually get the peace and accountability they [00:14:43] deserve? here's a look: the latest [00:14:47] Israel lebanon talks aren't about negotiating another peace [00:14:51] deal, they're about assessing whether the one already. [00:14:55] agreed can actually work. For the first time since [00:14:58] 1993, Israeli and Lebanese officials have been meeting [00:15:02] directly, marking diplomatic breakthrough after decades [00:15:06] without face to face talks, but turning that breakthrough into [00:15:10] peace may prove far more difficult. At the heart [00:15:14] the framework is faced Israeli withdrawal from southern [00:15:18] Lebanon. The first test is series of so-called pilot [00:15:22] zones. Under the plan is really forced. would gradually [00:15:25] withdraw, the Lebanese Army would take over security and the [00:15:29] model would then be expanded elsewhere, but after weeks [00:15:33] of negotiations, only one pilot zone has been [00:15:36] implemented. That slow progress reflects [00:15:40] a deeper problem. Every stage the framework depends on another [00:15:44] one. Israel once Hezbulah disarmed before completing his [00:15:48] withdrawal. Hezbulah insists there will be no [00:15:51] disarmment while Israely troops remain inside [00:15:54] Lebanon. The talks also expose one the biggest [00:15:58] gaps in the process. Hezbulah remains outside the [00:16:01] negotiations and rejects the very premise it's built [00:16:05] on. We consider that all direct [00:16:09] negotiations with Israel have brought nothing but shame, [00:16:12] humiliation, disappointment and continuous [00:16:15] concessions. The divisions are not confined [00:16:18] to the negotiating table, Israeli military operations have [00:16:22] continued across southern Lebanon, raising concerns that [00:16:26] implementation remains far more fragile than the agreement [00:16:30] itself. The UN interrum force in Lebanon continues to [00:16:33] observe daily Israeli violations of Lebanese airspace. [00:16:38] Between Thursday and Sunday, peacekeepers recorded 125 air [00:16:41] violations with a combined total overflight time exceeding [00:16:45] 418 hours. Surveillance and arm [00:16:49] drones were observed near or above unifill positions in both [00:16:52] sectors. Peacekeepers also report extensive military activity [00:16:56] on the ground in south Lebanon, including significant engineering works and [00:17:00] active troop movements. For displaced Lebanese, that's delaying [00:17:03] any return to normal life. Some families have gone. back to [00:17:07] their villages, many others are still waiting with Israeli [00:17:11] troops remaining in parts the south and entire communities left [00:17:15] in ruins. We can say that the [00:17:19] matter cannot be measured in terms of time, but rather in terms [00:17:23] of solutions, and the solutions are very complicated when [00:17:27] it comes to completely withdrawing Hesboolah's weapons from within [00:17:31] Lebanon. The issue goes beyond the national sphere, it [00:17:35] may even have regional dimension. Therefore, I [00:17:39] believe that the timeline for the Israeli occupation will be a [00:17:43] long time. The negotiations have reached a new [00:17:46] stage. The diplomacy and the conflict, however, [00:17:50] still appear to be moving on two very different tracks. [00:17:54] So, are the pilot zones in southern Lebanon working, and are they [00:17:58] the best indicator of real progress toward peace? I put that to [00:18:02] public policy fellow at the American University of Beirot, Rami [00:18:05] Hori. Well, they're working. as they're supposed to [00:18:08] work, which is to reaffirm Israeli-American [00:18:12] superiority and and sovereign [00:18:15] control over South Lebanon and forcing the [00:18:19] Lebanese government to comply with what Israel [00:18:23] wants, so in that respect they are working. Most [00:18:27] the world doesn't think, I think most the region and much the world [00:18:31] doesn't think this is a really fair and [00:18:34] legitimate and equitable process. [00:18:38] "and like the board of peace in in [00:18:42] Gaza and some the [00:18:45] things that were developed with Iran and the US [00:18:49] under American pressure, these are not [00:18:52] serious peace processes [00:18:55] or movement towards a [00:18:59] mechanism for peaceful coexistence in the long [00:19:03] run, unlike say what you saw in Northern Ireland or Southern Africa [00:19:07] which did" lead to an equitable peace, so in that [00:19:10] respect, no, they're not, they're not real progress [00:19:13] in the long run, and they, but if they can [00:19:17] spark push by all [00:19:21] sides to get to the next stage that is more [00:19:24] equitable, for instance, the Lebanese should determine where do [00:19:28] the Israelis withdraw from in phase two, and phase one, the Israeli said we're [00:19:32] getting out these areas, some of which they didn't even occupy, phase two, [00:19:36] maybe Lebanon. should say, well, these are the villages you got to get out of, [00:19:40] and these are the areas you have to stop bombing. something like that [00:19:44] could rectify the imbalances now, but that [00:19:47] rarely happens, but we'll just have to wait and see. the lebanese are very talented [00:19:51] people, but it depends on whether the US comes down [00:19:55] equitably for Israel and lebanon or continues to [00:19:59] push a process that favors what Israel wants. so you're saying [00:20:03] that the pilot zones could somehow spark the... [00:20:07] real progress, but there's this overlying [00:20:11] concern that, well Israel has definitely highlighted this, [00:20:14] that Hezbulah will try to return to these pilot [00:20:18] zones once it's established that the Lebanese army is [00:20:22] in control. do you see that [00:20:25] as as something quite possible, or [00:20:28] is are you suspicious that Israel is looking for excuses to either [00:20:32] stay as an occupier or be able to return [00:20:36] later? uh, the you now Hizballah is issue but [00:20:40] it's not the issue, the issue is the [00:20:43] tensions between Zionist colonial [00:20:47] expansion, American support for that. and [00:20:50] inadequate Lebanese and Arab government systems [00:20:54] and foreign manipulation ferance [00:20:58] in the region since the 1920s, that's the real [00:21:01] problem. So the hisballah is willing to [00:21:04] make like Hamas and Palestine is willing to make [00:21:08] reasonable concessions if the [00:21:11] core root the problem is addressed, which is Israeli [00:21:15] occupation and okay [00:21:19] hamas. Hazballah was born to push back Israel to [00:21:23] get them [00:21:23] out of Lebanon, they weren't born for anything else. Okay, I'm going [00:21:27] to follow up with that in just second with Joe, but first I have to [00:21:31] ask akiva, because on the Israeli [00:21:34] side, I i mentioned the suspicions that Israel already has [00:21:38] and it's also said that it it has to verify [00:21:42] somehow that Hazbullah has disarmed, how would [00:21:45] that ever happen, and I mean then you have to also... [00:21:50] the suspicions that Israel has that the Lebanese army is somehow going to [00:21:53] cooperate with Hezballah because that's [00:21:57] just what they do, and again it opens the door to [00:22:01] prolonged occupation. well, I can [00:22:05] tell you when it's probably not going to happen, [00:22:09] and this is between now to October [00:22:12] 27th till the the elections in Israel, [00:22:15] because what the current government is [00:22:19] doing is look... looking at every strategic [00:22:22] question from you know through the lenses [00:22:26] the balloting boxes to [00:22:30] the elections and right now they are [00:22:33] still having a problem convincing the [00:22:37] communities in the Israeli north there was a kind of symmetry [00:22:41] that we're doing between the [00:22:44] Israeli refugees that had to leave [00:22:48] their homes during the... war that started all [00:22:52] this and started the reoccupation of [00:22:55] southern Lebanon, and they are also [00:22:59] demanding some kind of guarantees [00:23:02] from the current government that it will not happen to [00:23:06] them again, there are still people who moved to [00:23:10] the center of Israel and they are not back yet because they don't [00:23:14] feel safe, so Netanyahu right now is [00:23:18] looking every... morning at the polls [00:23:21] and he's not happy with what he sees [00:23:24] and probably the good [00:23:28] news is that in October [00:23:31] we will have another government that will look [00:23:35] at the Israeli international [00:23:38] relationship and public relations of Israel a [00:23:42] different way, different from what Netanyahu was [00:23:46] suggesting a super sparta, he said in on the... in the [00:23:50] kn that he sees himself as the [00:23:53] Israeli churchil that [00:23:56] offers um kind [00:23:59] of blood tears and [00:24:03] sweat with no deadline [00:24:06] and the other problem is that even the [00:24:10] Israeli opposition, the leaders the [00:24:13] parties that will probably be in power are not [00:24:17] mentioning anything about with from Lebanon [00:24:21] or even talking about the two state [00:24:23] solution, there is no leadership [00:24:27] that is suggesting a deadline for the [00:24:31] Israeli occupation and timeline, they are [00:24:35] talking about sequence, first they have to stop terrorism, first [00:24:39] we have to this make sure that to disarm [00:24:42] hisballah and the hamas, but they [00:24:46] don't offer anything, they are blaming government for out [00:24:50] sourcing Israel's security, outsourcing to the Lebanese [00:24:54] government, to President Trump when it comes to Iran [00:24:57] and to the new peace council [00:25:01] in in Gaza. Okay, um, let me come back [00:25:05] to Joe in Beirut, because I need to pick up on [00:25:09] something that Rami had said, he he seems to have some confidence [00:25:12] that Hezbulah would act in good [00:25:16] faith if um Israel were to to withdraw. [00:25:21] However, Hesboolah says that these talks alone have brought so much, shame and [00:25:25] humiliation to Lebanon, but at the same time many Lebanies actually [00:25:28] feel humiliated by Hezbulah, because it's a non-state actor [00:25:32] that they say has seated their sovereignty [00:25:36] to foreign power, and that the Hezball goes goes ahead and [00:25:40] makes unilateral decisions to attack Israel and then complains [00:25:44] on behalf of Iran for that matter, and then complains that the constitution [00:25:48] is being violated because... "they didn't get to agree to [00:25:52] negotiations, so how dangerous is that [00:25:56] difference of opinion alone within [00:25:59] Lebanon? I mean, regardless [00:26:02] the emotion and ideological differences that [00:26:06] are very you know a high level and level on for [00:26:10] me, i like to focus on how how the policies [00:26:13] are, obviously we have now [00:26:17] two visions of foreign policies in in one is [00:26:20] betting on what's happening on talks, the other [00:26:24] one is betting on on the talks with direct [00:26:27] directly with Israel through yes mediation and neither can [00:26:30] reach very clear. solution now we have [00:26:34] a framework agreement, we have especially security annex, you mentioned the [00:26:38] pilot zones, they don't address the core the [00:26:42] problem which has been in the last two years since the last [00:26:45] is fire in November 2024 is how you deal with the [00:26:49] issue of disarmment and withdrawal, they tried the step [00:26:53] by step, netanyahu government refused, now they are trying to violent [00:26:57] zone, are [00:27:01] some structural problems, security annex that makes the [00:27:05] the framework agreement unable to reach that, it's going to stop at some point because neither [00:27:08] Israel, neither hisb and there are no [00:27:12] mechanism to force them to do this, so the agreement was was signed [00:27:16] on the assumption that hizballah will voluntary [00:27:19] accept, because neither Israel government [00:27:22] can disarm by force as we saw in in the [00:27:26] last year, so it's a very complex issue, part of [00:27:30] it, it has to be related. decision in Tehran because [00:27:34] the US Iran talks, part of it are leban Israeli, [00:27:38] long decades of [00:27:41] oftension, especially what [00:27:45] most ofceive as continuous [00:27:48] Israeli aggression as we see in the last truck in Beirout just [00:27:52] before the last spire, and we have problems inside Lebanon, which is the [00:27:56] relation between the government and how it will be [00:27:59] after after these... or whatever is happening [00:28:03] on the border, so those are all complex issue, but but the [00:28:07] framework agreement presented by the US now or in this [00:28:11] talks doesn't desolve resolve the same [00:28:14] the core dilemma or the core problem in what's happening [00:28:17] at south level, and there you have the best of our [00:28:21] newsmakers for this week, thanks so much for being with us and remember to follow us on [00:28:25] social media, don't forget to subscribe to our youtube channel, I'm Andrea [00:28:29] sanki, we'll see you next week. 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