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[00:00:00] of
[00:00:06] of Iran
[00:00:10] says talks with Omana headed
[00:00:12] of in of the right direction for the opening of a temporary new route for ships
[00:00:16] of transiting the
[00:00:17] of straight of hormos. Hello and welcome to
[00:00:20] a TRT World live from Istanbul, I'm Yashni Padiachi. Also
[00:00:24] coming on up on the program, Russia
[00:00:26] of attacks Kief and a military warehouse in the
[00:00:29] of black sea. as the Serbian president voices support for
[00:00:32] Ukraine's territorial
[00:00:34] of integrity. UNICEF report says
[00:00:37] Palestinian children in Gaza have
[00:00:39] of born the brunt of
[00:00:40] of Israeli attacks with one child killed daily since the
[00:00:44] October cease
[00:00:46] of fire. And the risk for children in Sudan is
[00:00:49] of also rising. A UN report warns at least 8 million are
[00:00:53] suffering due to the civil
[00:01:01] of of war. of
[00:01:08] Iran
[00:01:08] of and Oman remain positive
[00:01:10] of on an outcome from their talks on the straight of hormoz. Oman has called
[00:01:14] the talks constructive, while Iran's top diplomats says they're headed
[00:01:18] in the right direction, but Iran's
[00:01:21] of revolutionary guard remains cautious,
[00:01:24] of of saying commitments from the US are vital. Iran's foreign minister
[00:01:28] says a deal with Oman is...
[00:01:32] of straight
[00:01:41] of
[00:01:42] a of
[00:01:50] of of
[00:01:54] of
[00:01:56] of
[00:02:02] of
[00:02:08] depends on different
[00:02:09] of conditions, of among which is compensation for us violations
[00:02:13] of the memorandum of
[00:02:15] of understanding. a spokes person for the IRGC says current talks
[00:02:19] have nothing to do with the straight and it can allow traffic to pass
[00:02:23] through if Washington accepts all of its conditions such as
[00:02:27] a lifting of of the blockade of its ports. meanwile US media is reporting
[00:02:31] of the chairman
[00:02:31] of the joint chiefs of staff Dan kane believes Washington needs
[00:02:35] to adopt a new strategy in the war because air strikes alone are
[00:02:39] unlikely to
[00:02:40] in accomplish in the administration's goals. He's
[00:02:43] in discussed
[00:02:43] a the possibility of an offramp
[00:02:44] of with other senior US officials. One of
[00:02:48] those officials is Vice President JD Vans who says the US is still
[00:02:51] talking to Iran we have given assurances no
[00:02:54] a tolls will be charged for ships passing through the straight. Calling it
[00:02:58] a game. said Tehron remains desperate to end the
[00:03:02] war. Speaking to Fox News, Van said
[00:03:05] of Washington will decide on the outcome once it gets a clear picture of what
[00:03:09] offer is on the table and if they meet the
[00:03:12] a US's
[00:03:13] of requirements. of We've destroyed their nuclear program, we've destroyed their conventional
[00:03:17] military, we've radically reduced their what you might call their
[00:03:20] of asymmetric military abilities, and right now we're trying to see if
[00:03:24] they're willing
[00:03:25] of to make
[00:03:25] a the kind of long-term changes that would be necessary to have better
[00:03:29] of relationship with. the United States, and if not, uh, that's fine too, we're just going to
[00:03:33] keep on applying the pressure that we can apply, and getting as much oil and
[00:03:37] gas out
[00:03:37] of the middle lease. Our North America correspondent John
[00:03:41] Bray is in Washington DC with more details on Vance's TV
[00:03:45] appearance. Well, he's talking about the pressure
[00:03:49] being ramped up
[00:03:50] a economically, diplomatically, and
[00:03:53] a militarily, and although his message does appear far more
[00:03:57] coherent than Donald Trump, is optimism, just
[00:04:01] like the president's doesn't seem to have any real basisuh
[00:04:05] as far as the evidence goes from what we've
[00:04:07] of seen, and what
[00:04:08] of we understand,
[00:04:09] of and as you've been explaining, the Iranians are still claiming
[00:04:13] their influence over the straight of famous, their right to
[00:04:17] impose tolls upon the straight, and there's
[00:04:21] of even talk in that
[00:04:22] in agreement with a man about stopping US and
[00:04:29] in of Israeli shipping from going through, now none of this will be acceptable to the
[00:04:29] in American. but JD
[00:04:31] of Vance, just like Donald
[00:04:32] of Trump, insists that the Americans are directly negotiating with
[00:04:36] Iran, and JD Vance,
[00:04:38] of basically implying that the
[00:04:41] of Americans hold all the leverage, he says the nuclear
[00:04:44] a capability has been
[00:04:45] of destroyed, their military has been virtually
[00:04:48] destroyed
[00:04:50] of and they're suffering economically,
[00:04:52] a so it's all a question about the
[00:04:53] of Americans now making sure they're going to get
[00:04:57] of what they want from this deal, but as I said... Uh,
[00:05:00] there's no clear
[00:05:03] of message coming from the Iranian side,
[00:05:06] of of which backs up the assertion that JD Vance is giving, the vice president
[00:05:09] saying that we're at the middle
[00:05:11] of the game. Turkish foreign
[00:05:15] minister Han fidan says reaching the agreement on the straight of hormos
[00:05:18] is now close as international pressure intensifies for deal
[00:05:22] to be
[00:05:23] reached.
[00:05:29] What everyone is currently working towards is reaching an agreement that
[00:05:33] would allow
[00:05:34] the straight to reopen even
[00:05:36] temporarily.
[00:05:42] then reach an advanced stage. Oman and Iran are currently working
[00:05:46] a procedure between themselves as they are located another
[00:05:50] southern and northern sides the straight respectively. We
[00:05:54] believe we are close to reaching an agreement. However,
[00:05:58] we see that the decision making process within Iran could take some
[00:06:02] time due to security concerns. At the moment,
[00:06:06] countries in the region as well as the United States, Western Europe and
[00:06:10] Asia are calling for the straight to.
[00:06:20] Our diplomatic correspondent Andrew Hopkins says more from
[00:06:23] Ankara. He's been asked about what the latest state of
[00:06:27] play is about the talk surrounding the straight reformers, because obviously
[00:06:31] we've seen the last 24 hours or so the United States saying
[00:06:35] deal is close again, but we have been in the
[00:06:38] situation several times already in hakam fidan talking to
[00:06:42] Anna. Anadolo agency here in Turkey, he's saying that he believes
[00:06:46] that talks are at an advanced stage,
[00:06:49] however uh, he says there won't necessarily be
[00:06:52] announcement imminently because the decision making
[00:06:56] process within Iran, and that may take some time as well,
[00:07:00] so it's not clear exactly when this agreement is going to
[00:07:03] be finalized, whether it's going to be a question of few hours or
[00:07:07] few days, but clearly lot of countries in the region and further field want to
[00:07:11] see the straight... of hors opened because the
[00:07:15] problems it's been causing to the international economy and the price of
[00:07:18] fuel all around the
[00:07:19] world. new
[00:07:23] deal between Turkia, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan has committed them
[00:07:27] each other's defense, as fallout from the war on Iran prompts new
[00:07:31] concerns around the region. the agreement has been signed in Mecca
[00:07:35] and will see closer military corporation and include a
[00:07:39] NATO style collective defense clause, which means an attack. on
[00:07:42] one will be considered attack on all, the Turkish President
[00:07:46] said the agreement reaffirms the right to self-defense as defined in
[00:07:50] the UN charter. recepan explained it's not
[00:07:54] directed against any country and is open to the participation
[00:07:58] of all brotherly nations seeking to promote peace,
[00:08:01] prosperity and stability
[00:08:03] in the region. he said turkey will resolutely maintain its
[00:08:07] principal stance on resolving conflicts and crises through
[00:08:11] dialogue and diplomacy based on respect for international
[00:08:14] law. the turkish foreign minister echoed the president
[00:08:18] statement while adding the alliance is likely to expand beyond its founding
[00:08:22] three members with Egypt among potential
[00:08:25] participants. there is a
[00:08:28] strong determination to address or at least contain the
[00:08:32] instability in the region and to improve the prosperity of its
[00:08:35] people through greater economic and social
[00:08:38] integration. the intellectual and conceptual ground.
[00:08:42] and planning are already in place. We are working on how
[00:08:46] implement these plans institutionally. NATO's
[00:08:50] greatest deterrance is its ability to develop defensive
[00:08:54] position. In other words, the message is, if you attack
[00:08:58] me, I'm prepared. I have the military strength of such a
[00:09:01] large community behind me, so do not test my
[00:09:04] strength. As result, I'm not attacked, and within the
[00:09:08] region where I live, I can focus on resolving political and...
[00:09:12] economical problems developing and moving towards a more
[00:09:16] normal path.
[00:09:17] this is important because violence, war and suffering are what
[00:09:21] stand in the way of development. by strengthening your
[00:09:25] deterrence, you help prevent that.
[00:09:29] met chelik is the editorial coordinator for the daily saba
[00:09:33] newspaper. he explains how the mecca agreement is not an
[00:09:36] alternative to NATO. when we when we
[00:09:40] talk about attack and the countries demand some sort of support,
[00:09:44] there will be different tiers to deal with, do they need intelligence, do they
[00:09:48] need let's say military equipment or defense
[00:09:52] industry equipment, or do they need an actual all-out
[00:09:55] coordinated military support? so this these
[00:09:59] different tiers will be discussed, but I think one the the common
[00:10:03] understanding is that this is not something that is
[00:10:06] alternative to NATO, but it comes from vision that
[00:10:10] seeks to, at least for the region to... own the problems and
[00:10:13] own the solutions at the same time without
[00:10:16] interference the third parties, especially when it comes to
[00:10:20] collective defense, for I think, for for
[00:10:24] very long..." time some the regional countries had depended on
[00:10:27] external powers for their defense, I think this
[00:10:31] establishment will eliminate that reliability problem and
[00:10:35] trust problem the third parties outside the region. Nevertheless,
[00:10:39] when it comes to Turkia's position regarding NATO, it has been
[00:10:42] clear that of course, there is a there is
[00:10:46] about the article 5 issue, this is going to how,
[00:10:50] this is going to be discussed how it will affect Turkia's position within NATO,
[00:10:54] but but this is not this is one that is
[00:10:57] defense motivated rather than an offensive
[00:11:01] one, so if Turkey is attacked for example, Turkey will have
[00:11:05] to defend itself through NATO or through this new establishment, but if the
[00:11:09] other countries attacked, because Turkia is not part of
[00:11:12] that, I mean because they are not part of NATO, Turkey
[00:11:16] can still support those countries at different levels, if
[00:11:20] Turkey has attack ultimately because of this problem,
[00:11:23] again... Turkia is a NATO country and then you will be
[00:11:27] discussed how NATO can support defending Turkia when if there
[00:11:31] isn't if there isn't a provoked
[00:11:35] attack on Turkia um from
[00:11:38] the neighboring countries from the region or from any other actors the international
[00:11:41] from the international community then Turkey will have multi
[00:11:45] tier defense mechanisms at place one them will
[00:11:49] be this new mechanism but of course TK is part of NATO that has to be
[00:11:53] also in place as well.
[00:12:01] Serbian president Alexander Vuchit says his government will support
[00:12:05] Ukraine's independence and seek to strengthen economic
[00:12:08] cooperation between the two countries. Valadimir Zelensky is
[00:12:12] making his first presidential visit to Serbia as Vuchit seeks
[00:12:16] to balance Balgrad's EU ambitions with its longstanding ties to
[00:12:20] Russia. Vuchic has condemned Moscow's invasion of
[00:12:24] Ukraine. but has refused to impose sanctions and remains heavily
[00:12:28] dependent on Russian gas. Zelensky says he needs
[00:12:31] advanced weapons to fight
[00:12:33] Russia. We have now reached an
[00:12:37] agreement with Trump that will grant the licenses, but just imagine if we had received them
[00:12:41] four years ago. We would already be manufacturing patriots for
[00:12:44] everyone, believe me, and Europe, the parts of Europe that
[00:12:48] want and would like to have patriots, anti-ballistic systems and
[00:12:51] missiles would already have them all. I'm absolutely.
[00:13:25] person has been killed during an overnight attack on the capital. Russia's
[00:13:29] defense ministry says its forces also struck military
[00:13:32] warehouses containing communications and electronic warfare
[00:13:36] equipment in the black sea port of Odessa. And in the port of
[00:13:40] Mikholaiv, Russian forces hit a cargo vessel carrying
[00:13:43] military equipment and a warehouse storing weapons and military
[00:13:47] supplies. The fighting has left regional powers concerned
[00:13:51] with Turkey now calling both sides to halt strikes in the black.
[00:13:57] Authorities say fire at the Ilskiy oil refinery in
[00:14:00] Russia's southern Krasnodar region has been extinguished. Russia's
[00:14:04] defense ministry said its air defenses destroy 397
[00:14:08] Ukrainian drones over multiple regions overnight. Ukrainian
[00:14:12] officials have confirmed the strikes saying keve hit both the
[00:14:16] Ilski and Sirzan oil refineries causing fires at
[00:14:20] both. Our correspondent Jolflin reports from
[00:14:22] Keiv.
[00:14:25] I think uh, in terms of what he was expecting from the the talks
[00:14:28] and the discussions between Serbia and
[00:14:32] Ukraine themselves, it was probably not an awful lot, the two have
[00:14:35] regularly had meetings, indeed Vutic was in uh Ukraine just last
[00:14:39] month, so this is not unusual in that regard, and we have heard
[00:14:43] Zilinski talking up economic cooperation, they have mooted uh joint
[00:14:47] development projects uh planned as well, things around energy and
[00:14:50] infrastructure, but beyond that of course the question that Ukraine has at the
[00:14:54] moment is... specifically around defense, and we haven't heard anything about
[00:14:58] how Serbia may or may not contribute to that in the future. what we have
[00:15:02] heard from Zelinsky talking in Belgrade today is that the that the Ukrainians have now
[00:15:06] secured a monthly deal to deliver patriot interceptors
[00:15:10] from the United States. we don't know in what
[00:15:13] quantities, however, and that is key question for Ukraine as it struggles
[00:15:17] under the volume of ballistic missile attacks that are hitting Keeve
[00:15:21] and other parts the country a a weekly basis and on
[00:15:25] Tuesday we saw at least 17 people killed by huge ballistic
[00:15:29] strike that hit the capital and other parts the country as
[00:15:32] well, but this is not an insignificant for issue for
[00:15:36] Ukraine at the moment and it is facturing into all the discussions that Zelinski is
[00:15:39] having with all of his partners across Europe um how to
[00:15:43] get interceptors and specifically these patriot
[00:15:46] interceptors that aren't uh just not with coming and not forth
[00:15:50] coming in in Ukraine but are really in thin volumes right across Europe as
[00:15:54] well we know that the United States has been heavily using them as result of its
[00:15:58] war with Iran but how that factors into the broader question of defense around
[00:16:02] Europe and Ukraine is issue uh that is uh really
[00:16:05] really uh top level of discussions among
[00:16:09] diplomats
[00:16:10] and among leaders. high up
[00:16:13] in the skies above Ukraine, with not a person
[00:16:16] in sight, there is a battle being waged. it is new
[00:16:20] stage of Kiev's conflict with Russia, one that is pushing the
[00:16:24] frontiers of technology and the economics of
[00:16:27] warfare, yet the implications of this fight for air
[00:16:30] superiority are on the
[00:16:32] ground. few weapons
[00:16:36] have played as big role,
[00:17:08] a UAV developed by Ukrainian defense firm Wild
[00:17:10] Hornets. The company says sting has down thousands of
[00:17:14] Russian Shaheads since entering regular service last
[00:17:18] year. This isn't just about technology, it is about
[00:17:21] altering the economics of warfare. These things are smaller,
[00:17:25] they are cheaper, they are more scalable. They can't stop ballistic missiles, but
[00:17:29] Ukraine believes this is how it alters the balance of power
[00:17:33] against drones in its skies, but systems like these cannot stop
[00:17:37] the... ballistic missiles that have killed dozens across Ukraine over the
[00:17:41] last week. President Vladimir Zelinsky has said that without new interceptors,
[00:17:45] specifically US patriots, it is unable to stop
[00:17:48] them. yet in exclusive comments to TRT World, Ukrainian drome
[00:17:52] makaker fire point claims it may have another answer,
[00:17:56] involving its long-range attack drone, the FP1. We need
[00:17:59] a Starling connectivity over Russia. If
[00:18:03] we had this, we could destroy all the launchers for ballistic missiles.
[00:18:07] "you are saying that if Elon Musk gave you permission to use Starlink
[00:18:11] over Russian territory, that you could stop all ballistic
[00:18:14] missiles from coming in to Ukraine, yes we already have all the
[00:18:18] instruments for this. I think any way we need to
[00:18:21] also provide antiballistic capabilities, but if we're talking
[00:18:25] about plug and play solution, yes this is the most crucial change that
[00:18:29] could happen in the moment. If the claim is correct, it
[00:18:33] would shift the equation of Ukraine's ballistic defense from one of..."
[00:18:37] interceptors towards one of offensive reach
[00:18:41] and polition. Zelinskiy is currently in
[00:18:44] negotiations over patriot interceptors with the US and has also
[00:18:48] asked President Donald Trump about using Starlink over Russian
[00:18:52] territory. The battle in Ukraine's skies may be
[00:18:55] determining the next stage in this war, yet it is discussions in the
[00:18:59] political halls of power that could yet decide its
[00:19:02] future. Joflyn trt World in
[00:19:05] Kieve. At least. 300 children have
[00:19:08] reportedly been killed in Gaza in the 300 days since the cease fire was
[00:19:12] announced late last year. UNICEF says that
[00:19:16] amounts to average of one child killed every day.
[00:19:19] Childhood is meant to be a time of play and learning, but many
[00:19:23] children in Gaza taking adult responsibilities. Our
[00:19:26] correspondent Ashif Shannon reports from the
[00:19:29] enclave. After
[00:19:33] more than nine months of seasfire which exists and name only many
[00:19:37] family. is in Gaza remain displaced and without a stable source of
[00:19:40] income. According to UNICEF, more than 56,000
[00:19:44] children have lost one of both parents or primary
[00:19:48] caregivers during Israel's war on the enclave,
[00:19:52] while hundreds of thousands continue to face severe disruptions to
[00:19:56] their education and daily lives. For many these families,
[00:19:59] the death of father has meant the loss the households only
[00:20:03] bread winner, forcing children to shoulder responsibilities.
[00:20:07] far beyond their years, one them is 13 year
[00:20:11] old Karim Abufakr. Instead of carrying school books,
[00:20:15] Karim sells chilled water in his camp using a small solar
[00:20:19] powered cooler. He turns simple idea into a
[00:20:23] way to support his family. My father was killed during the
[00:20:27] war so I had to have my family, my grandparents and everyone who
[00:20:30] depends on me. I'm the only one supporting them. I collect
[00:20:34] food from the community kitchen and provide for my family. I had to
[00:20:38] leave school because I no longer have time to study, other children are
[00:20:42] still in school, but I was forced to give up my education to help my
[00:20:45] family. Is restrictions on humanitarian aid have also left
[00:20:49] families. with increasingly limited
[00:20:51] options. I'm a mother of four
[00:20:55] children and since my husband's death, we have had no
[00:20:59] source of income. Karim, my elder son, has taken on
[00:21:03] the responsibility of supporting his younger siblings. For thousands
[00:21:07] of children in Gaza, the seasfire has not brought an end to hardship.
[00:21:11] Nine months on families are still facing displacement, poverty and
[00:21:15] the pain of losing loved ones. 10 year
[00:21:19] old Muhammad. alam now spends his days working a
[00:21:22] traditional clay oven instead of attending school, across
[00:21:26] Gaza's displacement camps, the same scenes unfold every
[00:21:30] day, we have no source of income
[00:21:34] and no money to rely on, so I had to send my son to work at the
[00:21:38] clay oven here in the camp, even if he earns $2
[00:21:42] a day, it helps us buy vegetables and basic food, I am
[00:21:45] responsible for six family members and Muhammad, my eldest son, is
[00:21:50] one helping provide for our family, with more than
[00:21:53] 637,000 children out of formal
[00:21:56] education, many are losing not only their
[00:21:59] classrooms, but the chance to experience normal
[00:22:03] childhood. Ashraf Shanan, TRT World,
[00:22:06] Gaza. Demonstrations are being held in Tel
[00:22:10] Aviv, part the weekly anti-government protests against
[00:22:14] Benjamin Netanyahu's administration and against settler
[00:22:17] violence in the occupied West Bank. Our correspondent Muhammad
[00:22:21] al-qasim reports from the rally, tonight
[00:22:25] feels different in Tel Aviv, another demonstration,
[00:22:28] anti-government, anti-war, anti illegal settler and
[00:22:32] settlement demonstration, but this time it feels different and the answer
[00:22:36] is simple, it's time, and this is one the reasons why many
[00:22:40] the protesters here tonight have been carrying signs
[00:22:43] that says save Israel with the date the
[00:22:47] elections to October 27th is...
[00:23:20] they say that his uh prolonged wars, conflicts
[00:23:24] has hurt the economy, deepened the division within
[00:23:28] Israeli society, and the argument hasn't changed, but
[00:23:31] 80 days from an election, it has become
[00:23:35] something more urgent, a political countdown
[00:23:39] of some sort. Netanyahu has been struggling in the polls, he's
[00:23:43] been losing to his main contender, Gaty Eazenkot, a
[00:23:47] former Israeli military chief of staff, his
[00:24:21] The UN has once again raised the alarm over the impact of
[00:24:24] Sudan's war on children, warning the country risks losing
[00:24:28] an entire generation to the conflict. The UN says at least
[00:24:32] 8 million school age children are currently away from
[00:24:35] classrooms. Since 2024, the UN has documented more
[00:24:39] than 150 schools being used for military purposes,
[00:24:43] while at least 67 have been attacked. The
[00:24:46] crisis is particularly severe in Darfur. when nearly
[00:24:50] three quarters of schools have been destroyed or rendered
[00:24:53] unusable since the war began. the region includes
[00:24:57] Alfasher, one the main centers the conflict. after
[00:25:01] more than 1200 days of war, nearly half of Sudan's teachers have gone
[00:25:05] without salaries, but many continue to teach under
[00:25:08] extremely difficult conditions. Joseph
[00:25:12] Okeano is an East Africa political analyst and says the
[00:25:16] Rapid support forces targets communities and schools as a
[00:25:20] markening tool against the Sudanese
[00:25:21] army,
[00:25:24] predominantly RSF, is they more than any
[00:25:28] other group that are most likely to actually
[00:25:32] attack villages and civilian populations either in
[00:25:35] revenge or as means to
[00:25:39] determine equation in which they want to have an upper hand for the
[00:25:43] moment? this is effectively national army that
[00:25:46] split nearly 50/50 except with one
[00:25:50] group that has got a tendency almost of being
[00:25:54] an equivalent of a terror group in their own nation
[00:25:57] state, but backed by powerful
[00:26:01] wealthy nation, in United Arab Emirates
[00:26:04] and backed by huge amount of money,
[00:26:08] sufficiently well trained and well equipped determined guys
[00:26:12] were almost driven by sort of like material gain and
[00:26:15] power, not necessarily ideology but with
[00:26:19] impunity and it makes it extremely
[00:26:23] grows some. remember this is not a conflict that you could
[00:26:27] confine to only four years, prior to the four years there was
[00:26:30] a more than a generation of conflicts in Dafu,
[00:26:34] part of which was basically effective war of genocide, and I
[00:26:38] know young teachers on the continent in
[00:26:42] non direct conflict situations who go without pay, but they wake
[00:26:46] up and continue to go, so credit to teachers, but in the Sudanese
[00:26:49] aspect, there is no alternative, part the other is an element of
[00:26:53] hope that you just have to keep
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[00:30:14] main headlines. Iran and Oman remain positive on an
[00:30:18] outcome from their talks to open the straight of Hormus. Oman has called the
[00:30:22] talks constructive, while Iran's top diplomats says they're headed in the
[00:30:26] right direction. Abbas Arakchi also says both sides are
[00:30:30] discussing a temporary route for ships to pass through.
[00:30:34] "the talks are about a temporary route, we're almost very
[00:30:37] close to the result, determining this route by Iran and Oman does
[00:30:41] not necessarily mean the reopening the straight of Hamus, that is
[00:30:45] dependent on other factors, the violations the memorandum of
[00:30:49] understanding by America should be compensated, the current situation,
[00:30:53] I should say clearly is result of violating the memorandum of
[00:30:56] understanding by America. Vice President JD
[00:31:00] Vans says the US under. Iran talks are ongoing and
[00:31:04] assurances have been given, no toll will be charged from ships
[00:31:08] passing through the straight. Speaking to Fox News, he said
[00:31:11] Washington will decide on the outcome once it gets a... clear picture of
[00:31:15] what offers on the table and if they meet the US's
[00:31:18] requirements: we've destroyed their nuclear program, we've
[00:31:22] destroyed their conventional military, we've radically reduced their what
[00:31:26] you might call their asymmetric military abilities, and right now we're trying to
[00:31:30] see if they're willing to make the kind of long-term changes that would
[00:31:34] be necessary to have better relationship with the United States, and if not
[00:31:38] uh that's fine too, we're just going to keep on applying the pressure that we can apply
[00:31:42] and getting as much oil and gas out the Middle East.
[00:31:46] Turkia, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan have signed a landmark defense
[00:31:50] pact in Mecca, pledging attack on one will be treated as an
[00:31:54] attack on all. The Turkish President says the deal reaffirms the
[00:31:57] right to self-defense and is not aimed any country.
[00:32:01] The deal comes as tensions have grown across the region since the war on
[00:32:05] Iran started. And Russian overnight
[00:32:09] strikes on Ukraine's Kive region have killed three people, including a
[00:32:13] child. Three others were injured when multiple
[00:32:16] locations just outside the capital were also hit. this
[00:32:20] comes as president Zelensky is in Belgrade on his first
[00:32:23] official visit to Serbia, one the few European
[00:32:27] countries that has maintained friendly relations with
[00:32:30] Russia and continues to get gas from
[00:32:33] Moscow. the news continues on TRT
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[00:32:50] Coming up on this week's review of roundtable,
[00:32:53] Spain's mass surge of migrants into thelter sparks
[00:32:57] diplomatic row. In Hungary,
[00:33:01] Peter sets about dismanthling Victor Orban's system, but
[00:33:04] is he going too far? The EU gets the
[00:33:08] green light to Trump proof the euro with its own
[00:33:12] digital currency, and how the... race could
[00:33:16] be impacting the climate we live in and the water we
[00:33:20] drink.
[00:33:35] hello and welcome to the review of round table. i'm Ryan and
[00:33:39] Jones. European border security is under scrutinyy after
[00:33:42] more than 60,000 migrants. swam and climbed their way into
[00:33:46] thelter, the Spanish enclave on the Moroccan coast. Spanish
[00:33:50] authorities say all but 2000 have been returned to
[00:33:54] Morocco, but EU authorities have called on Spain to
[00:33:58] strengthen its borders. Spanish prime minister Pedro
[00:34:01] Sanchez has accused traffickers of causing the crisis, which
[00:34:05] left 78 people dead. You've argued that the
[00:34:09] EU migration pact, it creates
[00:34:12] incentives for illegal migration. so what
[00:34:16] should Europe be doing differently and in
[00:34:19] particular looking at Hungary as an
[00:34:22] example of of Europe's or one of Europe's tougher
[00:34:26] borders? well the government
[00:34:30] has done the same mistake as the European Union has in terms of
[00:34:34] being very weak on border protection against illegal immigration.
[00:34:38] just to put this into context, this crisis, the last couple
[00:34:42] of months in Spain have been about the question: of
[00:34:45] legalizing hundreds of thousands in
[00:34:49] Spain and basically granting them regular
[00:34:52] status, although they entered illegally. if then
[00:34:56] there's another piece of news and we've discussed this
[00:34:59] already that some people, it was circulating in
[00:35:03] networks or maybe even in media that people who
[00:35:07] enter seuta illegally will be allowed to
[00:35:10] stay, well that is fueled by the months and
[00:35:14] months - previously where the Spanish
[00:35:17] government has moved forward on legalizing hundreds of thousands
[00:35:21] of illegals, so obviously there's a pull factor created
[00:35:25] by politics, created by the socialist government in Spain, and also
[00:35:29] created with what you mentioned, the EU migration pact, because what is the EU
[00:35:33] migration pact about? It's about distributing the
[00:35:36] burden of illegal immigration across Europe to all
[00:35:40] countries in without stopping illegal entry,
[00:35:44] that... should be the first priority the European Union, that was the first
[00:35:48] priority of our government in Hungary since the
[00:35:51] 2015 migration crisis and it was
[00:35:54] successful one, you can stop
[00:35:58] illegal immigrants at the borders, um, of
[00:36:02] course there's a lot of pressure from media, there's
[00:36:06] a lot of pressure from NGOs and there was a lot of pressure on Hungary from the
[00:36:10] European Commission, just to remind the viewers, we were find 1 million
[00:36:14] euros per day, plus a sum of 200 million
[00:36:17] euros to change our laws and to allow illegal
[00:36:20] immigrants to enter the territory of Hungary and therefore the
[00:36:24] Shengen zone and do asylum
[00:36:27] procedures for illegals who are already in the EU, then
[00:36:31] usually disappear, so this is very
[00:36:35] bad, there's a very bad 10 years looking back in
[00:36:39] terms of European migration policy and water protection, and
[00:36:43] what has we have witnessed in Spain in the last couple of months
[00:36:47] now, is a turbo boosting of this very bad
[00:36:51] policy, and basically giving out a free
[00:36:54] blank check to legal immigrants, you're telling them, 'well you're here
[00:36:58] illegally, we'll just legalize you. what should
[00:37:02] people think who were contemplating on entering the EU
[00:37:05] illegally? if not that this is the moment to go. on that
[00:37:09] look, Pablo Andres mentioned that the suspended schengen
[00:37:13] arrangements backed by Finland and
[00:37:16] Denmark, that was by Italy, what's your opinion on that
[00:37:20] on Andres's anders's thoughts that was it justified?
[00:37:24] not at all, I mean at the end the day the schengen area was not in any' danger right, there still
[00:37:28] a and Zeuta has very specific arrangement with the rest of
[00:37:32] continental europe as it were, and there have to be border controls and there are
[00:37:36] passport controls going from thta
[00:37:38] to to continental spain as it were right, so not a single mangrad made it to the schengen
[00:37:42] area, I don't see,
[00:37:43] I don't remember, I haven't recalled, I haven't seen anybody from this particular w of
[00:37:46] migrants appearing at the borders of Hungary or any other European
[00:37:50] country, the vast majority them went back and turned back and return to
[00:37:53] Morocco, yes this shouldn't have happened, it's a very bad
[00:37:57] look right, it's a terrible look, and there may be an argument to
[00:38:01] be made about this has been partially influenced by the recent
[00:38:05] legalization or regularization of migrants in spain from Pedro
[00:38:08] sanchez, and we'll find out about that more. the
[00:38:12] regularization of of of migrants that just happened in April in Spain was
[00:38:16] primarily aimed at Latin America, particularly
[00:38:19] Colombian, Venezuelan, Ecuadorians, some Mexicans,
[00:38:23] Argentinians, lot more migration from Latin America, there were of course some people from Northern
[00:38:26] Africas. well right, but it's a different different phenomenon, most migrants that
[00:38:30] come through Europe from Spain do not do it through the enclave of
[00:38:34] Theuta because the still have to go through the sea all the way to continental
[00:38:38] Spain and it's a lot harder to do so, so
[00:38:41] it is not a great look, it's terrible, but I think I'll be very careful with the language as
[00:38:45] well, how we portrayed this as well, this was not an invasion, the schengen area
[00:38:49] was not under threat, it was terrible event, and let's not forget as
[00:38:52] well the human cost of this crisis, because at least 70 people los their
[00:38:56] lives. something that was completely avoidable, right? so I think we have to be
[00:39:00] careful with how we portray this, how we paint this? yeah, absolutely. I mean, Pablo said it
[00:39:04] there, Zoe, let's not forget about the more than 50 people that
[00:39:08] reportedly um dead as result of of
[00:39:11] this, has the political debate here in
[00:39:15] your view, overshadowed the the humanitarian
[00:39:19] tragedy that we saw? yeah, I think I think that's
[00:39:23] probably fair to say, the focus has been on the
[00:39:25] politics um, rather than the lives lost,
[00:39:29] we know that the people in thota, although many them have
[00:39:33] shown some solidarity with the people who are still there, the the
[00:39:37] migrants, many them are minors, so that procedure for
[00:39:40] repatriation is a bit more complex, they have shown
[00:39:44] solidarity, the authorities they have taken the most the
[00:39:48] necessary humanitarian steps, i think there's a sort
[00:39:52] of a divided feeling between compassion and concern for
[00:39:56] those individuals, arrived on the beach
[00:39:59] with with literally just the clothes on their back versus the
[00:40:03] massive numbers that that in flooded in as we know the
[00:40:07] population of thot is around 8000 so it was almost the
[00:40:11] same number of migrants who arrived on on the shores so this
[00:40:15] obviously um
[00:40:16] you know cause caused people to sort of retreat into their homes close up
[00:40:20] shops etc. so i think there is there is this rather
[00:40:23] awkward confrontation that people are having to face here in spain.
[00:40:27] themselves, how to what extent do we show our
[00:40:31] concern and our compassion for those in in the position
[00:40:35] the migrants versus our sense of
[00:40:38] security and our sense of sort of
[00:40:41] secured borders, so yeah, I think it's a very, it's a very
[00:40:45] difficult difficult one
[00:40:47] for for many people here in
[00:40:48] Spain.
[00:40:53] In April, Peter, Victor Orban to become Hungarian.
[00:40:57] minister following a 16-year reign. Majar has vowed to
[00:41:01] dismantle what he calls the corrupt and illiberal system
[00:41:04] established under Orban. He's in the process of removing
[00:41:08] key officials and launching corruption probes into the former
[00:41:12] Prime Minister's inner circle. Some are hailing the new government for
[00:41:16] cleaning up Hungarian politics, while critics are calling it a
[00:41:20] destruction the rule of law. Hungary, let's not forget,
[00:41:24] has billions of euros in frozen EU funds.
[00:41:28] at stake here, so to what extent is the
[00:41:31] pace of Majar's reforms being driven by this August
[00:41:35] deadline here, well the thing is
[00:41:39] um uh... would uh, I would say that the,
[00:41:43] I wouldn't use the word reforms that you have used
[00:41:46] earlier, this is, this is retribution and the
[00:41:50] government is is a government of avengers, the
[00:41:54] Peter is using the dismantling
[00:41:57] the what he calls the urban regime as
[00:42:00] smoke screen to actually destroy the entire
[00:42:04] Hungarian conservative national network and and
[00:42:08] sphere, and this is exactly. what is expected of
[00:42:11] him to do
[00:42:13] and what is what is happening
[00:42:17] with
[00:42:17] the with what you asking about the speed of the reforms
[00:42:21] um we all wanted reforms and and I
[00:42:25] think this was Victor Orban's mistake that he didn't listen
[00:42:29] to the independent Hungarian Conservative network
[00:42:33] that was asking for reform and
[00:42:35] there was a bubble around Fedes but what we got is is uh is
[00:42:39] basically destruction the rule of law in Hungary and
[00:42:43] the neostalinist cult of personality against
[00:42:47] around Peter, this is this is not reform and it should not
[00:42:50] be should not be called that and all these comparisons,
[00:42:54] well this is exactly what what Victor
[00:42:58] Orban did earlier for 16 years, I don't think
[00:43:02] they stand
[00:43:04] the the test of reality, we did not have political prisoners as
[00:43:08] we do, the uh offices and and the
[00:43:11] servers the opposition party have not been raided by
[00:43:15] Victor Orban, the president was not forced
[00:43:19] out, etc., etc., so these comparisons of of
[00:43:23] any sort of existing parallels are are limping in my
[00:43:26] view. Gerge, Daniel there calling it
[00:43:29] retribution, Mark calling it normal
[00:43:33] politics, where's the line
[00:43:36] between transitional justice and political revenge?
[00:43:42] It's hard to say really because um obviously retribution or
[00:43:46] writing the wrongs the onsian regime was one the
[00:43:49] major things that the electorate has requested
[00:43:53] and well the Hungarian public is used to this
[00:43:56] majoritarian politics partly because of what the Orban regime has done that basically
[00:44:00] whatever the majority be the majority of voters or the majority in
[00:44:04] parliament requires will happen regardless of whether that
[00:44:08] violates any princip. of rule of law, european
[00:44:11] standards
[00:44:12] or so and so on, but this has been a Hungarian
[00:44:16] staple in politics since the 90s. Hungary is the only country in
[00:44:20] the region that didn't have that hasn't had snap elections since
[00:44:23] 1990, every government in some way shape for
[00:44:26] form was there for four years, they were elected for four years, the
[00:44:30] parliament remained in place for four years, which is unusual in European politics.
[00:44:34] European politics is usually about lot of coalition disputes, lot of
[00:44:37] governments just dissolving early. being called, Hungary
[00:44:41] has not been subject to that, the Hungarian public is used to having a
[00:44:45] stable majority, and whatever the majority says pretty much goes.
[00:44:49] Mark, regular transition or not, recent polling does
[00:44:53] suggest that Teesa remains comfortably ahead,
[00:44:57] but support has slipped, so are you surprised that the government
[00:45:01] has has seen a drop in support so
[00:45:03] soon? not
[00:45:05] especially, once governments
[00:45:09] ' actually move implementing the promises uh that they
[00:45:13] make, and this applies not just to Hungary, but really anywhere you have democratic
[00:45:17] system, uh, the, some people
[00:45:21] in the populist will be, not as
[00:45:24] happy, they the promises and the way that they're kept, the
[00:45:28] concrete programmatic implementations
[00:45:32] will disappoint some people, and so you have, people who express their
[00:45:36] disappointment by responding to polls and poll numbers,
[00:45:40] drop
[00:45:41] uh, you know, the question, I think for Peter will be to pay attention to
[00:45:45] how low his pull numbers go,
[00:45:48] um, uh, and how, and to do course
[00:45:52] corrections, uh, if in fact it seems like uh,
[00:45:56] the way that he's implementing these policies are is
[00:46:00] impacting negatively his popularity in Hungary as a whole,
[00:46:04] and so far, there hasn't really been a lot of to move the
[00:46:08] needle a a strong negative direction, it's, it
[00:46:11] seems to me like it's just you know some people who are you know not
[00:46:15] exactly happy with the way that certain policies have been
[00:46:19] implemented and and that's for petard
[00:46:22] to to address if it becomes serious
[00:46:25] problem.
[00:46:30] the European Union is set to adopt a new digital euro an
[00:46:34] effort to advance the continent's financial independence in
[00:46:38] technology, almost two. thirds of card payments in the
[00:46:41] eurozone are handled by non-european companies.
[00:46:45] lawmakers argue payment systems are instrument of
[00:46:48] power, and the moves been framed as an effort to regain European
[00:46:52] independence from American payment systems. Why are
[00:46:56] they doing this? Well, I think the context the last few years is that
[00:47:00] we've had separate developments in the crypto world, in blockchain
[00:47:04] technologies, which central banks want to stay top of, and also on the other
[00:47:08] hand we have declining use of cash, so
[00:47:10] the original rational, and why the ECB started looking into central bank
[00:47:14] digital currency, by
[00:47:15] the way, not the only central bank in fact, most central banks are looking into some form
[00:47:19] their own digital currency is to preserve sort of. stable,
[00:47:23] secure access to digital form of cash for for people
[00:47:26] when cash sort of is a secular decline. um, over time, this
[00:47:30] started in 2020, and then over time with the new Trump
[00:47:33] administration,
[00:47:34] the the argument that's gained prominence is more about European sovereignty, monetary sovereignty
[00:47:38] and without cutting our reliance, if you will, on American
[00:47:42] payment providers, which we rely
[00:47:44] on so heavily, but that's really something that's sort of been added on later on, the
[00:47:48] initial context comes from really the technological development that happen in the world.
[00:47:52] as well as uh there's declining use of cash and it really started off
[00:47:56] as a small sort of technical working group at the ECB that's kind
[00:48:00] of gained the life of its own and and continued uh as as it
[00:48:04] often does. Cedric, to you, is that the primary
[00:48:07] motivation here that there's a huge reliance in Europe on
[00:48:10] American payment platforms like visa and
[00:48:14] mastercard and paypal, and the EU basically wants
[00:48:18] to have their own version. Yeah, of course it's
[00:48:22] a... motivation, yeah, even if this
[00:48:26] dominance of visa and mastercard and all the system is
[00:48:29] is quite different from the different countries in the
[00:48:33] euro zone. for example, in France, we we have our
[00:48:37] own banking card system called
[00:48:40] CB, so we are much more independent, but on
[00:48:44] the Northern country of Europe,
[00:48:45] the they heavily rely on the visa in mastercad, so yeah, it's a
[00:48:49] legitimate motivation, but Uh, in my opinion
[00:48:53] it's not the digital ear is not necessarily
[00:48:56] the the best solution to achieve better sovereignty, but we will talk
[00:49:00] about that. Thank you. Oliver, to you, so the
[00:49:03] EU wants financial resilience. It strikes me that they're a
[00:49:07] little bit late to this digital party that's going on. A lot of others have made
[00:49:11] big strides. Well, I don't think
[00:49:15] that's really an argument, because she can say better late than never. Now,
[00:49:19] different question if if if this is the right solution.
[00:49:23] um, but where we stand now we have that the European parliament voted
[00:49:27] overwhelmingly in favor to start negotiations with the member
[00:49:31] states on how we could shape this digital euro, so that's where we
[00:49:34] are, and tell me, you're quite optimistic about
[00:49:38] this,
[00:49:41] well, optimistic, I'm not sure if I'm optimistic, I'm just
[00:49:45] describing the situation as it is, the European parliament
[00:49:49] wants to have it, the member states now have to agree to it,
[00:49:53] "and even then, if we will have it in terms of legal
[00:49:57] foundation, still the European Central Bank needs to first start kind of a
[00:50:00] model, and then it can be introduced only later, I understand
[00:50:04] 1929,
[00:50:05] and you at the end the day, the citizens, the consumers decide
[00:50:09] if they like the digital euro or if they like any other forms of
[00:50:13] payment or whatever we have, and mind you, the
[00:50:17] world moves very fast, in 209, maybe everything looks
[00:50:20] different, thank you. how popular will this be,
[00:50:24] because I can't remember the last time I actually had cash and coins in my
[00:50:27] hands, but that
[00:50:28] is the big question,
[00:50:29] but it's
[00:50:29] important to know that the ECB or when it's rolled out, there will
[00:50:33] be different mechanisms that potentially can be uh used to incentivize
[00:50:37] or even force people to use the digital euro, for example,
[00:50:41] what if government transfers, if you're recipient of it are
[00:50:45] only paid in in this into your digital euro wallet, or if some
[00:50:49] form of payment can only be conducted in this, that's that's the uncertainty. "we can look at the
[00:50:53] example of China which is already rolled out, it's digital Yuan, and it's
[00:50:56] actually the the use has has grown very very fast, and part of that
[00:51:00] is because consumers and businesses are nudged or
[00:51:04] kind of forced to to use it through sort of
[00:51:08] concrete limits on their action of what they can do, or even expiry of imagine you
[00:51:12] get you some payment into your wallet, but it expires a few days, you need to spend
[00:51:15] it, so that's a way to nudge economic agents towards state
[00:51:19] objectives if you will, and tell me is
[00:51:21] there any..." concern about the the age and the demographics involved here,
[00:51:25] that
[00:51:26] you know young people will jump on board with this, they'll handle the technology, they'll have a digital
[00:51:29] wallet, but say pensioners, older people, vulnerable people, people
[00:51:33] who aren't texavy, got any concerns about them, well that's different
[00:51:37] rationals for why these digital currencies are are rolled out or central bank
[00:51:41] currencies, there's an example in the bahamas where it's a it's a set of
[00:51:45] remote islands that are prone to natural disasters where a lot of people are
[00:51:49] excluded from the financial system and it's been rolled out there relatively successful.
[00:52:05] so that's why this idea of let's include more people that are currently
[00:52:08] excluded, the argument does not work in the eurozone, so that's why a
[00:52:12] take-up is the issue, it comes down to incentives, the latest proposal that i've
[00:52:16] seen is that the the deposits that you have in the digital wallet will not have any
[00:52:19] interest, now that's a major sort of drawback compared to commercial
[00:52:23] deposits, especially if you assume that interest rates by the ECB are going to
[00:52:27] stay hard for longer now, that means commercial deposits are going to have an attractive interest
[00:52:31] rate, why would people keep any money or use the digital euro if it's just
[00:52:35] idle money attracting no
[00:52:36] interest.
[00:52:41] the infrastructure powering the booming AI industry is consuming
[00:52:45] massive amounts of electricity and water. new study shows
[00:52:49] data centers are raising the temperature the ground around
[00:52:52] them, adding to environmental concerns. now affected
[00:52:56] communities are pushing back in protest. just
[00:53:00] give us your thoughts on the report and the environmental impact these
[00:53:04] AI data centers, how worried are you about what you're
[00:53:08] saying? I suppose we can add
[00:53:11] this to the list of consequences of data centers that we did not
[00:53:15] initially account for, and the list is already getting rather
[00:53:19] long, so we have the obvious things associated with data centers
[00:53:23] and power consumption being carbon emissions and being water
[00:53:26] consumption, now we're talking about heat islands uh, but at
[00:53:30] the same time you also have to think about other stuff like if you happen to be
[00:53:34] living nearby. data center, it might not just be heat, it might also be the
[00:53:37] noise that is affecting you from these data centers, if you are living
[00:53:41] near the power generation source for these data centers, you might actually
[00:53:45] deal with level thermal pollution as well, because power plants
[00:53:49] tend to dump warmer water into whatever
[00:53:52] source of water they're using, um, which is
[00:53:56] another heat effect, that's just
[00:54:00] few things, popping up, these data centers
[00:54:04] use, podable water uh, lot of water
[00:54:08] evaporates, becomes unavailable for reuse, can accessibate local water
[00:54:12] scarcity, the list goes on and on, there are so many
[00:54:15] consequences and these research papers are shedding light on
[00:54:19] more and more these consequences, I think it's really important, as was
[00:54:23] already stated just now, that we keep in mind all these
[00:54:27] potential consequences that we are first aware them, and we we keep them in
[00:54:31] mind whenever we're building out this type of infrastructure, because otherwise...
[00:54:35] we end up with
[00:54:35] an unsustainable situation. Thank you, Alex. Does
[00:54:39] it strike you was odd that AI is racing ahead, this revolution, but
[00:54:43] there's no regulation. Um, no, it doesn't strike me is
[00:54:47] odd. I think this is um is actually part the sort of human
[00:54:50] condition, that we invent things and then
[00:54:54] we realize the consequences afterwards, and um,
[00:54:57] even H.G. Wells, the famous British author talked about this something
[00:55:01] like hundred years ago. So, um, It's
[00:55:05] not surprising and but the um I
[00:55:09] think that AI appeared or was sort of
[00:55:12] introduced into the public domain if you like through um chat
[00:55:16] gpt and similar uh programs but it's been
[00:55:20] very um it's been under development for many years
[00:55:23] in used in academia and and parts of
[00:55:27] industry and so forth for much longer than it's uh prior
[00:55:30] to it being introduced into the public domain for
[00:55:34] general. please give um and it's almost now we're
[00:55:38] trying to shut the stable door after the horses bolted and
[00:55:42] so many people are really excited about it um
[00:55:45] and
[00:55:46] you know there's no definitely no going back um it's
[00:55:50] just um the lack of regulation and i think it
[00:55:54] does depend where you live um obviously there
[00:55:58] are very different attitudes in different continents to caring for
[00:56:02] the environment and so forth um but "we definitely do need
[00:56:06] some legislation in order to manage this, and be it
[00:56:10] through planning or whatever, we definitely need more
[00:56:14] legislation to not necessarily control use
[00:56:17] of um AI, but to um influence,
[00:56:21] positively influence the location of data centers
[00:56:25] and so forth. Jane, I saw a statistic last week which
[00:56:29] shock me, I'm from Ireland, as you know, 22% of our
[00:56:33] electricity consumption is going. on data centers, yes, I mean, we
[00:56:37] don't produce that much electricity ourselves anyway, but this is
[00:56:40] shocking, it is, and you got to think the strain that's
[00:56:44] going on the electricity grid, and we're still early days, that's that's only
[00:56:48] going to increase, um,
[00:56:50] and and it's part of what frustrates me is when you see the the speed
[00:56:54] um that the infrastructure is being built, I think if only that
[00:56:58] that energy and that intention and that will had been the
[00:57:02] same for for net zero and for building renewable. resources,
[00:57:06] we could have mitigated some the problems we are experiencing now,
[00:57:10] because we can't have uh communities come second
[00:57:14] place to data centers, we have to still be people and... plan it
[00:57:18] first, don't give me wrong, i am pro AI, i want to see adoption of
[00:57:21] AI, but not at the detriment of of communities
[00:57:25] and environments as well, so yeah, i
[00:57:29] hoping that the data centers now are going to start to look at um
[00:57:33] other sources their energy, you know, um, nuclear, small
[00:57:37] modular reactors, more renewable sources, i just
[00:57:41] we cannot go backwards and start to rely on fossil fuels again,
[00:57:45] thank you, alex, it strikes me
[00:57:47] that the data centers they're building now we're at the we're in the foothills
[00:57:51] the AI revolution, in years to come these data centers
[00:57:55] will be mega centers and we'll need even more
[00:57:58] energy. yeah, the power demand of data
[00:58:01] centers is exploding, if you look at the numbers
[00:58:05] by for example the UN university or the international energy
[00:58:08] agency, we see that data centers are already responsible
[00:58:12] for 1 and a/2% of global electricity consumption,
[00:58:16] and this number. is generally expected to double in the coming few
[00:58:20] years, so by 2030 data centers might be using 3% of
[00:58:24] global electricity consumption, and a local number a local
[00:58:27] level, these percentages can be lot higher. i know in my
[00:58:31] home country, the Netherlands data centers already represent 5% of our electricity
[00:58:35] grid, this number could also potentially double to 10% or more.
[00:58:38] um, these are staggering numbers that are using to provide
[00:58:42] power to one single sector, one single industry
[00:58:46] uh and the weird thing is it's not even
[00:58:50] clear what we're getting back from
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