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[00:04:00] "the EU is pumping billions into maritime defense to counter
[00:04:04] of increased threats to its security, but will it be
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[00:04:29] of of hello and welcome to roundtable, I'm Inter Brady, now in securing Europe's vast
[00:04:29] in waters. is becoming an urgent priority for the European Union and
[00:04:33] NATO as tensions with Russia escalate. The world's oceans
[00:04:37] hold
[00:04:37] of complex systems of
[00:04:38] of of of critical infrastructure from subsea data cables to energy pipelines
[00:04:42] and global trade roots, all of which makes them highly
[00:04:46] vulnerable to hybrid attacks and
[00:04:48] sabotage.
[00:04:52] non UK marine commando sees a Russian shadow fleet oil
[00:04:56] tanker. Another is intercepted in Belgium.
[00:05:00] sailing under false flags, such vessels are suspected of smuggling
[00:05:04] oil and secretly mapping under-sea
[00:05:06] infrastructure, and incidents are
[00:05:10] of becoming more frequent last week, Nato allies foiled a
[00:05:14] Russian submarine plot to damage undersea
[00:05:16] cables. The EU and NATO are warning
[00:05:20] of increased hybrid attacks from Russia.
[00:05:23] Europeans are faced with the hard truth
[00:05:27] that this is the new normal. We must treat our
[00:05:31] everyday infrastructure as frontline targets and
[00:05:35] protect them accordingly. Allies are united
[00:05:38] in their commitment each other to our collective.
[00:05:42] defense and we are clear about how
[00:05:46] important it is that we work together, including with the
[00:05:50] European Union, to ensure we have what we need
[00:05:53] to address the threats we face.
[00:05:57] 90% of Europe's trade, energy and digital data moves
[00:06:01] through its seas, to protect them from above and below
[00:06:04] water, the EU has spent 130 billion dollars on
[00:06:08] maritime defense over the past decade, France, Germany,
[00:06:12] Italy and Spain lead the way, building new ships, submarines
[00:06:16] and autonomous underwater drones. More will be
[00:06:20] invested as part of Brussel's Readiness 2030. The
[00:06:24] EU's $200 billion dollar plan to become more
[00:06:27] self-sufficient and less reliant on the United
[00:06:29] States.
[00:06:34] The war in Ukraine has fundamentally changed European defense
[00:06:37] strategy,
[00:06:39] and while drones fill the skies there, and... scene battle is
[00:06:43] developing underwater which could damage, disrupt and even
[00:06:47] take down Europe's vital
[00:06:49] infrastructure. Well, let's meet our guests from
[00:06:53] Dublin, we have the retired vice admiral Mark Melet. He's former
[00:06:57] chief of staff the Irish Defense Forces and former head the
[00:07:00] Navy. Mark is also author. From Brussels, we have
[00:07:03] Jean-François Bellanger, he is assistant professor at the Institute for
[00:07:07] Military Operations, that's at the Royal Danish Defense College in
[00:07:11] Copenhagen. And I'm delighted
[00:07:13] to say here with me in the studio is Shan Bell. Sean is a military
[00:07:17] analyst and retired Air Vice Marshall. You're all very welcome to Round
[00:07:21] Table. Sean to you first of all, where are the threats coming from
[00:07:24] then? Yeah, I mean, one thing to remember is that we got
[00:07:27] some maritime experts here, but the vast majority of global trade moves via the
[00:07:31] oceans and therefore you need to be able to protect that. The main threats are
[00:07:35] the critical national infrastructure. We've got lots of cables and pipelines underneath the
[00:07:39] ocean. We've also got GPS that can be jammed. the ocean as
[00:07:43] well and we're also seeing certainly
[00:07:44] in the UK lot of Russian uh oil tankers, the sanction
[00:07:48] fleet are making their way through, and therefore you need to have capability against
[00:07:52] them critically for the cold war and I'm a cold war
[00:07:55] veteran, um we used to be looking at main focus on his submarine warfare, we
[00:07:59] recognize that the subserfice threat was really dangerous, but over the
[00:08:03] years we've lost the ability to do that as credibly as we used to be able
[00:08:06] to and threats like Russia and China, but most particularly Russia
[00:08:10] has something like 50. submarines available, we've got
[00:08:14] five, and most of those are actually not serviceable and they're all concurrently in
[00:08:18] being worked on, so we do have a significant shortfall in our
[00:08:22] military capability in the maritime environment. Jean-fençois, to
[00:08:26] you, I read an extraordinary statistic this week,
[00:08:29] 90% of Europe's trade goes via the
[00:08:32] sea. We are hugely, hugely dependent on our waters,
[00:08:36] are we doing enough to protect them? I will, I will
[00:08:40] give the the wishy washy answer of. and no. um, I think the
[00:08:44] investment that we're seeing at the moment are a
[00:08:47] good uh, there are good steps. um, what I'm
[00:08:51] a little bit unclear about, and I think it's it's touching on on some points
[00:08:55] that that we're having here is that the choices that we're making at the moment
[00:08:59] to defend, and and to be to be clear,
[00:09:03] um, my my day today is to look mostly at the North Sea and the
[00:09:06] Baltics, um, but when you look at these two
[00:09:10] environments, the way the way the... geography and and the
[00:09:14] sea works um frigates are not
[00:09:17] necessarily the most uh
[00:09:20] well prepared platform to defend for
[00:09:24] example the the Baltics uh but I'm yet to see and
[00:09:28] you see it piece meal lefts and right left and right um but I
[00:09:32] think especially in the EU um I'm yet to
[00:09:36] see very strong argument being
[00:09:39] made for uncrued vehicle maritime.
[00:09:42] especially um that could that could either be
[00:09:46] fielded in conjunction with frigate and submarine for example uh or
[00:09:50] also as part the main strategy uh
[00:09:53] moving forward. Mark, to you, what's your assessment
[00:09:57] of how secure our European seas
[00:10:00] are? in some ways i think it's um
[00:10:04] tying the other two speakers points, it's like as if the oceans
[00:10:08] sneak sneak up snook up on us and we just realizing
[00:10:12] how much... of our infrastructure is ocean-based, our
[00:10:15] communications cables, our energy interconnectors, our sea
[00:10:19] lines communications in terms of trade, they're all converging
[00:10:23] on the oceans and I've often said that state security is inextricably
[00:10:27] linked with economic security, which is inextrickably linked with energy
[00:10:31] security, and our oceans are key component of
[00:10:35] that, so I'm concerned that the architecture in terms of law the
[00:10:39] sea convention from 1982 and its subsequent
[00:10:42] amendments, is no longer fit for purpose in the context of what we see
[00:10:46] today. Europe in particular is engaged a full-scale hybrid
[00:10:50] war, and much of that is centered on the ocean, and just
[00:10:54] to tie into your last... speaker there, we need a lot more situational
[00:10:57] awareness in the context the complexity of activities that are at
[00:11:01] sea, so we are quite vulnerable. Sean,
[00:11:05] to you, Europe is spending money on defense like never before, or not
[00:11:09] in living memory anyway, is enough
[00:11:12] of it going on the sea, I think a lot of it's down to
[00:11:15] priority priorities, I've been off to Ukraine fairly regularly, and you go
[00:11:19] through Poland and they feel the heat the Russian
[00:11:22] invasion far more than we... ever do over here through the lens
[00:11:26] of history, but also because obviously it's right on their border, and
[00:11:30] therefore they're investing heavily, but in land forces, in tanks and air
[00:11:33] and they're less worried about the maritime environment. we
[00:11:37] traditionally in the UK have been a mari time nation, we've been a
[00:11:40] maritime power, so whilst lot of Europe tends to look east, we really need
[00:11:44] to be looking west and north, and therefore it feels like
[00:11:48] nationally and with some of Nordic partners, France and Spain and
[00:11:52] Italy, all of which you have so key marat. borders, but
[00:11:56] actually that's where it's
[00:11:57] a different priority, and I do think you can't just sort of say NATO or
[00:12:01] Europe here, you have to have subsets of where our
[00:12:04] responsibility lies, because we're seeing in the UK, when it's the
[00:12:07] Antar, and just off our shores, where it's the Russian submarines and their
[00:12:11] test submarines lautering over under sea cables, whether it's aircraft
[00:12:15] coming over, we're feeling that heat a lot more than I would say Poland does,
[00:12:19] for example. Jean Francis, is there an argument for greater
[00:12:22] integration then amongst European countries? European Union states in particular
[00:12:26] when it comes to maritime and coastal
[00:12:29] defense, well, it's an
[00:12:33] interesting question to me, because this integration is already done and it's done
[00:12:37] through NATO uh, and I understand that the European Union at the
[00:12:40] moment is interested to um
[00:12:44] look at alternative when it comes to um
[00:12:48] to its security, especially marime security. Thank you,
[00:12:52] Mark, you're in Ireland, I'm Irish, we are... small
[00:12:55] country, we have a small navy, we are neutral, lot
[00:12:59] of observers see us as like an achille's heal in western
[00:13:03] Europe when it comes to sea defense, what do you say to that
[00:13:06] accusation? well, i spent most of my time in the
[00:13:10] navy, i ser for 45 years and i retired as
[00:13:14] chief of defense or chief of staff the defense forces, i've always made
[00:13:18] point, ireland did not pay sufficient attention to the maritime,
[00:13:22] but that's that's changing now, we've launched our marity. security
[00:13:25] strategy, we're investing in air surveillance, we're investing in
[00:13:29] subsurface surveillance, but the bigger question is, in
[00:13:33] terms the security strategy, we need to move towards an integrated approach,
[00:13:37] and I think your last speaker raised point with regards to the NATO and the
[00:13:41] European Union. I see this even bigger than that. I think the reality
[00:13:45] is that we now need military and civilian integration, navy and
[00:13:49] coast guard, public and private, national and European, physical and
[00:13:53] cyber, so that we're actually stitching. together all the domains,
[00:13:56] land in terms of surveillance radars, land base radars, maritime in terms
[00:14:00] of surface assets, subsurface assets and space in terms
[00:14:04] of using synthetic aperture radar, evolving technologies, i
[00:14:08] work with a company here in ireland called yubotica, using AI in space and
[00:14:12] of course cyber, stitching cyber into the architecture, so the
[00:14:16] ultimately that we have what we're increasingly talking about now, a
[00:14:19] whole of society approach to defense, security,
[00:14:23] control and enforcement in the... marim domain, Ireland has quite
[00:14:27] a large mountain decline in terms of meeting its national
[00:14:31] responsibilities and equally its responsibilities to its
[00:14:34] neighbors, but it's in moving in the right direction. The
[00:14:38] challenge is, will something happen in the meantime, and
[00:14:42] we've seen the activity the Yantar, in fact it doesn't even have
[00:14:44] to be a yantar, it can be decommissioned traller that has the capacity
[00:14:48] to do a hybrid impact that cuts cable. The issue is,
[00:14:52] are we a position now to have a situational? awareness, the domain
[00:14:56] awareness to actually act in time, to decide and to
[00:15:00] act and to prevent. Thank you. Sean, this ship that keeps getting mentioned,
[00:15:04] the And tower, just spell out for us what it is, and and what we think it might have
[00:15:08] been doing around British waters. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of Russian vessels where it's air
[00:15:12] land or maritime that do lots of reconnaissance, and whilst in
[00:15:16] itself it looks fairly innocent, but what it's actually doing is hovering up lots of
[00:15:19] data intelligence, but also more crucially, working out where our
[00:15:23] under sea cables are, but... also what reaction NATO might
[00:15:27] do, so simply by being there, we get used to it being there,
[00:15:30] simply by operating aircraft the key coming to our airspace, it tests
[00:15:34] us, makes us a bit more complacent, but I think the problem bigger than that,
[00:15:38] because again, you go back to the cold war, we were ready for war at
[00:15:42] that day, the last 35 years, wars of choice, in our
[00:15:46] navy, we've commissioned two the biggest aircraft carriers we've ever seen in our
[00:15:49] time, phenomenally capable, but good for power projection, wars
[00:15:53] of choice, not for wars of national survival, and the problem is
[00:15:57] is that we had to be ready 24 and seven, if you're going to be ready
[00:16:01] 24 and seven, that's why we have four nuclear submarines bause we
[00:16:04] need one available all times, you've only got two... carriers, you
[00:16:08] probably got long periods of time when one them is never going to be available, that's just not
[00:16:12] acceptable. if you're going to have a carrier capability, you got to be all in and
[00:16:16] do it 24 and se or have a shift system where other countries in
[00:16:20] NATO take over. so i think we're recovering from 35 years
[00:16:24] of understandable peace dividend. now is a wake-up call to
[00:16:28] work out that actually other nations, particularly Russia, particularly
[00:16:31] submarines have huge advantage over Europe. we need to get
[00:16:35] back into the really... world of anti-submarine warfare, whether it's
[00:16:39] air, land or maritime to make sure that we're um detering
[00:16:43] that Russian aggression. Sean, just for we have here, I know you're an Air Vice Marshall,
[00:16:47] but give me your assessment the UK Royal Navy, because lot of people feel
[00:16:51] that it has kind of year on year not been resourced to what it
[00:16:55] was. Yeah, I mean, I spent lot of time, I spent more time at float than many
[00:16:59] of my naval contemporaries. I would probably bow to my guest here, but I
[00:17:03] spent many, many months on board aircraft carriers. One the things that navy
[00:17:07] is... absolutely outstanding professional, we got some amazing people there,
[00:17:10] but because of this focus on the carriers, we've had to
[00:17:14] take risk a whole number of other areas, and now because the operational
[00:17:18] tempo, political pressure, we've got the people, there's a thousand fewer people in
[00:17:22] their all nav, it needs to be, those that are in there are working incredibly hard, moral
[00:17:26] is therefore difficult to maintain, and I think the first sealord finds himself an
[00:17:30] invidious position that from a maritime very proud nation
[00:17:34] that's been defined by its maritime prowess, we find out... was a bit of
[00:17:38] a low-eb at the moment, i think the future is going to be very positive, but
[00:17:42] my goodness we've got a bit of a mountain to climb. thanks, Sean. Jean
[00:17:45] Franc, talk to me about the the threat level then as you
[00:17:49] see it, is it all Russia or are
[00:17:52] there other actors at play that Europe needs to be worried
[00:18:13] but to - to to to the question, um, I
[00:18:16] think at the moment, yes, we could
[00:18:20] probably look for, and and uh, Sean, I believe uh, discuss uh,
[00:18:24] that China will will be will be issue, but I think at the moment
[00:18:28] that the threat is mostly uh, Russian when it comes to,
[00:18:32] when it comes to Europe, we had report that NATO intercepted Russian operation
[00:18:36] near Swallbard." around the undersea cables that were
[00:18:39] here uh we've seen what the shadow fleet has been doing
[00:18:43] in in in recent years or we have commercial vessel
[00:18:46] raking uh that we can sometimes attribute to Russia
[00:18:50] sometime not we've been raking their anchors at the bottom
[00:18:54] the the Baltic Sea for example to cut cables there um
[00:18:57] so it it
[00:18:58] it is where it's located the threat is also now what we you know
[00:19:02] taking NATO parliance a bit more multi domain right like it's not strictly the
[00:19:06] Russian threat. will take a maritime aspect, but that
[00:19:10] maritime aspect is going to be supported by hybrid
[00:19:13] effort, it's going to be supported by uh cyber
[00:19:17] space and effort and so on, um, and I
[00:19:20] think on that front, this is what NATO was moving to with its new
[00:19:24] war fighting concept of multi-domain operation, but um, to
[00:19:28] to to return very briefly to your question, uh, no, for Europe, and and I mean the
[00:19:32] Danish assessment I think remain um, remain
[00:19:36] sound, although when "it came out that Russia might
[00:19:40] initiate conflict either with Baltic border states or the
[00:19:43] broader of NATO within two and five years, I think it's important to
[00:19:47] remember that this assessment came out year ago, so we're no longer
[00:19:51] two to five, we're one to four, um, so in very
[00:19:55] short, yes, Russia, for the moment, for the Europeans
[00:19:58] is the is the threat. Thank you, Mark,
[00:20:02] we've seen Russian vessels loitering off the coast of Ireland
[00:20:06] repeatedly." what were they up to and how did the Irish government
[00:20:10] respond? yeah, well, I think the Irish government has
[00:20:14] in recent years strengthened its bilateral with the UK, it's
[00:20:18] bilateral with its nearest EU neighbor France, and it is actually
[00:20:22] greater, it's given greater support to, I suppose the
[00:20:25] multilateral framework. Ireland is
[00:20:29] militarily aligned, but that does not mean that it doesn't engage in
[00:20:32] information sharing, and we are currently have the present
[00:20:36] presidency of... the eu council, so there is lot of
[00:20:40] bilateral, multilateral support in ensuring the architecture is
[00:20:43] right. that's said, we are concerned with regards the
[00:20:47] activities the Russian federation, the Sean has mentioned. the Yantar.
[00:20:50] Yantar is a formidable vessel, while it may look like a civilian vessel,
[00:20:54] actually, it's manned by Russian naval personnel. It's on the state
[00:20:58] register, so technically speaking under the law the sea convention, it's a
[00:21:02] warship, and you have to be careful in terms of how you operate
[00:21:06] around the vessel that has that status. Russian vessels in
[00:21:10] terms their shadow fleet have been increas in the
[00:21:13] jurisdiction around the Irish coast, they have been evading sanctions
[00:21:17] and there is a real question over the C worriness these
[00:21:20] vessels, the standards and certification the watchkeepers on these
[00:21:24] vessels, and there is a question then back to the
[00:21:27] integrity the international institutions, the law the sea
[00:21:30] convention, to deal with vessels that are actually actively
[00:21:34] avoiding sanctions and at the same time playing
[00:21:38] fast and loose with international law. Thank you, Mark. Sean, talk to me
[00:21:42] about this northern navy's initiative, so the UK
[00:21:45] training and and aligning itself closer with some the Nordic and
[00:21:49] Scandinavian. countries, Norway in particular, seems to be lot
[00:21:53] about integrating systems and and sharing platforms, so that
[00:21:57] if they were needed to fight together, they would all be singing off the same
[00:22:01] song sheet, yeah, part of that is the Iceland Greenland
[00:22:05] gap, um, largely ignored, I think, for
[00:22:08] many, many years, probably decades, but it's a key geographic
[00:22:12] as natural feature where if Russian submarines want to make their way out
[00:22:16] from the Russian coastline into the Atlantic, then you... to make your
[00:22:20] way through that and there's a strategy based on and look at my nose
[00:22:24] jan Bayden in it's right the middle and there's been a number of exercises being done
[00:22:28] recently where the raw navy and some of its partner
[00:22:31] nations are reinforcing that island it's strategically important for the gap
[00:22:35] they're
[00:22:36] also making sure they can operate together and of course it's worth remembering that anything
[00:22:39] when you as soon as you get into the arctic the weather becomes a bit more tricky and i
[00:22:43] wouldn't underestimate it's easy to say well it's just a ship but actually you've got
[00:22:47] to operate on the decks these ships you've got to opera aircraft, you got to helicopters
[00:22:51] and the like, and when it gets very cold, when the the sea gets very rough as well
[00:22:55] up there, which you can be in the winter, you need to train in that environment, and
[00:22:59] as um Jean said, I, I, I spent lot of time at sea, but I used to get
[00:23:03] seasick, it takes about three or four days before you get your sea legs and it was
[00:23:06] thoroughly miserable for that time, but once you've got your sea legs and you're
[00:23:10] used to the operation, that's the huge value of training, and that's the one thing the
[00:23:14] Royal Navy is pushing hard to do with lots of its northern European allies
[00:23:18] at the moment, everyone thinks of Arctic is a big vast icy
[00:23:22] expanse, I'm guessing there is lot of submarine activity up there.
[00:23:26] Well, it's the way out for lot the Russian submarines from their ports to get down to the
[00:23:29] Atlantic. I mean now with global warming, there's a lot of northern roots now that are opening up, I
[00:23:33] saw in the news on only earlier today, there's a Chinese vessel that's made its way
[00:23:37] up, and it saves a lot of time rather than going the southern route down through the
[00:23:41] sewis canal. If you can go across the top, it saves a huge amount of time and therefore
[00:23:45] a huge amount of money, that will become a strategically important route, and therefore
[00:23:49] we need to protect. and make sure it doesn't get closed down. Thank you. Jean
[00:23:52] Francis, we've heard lot of talk about this Russian shadow
[00:23:55] fleet zipping through European Waters, the
[00:23:59] channel between England and France in particular, how concerning is that
[00:24:03] then from a European perspective that they seem to be able to do what they
[00:24:06] want. Well, what what is concerning is
[00:24:10] that there seems to be lack of interest
[00:24:12] in full on engagement with the shadow fleet. I
[00:24:16] mean, we've been talking about, we've been talking about this rother. how many years
[00:24:20] we know what they've been able to uh that that that they've been able
[00:24:24] to help Russia uh go around sanctions and so on around the war, so what
[00:24:28] worries me is, I mean their movement and pattern
[00:24:32] are now well tracked and well situated, what
[00:24:36] is a little bit concerning to me is that despite knowing this
[00:24:39] there's not an over over effort to
[00:24:43] actually um counted and now I understand why because we don't want to
[00:24:47] engage a like the Russians have threatened. that an engagement there would
[00:24:51] also mean like an engagement with them, they they've linked it few times to
[00:24:55] the war in Ukraine
[00:24:56] and so on. Mark, to you, I see you have new book out, blue
[00:24:59] heart, war, climate and the battle for the ocean that keeps us
[00:25:03] alive, how concerned are you about the kind the actual physical
[00:25:06] state of our seas? well, I am
[00:25:10] concerned, and we we tend to talk at the about the ocean as a battle space, but
[00:25:14] the ocean itself is part the critical infrastructure that
[00:25:17] is keeping us alive and that we should be trying to
[00:25:20] protect, the very reason we're having this conversation is that
[00:25:24] fact that the ocean absorb 90% the excess heat and
[00:25:28] 30% the excess carbon we emit. the ocean is obviously
[00:25:32] critical in terms of our security architecture, in terms of our
[00:25:36] energy interconnectors, 80% of our
[00:25:39] lng on this island comes via interconnectors at sea, and
[00:25:43] increasingly we can see the overwhelming dependency we have
[00:25:47] in terms of our tech economies. on fiber optic
[00:25:51] cables, which are at the heart of Russian
[00:25:54] Federation, particular hybrid activities, monitoring these cables and
[00:25:58] in places interfering these cables, so I am concerned that...
[00:26:02] "we need to take a more holistic view in terms the oceans, I'm delighted to
[00:26:06] see that Europe is moving with an oceans act, and I think that that should be a
[00:26:10] chapo for other states in the European region who to have
[00:26:14] similar legislation, so we can have that integrated
[00:26:17] approach to protecting this critical infrastructure that actually is
[00:26:21] keeping regulating our climate, and as we move forward
[00:26:25] in initiatives such as 30% of our seas protected by
[00:26:29] 2030, that we actually begin to see the importance. of
[00:26:33] biodiversity in our ocean spaces, which receives currently very little
[00:26:37] protection, biodiversity in the ocean is as valuable as
[00:26:40] rainforest on land, and yet we're we're not at the
[00:26:44] moment providing that that protection towards this vast
[00:26:47] amount of jurisdiction where there is critical amount of
[00:26:50] biodiversity currently being damaged daily. thank you,
[00:26:54] mark, just pick up point that mark made there, which i think we we've
[00:26:58] missed slightly is, it's all having a kit and equipment and ships and tanks
[00:27:02] and marines, but actually unless you have political resolve, it
[00:27:05] becomes worthless, it's not a deterrent without having determination and
[00:27:09] resolve, and I think what we're seeing exactly as the panelists have said, is that
[00:27:13] Russia is just pushing the edges all the time, we're seeing them do it, but we're
[00:27:17] reluctant to do anything about it, and the danger is that emboldens President
[00:27:21] Putin, and I always refer back to the example when two Russian jets flew out
[00:27:25] of Syria towards Turkey, Turkey said turn back, one them turned back, the
[00:27:29] other Russian jet continued, two F-16s from Turkey shot it down,
[00:27:33] President Putin was apoplectic, never again did Russian
[00:27:36] aircraft go into Turkish airspace, you have to be robust, and I think
[00:27:40] NATO has to find a way, it's not going to precipitate a war, but
[00:27:44] unless we're more robust in the maritime domain, we are keep going to get
[00:27:47] pressurized. I think it's a fantastic point, and just to push this just a little bit
[00:27:51] further, we're a situation now in Europe where we might see
[00:27:55] government um that
[00:27:57] may decide then to to go a bit closer to um to Russia, we're
[00:28:01] seeing the uh that everybody talks about the recent uh
[00:28:04] AFD election in Germany, but um, if this propagates through
[00:28:08] the country then we're going to end up a state where we might have very
[00:28:12] important state in Europe who might decide to cut
[00:28:16] back actions to counter uh Russia, the same looking at the
[00:28:20] French elections for example, and I agree, political will
[00:28:24] is the be is the number one variable that you need in order
[00:28:28] to be able to to do these things, and I'm um I'm a bit concerned that
[00:28:32] in the... next two to three, three, let's say two to five years,
[00:28:36] um, the political will is going to erode more than
[00:28:38] what it is now, as we, we might be witnessing shift to governments
[00:28:42] that are more sympathetic to um to the
[00:28:45] Russians. Thank you. Sean, just one last point to you, with all these
[00:28:49] Russian vessels floating around, do you worry that it will be incident at
[00:28:53] sea that leads to something far, far bigger? No, is the
[00:28:57] short answer. I mean, having operate off her majesty's, then her majesty's
[00:29:01] carriers, we have. lots of incidence to see, we lost aeroplanes, all sorts, you just push
[00:29:05] them off the edge the ship and nobody's there to witness it, um, you just count them out
[00:29:09] when you leave and you count them back in when you come back, there's no journalists on the ground,
[00:29:13] there's very little filming going on, so you can actually there's denial and all sorts
[00:29:17] of things going on around it. do worry that we're not taking the
[00:29:21] sub-surface threat properly, because it's not just uh Russia's
[00:29:24] huge fleets or attack submarines and nuclear submarines, it's also I think they've got
[00:29:28] 10 experimental submarines that go to absen depths that do...
[00:29:32] sorts of clever things on the seabed, why are they doing that? they're all
[00:29:36] doing that because there's a macgy of alien agenda going on here and we are
[00:29:40] going to get surprised if we're not prepared. sean belle, thank you,
[00:29:43] Jean-François and mark in Ireland as well, thank you all. remember
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[00:30:49] the hooty capture of Yemen's Red Sea coastline may have opened
[00:30:53] a dangerous new phase in the U.S. Iran war. Could
[00:30:57] this reshape the balance of power in the Gulf and strengthen Iran's
[00:31:01] hand in the region? I'm Hazim Sea and today's newsmaker
[00:31:05] is Yemen and the Houti
[00:31:06] Advance.
[00:31:24] Yemen's long-running civil war is threatening to open another front
[00:31:28] in the wider Middle East conflict. Iran backed Houti
[00:31:31] forces have seized a key coastal town on the Red Sea.
[00:31:35] The Babel Mandab straight is one the world's most important shipping
[00:31:39] roots with Saudi Arabia also coming under attack and
[00:31:42] Iran now directly and indirectly. in control of two
[00:31:46] vital choke points in the region, the consequences could extend far
[00:31:50] beyond Yemen. Fighting in Yemen once
[00:31:54] again risks becoming a larger front in a widening war in the
[00:31:58] Middle East. Yemen's Iran aligned and
[00:32:01] Saralahutis have seized control of Yemen's entire red
[00:32:05] sea coast a sweeping offensive. It marks
[00:32:09] new phase a long, simmering civil war between
[00:32:12] Hughters and nationally recognized Yemeni
[00:32:16] government. Houti forces also announced
[00:32:20] attacks on their sworn enemy, Saudi
[00:32:22] Arabia. By the grace
[00:32:26] of Allah, the Yemeni armed forces carried out a large qualitative
[00:32:30] military operation targeting military facilities and
[00:32:33] infrastructure. Including aircraft
[00:32:37] hangers, radar installations, runways, ammunition depots and
[00:32:41] other targets at kingghaded airbase in James Mushaid.
[00:32:45] Attacks on Saudi infrastructure and oil facilities have become
[00:32:49] increasing strategic concern since the US led
[00:32:53] war on Iran. Overland oil pipelines through Saudi
[00:32:57] Arabia to the Red Sea have been used to mitigate
[00:33:01] the effects the effective closure the straight of
[00:33:04] homoz, and by capturing the port of Mocca and
[00:33:08] Parim Island, Iran-backed Hutis now gain a
[00:33:12] foothold very close to the Babelman. straight where
[00:33:16] attacks on ships in the red sea could
[00:33:19] affect international shipping, however, the
[00:33:23] Iranian government denies any involvement in the war
[00:33:27] in Yemen. I reaffirm that Iran
[00:33:31] does not interfere in Yemeni affairs, however we are a
[00:33:34] country concerned about the situation in the region and we know that some
[00:33:38] actors are exploiting this situation to exacerbate disputes and
[00:33:42] divisions among Islamic countries.
[00:33:45] That is why we are clearly stating our position, this stance
[00:33:48] should in no
[00:33:49] way be perceived as interference in this matter.
[00:33:53] Hothies say their military operations are targeted primarily
[00:33:57] at Saudi-linked ships and that international shipping
[00:34:00] remains safe, but their advance in the region
[00:34:04] against the struggling, recognized Yemeni government
[00:34:08] has had devastating consequences already. At
[00:34:12] least 1800 households or 125, people have been
[00:34:15] displaced since the start the month. the toll on civilians is
[00:34:19] increasing. between September 1st and today, our colleagues at the UN human
[00:34:22] rights office have verified 40 civilian casualties, eight
[00:34:26] people killed
[00:34:27] and 32 others injured. tens of thousands of Yemenes
[00:34:31] civilians have fled the region in recent months and the
[00:34:34] latest offensive has only accelerated the humanitarian
[00:34:38] crisis. many have fled directly across the straight
[00:34:42] to televised
[00:34:43] Jibuti interview. an official from the recognized
[00:34:47] yemini government pledged to reclaim yeman's
[00:34:50] territory on the red sea coast. even these forces
[00:34:54] that
[00:34:55] with threw or moved from one place to another are now regrouping god
[00:34:58] almighty willing and they will return one second to the battle in one
[00:35:02] way or another. the continued fighting could destroy
[00:35:06] a fragile and strained
[00:35:09] 2022
[00:35:13] as try to consolidate the... on the red sea coast, they
[00:35:17] gain valuable leverage over one the world's most important
[00:35:20] trade roots. a time when the straight of homols is already
[00:35:24] understain, disruption to shipping channels
[00:35:27] here, result
[00:35:28] as of regional civil war conflict, could
[00:35:32] still have global
[00:35:34] repercussions. we're joining me
[00:35:38] now to talk more about this from, we
[00:35:40] have pry
[00:35:43] yemeny journalist and Seattle, Middle East Analyst at
[00:35:47] the University of Oxford, Aragdat and from
[00:35:50] Washington DC, research fellow in the Middle East program
[00:35:54] at the Quincey Institute and former US state department official
[00:35:58] Anel Sheline. Good to have you all with us. So Hussein, let me start with
[00:36:02] you, how significant then is this uh recent Houti
[00:36:06] advance for the fight against Saudi Arabia and for control
[00:36:10] of
[00:36:10] Yemen.
[00:36:18] It has been clearly here from the leader ofuti that the
[00:36:21] main goal of yemen is the total liberation of Yaman and he said
[00:36:25] many time in his previous peace. speech that
[00:36:29] yemen will not or sana will not allow any foreign
[00:36:33] present or outside forces present in Yemen and as well he will not
[00:36:37] allow any groups in any arean
[00:36:40] to be under occupation or under the control of any groups or
[00:36:43] militia that's under the control
[00:36:47] of non yemani government like like the saudi
[00:36:51] under back forces in in Yemen and we've seen that this latest
[00:36:55] advance of course many uh outlet they have been saying that
[00:36:58] this advance and liberation the west coast of
[00:37:02] Yemen, especially mokha and bab al mandab and the
[00:37:06] control the island in that area on the red
[00:37:10] sea that it will give advantage for Sanha Forces or the Yemani
[00:37:14] army to control the rid sea, but actually this is
[00:37:17] not true because yemani armed forces here they weren't control
[00:37:21] the red sea babel mandab, the gulf of Aiden and the Arabian sea since
[00:37:25] 2023 when they have... launched attack against the zin state of
[00:37:29] Israel to force it to stop the genicide in Gaza
[00:37:33] against the Palestinian people and they were targeting Israeli anzion ships in
[00:37:37] the in the entire red sea and as well the gulf of Aiden and
[00:37:41] the Arabian sea so to control the r you do need to
[00:37:44] be at the coast or at at babal mandab but why was
[00:37:48] that the first like attack the liberation of Yemen
[00:37:52] was in that area because that area was it
[00:37:56] held one the large... just united arab or
[00:37:59] saudi united arab emirate coalition backed forces, it
[00:38:03] was in in moka, it was the strongest troops
[00:38:07] that because of course after the disagreement of United Arab
[00:38:10] Emirate and Saudi, that area is under the control the Saudi, but with
[00:38:14] the same commander Tarek Saleh, so that was the
[00:38:17] largest and the most advanced weapons is in that
[00:38:21] base and you can reach that area by air, by land, by sea,
[00:38:25] that's why Saudi have been sending and lot of
[00:38:29] weapons and armored vehicles and the United Arab Emirates has been doing that
[00:38:33] for many years uh so that to to liberate your
[00:38:36] country you have to hurt the enemy in the like the
[00:38:40] strong in their main
[00:38:43] strength in in land and this was actually the main goal
[00:38:47] of advancing in in that area toward moka and
[00:38:51] babdad what's your view on these latest
[00:38:55] developments in Yemen on on the military side
[00:38:58] is it and is this a temporary battlefield breakthrough or or a
[00:39:02] fundamental shift now in the balance of power in the region? the
[00:39:06] saudis are trying to pass this off as a brief moment,
[00:39:10] however this feels very fundamental. what we're seeing right
[00:39:14] now is there's only two areas that are still contested in the north,
[00:39:17] madab and tas, and those are currently under tribal mediation. the huties
[00:39:21] are very good at using tribes to maintain their legitimacy
[00:39:25] and in parallel to their military act. of
[00:39:28] course, because
[00:39:29] of that, that really just leaves the south, and now babil mandab is
[00:39:33] fully under an unsar control, so this is a
[00:39:37] big victory for Asanza law, and reminder
[00:39:41] that this cold truth that they've been stuck in since 2022 is
[00:39:45] not how they're going
[00:39:45] to allow things continue in Yemen, and for Saudi Arabia, this is pretty
[00:39:49] big as well, buse they have their vision 2030, and they were planning
[00:39:53] a victory, they were told by their forces in Yemen, that if
[00:39:57] they just get another shot,
[00:39:59] that they can really take this home, that they can end this war, they assumed unsar law has
[00:40:03] been exhausted, and the economic tool has prevented them
[00:40:07] from having any outstanding military
[00:40:10] capacity, and as we've all seen, that's clearly not the
[00:40:13] case. and now she line, how does
[00:40:17] this in your view affect the balance of power in the
[00:40:20] region?
[00:40:23] certainly this signals the unprecedent.
[00:40:31] I think the concern at this point is that the United States might get
[00:40:35] involved, although we know that NBS had
[00:40:38] requested that Donald Trump and direct support, and thus
[00:40:42] far he has not said that he's willing to
[00:40:46] do so. I worry that as this impacts global oil
[00:40:50] prices, especially leading up to the U.S. midterms, Trump may
[00:40:54] find that he is increasingly a...
[00:40:57] position where
[00:40:58] he feels he has to get involved, which will not lead to solution. we've
[00:41:02] already seen very clearly that there is no military solution in
[00:41:05] Yemen, the only way forward is mediated peace
[00:41:09] process involving Yemenis themselves and that
[00:41:13] foreign powers, including the Saudis and others need
[00:41:17] to get out of Yemen and allow Yemenis to determine their own
[00:41:20] destiny. how much is this
[00:41:24] about the His and what they are trying to do? in
[00:41:27] Yemen and how much is this about Iran's wider strategy,
[00:41:31] because there are those who will say who will see Iran's hand in
[00:41:35] this.
[00:41:42] I mean this is not true, if we see when Yemany have started
[00:41:45] their bloccade, see bloccade against Saudi Arabia, and
[00:41:49] when they when did they start as well advancing and liberating part of
[00:41:53] Yemen, they started started
[00:41:56] that after the Saudi has broke the seas fire and targeted San
[00:41:59] airport, so there is reason who
[00:42:02] has have actually made that truce that was signed in
[00:42:05] 2022 made it collapse, and this nor
[00:42:10] any war if you have a truice and then they target your capital and they target the
[00:42:14] airport, this is actually a declaration of war if if there is no trous
[00:42:18] and as well if if if yemen as they say or they call the onesarla were like a
[00:42:22] tool and they get order from Iran they could have targeted
[00:42:25] Saudi Arabia during the 12 days of war against Iran
[00:42:29] from the zionist or they could as well target Saudi Arabia and do the same
[00:42:33] action they doing now during the 40 days of war where where the designed
[00:42:37] state of Israel and the United State has targeted Iran i mean
[00:42:41] really strong and they have killed the supreme leader ayatullah imam
[00:42:45] ali khaminai just imagine they killed the leader
[00:42:49] of of
[00:42:49] of of that country and and and and yemen at that time did not get involved
[00:42:53] did not fight in the rid so the only thing that matter to
[00:42:57] yemen is yemen and what about
[00:43:01] yemen but of course as axis of resistant they
[00:43:05] have an like i said an operation room but they
[00:43:08] only uh get decision together when it regard Israel and the zient
[00:43:12] state of Israel we remember during the attack from Yemen and as well the attack from
[00:43:16] Hisbollah and the resistant in Iraq the Yemen and Iraq and the resistance
[00:43:20] and as well Iran during their attack against them they were
[00:43:24] coordinating the attack against against Israel
[00:43:28] so but when it comes to matter of Yemen Yemen is fully
[00:43:32] independent in taking their their decision and we've see
[00:43:35] that I can just explain very quick
[00:43:39] why this huge advance that happened in in
[00:43:43] in the west coast is because Saudi and during their Saudi
[00:43:47] backed forces advance in in in many area across
[00:43:50] Yemen, one the main reason behind that that 90% the
[00:43:54] strength the Saudi backed forces in Yemen is the
[00:43:58] Saudi air cover and air
[00:44:01] strike cover against sana forces so any
[00:44:05] area they have controlled it has been like carpet
[00:44:09] bombed and then the... Saudi backed forces on land will will will will
[00:44:12] like you advance, but at this time actually is
[00:44:16] different, why is not because the saudi are not launching air strike, they are
[00:44:20] launching air strike, but yemen has limited the strength of that saudi
[00:44:24] air strike by continuing targeting saudi main bases like in
[00:44:28] khamis musheid south of Saudi Arabia, king Khalid air base one the largest
[00:44:31] in south of Saudi Arabia and as well king
[00:44:35] Fahad airbase a taif yeman has been bombing those two
[00:44:39] bases. with with dozens of missiles and
[00:44:42] drones which actually affected the ability of
[00:44:45] Saudi to have total cover and as before when they used to launch
[00:44:49] hundred of air strike a day or 100 air strike on on one area
[00:44:53] and as well yemani have as well now advance air air defense and
[00:44:57] they they have been uh like stopping some the air strike to happened and
[00:45:01] forcing the saudi fighterget to come back to to to return and we
[00:45:05] remember during the prosperity guardian united state has admitted that
[00:45:09] yemani were about to shoot down an f
[00:45:11] 35 uh and as well another f a group of
[00:45:15] f16 and f22 so this is actually what have
[00:45:18] limited the saudis ability to support
[00:45:22] their fighters fighters on the ground you bring
[00:45:26] up number of things i want to put some of that to to uh
[00:45:29] mukdad uh because lot of people were surprised at the
[00:45:33] speed of this advance uh from the hoothies why why
[00:45:37] has the saudi back government in your view proved so
[00:45:40] ineffective. there's
[00:45:44] a lot of issues with the saudi-back government, mainly that their fractured,
[00:45:48] there is no ideology beyond being anti-hoothi. so
[00:45:52] what we're seeing with things such as the presidential leadership council,
[00:45:56] which is handselected by Saudi Arabia and the UAE, is that
[00:46:00] they hate each other as much as
[00:46:01] they hate the hoothies. this is a really divided
[00:46:04] team. um, there's a lot of corruption, it's pretty high as
[00:46:08] well. lot the top command is based in Saudi Arabia,
[00:46:12] not even Yemen, uh, which not only furthers them from the
[00:46:15] battlefield, but keeps them out the loop inherently, and this
[00:46:19] damages their legitimacy with populations on the ground, whereas you have
[00:46:23] unsar law, which is battle hardened, even prior to this war, they fought
[00:46:27] six wars with the saleh regime, um, and has very
[00:46:30] clear ideology and structure that they're willing to
[00:46:34] operate, um, we've seen time and time again, they are forced to be
[00:46:38] reckoned with militarily. and it's fairly naive at this
[00:46:42] point to continue to engage with them militarily each time they only get
[00:46:46] stronger. anal
[00:46:48] chine, how mean does does the?
[00:46:52] us then have
[00:46:53] the the capacity at this point or even the appetite to intervene
[00:46:57] if they need to, or would that simply play into the hoouti
[00:47:00] strategy? we saw very clearly during
[00:47:04] operation r that the
[00:47:07] effort to apply a military
[00:47:10] ineffective, which is why i think uninterested in
[00:47:14] returning to that. at the same
[00:47:17] time, trump as a leader
[00:47:21] strategic. is not haviic skills,
[00:47:25] doesn't have effective team around him to
[00:47:28] address conflicts any way other than continuing
[00:47:32] to bomb the target, however the US is very real
[00:47:36] limits its capacity, having trump got
[00:47:40] involved in this unnecessary choice against
[00:47:44] Iran, and now the US military is stretched quite
[00:47:48] thin, not only the middle lease but around the world, so it is
[00:47:52] under is hesitating to re-engage,
[00:47:55] but like I said, I worry that in
[00:47:59] the context of terms with rising oil
[00:48:03] prices, Trump may feel that his only
[00:48:06] option is to go back in, and the results of that would really be to
[00:48:10] further destroy Yemen, to further undermine theity of
[00:48:14] Yemen's peaceful future, and
[00:48:17] as likely result in the same
[00:48:21] outcome, the
[00:48:23] hoothies will be undeterred, this is not also their
[00:48:27] policy, um,
[00:48:31] i expect that the only outcome would be more unnecessary
[00:48:34] death and suffering, and at the end we would arrive at the same
[00:48:38] outcome. all right, i want to turn to to the whole issue of
[00:48:42] control the Babel mandad straight and the
[00:48:45] implications that's going to have for international
[00:48:47] shipping. in their previous attacks,
[00:48:51] thehutis. said that they were only targeting vessels linked
[00:48:55] to Israel, and I know you you made some mention of that, but in
[00:48:59] fact they did hit uh ships with no such
[00:49:02] connection, including at one point a Norwegian flag
[00:49:05] tanker, so when the hooties now say they're only going to
[00:49:09] block shipping to the Saudis, why should anyone believe
[00:49:12] them?
[00:49:21] in the prosperity guard? and the blue cade against state
[00:49:24] of Israel, there was three stage of targeting Israeli ship, it
[00:49:28] was first of first stage was targeting Israeli own ships,
[00:49:32] second stage was targeting Israeli linked ships, so it means if there is a
[00:49:36] shipping company or a ship that have businessman from Israel, if you
[00:49:40] have like 5% the chip or the company, this is linked
[00:49:43] to Israel and the third stage was to
[00:49:46] target a ship that's going toward the
[00:49:49] Israeli port or coming out of israel port so it doesn't need
[00:49:53] to be Israeli, it could be like, i don't from any
[00:49:56] country, those are the three stage, because yemen formed those three
[00:50:00] stage step by step and they were like kind of
[00:50:03] expanding their attack, and if you say about that norwegian
[00:50:07] ship, mean i can remember that, it could be one these that
[00:50:11] are either linked or either went to to
[00:50:15] came in from israeleli port or going to Israeli port and the fourth
[00:50:18] stage was it was a wider and bigger that if there is any company let's say a
[00:50:22] company that have 50, a fleet of 50 ship, if one of that
[00:50:26] ship of that company, one ship has gone to Israel, even through the
[00:50:30] mediterarancy, this mean all the 49 ships
[00:50:33] are not allowed from the rid sea, so
[00:50:37] it's four stage and yemen was doing so to to
[00:50:41] stop, it's like the they were trying to do something good to have a
[00:50:45] form a blockade against Israel, it should be the united nation who
[00:50:49] should have taken a step and the UN security council so... germany was
[00:50:53] doing, they were trying implement the international law by forcing Israel to
[00:50:56] stop the junite and this actually to protect
[00:51:00] the people who are under attack and under ethnic cleansing, but on
[00:51:04] the other hand we see united states and other country, they were
[00:51:08] supporting the scient state under genicide and the media, western
[00:51:11] media, they were asking us why we doing so, they are not asking the people who are
[00:51:15] attacking the ziant state of Israel,
[00:51:19] mean supporting are regarding to Saudi Arabia,
[00:51:26] just to clarify so then any commercial ship that is going through
[00:51:30] the babil mandab straight that has no connection to either Israel or
[00:51:34] Saudi Arabia they will be free to go through is that is that what you
[00:51:37] believe? at at this at this point what they
[00:51:40] said any ship can go through b except
[00:51:44] Saudi because we have formed a blocade against Saudi Even before
[00:51:47] controlling the Babel mandab but regarding Israel I can assure you that
[00:51:51] there is no ship. At this point going through the red sea, even
[00:51:55] though Yemen has after the agreement between the
[00:51:59] resistant Hamas and Israel and the seas fire, of course Yeman has
[00:52:03] declared that as soon as. they will stop and they have
[00:52:07] stopped so uh so any
[00:52:10] i believe if there is any other as long as not the saudi ship because the
[00:52:13] battle now is for yemen okay let's let's put some of that to
[00:52:17] awa then how close are we
[00:52:18] then ar to a situation where major shipping
[00:52:22] companies simply decide that the baby mendeb straight is is too
[00:52:26] dangerous to use uh as many have already done with
[00:52:30] the straight of homoz think time will
[00:52:33] tell with this Initially
[00:52:35] of course everyone's going to be a bit spooked and try to avoid Babel
[00:52:39] mandab, however with the straight of hormo's close, they don't really have
[00:52:43] many options at this point, and if the hoothies keep on their
[00:52:47] promise of only attacking ships linked to Saudi Arabia,
[00:52:51] then I think other shipping companies will be willing to take that risk, um, it's an
[00:52:55] expensive detour, um, gas prices, oil prices are
[00:52:58] already sky high, you're going to have to take that risk, and so
[00:53:02] far the hoofies seem to be following through with... they've been
[00:53:05] saying, so
[00:53:08] annel sheeline, is there uh, in your view realistic
[00:53:12] route to prevent Yemen permanently becoming
[00:53:16] this proxy battlefield in the
[00:53:18] region? I think the
[00:53:22] most straightforward way of addressing this would be for the
[00:53:26] Saudis to try meeting the Huthi's demands,
[00:53:30] they tried for seven years to fight the Hufis
[00:53:32] unsuccessfully, so at this... point perhaps what they should try
[00:53:36] to do is lift the blockade, lift the restrictions on the hoofi
[00:53:40] controlled territory, grant Yemen its sovereignty
[00:53:43] and proceed from there. um, as
[00:53:47] we've said, the the military options have not been
[00:53:50] working, um, from the Saudis perspective, they just need to get their
[00:53:54] oil to market, because their very large um tankers can't go
[00:53:58] through Suez, and we know at this point the east-west pip pipeline
[00:54:02] is shut down anyway, as result of attacks. we believe
[00:54:05] by um militias in Iraq, and so right now there
[00:54:09] isn't even oil coming across to the Red Sea, but in the event
[00:54:13] that that again is is resumed, some of it won't be
[00:54:17] able to go through the Suas Canal anyway, so the Saudis really do need
[00:54:20] to find a solution here, and at the moment the Saudis
[00:54:24] continue to be under the impression that there's a military
[00:54:28] solution, but again and again it has been
[00:54:31] clear that that is really unlikely to be effective, and from this...
[00:54:35] position, they are already suffering economically, MBS
[00:54:39] is in the process of trying implement his very ambitious vision
[00:54:42] 2030, and I think from the the the most
[00:54:45] effective means forward would be for Saudi Arabia to
[00:54:49] to make um to come to an agreement with the Hufis, to
[00:54:53] recognize their sovereignty, a way this would also
[00:54:57] allow the Hufis to then develop relationship with Saudi
[00:55:01] Arabia, the Saudis have expressed concerns that this would increase...
[00:55:05] the influence of Iran and Yemen, but from
[00:55:08] the the perspective of unsud law, they would prefer to be
[00:55:12] recognized as the legitimate government in Sana by other countries, not
[00:55:16] only Iran, and to be able to proceed
[00:55:19] with relationship with Saudi Arabia for example, so I fear that that
[00:55:23] is unlikely to be the route that Saudi Arabia takes, but I
[00:55:27] do think that that would be the most effective way
[00:55:31] of of addressing this this crisis for.
[00:55:35] world in terms of oil prices and and starting to move
[00:55:38] towards a negotiated solution for Yemen. All right, we're going to
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[01:00:29] displaced, hundreds killed and attacks continuing on both sides
[01:00:33] the border, that's the situation between Yemen and Saudi Arabia right
[01:00:37] now, the Hutis claim Saudis have carried out more than
[01:00:40] 350 strikes in the past few days, the Saudis
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