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[00:00:00] to the large scale violence that we've seen in decades gone by. The
[00:00:04] question then is can the peace last, can these political
[00:00:07] agents can these politicians find a way on the negotiating
[00:00:11] table to make things work, to come
[00:00:14] of together and to work for the sake
[00:00:15] of the banga
[00:00:16] of people. That's what they've been saying that their aim
[00:00:18] of is after
[00:00:19] a all. The US house speaker is pushing back
[00:00:23] against growing warnings over the risks posed by artificial
[00:00:26] intelligence. Echoing President Donald Trump's claim that fears. about
[00:00:30] AI are hoax. Mike Johnson says the real threat isn't
[00:00:34] AI itself, but allowing China to pull ahead in the race to
[00:00:37] dominate the technology. His comments come as pressure builds on Congress
[00:00:41] to act after insiders at Open AI
[00:00:44] of and Anthropic warned AI could
[00:00:47] of pose an existential threat. They
[00:00:51] can self-police, they can self-regulate. They don't need the government to tell them to slow
[00:00:55] it down. If they want to slow it down they should, but we cannot exactly. We cannot
[00:00:59] have a more. moratorium on the development of AI, okay, because then
[00:01:03] we will lose our edge to China, and that has serious national security
[00:01:06] of implications for every American family. But in a striking
[00:01:10] political crossover, progressive senator Bernie Sanders and former
[00:01:14] Trump strategist Steve Bannon
[00:01:16] of have found common ground on AI. The
[00:01:19] of unlikely allies appeared together a so-called pro-human event in
[00:01:22] Washington, warning that unchecked AI could bring potentially
[00:01:26] catastrophic consequences.
[00:01:30] be very clear, a super intelligent AI that
[00:01:34] escapes human control will not
[00:01:37] simply be an American problem, it
[00:01:41] of will not be a Chinese problem, it
[00:01:44] will be humanities problem, and
[00:01:48] that is why I hope very much that at
[00:01:52] their AI summit next week, President Trump will
[00:01:56] negotiate a comprehensive treaty with President Chi.
[00:02:00] to establish pause on advanced AI
[00:02:03] development and a ban on super
[00:02:07] intelligence, so why are we letting the Chinese country's
[00:02:10] party drive us, oh we have to this or China win, we have to do this or China win, we have to
[00:02:14] do this or China is going to
[00:02:16] of win. We should quarantine
[00:02:20] now every aspect
[00:02:24] of the ecosystem of artificial intelligence
[00:02:27] away from the Chinese Communist Party. day we should cut
[00:02:31] them off
[00:02:32] of of all, and that's the
[00:02:36] news for
[00:02:36] in now, straight talk is
[00:02:37] next.
[00:02:46] of
[00:02:55] of
[00:03:00] The Iran war has
[00:03:01] of shaken the Middle East, exposing weaknesses in America's regional security
[00:03:05] order, as Washington considers reducing its military
[00:03:09] footprint, questions are growing over the future of US leadership in the
[00:03:13] of of region. Is American dominance giving way to new multipolar
[00:03:16] world? I'll break it all down here on Straight
[00:03:19] talk.
[00:03:38] Hello and welcome to Straight talk. I'm Yusuf Farm. The Iran war has raised
[00:03:42] fundamental questions about the future
[00:03:45] a of the Middle East, global energy security
[00:03:46] a and American leadership. The war's fallout has exposed
[00:03:49] vulnerabilities in the U.S. Led security order. Iran has severely
[00:03:53] damaged American
[00:03:57] in of bases across the Gulf, threaten Washington's regional allies and disrupted shipping. through the straight of
[00:04:00] Hormus, and now America's decades long military presence
[00:04:04] in the Middle East is being rolled back. U.S. forces have left
[00:04:08] their
[00:04:08] of major bases in Syria are withdrawing from
[00:04:11] a Iraq, and
[00:04:12] of the Pentagon is even considering abandoning some gulf
[00:04:16] of facilities battered by Iranian attacks. Amid that
[00:04:19] uncertainty, new alliances are emerging: Turkia, Saudi
[00:04:23] Arabia, and Pakistan
[00:04:25] in have in formed the Mecca defense alliance, pledging to treat attack on one
[00:04:29] as attack on. Meanwhile, Turkey Israel
[00:04:32] of tensions are deepening as Israel strengthens military ties with
[00:04:36] Greece through a 3.5 billion dollar deal. So as
[00:04:40] old alliances are tested and new power centers emerge, what does
[00:04:44] the future hold for American influence, and what would a truly
[00:04:48] multipolar Middle East and World look like? Formore,
[00:04:52] joining me now from Washington DC is
[00:04:54] of Political Scientist George Friedman. He's also the chairperson
[00:04:58] of geopolitical futures.
[00:05:00] of George, thanks for joining me. I've read your books and consumed
[00:05:04] lot of your content, and someone I've closely followed over the years
[00:05:08] and I'm very happy to have you across from me right now to be
[00:05:11] of able to unpack. many issues, and I want to begin with the war
[00:05:15] in Iran and rather talk about event-based
[00:05:18] scenarios, I want to talk about where on the time, where in the
[00:05:22] timeline we are right now, are we at the beginning, the
[00:05:26] middle or the end of this conflict between the United States
[00:05:29] and Iran and Israel as distant third
[00:05:32] belligerant? well, when you take a look at the war uh,
[00:05:36] essentially it's about nuclear power, you've noticed that
[00:05:40] President Trump is constantly talking about about their nuclear
[00:05:43] capability for one reason that i don't think it
[00:05:46] world understands, al-qaeda, it's
[00:05:50] remnance, it's
[00:05:51] not an operational force, is given sanctuary inside of
[00:05:55] Iran, the nightmare the United States, this is the
[00:05:59] anniversary the 9/11 attacks, is the idea of
[00:06:02] nuclear 9/11 placing
[00:06:06] a ship, nuclear weapon sailing into New York
[00:06:09] Harbor, so I think this was... the
[00:06:12] motivations behind what Trump did:
[00:06:16] first he bombed their nuclear facilities,
[00:06:20] that failed to stop them, he's constantly demanding
[00:06:24] this as his course. i think this is the
[00:06:27] fundamental force that led the United States to do this, the
[00:06:31] fear of nuclear Iran, given its ideology and
[00:06:35] given harbor to, but
[00:06:39] if that's the case, why tear up the JCP?
[00:06:43] away and then leave a certain amount of time
[00:06:47] between a military intervention. I mean, you've kind of
[00:06:50] unsackled around to pursue a nuclear weapon, in
[00:06:54] that there's a couple years in between the military intervention and
[00:06:58] tearing up the JCPO, so I mean strategically, it's kind
[00:07:02] of like almost Trump is baiting Iran into getting a nuclear
[00:07:05] weapon. Well, the war
[00:07:08] began with a strategic error by the United States.
[00:07:14] "they thought that the government, the civilian government of
[00:07:17] Iran was the government of Iran, they destroyed
[00:07:21] it, they decapitated Iran, they thought this would create the
[00:07:24] chaos, the truth was that the
[00:07:28] IRGC controls the country and
[00:07:32] destroying the civilian leadership didn't do anything at it. now
[00:07:36] why Trump didn't know this? I don't know, whether the
[00:07:40] intelligence people told him that this was true or..." not, I don't understand what
[00:07:43] happened, but the war began with an assumption
[00:07:47] that was not true, and Iran has
[00:07:50] been able to resist to this point,
[00:07:53] and so this is a war that began
[00:07:57] with, I think a misunderstanding the nature of Iran, that is
[00:08:00] continuing, we're learning it
[00:08:03] now,
[00:08:05] so so what is the end of this war look like,
[00:08:07] is it is the end the war mushroom cloud over
[00:08:10] Tehran, is it?
[00:08:16] and where does that leave American presence in the Middle East? I mean, will
[00:08:20] these bases that have been hit quite hard in
[00:08:24] Bahrain, Qatar, the UAE, Saudi Arabia,
[00:08:27] Jordan, are they going to be rebuilt or is America going
[00:08:31] to use this as excuse to downsize
[00:08:35] presence and finally do that Pacific shift that we've been hearing about for a couple
[00:08:39] decades? well, the fundamental interested. the United
[00:08:42] States is disengaging from the eastern
[00:08:46] hemisphere, for the past 80 years, the United States had the
[00:08:50] role of managing
[00:08:54] events
[00:08:54] in the eastern hemisphere, it fought many wars, many dead
[00:08:58] people from Vietnam to Iraq and so on and so forth,
[00:09:02] this is something any president would be doing trying to
[00:09:05] disengage from the exposure in the
[00:09:09] far east, at the same time it's not an easy. thing to achieve
[00:09:13] events happening and they're being drawing into it,
[00:09:17] so what I see that is happening is what I would
[00:09:20] know, we had expected to happen,
[00:09:24] disengagement, but disengagements are hard, and
[00:09:28] what the United States really wants to do is not to be responsible for
[00:09:31] Israel, not to be responsible for the Saudis, but is
[00:09:35] very happy, I think to see the evolution of
[00:09:38] Turkey and its allies in Pakistan. and
[00:09:42] in Saudi Arabia as new entity, so
[00:09:46] from my point of view, this is the most important evolutions that's taking
[00:09:50] place in your region, which is this
[00:09:54] new environment in which we
[00:09:58] will ask not what the Americans are going to be doing, but more as what the
[00:10:01] Turkish Turks are going to be doing, so so
[00:10:05] you
[00:10:05] see T the probably the biggest candidate to fill the American void
[00:10:09] in the region, I i want you to talk a little about that and
[00:10:12] also the Mecca Alliance, this newly formed
[00:10:16] defensive coalition between Turkia, Pakistan and Saudi
[00:10:20] Arabia, will that be playing a big role, do you for see that being
[00:10:24] a... successful endeavor that may be growing in the
[00:10:27] future, enormous,
[00:10:31] I predicted that the Turks and the
[00:10:35] Iranians and I should say, I
[00:10:38] predicted that the Turks and the Saudis would become
[00:10:42] allies. Turkey is very powerful military
[00:10:46] force, it needs economic support.
[00:10:50] Saudi Arabia is very powerful economic
[00:10:53] force. "it needs to be protected by
[00:10:57] Turkey, so when we take a look at the situation
[00:11:01] there, I knew there would be lions between
[00:11:04] Turkey and Saudi Arabia, I was
[00:11:07] surprised by Pakistan being included, but it was an excellent
[00:11:11] inclusion, now Iran is actually
[00:11:13] surrounded by Turkey
[00:11:17] and Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, it becomes their
[00:11:21] problem, but the United States is not very good at disengaging.
[00:11:25] from problems, so this comes question, how does the United States
[00:11:29] disengage and allow the mecca
[00:11:32] alliance to expand to Egypt perhaps
[00:11:36] and to take responsibility for these
[00:11:39] things? well, how do you
[00:11:42] see the this handing the batan happening? mean,
[00:11:46] obviously it's going to be gradualer phase, mean america is
[00:11:50] not just going to pick up its bags and leave tomorrow, the mech
[00:11:53] alliance is... isn't ready to handle that burden
[00:11:57] right now either, it's still trying to build its mechanisms, how do
[00:12:01] you see that gradual shift and the actors
[00:12:05] inside the region, obviously Israel and iran two
[00:12:09] countries that when they look at the mech alliance probably are
[00:12:13] concerning uh, its presence is concerning to their own
[00:12:16] national securities, how do you think that's going to play out as
[00:12:20] well? well first
[00:12:23] Israel, okay? Israel is a profoundly
[00:12:27] weak country, it was created by the United
[00:12:30] Nations, it is 71 miles
[00:12:33] wide its widest point, it
[00:12:37] was faced by hostile nations and
[00:12:41] movements all around it, and it
[00:12:43] adopted a strategy of preemptive strikes
[00:12:47] constantly holding them off, in 73 it
[00:12:51] almost lost the war because it didn't do that,
[00:12:55] "this is no longer the reality in the region. It's very
[00:12:58] important to understand that Israel is now a very different
[00:13:02] position than it was before. It is now no
[00:13:06] longer simply the major military power in
[00:13:10] the region, Turkey is evolving, Pakistan has
[00:13:13] evolved, other nations are evolving, so very
[00:13:17] different Israel must emerge, and that's a political
[00:13:21] problem, but you had said before that the United States can simply..."
[00:13:25] leave, we simply left Vietnam, we left
[00:13:28] Iraq, we left Afghanistan, we have that
[00:13:32] ability to realize what the game is up to take
[00:13:35] actions, so I think one the things that
[00:13:39] the alliance has to be considering is the possibility
[00:13:43] that in the end, if the Iranians don't collapse, and they're a great deal of difficulty
[00:13:47] economically as well, if they don't reach an accommodation, the United
[00:13:51] States could leave, and then you must evolve your...
[00:13:55] organization much more rapidly than you're planning to,
[00:13:59] well what's in, mean obviously the as as
[00:14:03] we both agree, the united states can't leave, and there are examples of
[00:14:07] it just leaving, but again, leaving a country versus leaving region,
[00:14:10] especially region that's been so lucrative for the united states,
[00:14:14] mean the oil here uh the amount of money that's pumped into
[00:14:18] us treasury bills uh the investment in the united states
[00:14:22] that's not something that uh washington wants to just leave
[00:14:26] behind again, having a NATO member
[00:14:30] here filling that security void, that's important,
[00:14:34] but again that period of transition going to be tough, there's been a lot of
[00:14:38] friction between Israel and Turkey, obviously Israel
[00:14:42] very important for the United States, some would say it's closest sally, some
[00:14:46] would say ally that gets it into a lot of trouble as well at the
[00:14:49] same time, how's the friction between Israel and Turkia going to
[00:14:53] play out in? washington, will the
[00:14:56] us want to hand over to? is this something
[00:15:00] that the Israel influence and lobby in Washington will try to
[00:15:04] prevent? will will Israel to be the leader in this
[00:15:08] region? well, let's first understand why Israel became so important for the
[00:15:11] United States. its first support it was not the United States, it was
[00:15:15] France gave it weapons and so on. the problem
[00:15:19] was that the Soviets had become allies with the Syrians,
[00:15:23] with the Egyptians and
[00:15:38] "and that's not relevant,
[00:15:41] so the American engagement in the Middle
[00:15:45] East used to be security engagement trying to block the
[00:15:48] Soviets, at this point it's going to be more of economic
[00:15:52] relationship, it does not want the burdens of
[00:15:56] sending troops there, and its relationship with
[00:16:00] Israel, as you see in the United States, where Israel is
[00:16:04] widely supported, that support has declined. among the
[00:16:08] public and in the presidency
[00:16:11] itself, so I think we're seeing a fundamental change, I think
[00:16:15] Israel will survive, Israel will be
[00:16:19] there, but the most important nation from the
[00:16:23] United States point of view at this point in time
[00:16:26] is this mecca alliance and particular Turkey,
[00:16:30] that is going to emerge, as I said before, as the
[00:16:34] major power in the region, and Israel will have to learn... to live with
[00:16:38] that, otherwise it'll be disastrous,
[00:16:41] so things are changing, the realities the past
[00:16:45] that we were living with are obsolete, very different things are
[00:16:49] emerging. i want to talk a little about
[00:16:53] one the books that you wrote the next 100 years back in 2009,
[00:16:57] i believe it was published i when you take into account one or two
[00:17:01] years to formulate your thoughts and actually write the book, we can say it's
[00:17:04] about two decades old now, you look back at your
[00:17:08] predictions and you see the way it is
[00:17:11] now, what lines up,
[00:17:15] what is an overachievement, what is an underachievement compared to
[00:17:19] what you pictured at 20 years ago,
[00:17:22] well it's actually moving the way i thought, i said
[00:17:26] there were three countries, japan, poland
[00:17:30] and turkey, these would become major regional
[00:17:33] powers, that transition is happening
[00:17:36] now,
[00:18:37] marginalized in terms their power and so on and so forth, and to a
[00:18:41] large extent the turks
[00:18:45] will have to deal with that problem in time. what's what
[00:18:49] should turke's biggest concern be going forward or what could
[00:18:53] derail it from achieving uh the place that
[00:18:57] you predicted it would be in the next 100
[00:18:59] years? well the most important
[00:19:03] things that are in the region are the non-state actors,
[00:19:07] he's not. state actors are ideological, there are countries
[00:19:11] that are supporting them, particularly Iran, and they tend to
[00:19:14] destabilize the situation, not only for Israel,
[00:19:18] mostly for Israel, but also for other countries,
[00:19:22] so it's very difficult to have steady international
[00:19:26] relations within countries in the middle east, so long these are the non-state
[00:19:30] actors, so one the things that has to be
[00:19:33] done, these non-state actors were primarily against Israel,
[00:19:38] but also destabilizing the region as well, so the next step has to
[00:19:41] be a modification, not an elimination, a
[00:19:45] modification these non-state actors, then the
[00:19:48] nations the region can begin talking without looking over their
[00:19:52] shoulders. i want to ask you,
[00:19:56] there's been a lot of talk about us being now
[00:19:59] a multipolar order, are we a multipolar
[00:20:03] world, is there a multipolar order governing that multipolar?
[00:20:07] world or are we still in the last throws the unipolar
[00:20:11] world? well, there was never a unipolar
[00:20:15] world, there was a bipolar world, the United States and the Soviet
[00:20:18] Union for 80 years faced each other, competed for each
[00:20:22] other in the former European empires that collapsed after World
[00:20:26] War II, and the Russians are no
[00:20:30] longer major power, that they could not occupy in
[00:20:33] almost five years Ukraine, means they are not,
[00:20:37] possibly going to
[00:20:38] go to war with europe, they're not a major power, their
[00:20:42] economy is split, the fundamental relationship at this
[00:20:46] point is between the United States and China. China has...
[00:20:50] a fundamental problem: it produces more products
[00:20:53] than it consume domestically. it is the world's second
[00:20:57] largest economy, but in terms of per capita
[00:21:01] income, the ability them to
[00:21:04] buy the goods, the number 71.
[00:21:08] the United States is their largest
[00:21:12] exporting partner, they need the United States, they
[00:21:16] cannot have hostile relation
[00:21:17] to the United States. the United States can not
[00:21:20] have be dependent economically on
[00:21:24] China so long as they might go to war with
[00:21:28] us, therefore the summits that are being held now are
[00:21:32] being based on two relationships evolving, the
[00:21:35] first the economic relationship, which is very
[00:21:39] important to China, the second
[00:21:42] is not having a military
[00:21:45] confrontation, so we're used to the idea of a
[00:21:49] Soviet America.
[00:22:20] hemisphere and therefore they're looking for, I
[00:22:23] think, leadership within the region. We've already said that
[00:22:27] NATO must be responsible for the region, so who is
[00:22:31] responsible
[00:22:32] for the Middle East? I'm talking to the people who are going
[00:22:36] to
[00:22:36] be responsible for the Middle East, along with the Saudis and others, so
[00:22:40] this is a fundamental change. We're thinking about the polar
[00:22:44] worlds, it's much more complex now.
[00:22:48] Yeah, it does look like inside. of that multipolar world, these
[00:22:52] middle powers are definitely going to have very, very big roles.
[00:22:56] i want to ask you about another prediction in uh,
[00:23:00] 2030s, the collapse of Russia, do you
[00:23:03] still see that happening with the current state the war in
[00:23:07] Ukraine, and if Russia does collapse, where does
[00:23:11] that leave NATO going forward?
[00:23:14] well, Russia already lost
[00:23:18] the... countries to the east of
[00:23:22] it, the those countries, it lost the
[00:23:25] south caucases, it lost western
[00:23:28] Europe, the country that was the Soviet
[00:23:31] Union is much reduced, this is
[00:23:34] why they invade Ukraine,
[00:23:37] so Hitler and st, Hitler and
[00:23:41] Napolian invaded Russia, they lost because of how
[00:23:45] deep it was, the Ukrainian border is about
[00:23:49] 300.
[00:24:20] fear, a concept that this Russia is a great power, it's going to invade
[00:24:24] the Baltics or this or that, it's shown that it's not
[00:24:28] a great military power, and in that
[00:24:31] sense it has already collapsed it away,
[00:24:34] it is nothing like what we thought was, therefore
[00:24:37] NATO as an organization that was built to defend
[00:24:41] against Russia is going evolve into something else or
[00:24:44] collapse, so we're looking, we are living a period
[00:24:48] like the end of world. two where everything is changing in the
[00:24:52] world, definitely a very transformative period. i
[00:24:56] want to ask you about two more alliances, the bricks
[00:24:59] and the shanghai cooperation organization, how do you
[00:25:03] see these two alliances within the framework the
[00:25:06] future? well, in terms of military
[00:25:09] alliance, they're not much, okay, and they have hostile
[00:25:13] relation with each other, as
[00:25:16] economic evolution, the...
[00:25:20] evolve in various ways, so we must
[00:25:23] distinguish something we didn't distinguish in the cold war. in the cold
[00:25:27] war we were always looking at military power, now it's
[00:25:30] military power plus economic power, and these
[00:25:34] countries are united in certain
[00:25:38] ways, but they have very different interests, very different positions and so on
[00:25:42] and so forth, so a coalition these
[00:25:45] countries is as being effective is very hard to
[00:25:48] imagine. what one the major themes at
[00:25:52] uh the SCO and probably at the Ricks is the status
[00:25:56] of uh the dollar as the reserved currency, do you see
[00:26:00] the the future the dollar in? danger and if something does
[00:26:04] replace it, what could replace it?
[00:26:08] well, firstly, the United States became the world's currency,
[00:26:11] because the only valuable currency after World War II, the Britain
[00:26:15] Woods agreements and all these other agreements created a structure the
[00:26:19] world. One the things the United States
[00:26:22] did was rejuvenate
[00:26:25] Europe, okay? another thing it did was fight the
[00:26:29] soviets all over the former European empire.
[00:26:33] in the Congo as well, everywhere using foreign aid as
[00:26:37] a tool, these things are not really relevant
[00:26:41] to this point, so when we talk about the United
[00:26:44] States
[00:26:45] as the major currency, it's also a problem for the United States, so
[00:26:49] for example recently when Japan was having economic powers, the
[00:26:52] Americans had to go into
[00:26:54] Japan,
[00:26:59] this is always had a problem for the United States, but particularly. now that
[00:27:03] there are powers economic powers like Japan,
[00:27:06] like Saudi Arabia, all these countries, why should they notice
[00:27:10] bear the burden of being the primary
[00:27:14] currency? the primary currency is
[00:27:17] whatever other nations accept, it is the US
[00:27:21] primary currency because
[00:27:22] it is the most stable currency and the most
[00:27:26] capable in in the end of
[00:27:29] time other nations will emerge, other current. will
[00:27:32] emerge, so whether the dollar remains the
[00:27:36] fundamental currency, I'm not sure the United States is eager
[00:27:40] to see that happen, because many times the United States was drawn
[00:27:44] economic situations to stabilize
[00:27:46] it, if you could write a one
[00:27:50] chapter add-on to the next 100 years with 20 years of
[00:27:54] hindsight right now, what would that chapter be
[00:27:57] titled and what would the predictions in that chapter
[00:28:00] include? At this point,
[00:28:03] the most important question in the world is the future of
[00:28:07] Europe. The European
[00:28:09] Union, its
[00:28:12] GDP is larger than the
[00:28:15] Chinese. If Europe got
[00:28:18] together as nation state
[00:28:21] away, with provinces and so on, it
[00:28:25] would be a superpower. If it remains in this
[00:28:28] condition it's in, which is likely to remain, it...
[00:28:33] be victim the united states, china
[00:28:36] and other countries picking them off,
[00:28:39] so the most important geopolitical
[00:28:42] question is, will the europeans join
[00:28:46] together, and what happens is
[00:28:49] eastern Europe, maybe the seas alliance pull together or something
[00:28:53] like that, but the most important
[00:28:57] things that are happening now are in south america,
[00:29:01] which is devolving. rapidly economically, but also the
[00:29:05] middle east, when we see this first
[00:29:08] major Islamic alliance, I'll call it, that is
[00:29:12] formed, suddenly the possibility the Middle East
[00:29:16] becoming very wealthy, perhaps happy
[00:29:20] region is possible. George Friedman,
[00:29:23] fascinating discussion, thank you for doing
[00:29:26] this.
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