TRTWORLD — Raising Expectations The Truth About Ai
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[00:00:09] Hello, you're watching TRT World, I'm Katie Pillbeam,
[00:00:11] a reminder now of our main headlines for
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[00:03:04] "the United States says the international criminal court threatens its
[00:03:07] sovereignty, but what does its campaign against the ICC say
[00:03:11] about America's commitment to international law? We ask a
[00:03:15] former congressman who served in the US military. I think
[00:03:19] me if you look at the United States of America, we have hold ourselves to very
[00:03:23] high standard of accountability and responsibility. Uh, I
[00:03:27] of don't think there are
[00:03:28] too many countries that would imprison.
[00:03:32] But is America's opposition to the ICC really about principle
[00:03:36] or about who the court holds to account, the war crimes prosecutor
[00:03:40] weighs in. It was only when a western allied
[00:03:44] country like Israel was targeted
[00:03:47] that you have this huge reprisal against the court and against
[00:03:51] international justice, and if the system is to survive,
[00:03:55] it has to be even handed.
[00:03:59] Hello, welcome. to the program: last month, the United States
[00:04:03] announced sanctions against the president
[00:04:05] of the international criminal court and a senior ICC
[00:04:08] lawyer. So far, at least 11
[00:04:10] of the court's officials, including the former chief prosecutor Kariem Khan and
[00:04:14] nine judges, have been placed under US sanctions, which
[00:04:18] include asset freezes and travel
[00:04:20] of bans. It's part of what secretary of state Marco Rubio has called a campaign to
[00:04:24] dismantle the ICC's threat to US sovereignty. The
[00:04:28] international criminal court. is an illegitimate international
[00:04:32] a organization, these are the people I think they can go out and basically indicate any world leader and fall them into
[00:04:36] the hague, so we've begun, we tried to get them to reform and
[00:04:39] of listen to us, they wouldn't do it, they're very
[00:04:41] of arrogant, we've now begun an effort to really try to bring that court to heal, by
[00:04:45] the way, there's no information that they're after
[00:04:47] of me, it could
[00:04:49] of happen, but just so you now, he's talking about it, I'm saying that
[00:04:53] means, he's not trying to
[00:04:55] a defend me, he is trying to defend BB and various other people,
[00:04:59] Rubio. also suggested the US
[00:05:01] of would pressure the ICC's 125 member states to
[00:05:05] withdraw from the court. So far, five
[00:05:08] of countries have begun the process of withdrawing. Niger, Burkina Faso,
[00:05:12] Mali. Chad and Venezuela, the renewed US pressure on the
[00:05:15] court started after it issued arrest warrants for Israel's prime minister Benjamin
[00:05:19] Netanyahu and his former defense minister over alleged war
[00:05:23] crimes in Gaza. The ICC is also pursuing
[00:05:27] investigations into U.S. personnel in Afghanistan.
[00:05:30] For more on the US campaign against the ICC we're joined by former Republican
[00:05:34] congressman Alan West. He served in Iraq and was also an
[00:05:38] advisor to the Afghan National Army.
[00:05:42] Cornel Allan West, the United States is now sanctioning top
[00:05:46] ICC judges, including the court's president and talking about
[00:05:50] dismantling the ICC. What does that say
[00:05:53] about the United States and its respect for international law? I
[00:05:57] think that what it says is there is a concern about the infringement, possibly on
[00:06:01] American sovereignty. I think that when you look at the ICC and its
[00:06:05] original mandates, I think we'd like to see more of an
[00:06:08] equitable decision making body as far as the
[00:06:11] institute. and implementation the justice and of course
[00:06:15] the mandates that it has across the board. how does this undermine american
[00:06:19] sovereignty?
[00:06:20] you say that the ICC is politicized, what evidence do you have to
[00:06:23] suggest that the the ICC is a politicized
[00:06:27] body? well, I tell you when you look at some the
[00:06:30] things that they are doing, I would love
[00:06:32] to see them stand up and speak out against the genocide, against the Christians
[00:06:36] there in Sudan. look, here in the United States of America, we uh, especially
[00:06:40] our 250th year of independ. uh we we're kind of
[00:06:44] prickly about uh our our sovereignty and uh you know
[00:06:47] the imposition of certain international bodies and some the
[00:06:51] things they may try to uh come at us against and having been a
[00:06:55] former member having been a former member the military we have status of
[00:06:59] forces agreements which hold our members the military responsible for the
[00:07:03] things that they do. hold on though, you said you would love to see the
[00:07:06] ICC investigate cases of genocide in
[00:07:10] Sudan. you know that it's prosecuted and it's investigated
[00:07:14] alleged crimes in Sudan, in fact it's arrested the former president, would
[00:07:18] you be equally happy to see it investigate a case of genocide in
[00:07:22] Palestine against Israely officials? well, first of all, let's
[00:07:26] understand where where the word Palestine come from? I mean, that's one the
[00:07:30] things we need to to get understood, and further more, when you talk about
[00:07:34] what's going on in Gaza, Hamas, if you read their charter, they are
[00:07:37] non-state, non-uniform belligerant, they call for the genocide the
[00:07:41] Jewish people. so again, I mean that is not with respect, this
[00:07:45] is not the question specifically I'm asking you whether you would equally
[00:07:49] love for the ICC to investigate a flagrant case of
[00:07:53] genocide according to most legal experts and international
[00:07:56] organizations committed by Israely forces in
[00:08:00] Palestine in Gaza. It's simple question, one the things you have to, how
[00:08:04] many armies in the United in the world, because the United States American
[00:08:08] army doesn't do this, tries to do everything possible to warn
[00:08:11] individuals about. coming attacks and things of this nature, so if you
[00:08:15] want to talk about genocide, you're talking about a country that's trying to defend
[00:08:19] itself, i don't think the
[00:08:22] israel purposefully, they're not
[00:08:25] purposefully targeting civilians, who isn't purposely targeting
[00:08:29] civilians? can you show a target list where the
[00:08:33] IDF is saying
[00:08:34] that they are purposefully targeting civilians? there are endless reports,
[00:08:38] independent commissions the united nations that have
[00:08:40] said
[00:08:50] Let me talk to you about the United States and its own credibility issue, the
[00:08:54] US is the only country in the world that has
[00:08:57] sanctioned ICC judges for doing their work. You
[00:09:01] have to take that up with the Trump administration, not with Alan West. Do you
[00:09:04] justify that? Uh, again, I think that you should talk to the
[00:09:08] Secretary of State Markal Rubio, but I'm asking about your opinion.
[00:09:12] is it justified that the United States
[00:09:15] sanction international judges for doing their work,
[00:09:19] whether it's in what work are they doing? that's I think
[00:09:23] that's the question that you should be asking Marco Rubio, not colonel Alan West sitting
[00:09:27] here, because I'm not making decisions that are based up about
[00:09:31] United States policy whatsoever in relation to ICC
[00:09:34] judges. The Roame Statute which established the ICC
[00:09:38] criminalizes retaliation against ICC officials for carrying.
[00:09:42] their duties, isn't this what is clearly happening here?
[00:09:46] again, I'm not in a position to say whether or whether not the
[00:09:50] United States is justified in doing that, the person that you should be
[00:09:54] talking to are the people that make that decision. The most important thing is to make
[00:09:58] sure that there's not an overstepping the ICC into the jurisdiction the
[00:10:02] United States of America. You served in
[00:10:05] Iraq, Iraq is not a state party to
[00:10:09] the Rome statute or the ICC, but Afghanistan is. Do you
[00:10:13] believe that US service members or CIA
[00:10:16] officers should be investigated by an independent international
[00:10:20] body like the ICC, if the US fails to
[00:10:24] prosecute. some these crimes? i think the United States does
[00:10:28] prosecute its own individuals and
[00:10:30] I think also that when the United States goes into these respective countries
[00:10:34] there's a status of forces agreement that is signed that makes sure that
[00:10:38] we abide by all the rules, the laws and the
[00:10:41] jurisdictions there of
[00:10:43] and we take care of and make sure that anybody that violates those rules and
[00:10:46] laws, there are people that are sitting in jail here in the United States of
[00:10:50] America in military prisons because they violated our code of conduct
[00:10:54] our... uniform code of military justice: you yourself faced
[00:10:58] military punishment over the treatment of an Iraqi
[00:11:00] detainee? military prosecutors
[00:11:04] found that your interrogation amounted to torture, you
[00:11:08] refined $500, but there are hundreds of cases
[00:11:12] of alleged abuse by US forces in Iraq that were
[00:11:15] reportedly never investigated, the vast majority did not result
[00:11:19] in criminal prosecutions. what should then happen when the US investigates
[00:11:23] itself and decides not to... prosecute, well, I think that's in
[00:11:27] line with the chain of command that we have here uh, in my case,
[00:11:31] I was uh taken out of command, I was f $5,00, I went to
[00:11:34] a grand jury, article 32, that's what we call it in the
[00:11:38] military, uh, I was uh found uh
[00:11:42] not not guilty of going to a court marshal, but there was
[00:11:46] non-judicial punishment, and I received an honorable discharge,
[00:11:49] but uh,
[00:11:50] I did uh, was held accountable for what I did, just the same was
[00:11:53] held accountable, you were accused of... torture,
[00:11:55] which is a pretty serious allegation against you, you were just flying, some
[00:11:59] people would say, you look, it was just psychological intimidation tactic, fired a
[00:12:03] pistol over guy's head and uh,
[00:12:05] i admitted to it, reported myself uh for that incident,
[00:12:09] so i don't think there was any cover up, and again coming back to what you
[00:12:13] talk about, what's the need the ICC to come in and what you know
[00:12:17] sentence me to jail, want to put me in what, international prison, no,
[00:12:21] but shouldn't there be proper accountability, mean what do you say to?
[00:12:27] these are afghans who wants more accountability for these sorts of crimes, who should have the final say? should it be the
[00:12:31] country accused the crime or an independent body looking into
[00:12:35] it? i don't think that a soldier in the United States
[00:12:39] army is responsible to the uh the
[00:12:42] international community. i think that he takes a note to the constitution the
[00:12:46] United States of America, he's held responsible and accountable to the
[00:12:50] chain of command here in the United States of America, just the same as what we saw happen with
[00:12:54] Nadal Hasan. and with Sergeant Hasan who uh
[00:12:57] killed American soldiers, there is no need for an international criminal
[00:13:01] court to come in and be involved in that, we can take care of that based upon our
[00:13:05] uniform code of military justice. Why should America be an exception though? At
[00:13:09] the end the day, should the United States beheld to the same
[00:13:13] standards that it expects other countries to follow?
[00:13:17] I think if you look at the United States of America, well hold ourselves to
[00:13:20] very high standard of accountability and responsibility.
[00:13:25] "I don't think there are too many countries that would imprison his own soldiers as own
[00:13:29] officers uh based upon the uniform code of military justice that we
[00:13:33] have, so I think that the United States of America does a pretty good job with this soldiers, sailors,
[00:13:37] airman and marines. Former congressman Alan West, thank you very
[00:13:40] much. It's my pleasure to have been with you, Gita, thank
[00:13:43] you. The United States has had
[00:13:47] a contentious history with the ICC, which was established in
[00:13:51] 2002. In 2000, Bill Clinton signed..."
[00:13:55] the Rome statute, the treaty that established the international criminal
[00:13:58] court, but did not ratify it. In 2002, George
[00:14:02] W. Bush formally unsigned it, arguing that the ICC
[00:14:06] could expose American soldiers and officials to politically
[00:14:09] motivated prosecutions. In 2020, Donald Trump
[00:14:13] authorized asset freezes and other sanctions against ICC
[00:14:17] officials. In 2021, Joe Biden revoked
[00:14:21] Trump's executive order sanctioning the court in 20. 25
[00:14:25] Donald Trump reimpose sanctions targeting judges involved in
[00:14:29] investigations of US
[00:14:30] or Israeli nationals. So is the
[00:14:33] ICC a threat to US sovereignty? Reed Brody is a US
[00:14:37] lawyer specializing in war crimes. He helped expose the Bush
[00:14:41] administration's torture program in Guantanamo Bay and Abu
[00:14:45] Ghraib. He joins us now. Read
[00:14:49] Broady, the United States government says it is prepared to
[00:14:52] dismantle the ICC code brick by brick. Why has
[00:14:56] the court become such renewed target for the Trump
[00:14:58] administration? Well, I think there there are two
[00:15:02] reasons, one, this is
[00:15:05] insurance policy for the United States against
[00:15:09] accountability for crimes that the Trump administration
[00:15:13] is committing in plain sight. I mean, Marco
[00:15:16] Rubio knows perfectly well that
[00:15:20] bombing Iran without Security Council
[00:15:23] authorization. constitutes aggression under the UN
[00:15:26] charter, that destroying bridges, power plants, water
[00:15:30] treatment facilities in Iran can constitute a war
[00:15:33] crime, that blowing up boats in the Caribbean and killing... their
[00:15:37] occupants without trial constitutes
[00:15:41] murder, that rendering migrants to notorious salvador in
[00:15:44] prison where they were tortured can create criminal
[00:15:48] liability, um,
[00:15:52] and you, but I also think it has to do clearly
[00:15:55] with the arrest warrants against
[00:15:59] Benyamin Netanyahu and Joav Gallant that the
[00:16:03] ICC issued for alleged crimes against humanity.
[00:16:07] in Gaza, is this retaliation for these arrest warrants or is there more to
[00:16:11] it? no, I think it, I think it clearly is. I mean, these
[00:16:15] warrants were watershed moment in the history of
[00:16:19] international justice. uh, in over two decades, the
[00:16:23] ICC prosecutors had never sought the indictment
[00:16:27] of a western or a pro-western official, in fact, no
[00:16:30] international prosecutor going back to Norenburg had done so, for
[00:16:34] its first two decades, it was only African leaders in fact. That's right, it
[00:16:38] was for African leaders, um, and but
[00:16:41] you know, more generally, I mean, if you look at the
[00:16:45] tribunals, it was Slobdon Milosevic, Vladimir Putin,
[00:16:49] enemies the west, and people like me were long
[00:16:52] demanding um, that the ICC apply the law
[00:16:55] to western allies as well, and the moment it did,
[00:16:59] when it charged Netanyahu and Gant over Gaza, that's
[00:17:03] precisely when the United States moved to strangle the court, so it's
[00:17:07] not... being punished for its failures, it's being punished for its
[00:17:11] even handedness, but how much does this campaign have to
[00:17:14] do with the fact that Trump may very well fear that he could
[00:17:18] become the target of an ICC investigation in the future once he
[00:17:22] steps down? well, he could become a target even
[00:17:25] while he's even while he's the president, I
[00:17:28] mean bombing Iran, um,
[00:17:32] sending migrants to the salvador in prison, blowing up
[00:17:35] boats, um, even sanctioning judges and prosecutors
[00:17:39] for doing their job is itself a crime against the administration of
[00:17:43] justice under the court's own statutes and i think a way
[00:17:47] to look at it is
[00:17:48] that the Trump administration is trying to do
[00:17:50] abroad what they're doing at home,
[00:17:54] trample on international law like they're trampling on domestic
[00:17:58] law while they undermine all the
[00:18:00] institutions uh that could get in their way and as you say
[00:18:04] sitting presidents or prime ministers could be
[00:18:08] faced with an arrest warrant obviously, they could also be indicted
[00:18:12] by the ICC. we saw this in the case of Sudan's
[00:18:15] president Omar al-bashiir and others, but in the case
[00:18:19] of Israel, an arrest warrant with Netanyahu or even a
[00:18:23] prosecution against Trump, that is never likely to happen, is
[00:18:27] it? I mean, under the ICC statute, nobody
[00:18:31] has immunity, um, and the ICC has
[00:18:34] indicted sitting leaders, it has indicted as you
[00:18:38] said
[00:18:39] the the former president when he was the president
[00:18:42] of of Sudan, but it's also indicted Vladimir Putin, it's
[00:18:46] indicted Benjamin
[00:18:48] Netanyahu,
[00:18:51] and the problem in getting them
[00:18:55] before the court of course is that the ICC does not have a police force,
[00:18:59] so it has no act depends on state
[00:19:02] cooperation, so they will only get Vladimir Putin or
[00:19:06] Benjamin that... Yahoo uh physically before the
[00:19:09] ICC, if somebody hands them over, and and these people are
[00:19:13] careful enough not to go to places where they would be
[00:19:17] handed over. But the same is true for Donald Trump.
[00:19:20] I mean, the United States is not a party to the ICC, but if it
[00:19:24] commits crimes, if American officials commit crimes on
[00:19:27] countries that are parties to the ICC,
[00:19:31] um, then those states give their jurisdiction,
[00:19:35] and the uh, in the... same way that Russia
[00:19:39] is not a party to the ICC, but Putin allegedly
[00:19:42] committed crimes in Ukraine, which is given jurisdiction. Israel
[00:19:46] is not a party to the ICC, but Netanyahu has allegedly
[00:19:50] committed crimes in Palestine, which has given its jurisdiction. And
[00:19:54] here you see the flagrant hypocrisy in double standards, because when the ICC
[00:19:58] issues an arrest warrant against Vladimir Putin, the United States and
[00:20:02] its western allies all applaud and welcome the
[00:20:05] decision, but of course, when it involves Israel and
[00:20:08] Netanyahu, it's a whole different reaction, isn't it?
[00:20:12] That's absolutely correct. I mean,
[00:20:15] the the American, United States has never been a huge fan the
[00:20:19] ICC under any administration,
[00:20:22] um, but when the arrest warrant came down
[00:20:26] against Vladimir Putin, the Republicans, the
[00:20:30] Democrats, there was a motion, there was resolution in the US senate
[00:20:34] a hund to zero um in.
[00:20:37] support the ICC's arrest
[00:20:40] warrant for Vladimir
[00:20:42] Putin, and that in itself
[00:20:46] undermine this principle that the US had been.
[00:20:50] saying that, oh no, if we're not
[00:20:51] a stake party, you can't come after us, um, and
[00:20:55] so exactly the we're looking at at at
[00:20:59] complete double standards here, but so what is the point to the
[00:21:02] ICC, beyond it being a very idealistic
[00:21:06] institution that was set up for all the right reasons, what's the point to
[00:21:10] it if it is so crippled and and paralyzed by these political
[00:21:14] pressures? well, I think there are several
[00:21:17] important reasons for the ICC. first of all, it
[00:21:21] expresses the international
[00:21:24] commitment um to justice,
[00:21:28] um, the Rome statute, that was
[00:21:31] adopted 24 years ago, um,
[00:21:34] expresses the sentiment the international
[00:21:38] community, it also provides a
[00:21:42] protective umbrella for all these other justice
[00:21:46] operations to go forward around the world.
[00:21:50] um, in many cases that I've been involved in, the threat that
[00:21:54] this case could go to the ICC, or the pressure the
[00:21:57] ICC has has moved these cases
[00:22:01] along, the ICC also sets best
[00:22:04] practices, the ICC is in its work on sexual
[00:22:08] violence, and it's work on violence against children, it's in it work on
[00:22:12] cyber crime, has set best practices that countries around the world
[00:22:16] use, so it's a very important institution, but "if this
[00:22:20] court is destroyed now by the US and by Israel, I
[00:22:24] think international justice for a long time to come um is
[00:22:28] going to suffer. But isn't it also, isn't it also being destroyed by the
[00:22:32] silence of all 125 states
[00:22:36] parties to the ICC? Absolutely,
[00:22:39] absolutely. Why aren't any countries, any governments speaking up
[00:22:43] against these campaigns to underm,
[00:22:47] there are a lot of governments that have,
[00:22:50] particularly in particularly actually in
[00:22:53] Europe, um, but they're not doing it
[00:22:57] with the same kind of force. um,
[00:23:01] the European Union for instance, I mean,
[00:23:05] protest what Trump is doing, but it doesn't implement, for
[00:23:09] instance, so-called blocking legislation. I mean, let's let's first of all
[00:23:13] look at what the what the the US administration has already done, so
[00:23:17] when Trump came in back into office, he... an executive
[00:23:21] order saying the international criminal court represents a
[00:23:24] grave danger to american sovereignty, it's an emergency, and I
[00:23:28] authorized the use of sanctions for people who will be
[00:23:32] designated, and he designated the prosecutor, but then over the last
[00:23:35] year, Marco Rubia, the Secretary of
[00:23:38] State,
[00:23:40] has included all the prosecutors, top three prosecutors and
[00:23:43] eight the judges, these people have had their
[00:23:47] lives up ended, the administration. also named
[00:23:51] three Palestinian leading NGOs, Al
[00:23:55] Hawk, Almazm and the Palestinian Center for human
[00:23:58] rights, it's named the UN special rapporteur on the
[00:24:02] occupied territories, Francesco Albinesi, these people can no
[00:24:05] longer buy plane tickets, book hotel rooms, use credit
[00:24:09] cards, um, and now we're looking at
[00:24:13] potentially greater sanctions now that the court is going to be dismantled
[00:24:17] so-called brick by brick, but what we're not seeing. from other
[00:24:21] countries is economic
[00:24:24] protection, they could have implement blocking
[00:24:28] statutes that would make it illegal for
[00:24:32] people on their territory to abide
[00:24:36] and to enforce the US sanctions, mean i think
[00:24:39] we're seeing in this world in general the bullying
[00:24:43] of donald trump and too many people around the world, whether it has
[00:24:47] to do with the ICC, whether it has to do with.
[00:24:53] with the
[00:24:54] has to do environment or whatever, just not
[00:24:57] using the same vigor, to stand
[00:25:00] up to defend the rule of law, to stand up to defend human rights,
[00:25:04] to stand up to defend a world order that the United
[00:25:08] States helped to create, and if the system is to
[00:25:11] survive, it has to be even handed, and I think
[00:25:15] countries that believe that,
[00:25:18] whether they are... African countries, Latin American countries, European
[00:25:22] countries, Asian countries, they need to stand up for that
[00:25:26] independent justice or we won't have any justice. One the people trying
[00:25:30] implement these standards is the mayor of New
[00:25:33] York, Mam Dani, who had vowed to arrest
[00:25:37] Benjamin Netanyahu if he were to enter US territory, but is the United
[00:25:41] States under any legal obligation implement this arrest
[00:25:45] warrant? So what Mandani has quite correctly said is,
[00:25:49] look, New York City does not have the power to
[00:25:52] indict, I mean to execute the ICC
[00:25:56] warrant, but the government the United States certainly
[00:25:59] does, and
[00:26:04] the United States is not a party to the
[00:26:06] ICC um, but that
[00:26:10] doesn't prohibit it from executing a
[00:26:14] warrant, and any event, accused war
[00:26:18] criminal is subject to the laws the Geneva
[00:26:22] conventions, which say
[00:26:26] that you can be extra prosecuted and extradited anywhere you're
[00:26:29] found. the larger point that mandani. correctly makes is,
[00:26:33] look, we should not be rolling out the red carpet for
[00:26:37] this person, we should
[00:26:39] be describing him as a war criminal, we should not be
[00:26:43] inviting him to speak to a joint session of
[00:26:46] congress, and of course the bigger issue
[00:26:50] here is that the United States should not be
[00:26:53] complicit in Israel's
[00:26:56] crimes, I mean the bombs that were used
[00:27:00] to destroy the... schools and the hospitals
[00:27:04] and the homes in Gaza were American
[00:27:07] bombs, the Israeli campaign
[00:27:10] of persecution against Palestinians
[00:27:14] in the west bank in Gaza is carried out with
[00:27:18] American political, financial
[00:27:22] and and diplomatic support, and that's the larger question that I
[00:27:25] think, thanks to Mandani, we're actually talking in
[00:27:29] the United States about Netanyahu being..." a war
[00:27:32] criminal and can he be arrested rather than listening to him
[00:27:36] speak to joint sessions of congress. never thought i would see the
[00:27:40] day that a prosecutor indicted top
[00:27:44] Israeli official. we've seen that day. now we have to make sure that
[00:27:48] that becomes acceptable.
[00:27:51] reid brody, thanks very much for joining us. you're quite
[00:27:55] welcome. two very different
[00:27:59] American perspectives on the role the ICC and the motive. behind the
[00:28:03] US administration's latest attack on the court,
[00:28:07] if the world's most powerful state support international courts only when they
[00:28:10] prosecute their adversaries, but threaten, sanction or bully
[00:28:14] them when they investigate them or their allies, then justice
[00:28:18] itself becomes politicized. the ICC's credibility
[00:28:22] and ultimately its survival will depend on whether its
[00:28:25] 125 member states are prepared to stand up to
[00:28:29] the US and reject its selective application of
[00:28:32] for international law, that's all from me and the entire team here
[00:28:36] in London,
[00:28:36] watching, thanks
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