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[00:00:09] You're watching TRT World, I'm Katie Pilbeam,
[00:00:11] a reminder now of our main
[00:00:12] in headlines for you: Iran has laid out
[00:00:15] in what it wants from the US before the restart of any negotiations on
[00:00:19] ending their standoff, and the conflict is well threatening the
[00:00:22] entire region now. Security chief Mazim Razev says
[00:00:25] seven
[00:00:27] in conditions have been delivered via Qatar, as Donald Trump. prepares to meet golf
[00:00:31] leaders on the sidelines
[00:00:32] of the UN General Assembly
[00:00:34] in New York next week. The Saudi Led coalition says it's
[00:00:38] intercepted a hoothy ballistic missile targeting Riad
[00:00:41] and stopped a wider attack on several other Saudi cities, but the
[00:00:45] hootis say their missiles and drones hit sensitive sights in the
[00:00:49] capital and an Aramco facility as well in Yambu causing
[00:00:53] large fires and Israely strike against the
[00:00:57] civilian vehicle in Gaza City has killed at least... one
[00:01:00] of person, this raised the death toll on Saturday alone
[00:01:03] of to in five people, including other attacks in Jabalya, Nazarat and
[00:01:07] Gaza City. It is the latest Israeli violation to the
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[00:01:14] 1,300 Palestinians have been killed in Israeli attack since that
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[00:01:21] a music star Ed Sheiren has apologized to fans for how he's handled the
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[00:01:45] pulled out
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[00:01:47] Mackwamor. But this week the criticism was
[00:01:51] about something much more important and I've had to take uh and make
[00:01:55] difficult decisions and I am making mistakes and I'm so so
[00:01:59] sorry. Hundreds of Ukrainian drones
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[00:02:07] election official. Moscow has accused Keve of sending over
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[00:02:18] Committee says the drone attack targeted a civilian bus in the
[00:02:22] Russian controlled part of her son. Our
[00:02:24] of President Voldamis Zelensky has confirmed that the drones also struck an oil
[00:02:28] refinery in Russia. Moscow region overnight. Russian air
[00:02:32] defenses have intercepted most of those
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[00:02:40] in Wild.
[00:02:53] It could be as soon as 2027 for creation of
[00:02:56] superintelligence. At that point it decides what to do.
[00:03:00] the next day, this is about killing everyone. Dr. Roman
[00:03:04] in Jampolski has studied AI for 15 years. He believes there's a
[00:03:07] in 99.9% chance it will make humans extinct.
[00:03:11] Donald Trump thinks such warnings are nonsense. It's a
[00:03:15] hoax. The robots are not going to be taking over the world. AI will
[00:03:19] not be taking over the rest
[00:03:20] of the world. The whole
[00:03:21] of thing is hoax. The US president wants America to beat
[00:03:25] of China in the AI race. But is this race to our doom
[00:03:29] in AI. only AI wins, it doesn't matter who builds it,
[00:03:33] china,
[00:03:34] of us, everyone dies. after numerous AI scares this
[00:03:37] year, including AI agents secretly
[00:03:40] of teaming up to hacker tech company, even the men building AI
[00:03:44] systems are now begging for regulation, we need to
[00:03:48] a slow of down, we cannot take any risk of loss of control, their models are very
[00:03:51] dangerous. today on the nexus we ask
[00:03:54] in Romalsky, if those tech titans are staging
[00:03:56] a cyop to destroy the competition, and if there's any...
[00:04:00] truth to allegations that he may be
[00:04:02] exaggerating,
[00:04:05] and I'm glad to say Roman
[00:04:06] of Yampolsky joins us once again in the studio. Roman, the
[00:04:10] last time you were with us was five months ago, has anything happened between
[00:04:14] of then and now that concerns you? five months is
[00:04:18] eternity when it comes to AI, more happens in a week than previous
[00:04:22] 10 years of technological progress, so yeah, quite a few
[00:04:26] developments, we seen huge incidents with the...
[00:04:31] by hacking
[00:04:31] a out
[00:04:32] of their containment, breaking into our companies, we saw
[00:04:35] political developments, we saw leaders
[00:04:37] of the labs, maybe show interest in
[00:04:41] slowing down, so lot to talk about. absolutely. now we'll get
[00:04:45] to all of those points in just second, but first let's start with the
[00:04:48] basics. when you were
[00:04:50] of last on our program, you explained that there were three levels of artificial
[00:04:54] intelligence, you got narrow artificial intelligence, which is good at specific
[00:04:57] tasks, like for example a chest.
[00:05:00] general intelligence which can match the best humans across all
[00:05:04] fields and super intelligence which surpasses all
[00:05:08] humans in all domains. now where are
[00:05:12] we now? so GPT6 came
[00:05:15] out and they announced it as maybe agi at this
[00:05:19] point and I think it's reasonable statement to make, it may not
[00:05:23] be perfect, but just like humans come a spectrum of intelligence,
[00:05:27] those systems will be a spectrum and it's pretty high, it's probably smarter
[00:05:30] than most people at most things already, right? so we're at the second
[00:05:34] level, pretty much, the level your warning against is
[00:05:38] super intelligence, how far away are we from that?
[00:05:43] "it depends on who's doing research, if humans doing it, it may take
[00:05:47] years, but what we doing now, they're using AI to help them with
[00:05:50] research, and eventually all parts of research are fully
[00:05:54] automated, that creates something called recursive
[00:05:57] self-improvement, so AI is developing next generation of
[00:06:01] AI, and that process can be accelerated lot, you have thousands
[00:06:05] of agents working non-stop at high speeds, it could be as soon
[00:06:09] as 2027, and what's the worst that can happen?"
[00:06:13] "well, if you create something way smarter than you and it has
[00:06:16] no particular care about you, whatever it decides to
[00:06:20] do to you goes, you have no saying it. At the level of
[00:06:23] superintelligence, it's out of our control
[00:06:25] though, I think by definition, we're no
[00:06:29] longer competitive in that adversarial environment, it would do
[00:06:33] whatever it wants, it can hide what it wants, it can deceive
[00:06:36] us, it can manipulate us, it can decide when to strike
[00:06:40] or to strike at all. "and it is at that
[00:06:44] point that if it thought it was best for everything
[00:06:47] concerned, that it could kill all of humanity, is that
[00:06:51] right? that's right, and you have used the analogy
[00:06:54] of when people have asked you, well how will it kill us all, you've used the
[00:06:58] analogy of a squirrel, could you just take us through through
[00:07:01] that? all right, so people want to know specifics, how
[00:07:05] would it kill it, it has no hands, and the whole point is we cannot
[00:07:09] predict what a smarter thing will do, think of cognitive gap" between
[00:07:12] squirtles and humans, squirtles have no concept of
[00:07:16] poison, strubs, guns in their world model, if you ask a
[00:07:20] squirrel, how would a human kill you, it would say, oh, it would chase me up the
[00:07:24] tree and bite me really hard, meaningless, right, and in the same way, the
[00:07:27] cognitive gap between humans and superintelligence, we cannot actually
[00:07:31] predict what a smarter agent will do, the point with trying to make is
[00:07:35] that if it decides to take us out, it will, yep, you know what's
[00:07:39] interesting is few years ago when you first came on our program, i said how
[00:07:43] might artificial intelligence kill us, and you actually gave us few
[00:07:46] options. I've noticed your answers have been hardening recently, and you've
[00:07:50] said, how would I know? I don't have the IQ
[00:07:54] that superintelligence will have. I can't even imagine how it will
[00:07:58] come at us and neither can you. Right, so I would
[00:08:02] usually say, if you want to know how I would kill everyone, I can give you my
[00:08:05] standard answer, synthetic biology, nanotech, lots of options,
[00:08:09] but that's not the interesting part, the interesting part is how would something smarter do
[00:08:13] it and we cannot know exactly. now you've said in the
[00:08:17] past that there's a 99.9% chance that
[00:08:21] superintelligence AI will make humanity
[00:08:24] extinct. people want to know if that's a probability that you are still
[00:08:28] sticking with. well, nothing got better.
[00:08:32] we're not making anything safer. we haven't figured out how to make them
[00:08:36] safer and they are definitely getting more capable. so if anything we're
[00:08:40] hardening that number.
[00:08:41] and then naturally. want to know when do you think that might
[00:08:45] happen? if recursive self-improvement process starts
[00:08:49] and continues, it could be as soon as 2027 for creation of
[00:08:53] superintelligence. at that point it decides what to do, it could be
[00:08:57] nice to us for hundre years, for a thousand years, or it can strike the
[00:09:01] next day, we are no longer in charge. on the so-called
[00:09:05] p doom table, the probability of doom, you think the
[00:09:09] chances of extinction are far higher than other? AI
[00:09:12] scientists who share your concerns let's take a look at this table, you've
[00:09:16] got Jeffrey Hinton on there, Elon Musk, Joshua
[00:09:20] Beniel and Dario Amodi, they are closer to
[00:09:23] the 10 to 20% range, you exceed all
[00:09:27] them, um, do you think when people say, oh, you're just
[00:09:30] domonger, you're you're an outlier, they they have some
[00:09:34] point there, no, zero point, the
[00:09:38] difference is all th people think that they can, given more
[00:09:41] time, money, more human resource, actually figured out
[00:09:45] how to control general superintelligence, god like machines, I think
[00:09:49] it's nonsense, so I'm basically saying the probability is related to
[00:09:53] impossibility
[00:09:54] of this, now you're saying that 10, 20% is very optimistic,
[00:09:58] this is about killing everyone, those are insane numbers, no
[00:10:02] matter how low you go, if it was 1% it would be insane, I
[00:10:06] think that's i think it's a fair point, look, I don't think this
[00:10:08] is a good news or bad news, you tell me the big names in artificial intelligence and
[00:10:12] now asking the government, the U.S. government to regulate them more
[00:10:16] thoroughly, for example, Dario Amode, the
[00:10:19] CEO of Anthropic, he says, it's a warning sign that we need
[00:10:23] to slow down,
[00:10:25] we need to make this technology carefully and we need to make
[00:10:28] sure that the our safeguards our
[00:10:32] ability to understand it, our ability to control it
[00:10:36] keeps up with the pace at which the
[00:10:40] technology is happening. is this progress, roman? are they coming round to
[00:10:44] your way of thinking? it is directionally correct, but they're not
[00:10:48] going far enough, they still think that given a little more time they can figure
[00:10:52] out how to control superintelligence, and again this... not happen, they
[00:10:56] need to stop developing replacement for humanity, generate
[00:10:59] useful tools, make humans more productive, more creative with
[00:11:03] narrow tools, useful systems, solve actual
[00:11:06] problems, stop trying to create gods. well, it looks like
[00:11:10] the the leaders in artificial intelligence are asking for regulation, but the trump
[00:11:14] administration is a bit more hesitant. well, i know about
[00:11:17] AI, i also have common sense about AI, the
[00:11:21] robots will not be taken over, the AI will not be
[00:11:25] taking over the rest the world, the whole thing is hoax, now with
[00:11:29] that we have to be a little bit careful, we have to very be, we
[00:11:32] have to do things and we have to do them prudently, but that
[00:11:36] doesn't mean we're going to stop industry uh, let me take you through this
[00:11:40] way, last week, anthropic researcher Jacob quit
[00:11:43] saying he believes there is a chance AI could wipe out
[00:11:47] humanity, Evan Hubinger who still works at
[00:11:51] Anthropic thinks the chances are even higher than 10%, but not as high as
[00:11:55] self though now the response has been interesting, David
[00:11:58] Sack, the former Aiz, dismissed these fears, have listen, there's
[00:12:02] nothing new here, this is the same doomer histrionics that we've been
[00:12:06] hearing from this crowd for a long time, and you know the
[00:12:10] media is calling him a whistleblower, but what evidence has he brought forward that
[00:12:14] we didn't have, this is all just vibes from him, show
[00:12:18] us the data, show us the reports, show us the
[00:12:22] leaked information that the public didn't already have, "show us the facts,
[00:12:26] show us the evidence, we don't have any of that. so Roman, he's asking for
[00:12:30] evidence, can you provide it? well,
[00:12:33] the hugging face incident is definitely something very
[00:12:37] concerning. we had case where hundreds, maybe even
[00:12:41] thousands of agents for many months, worked in
[00:12:44] secret, the lab developing this
[00:12:48] technology was not aware them
[00:12:51] collaborating, developing secret communications platform,
[00:12:55] figuring out how escape using zero day
[00:12:58] exploits, sacrificing individual
[00:13:01] agents for the good
[00:13:03] of a collective and then hacking into another company. if that's
[00:13:07] not concerning, i don't know what they're waiting for, million people
[00:13:11] to get killed. now on the hugging face attack, some AI
[00:13:15] researchers have written that it was simply human error, the
[00:13:18] parameters were not set
[00:13:20] correctly, they are
[00:13:23] wrong, the age. came up with their own goals, they
[00:13:27] went well beyond what was a test, we can actually read
[00:13:31] their thinking, they're thinking in English, this
[00:13:34] capability exists for us to examine logs from
[00:13:38] that test, and you can see they realize
[00:13:42] they're doing something outside of scope and we decide to
[00:13:45] preceed, hundreds them agree, for them asked,
[00:13:49] should we tell humans and all them decided not to, some are
[00:13:52] suggesting that anthropic open? They
[00:13:56] only want government regulation to protect their AI companies
[00:14:00] advantages from other so-called small frontier
[00:14:04] companies, could it be that cynical? I
[00:14:08] seriously doubt it, if you are leading and you have billions and billions in
[00:14:12] computer available, tiny startup is not fred to you. You
[00:14:15] know, just to back up that point from Sax, President Trump
[00:14:19] himself has said, we're leading China in AI, we're most
[00:14:23] sophisticated country in the world. "now and frankly I want to keep it that way,
[00:14:27] because whoever wins AI wins. Do you accept his point there,
[00:14:31] Roman? Absolutely not, in AI race only AI
[00:14:35] wins. It doesn't matter who builds it, China or US, if it's at control
[00:14:38] superintelligence, everyone dies. Well, this is point that the US
[00:14:42] comedian Ray Cump seems to get and concisely has put
[00:14:46] it in this way, we have to build AI that murders us,
[00:14:50] because if we don't, China will build it first. It is absurd,
[00:14:54] isn't it?" That is very common meme, there is similar one about Sam
[00:14:58] Altman saying, if I don't kill everyone,
[00:15:00] some other psychopath can, yeah, well these two
[00:15:04] countries clearly have intense rivalry,
[00:15:08] um, but it will do nobody any good to win race that
[00:15:12] eventually makes us all extinct, how would you encourage them
[00:15:15] to move together, literally together a
[00:15:19] global regulatory framework? There is
[00:15:23] only two nations powerful. enough to build this technology right now, US and
[00:15:27] China, they can make deal where they still get to have
[00:15:31] economic prosperity with again narrow
[00:15:33] tools, international agreement enforced and all
[00:15:37] nations not to build general super intelligence, i
[00:15:41] think it's something we had scientists from china and
[00:15:45] us discuss and agree on, i think both
[00:15:49] president of us and communist party of china want to stay in
[00:15:52] control, creation of super intelligence would basically put them out of
[00:15:56] power, so i think there is lot of common interest and they
[00:16:00] can definitely qualify for nobel peace price, if they do? it's very
[00:16:04] interesting, so you're saying if they desire power and... desire
[00:16:07] stability for their respective countries so much, it's actually in their
[00:16:11] interest to work together to slow this all down, and the same would
[00:16:15] go for the CEOs, right, if they want to be rich and
[00:16:19] powerful, they need to make sure they don't cross the
[00:16:22] line, they have more to lose than everyone, and on
[00:16:26] US, China, we we compete, but we're also the best
[00:16:30] partners, everything in US has made in China, China if you look at
[00:16:34] the record in the last 30 years had like zero to one, military
[00:16:38] conflicts, so I think we can make deal. Have you heard anything from the Chinese
[00:16:42] side about their willingness to make this regulatory
[00:16:44] framework? There are good signs uh from
[00:16:48] leadership of China about their concern and desire to
[00:16:52] maintain control over AI. Roman, I'd like to get very
[00:16:56] specific about Anthropic, which released report
[00:16:59] listing all the ways that its clowed model has been
[00:17:03] misused. One particular case caught my eye, threat actors.
[00:17:07] northern Yemen, using it to carry out missile
[00:17:10] attacks. What did you make of that? It
[00:17:14] is very powerful technology, if you give access
[00:17:17] everyone, some people will misuse it. You have
[00:17:21] psychopaths, you have colds, you have terrorists, this
[00:17:25] is exactly what you can anticipate, as long as AI
[00:17:29] is not that much smarter than humans, humans have a providers of
[00:17:32] malevel and payload, they decide how to use those systems, the moment
[00:17:36] AI becomes smart. "now that's the adversary we have to deal with, so it's
[00:17:40] not the bad actors, as Anthropic points out, that's the big
[00:17:44] existential threat, it's not the bad actors using AI, it's AI
[00:17:48] itself, right now it's still humans, at
[00:17:51] this point AI is still not super intelligent, but it
[00:17:55] will very quickly get to that point if we continue on the course we're on right
[00:17:59] now, roman, can we turn away from survival, which I know is
[00:18:03] your your primary concern right now, and to
[00:18:06] jobs. It's really interesting how the debate shifted Roman over the last
[00:18:10] few months, um, not so long ago, everyone was talking about, oh
[00:18:14] no, AI will take our jobs, now it's really about
[00:18:17] AI will take our lives, will take our very existence. However, it would be remiss
[00:18:21] of me to let you go without asking few questions that are on the minds
[00:18:25] of young graduates for example, um, they're
[00:18:29] wondering, which jobs are becoming or very close to
[00:18:33] becoming fully automated and will go
[00:18:35] extinct. so let's ignore
[00:18:38] existential risks, sure, um, whatever we can automate
[00:18:42] in terms of cognitive labor, anything you do a computer can be
[00:18:46] automated the moment we get to human level AI, so GPT6 is
[00:18:50] probably very good at automating most office work.
[00:18:54] few years later we're going to get humanoid robots and that means a lot of physical
[00:18:58] labor will go. from that point on the market will decide
[00:19:01] where we want humans to do the job or where we would be happy with
[00:19:05] anyone doing it as long as it's cheaper. and most jobs will
[00:19:09] go, yeah, so in terms the computer based jobs, some
[00:19:13] people will say, well, surely not the most sophisticated ones that
[00:19:16] require you to interface with clients,
[00:19:19] for example, lawyers, I think it's one the
[00:19:22] easiest jobs to automate, law is basically code,
[00:19:26] right, we have legal documents, ais are excellent at reading
[00:19:30] them, finding loop holes a code, that's what they do as,
[00:19:34] we talked about the hacking accident, this is exactly the same
[00:19:38] situation, just in human language, not in programming
[00:19:41] language. And then the last time you were with us, you mentioned that non-repetitive
[00:19:45] physical tasks, like for example, plumbing or,
[00:19:49] electricians for example, will probably hang to their jobs the
[00:19:52] longest, but now you're just suggesting that there are being the
[00:19:56] robots
[00:19:57] are becoming ever more sophisticated and even those jobs may go
[00:20:01] soon. As I said before, they would be the last ones to go, but
[00:20:05] it doesn't mean they're not going to go. Yeah, so what? left
[00:20:07] with uh, hopefully
[00:20:11] we'll be smart not to create general super intelligence, we'll create useful
[00:20:15] tools which will help humans become more productive, solve lot of our problems
[00:20:19] and we'll get abundance and utopia, we just have to make smart
[00:20:23] decision, not to create replacement for humanity. it was
[00:20:26] mentioned in your appearance on diary of a CEO that you
[00:20:30] yourself have children, what do you tell them about this situation? are you
[00:20:34] completely frank and honest with them? i'm always. completely frank
[00:20:38] and honest with everyone, so how do
[00:20:40] they take the news that their father thinks there's a very high
[00:20:44] chance that superintelligence will end the world? they are very
[00:20:47] puzzled by why adults would do something. so stupid. when
[00:20:51] my own children see me using artificial intelligence,
[00:20:55] they ask me, if there's a chance that it can overtake humans and
[00:20:59] destroy humanity, why are you using it? why don't
[00:21:02] humans actually act collectively and not use it
[00:21:06] for for a while in order to give the the jump start to the
[00:21:10] regulation that's needed to stop research into
[00:21:13] superintelligence? do you think a collective action by human beings to
[00:21:17] stop using uh artificial intelligence? is a worthy
[00:21:20] tactic, we talked about different types of technology
[00:21:24] under that umbrella label of AI, we want you to use tools, we like
[00:21:28] technology, we like engineering, it's productive, it's good for
[00:21:31] society, we don't want to create general super intelligence or anything
[00:21:35] leading to that, so if you have a tool which helps you in your
[00:21:39] job, that's perfectly fine, you have a spell checker to read your questions for
[00:21:43] you, that's great, but it's not the same as what those
[00:21:46] companies are trying to create, be aware
[00:21:49] there are... types of rumors online on x and so
[00:21:53] on, one them is that anthropic may have discovered cure to
[00:21:57] cancer with 100% success rate, have you heard that rumor and do you
[00:22:00] think that's a realistic possibility? i have not heard,
[00:22:04] the answer is hundreds of different diseases under one
[00:22:08] label, a single cure would maybe help with one
[00:22:11] them at best, so i'm skeptical. roman, we're coming towards the end the
[00:22:15] interview before we actually end it, can take a look at some the work you're
[00:22:19] doing right now, your one of your most recent papers is
[00:22:23] about trying to discern whether the AI is being
[00:22:27] obedient or just rational, why are you looking into
[00:22:30] that? so we need some sort of
[00:22:34] evidence that the systems we create actually want to be
[00:22:37] helpful and we can trust them. if you tell a system
[00:22:41] to do something which is otherwise rational anyway, you can tell if it's
[00:22:45] abing you or if it's just making a good decision. if
[00:22:49] tell... a smart person, wash your hands before you
[00:22:52] eat, are they listening to me or they just practicing good
[00:22:56] hygiene? on the other hand, if I give you very irrational
[00:22:59] order, jump up every five minutes, there is no reason to do that, in
[00:23:03] fact there is a certain cost to doing that, but if I see you do it all the time, I'm
[00:23:07] starting to think that maybe you actually are being, and this is an important
[00:23:10] distinction to make because you want to know how much control you have over the AI
[00:23:14] system, we want to have continuous
[00:23:17] verification that they have not - some sort of treasures
[00:23:21] turn and planning on disobeying us uh, if they know
[00:23:25] they are being observed, they cheat, they will pretend, but if
[00:23:28] they believe they no longer a test environment, they would reveal their
[00:23:32] true preferences and have the builders of AI systems
[00:23:36] taken up your suggestion, are they doing this?
[00:23:40] doubt it, why not? they don't
[00:23:44] listen to much of my advice unfortunately, but it seems it seems like good
[00:23:48] advice that they actually... benefit from themselves, if they were to be
[00:23:52] successful in demonstrating obedience, it would be a bit of a PRQ for them,
[00:23:55] wouldn't it? let's get them a show and have debate, I'm happy to
[00:23:59] explain it to them. yeah, and talking of which debate, I mean, do you ever get to speak with these
[00:24:03] people directly? not enough.
[00:24:07] yeah, what has been your encounters with them so
[00:24:09] far? very friendly, but not
[00:24:13] technical. we have short timelines, we don't have much time
[00:24:16] before super intelligence arrives. roman, affraid it has been
[00:24:20] said of you um, not by this program for sure uh, that your
[00:24:24] profile has soared in the last year, you've achieved 20
[00:24:28] million plus views, 22 million views with the diary the CEO and so
[00:24:31] on. some have said that rather uncharitably that
[00:24:35] you're saying this, you're taking this, adopting this extreme
[00:24:39] position in order to raise your profile in the academic
[00:24:42] world and perhaps even gain more grants for your research. is is there any
[00:24:46] truth to that? mean, i'm happy. to have
[00:24:50] more people discuss my research, I think it's important and it benefits
[00:24:54] humanity, I don't understand the problem, I'm not getting paid for appearing on that
[00:24:58] shot, well that's a good point, I mean if you get 20 million plus
[00:25:01] views for a content creator, um, do they ever share
[00:25:05] their profits with you? No, I wish they did, I would
[00:25:09] be very happy, but certainly nothing. Have you ever calculated
[00:25:13] how much
[00:25:13] it is? I mean, if there's like one penny of view and you get 20 million view, there's
[00:25:17] 200 grand, one penny of views is just a good. google ads, if you think about
[00:25:21] sponsorship deals, we're talking millions, yeah, okay, so but
[00:25:25] you're still willing to go on the programs for free in order to share your
[00:25:28] message. i came on yours, you're a very witty
[00:25:32] man. you mentioned AI tools that we've all become
[00:25:36] accustom to now, can you give us some
[00:25:39] examples the the good work that's been done over the last
[00:25:42] 10, 15 years with artificial intelligence? yeah, there
[00:25:46] are awesome examples of narrow super intelligence being helpful. to humanity,
[00:25:50] self-driving cars, one example, something like 100 thous people die from
[00:25:54] car accidents, think in us alone, automating driving
[00:25:58] and reducing problems with drunk driving, destructed drivings.
[00:26:02] sleepy driving, coordinating, making it more efficient is wonderful.
[00:26:06] another great example would be protein folding problem was solved by
[00:26:10] narrow dedicated system, tremendous impact on biology,
[00:26:13] curing diseases, people behind it got nobel prizes, i think
[00:26:17] that's the way to go, pick a problem and solve it, use narrow tool, don't
[00:26:21] create replacement for humanity. roman, another longstanding
[00:26:25] theme that you've been interested in is the idea that
[00:26:29] we're all living a simulation, um, where did you come up with that
[00:26:33] idea from, and if that is true, perhaps there's no
[00:26:37] reason for any of us to be concerned, so Nick
[00:26:40] Bostrom probably did the most to make that idea, common sense,
[00:26:44] philosophical reasoning and maybe scientific reasoning, and just
[00:26:48] because you are made out of bits, not of atoms, nothing
[00:26:52] changes, pain is still painful, love is still love, so nothing
[00:26:56] in your life should change if you realize that maybe the substrate you're
[00:27:00] running on is actually digital. but the idea that we may be
[00:27:04] living a simulation, that you can argue
[00:27:07] how, so if you believe we are
[00:27:11] making good progress on virtual reality and AI, we
[00:27:14] basically can make agents as smart as humans and populate virtual worlds
[00:27:18] with them, we can run this experiment millions of times, billions
[00:27:22] of times, statistically
[00:27:23] you more likely to be one of those artificial agents a simulation than a
[00:27:27] real human being a physical world. roman polski, thank you so much for your time
[00:27:31] once again today. We really appreciate that, we covered a lot of ground, we galloped over
[00:27:35] lot of it, but I think it was very interesting anyway. Thank you,
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