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[00:00:15] You're of watching TRT World, I'm Jafar Hasan, the
[00:00:17] headlines: Iran has laid out what it
[00:00:21] wants from the US before the restart of any negotiations on ending
[00:00:24] their standoff and the conflict
[00:00:27] in threatening the region, security chief mosin. He says seven
[00:00:30] conditions have been delivered via Qatar as President Trump prepares to
[00:00:34] meet Gulf leaders on the sidelines
[00:00:36] of the UN General Assembly in New York next
[00:00:38] week. The Saudi led Coalition says it
[00:00:42] has intercepted a hoouti ballistic missile targeting Riyadh and stopped a wider
[00:00:46] attack on several Saudi cities. But the huti say their
[00:00:50] missile and drones hit sensitive sights in the capital and
[00:00:53] of aramku facility in Yanbu causing large
[00:00:55] fires. An Israeli strike against the
[00:00:59] civil. vehicle in Gaza City has killed at least one person. This race the death
[00:01:03] toll on Saturday alone to five people killed in other attacks
[00:01:07] in Jabulia, and Gaza City. It is the
[00:01:10] latest Israeli violation to the seasfire signed with Hamas in October last
[00:01:14] year. Dozens of Israelis have
[00:01:18] intruded into the Alamas compound in occupied East Jerusalem
[00:01:21] under the protection of Israeli
[00:01:25] of police. Some of those who made it inside performed Jewish prayers
[00:01:28] and religious. in the courtyards. Palestinian officials
[00:01:32] warned that the growing number of such actions are part of attempt to change
[00:01:36] the status
[00:01:37] of the holy site and control access to the
[00:01:39] area. English music star at Sheron has
[00:01:43] apologized for how he has handled the controversy over the dropping of American
[00:01:47] rappermore from his US tour.
[00:01:50] He was removed after stadium owners objected to comments to pro palestinian
[00:01:54] comments he made a stage during a performance in New
[00:01:58] Jersey. Sheren blamed the tour. promoter for the
[00:02:00] move, but this week the
[00:02:04] criticism was about something much more important and I've had to take
[00:02:08] uh and make difficult decisions and I am making mistakes and I'm
[00:02:12] so so sorry. huge
[00:02:16] wave of Ukrainian drones have been launched at Russia in one
[00:02:19] of the biggest attacks
[00:02:19] of the years so far, more than 440,
[00:02:23] 50 rather targeted Moscow where at least two people were killed in the
[00:02:27] strikes and apartment blocks and oil refined. was also hit in the early morning
[00:02:31] attacks causing several large fires.
[00:02:33] a Ukrainian drones also hit a bus and harson in the Russian control region of Ukraine killing
[00:02:37] two people, one
[00:02:38] of them an election official. The news continues here on
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[00:02:42] World.
[00:02:54] India hosts the latest brick summit bringing together Russia and Iran two
[00:02:58] countries at war with key US. allies: New Delhi's also
[00:03:02] balancing ties with competing
[00:03:03] of powers as new alliances emerge around it. So how is the
[00:03:07] world's most populist nation navigating in increasingly
[00:03:11] unstable and multipolar world? I'll break it all down here on
[00:03:14] straight
[00:03:18] a talk.
[00:03:28] of
[00:03:33] Hello and welcome to Straight Talk, I'm Yusuf Arem. The Brick Summit in New
[00:03:37] Delhi brought together some
[00:03:38] of the world's biggest emerging
[00:03:40] of powers of a time of growing
[00:03:41] in global uncertainty. With the war in Iran dividing members,
[00:03:45] leaders managed to agree a joint declaration calling for maximum
[00:03:49] restraint and
[00:03:50] a diplomatic solution to end the conflict. This largely
[00:03:54] reflects India's own position. New Delhi has called for calm
[00:03:57] and dialogue while trying to maintain. ties with Iran, Israel
[00:04:01] and its Gulf partners. India is taking a similar
[00:04:05] independent approach to Ukraine. Prime Minister Narendra
[00:04:08] Modi recently told Vladimir Putin the war must end for
[00:04:12] humanity sake. Throughout the conflict, India is maintained close
[00:04:16] economic ties with Moscow and remains a major buyer of
[00:04:19] Russian oil. But another regional shift is being watched more
[00:04:23] cautious. Turkia, Saudi Arabia and India's rival
[00:04:27] Pakistan have formed the Mecca Defense Alliance. New Delhi
[00:04:31] says it's examining the Pact's implications for its national
[00:04:34] security, as conflicts reshape old alliances and new
[00:04:38] centers of power emerge, how will India navigate
[00:04:41] increasingly multipolar world? Formore, joining me
[00:04:45] now from Washington DC is Amatav Acharya. He's a
[00:04:48] distinguished professor of international relations at the American
[00:04:52] University in Washington DC. Professor, good to have you back.
[00:04:56] It's been quite a while and lots happened, so there's a lot to talk about.
[00:05:00] but
[00:05:00] a I want
[00:05:01] of to start off with the bricks summit being held in New
[00:05:04] Delhi, when you look at the comments coming out from the
[00:05:07] summit, what catches your eye, what's interesting, what should we
[00:05:11] be following? the mean if i can summit
[00:05:15] up in one
[00:05:16] sentence that
[00:05:20] moderation the bricks bricks position is much more
[00:05:24] moderate thanks to India's leadership
[00:05:28] than what many people expected so slightly
[00:05:31] elaborate this many people take the look at the
[00:05:35] bricks in extreme some people
[00:05:39] think some analys think it's kind of anti
[00:05:42] western alliance and it is going to challenge the
[00:05:46] current world order, others see
[00:05:49] bricks as important, powerless, too much, too much
[00:05:53] division within the
[00:05:55] breaks, and
[00:05:58] when the summit was going to happen
[00:06:01] in India, before that, if you look at the commentary, there was kind of very polarized
[00:06:04] view the bricks, but what happened is
[00:06:08] actually that it turned out to be somewhere in the middle,
[00:06:12] "the bricks of course did not make anything, did not
[00:06:16] propose anything, that
[00:06:17] is really going to be immediately consequential, on the
[00:06:21] other hand, they reached a consensus, there was a brick
[00:06:25] declaration and it tells the world that despite the
[00:06:28] diversity is possible for the emerging
[00:06:32] powers to reach broad consensus on the broad
[00:06:35] goals and it's not totally therefore a talk
[00:06:39] shop either and we will see" " how this
[00:06:43] pants out in the long term, there were interesting proposals from
[00:06:47] China about AI and the AI
[00:06:51] governance which could become very consequential and there were
[00:06:54] also from the Indian side
[00:06:58] to mediation, the ability to produce a
[00:07:01] consensus with Iran and
[00:07:04] UAE and India, that was
[00:07:07] consequential and also the without naming the
[00:07:11] United States. "the
[00:07:13] statement talked
[00:07:16] about unilateral sanctions
[00:07:19] and unilateralism in
[00:07:23] rejecting basically unilateral sanctions and and
[00:07:26] also trade restrictions, rejecting
[00:07:30] it outright, that that's also very
[00:07:33] important, because that's means that they are not tandering
[00:07:37] to the US position without putting the US on the spot,
[00:07:41] so I think it was kind of a..." generally
[00:07:44] moderate bricks summit and
[00:07:48] rather than falling into either extreme of bricks being
[00:07:51] ineffective and inconsequential or bricks becoming the most
[00:07:55] powerful force in
[00:07:57] the in the world order and changing everything. when we look at the
[00:08:00] build up to these brick summits, always feel like there's
[00:08:04] this expectation that a groundbreaking decision or
[00:08:08] major step is going to be taken and the...
[00:08:13] bricks doesn't seem to deliver that groundbreaking step. I mean, for
[00:08:16] example, talk of a bricks currency or a
[00:08:20] real viable financial system in place
[00:08:24] for money transfers. I
[00:08:25] i know we have some other alternative systems, but nothing
[00:08:29] that can be considered reserved currency or a direct
[00:08:33] competitor to swift or or something
[00:08:37] where you have this unified approach to pushing back against
[00:08:41] American tariffs or what? not, why are we not
[00:08:44] seeing that one massive step being taken by
[00:08:48] the bricks? are they still intimidated by the US? is the us still the
[00:08:52] unipolar power? are we still a unipolar world or
[00:08:56] what's that missing
[00:08:57] ingredient? so first of
[00:09:01] all, did not have great expectations of
[00:09:05] bricks. what you might have heard at rate is lot
[00:09:08] of luge talk and...
[00:09:12] "you know people, I'm not just talking about the media, I'm talking
[00:09:16] about also analysts who just go by
[00:09:20] the moment and think of bricks
[00:09:23] either very powerful or totally useless and I
[00:09:27] didn't have lot of expectations, I
[00:09:31] actually thought bricks will come out someher in the middle,
[00:09:35] there was some there was no expectation, there was some kind
[00:09:39] of reduced expectation at least of reconciliation.
[00:09:43] between say Iran or UAE to produce a
[00:09:47] actual agreement, but that was surprising that it came through, although the
[00:09:50] language is pretty broad and ambiguous, but
[00:09:54] I didn't think will
[00:09:57] produce alternative currency at least at this
[00:10:01] point of time, and
[00:10:04] also responding more directly to the
[00:10:08] question you ask whether bricks are
[00:10:11] intimidated. some them are, there's no
[00:10:15] question, and I think India has to take that into account, I don't call
[00:10:19] intimidation or calculation, that why antagonize the
[00:10:22] US, for what gain? "if there is a
[00:10:26] bricks currency, India is not going to be major player, it
[00:10:30] will be basically China, and Indian might, Indians might
[00:10:34] have calculated that creating something like that
[00:10:37] will make China more powerful, and that's what the intra
[00:10:40] brick rivalry comes into play, but
[00:10:44] also if there is going to be an alternative
[00:10:46] to the US dollar, it will start in a very diffuse way,
[00:10:50] meaning that a currency national and
[00:10:54] by" currency agreements and slowly building up to
[00:10:58] some regional exchange, regional currency
[00:11:02] system, some of that is already happening and
[00:11:05] also moving funds
[00:11:09] away from the US, the
[00:11:12] US dollar deposits trying to make
[00:11:16] payments for oil in other currencies which is already
[00:11:19] happening, so those things have to be in place to
[00:11:23] much great. better extent before we
[00:11:27] have
[00:11:27] a currency, so the
[00:11:31] dramatic step of creating a single currency in one act, it
[00:11:35] doesn't really happen in international relations, unless there is major war, total
[00:11:39] breakdown, we are not there yet, there are some expectations that the
[00:11:43] United States will get back to being bit of a more normal
[00:11:47] country after President Trump is out the scene
[00:11:50] and people are also hedging their bet, so...
[00:11:55] so that's that's what basically is happening, don't expect the
[00:11:58] bricks to change the world overnight, but there is
[00:12:02] also definitely a move towards
[00:12:04] creating alternative
[00:12:08] alternative paradigm to the US led world order over a period of
[00:12:12] time in evolutionary way. okay, so the summit season
[00:12:16] is almost over, mean in the past two months we've had the NATO
[00:12:19] summit, the G20, Shanghai cooperation
[00:12:23] organization, the brick. and culminating next week with
[00:12:27] everybody getting together at UNGA, when you look
[00:12:31] at G20 and NATO on one side, the
[00:12:34] traditional western uh get togethers let's
[00:12:38] say, and well that's the west, I guess we can call the other
[00:12:41] to the rest, the SCO and the Bricks, do you see a
[00:12:45] just position between what's being talked about, what's
[00:12:49] high on the agenda, the way member
[00:12:52] states uh from these alliances are... talking and having
[00:12:56] dialogue with each other, and if there is difference between
[00:12:59] them, what's driving that? well, first of all, let's start with the
[00:13:03] west, i think the west is unraveling, mean that's i've been writing
[00:13:07] about this in my recent articles in foreign
[00:13:11] policy and and other places, the west is
[00:13:14] unraveling, what is the west when us and Canada
[00:13:18] as a major trade war and psychological war
[00:13:22] and intimidation, canada is the founding mamer of.
[00:13:25] and is also the target of target of some the most hostile
[00:13:29] foreign policy by the United States, then there is Denmark,
[00:13:33] another founding member of NATO and is threatened
[00:13:36] with by the US by Trump to you
[00:13:40] take away Greenland,
[00:13:44] so the European leaders including Germany
[00:13:48] and the European commission leaders have already said the West
[00:13:52] is past, the idea the west doesn't exist.
[00:13:55] now I'm not saying it will disappear as a cultural
[00:13:58] force, but it was an artificial construct,
[00:14:02] the idea the west built during the cold war because the cold
[00:14:06] war, and now it's unraveling, so what happens to the
[00:14:09] institutions? I think you can make very brave face about
[00:14:13] NATO, but NATO is not going to be the same as it was
[00:14:17] before, and the Europeans and
[00:14:19] Americans are not going to be in sync about
[00:14:23] NATO's purpose, after Trump, it's not all going to
[00:14:26] disappear, it will take some effort to rebuild NATO, but whether
[00:14:30] it should be rebuild in a era where the world order is
[00:14:34] changing and power is diffusing, is open to question
[00:14:38] about G20, the G20 is a more of umbrella
[00:14:42] organization, so it's the one thing we have where the western
[00:14:45] countries and the non-western countries sit as
[00:14:48] equal. bricks is basically doesn't
[00:14:52] include any western countries, but it does include is friendly to the
[00:14:55] west, mean you can say that you know
[00:14:59] broadly speaking, the Indonesians, the Egyptians and
[00:15:03] not anti western, so but you
[00:15:07] have also the major western powers, the
[00:15:11] G20 and the bricks are in some ways, the
[00:15:15] G20 is a more inclusive organization, in some ways that that
[00:15:19] was a bigger hope for global governance, but bricks
[00:15:22] are more like a pressure group. a little more of club
[00:15:26] of non-western powers including Russia, and they
[00:15:30] may have a anti-western teams to it. I think both will
[00:15:34] stay, there will be no competition between them. "the
[00:15:37] brits will continue to act as a pressure group without really having
[00:15:41] a lot of consequence in the immediate term, in the long term they
[00:15:45] might. the G20 will continue because it's the one place
[00:15:49] where outside the UN, the
[00:15:52] innow western and non-western countries sit together, and then the UN
[00:15:56] is not going to disappear either, but the UN will have to is going to elect a new
[00:16:00] secretary general very soon or choose new secretary general and the
[00:16:04] event direction '