TRTWORLD — The Newsmakers 20261011 013000 UTC 486 transcript segments Google Speech-to-Text API Automatic Transcription (Chirp) Data courtesy of The GDELT Project (https://www.gdeltproject.org/), from the Internet Archive TV News Archive. Machine transcription. Treat it as a searchable index of what was broadcast, not a verbatim quotation record. [00:00:00] three years after the October 7th attacks on Israel, human [00:00:03] tragedy continues to unfold in Gaza, while one year of [00:00:07] so-called ceasefire, delivers ever larger [00:00:11] of occupation, plus, elections in Brazil push Latin America's biggest country [00:00:15] ever closer to President Trump. We'll have that and much more on our [00:00:19] newsmaker's week in review. [00:00:22] of Defying the polls, Brazil's far right Flavio Bolsonaro took the lead [00:00:26] in a first round vote, but with more than 30 million abstention. [00:00:30] the second [00:00:30] me round could still be up for grabs. three [00:00:34] years since the October 7th attacks on Israel, Gaza remains [00:00:38] under siege. with almost the entire population internally displaced [00:00:42] aid workers say Israel is asphixiating the [00:00:45] territory and trapping people within its yellow [00:00:49] of [00:00:49] of line. and one year after US spacked ceasefire was implemented in [00:00:53] Gaza, is there any real peace to speak [00:00:56] of. I'm Andrea Sanki, and this is the newsmaker. [00:01:00] We can [00:01:00] review, [00:01:17] last Sunday, more Brazilians refuse to vote than [00:01:20] in any other election since 1998. [00:01:22] of That says a lot since voting is mandatory, so it's obvious that [00:01:26] millions don't want to support any candidate, but... like it or not, they're [00:01:30] now stuck with choosing between two polar opposite platforms. [00:01:34] now the polls had indicated that the left would prevail and that the far [00:01:38] right's tactic to lean [00:01:40] of into President Trump and alleged foreign influence would ultimately [00:01:43] of costted votes. it didn't, and now the one thing that could change the [00:01:47] second round outcome are those 30 million voters who [00:01:50] abstained. here's a [00:01:52] of look. brazil's 2026 election didn't [00:01:56] produce [00:01:56] of of an outright winner, but it did produce a surprise. [00:02:00] result, right-wing candidate [00:02:02] of Flavio Bolsonaro came out in front, beating left-wing [00:02:07] a incumbent Louis Nasio de Silva or Lula by slim [00:02:10] margin. The two now head to second round [00:02:14] a vote on October 25. I am [00:02:18] genuinely very happy with the result we have just seen here. Nearly [00:02:22] 56 million Brazilian men and women have given us this fort [00:02:26] of confidence for change. The word is change. [00:02:31] of opinion polls ahead [00:02:34] of the election had predicted [00:02:36] in tight race that would move to second round, but had [00:02:39] generally favored de silva to come out in front in [00:02:43] a crowded field of 12 [00:02:45] candidates, the result is [00:02:48] unexpected, we never get everything we want, though must admit that [00:02:52] was convinced i was going to win on the first round. in [00:02:55] brazil, voting is mandatory for [00:02:58] of all literate citizens but between the age of 18 and 70 [00:03:02] and voluntary for those older than 70. Unlike [00:03:05] trends in most other western [00:03:08] of democracies, older voters and senior citizens in Brazil tend to [00:03:12] skew heavily to the left, and polling suggests [00:03:16] they favor Lula for creating social safety nets, [00:03:20] but this election has [00:03:21] of created a noteworthy wave of voter apathy, and both [00:03:25] De Silva and Bolsonaro now face something uncommon in [00:03:29] most democracies. [00:03:30] has trying already to mobilize and motivate the [00:03:33] senior vote, brazil now presents its citizens a [00:03:37] stark choice between two very different men and two [00:03:41] very different served [00:03:43] who as president for three non-consecutive [00:03:46] terms. he is widely credited as bolstering social [00:03:50] programs, lifting millions out of poverty and encouraging [00:03:54] young people to stay in education longer, but [00:03:57] critics point to not enough done. crime or to improve [00:04:01] the costs of living fast enough. For many, Flavio [00:04:05] Bolsonaro's toughest stance on tackling crime, cutting taxes [00:04:09] and a more [00:04:10] of liberalized and less regulated economic agenda, hold [00:04:14] broad appeal. Will Lula manage to [00:04:18] convert the momentum of [00:04:20] in incumbency of into an outright win or will Bolsonaro [00:04:24] transform the energy of a surprise first round [00:04:27] victory into [00:04:28] of a right-wing resergeant. For the largest country in [00:04:32] Latin America, the results won't just affect [00:04:35] Brazil, but the wider region and the [00:04:39] world. Now, we can't [00:04:41] of predict exactly what will happen over the next two weeks, but most [00:04:45] a calculate that the supporters of smaller candidates who lost in the first round, [00:04:49] will hand their vote to Flavio Bolsonaro. I asked the executive [00:04:53] director [00:04:53] of the Stone Center for Latin [00:04:55] of American studies at Two Lane University, Anthony Pereira, if it's that [00:04:58] simple. It's not quite that simple, I think there are voters for [00:05:02] Ranan Santos for [00:05:03] of example, and and Kuuri who could end up voting for Lula [00:05:06] of rather than Flavio, but it's a very uphill battle, as [00:05:10] of far as I know, and and the Brazilians... can correct me if I'm wrong about [00:05:14] this, since the 1989 election, no candidate [00:05:17] has come second in the first round and won the second [00:05:21] round, [00:05:23] I would expect that lot these voters who voted for the minor [00:05:26] candidates will migrate to Flavio, and you can see in the [00:05:30] bankadas, the new the new Congress, how strong the [00:05:34] right-wing parties are, so I think it would take some [00:05:37] big change in perceptions for Flavio not to win in [00:05:41] the second round. "let ask Leonardo then, because i assume [00:05:45] this this result was a surprise outcome for you, as it as it was for your [00:05:49] president, so what are you reading into this [00:05:53] result, what went wrong in Lula's campaign? [00:05:56] well, I'm not sure that something went wrong with [00:06:00] campaign. I think that there that there was a [00:06:03] tendency uh, that expressed [00:06:06] itself a little bit harder than the [00:06:09] president assumed, but for..." [00:06:12] instance - managerized the state [00:06:16] where I'm speaking from and a state that is [00:06:19] considered the very true vote every [00:06:22] president since 2002 one in [00:06:26] min the election in order to be [00:06:30] president and Lula came short 5% [00:06:33] here but the fact the matter is Lula has had [00:06:37] problems here in Depete had problems here in [00:06:41] 2018. and Lula has had problems [00:06:44] into 2022, for you [00:06:48] just to have an idea if we look into the [00:06:52] vote the three largest cities, San Paulo Rio [00:06:56] and Bellizonci, Bellizonci was the worst [00:06:59] performance of Lula uh yesterday, [00:07:03] Lula won in the city of São Paulo and came [00:07:07] short 3% the vote in the city of [00:07:10] Rio, we're not speaking about. states, we speaking about [00:07:14] cities, so Lula had a problem in [00:07:18] Belluzont in min, real was the [00:07:22] biggest surprise in terms of polls, why? [00:07:26] because the last polls on Saturday, they [00:07:30] forecast the candidate that Lula was [00:07:33] supporting with the nine point [00:07:36] points lead, and he lost for approximately [00:07:40] seven points, so this... a 16 point difference that [00:07:44] is really surprising, but then we [00:07:48] we need to look into the areas controlled by militias [00:07:52] and organized crime in Rio that might explain [00:07:56] this change that the poles could not [00:08:00] see, so Lula's campaign right [00:08:03] now needs to go for those who are for [00:08:07] Lula and did not [00:08:08] vote. [00:08:14] "Well, it's been three years since one horrific tragedy in [00:08:18] Israel led to another, when the October 7th attack sparked a [00:08:22] genocidal war. Before that day, Gaza had been under Israeli [00:08:26] occupation, considered an open-air prison by the United [00:08:29] Nations, and most agreed something would eventually have to [00:08:33] give. Over the last three years, we've seen what reaching that inevitable [00:08:37] tipping point has meant, aside from the unfathomable loss of life [00:08:41] and mass destruction. Gozans are being squeezed into ever [00:08:45] smaller space and left ever more dependent aid for [00:08:49] basic survival. Here's a look now at the human tragedy, [00:08:52] that is Gaza. October 7 began with [00:08:56] attack Israel weren't prepared for and an [00:08:59] onslot a scale, Gaza could not [00:09:02] escape. Hamas fighters killed around [00:09:05] 1200 people and took 251 [00:09:08] hostages. Israel began bombing gaza with an [00:09:12] hours three years later, Israeli [00:09:16] attacks have killed more than 74,000 [00:09:18] Palestinians, roughly one in every 30 people who [00:09:22] lived in Gaza before the war. Around 80% of [00:09:26] Gaza's structures are damaged or destroyed, and [00:09:30] almost the entire population has been [00:09:32] displaced. Almost half the population [00:09:36] survives on less than 6 liters of water a day, less than [00:09:40] a third the emergency minimum. All hospitals have been [00:09:44] damaged, only some are operating, non at full [00:09:47] capacity, as shortages of medicines, equipments and [00:09:51] fuel restrict [00:09:52] treatment. There is [00:09:56] major humanitarian crisis in the Gaza strip amit a tight [00:10:00] Israeli siige, limited entry of humanitarian [00:10:03] aid, medical supplies and food supplies, [00:10:07] and near total destruction of infrastructure. Children are [00:10:11] not going to school in. said they are [00:10:13] in the destroyed streets trying to find water, [00:10:17] and for children, another measure the war is [00:10:20] time. nearly every school has been damaged or [00:10:23] destroyed. Hundreds of thousands of children have now [00:10:27] missed almost three years of regular classroom [00:10:30] education. The seasfire was meant to bring the war to an [00:10:33] end almost a year ago, but more than [00:10:37] 1400 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli [00:10:40] forces since it took effect. Israeli military [00:10:44] control and access restrictions now cover roughly two-thirds [00:10:48] of Gaza, leaving more than 2 million Palestinians [00:10:51] concentrated into what remains. and [00:10:55] as Palestinians are squeezed into less of Gaza, very different [00:10:59] vision for the territory is gaining ground on Israel's fire [00:11:03] right. Israel's national security minister Itamar [00:11:06] benguir is already campaigning a very different future for [00:11:10] Gaza, one built around what he calls the voluntary [00:11:14] emigration of most of its palestinian population. [00:11:18] the idea is gaining wider attraction among the countries far [00:11:21] right. we want settlement. [00:11:34] Wherever we have settlements, there is security. For [00:11:37] Palestinians still there, even securing enough food remains [00:11:41] uncertain, more than half the population faces acute [00:11:44] hunger with humanitarian agencies warning that the [00:11:48] aid entring Gaza remains [00:11:50] insufficient. [00:11:54] My baby daughter. died of malnutrition because there was no baby [00:11:57] formula, her name is a list that no one looks at, they are [00:12:01] just names and numbers, we are just [00:12:04] numbers. October 7 began an offensive, [00:12:07] Israel set was aimed at Hamas. Three years later, [00:12:11] tens of thousands of Palestinians have been killed, [00:12:15] families torn apart and much the infrastructure that [00:12:19] sustained daily life destroyed. Most the population [00:12:22] remains displaced, israel. attacks continue despite a [00:12:26] seas fire, much the territory remains under Israeli military [00:12:30] control or restrictions, and Gaza is already [00:12:34] living through the aftermath of war, it has yet to see [00:12:37] end. so there has been some sort of progress and [00:12:41] acknowledging the atrocities committed against Gaza, mostly through [00:12:45] public opinion, but also at official levels. more western countries [00:12:49] have agreed to recognize the Palestinian state, and some have finally [00:12:53] taken action against illegal Israel settlements. I asked [00:12:56] Palestinian activist Hudaifa Ahmad whether he's been [00:12:59] impressed by the change attitude. I [00:13:03] wouldn't say I was impressed with anything [00:13:07] with regard to the change of attitude. Palestinians have paid a horrific price over the last three [00:13:11] years, and [00:13:12] so I'm very, very careful with how I talk about what has changed in the last three [00:13:16] years, but if we wanted to accurately assess where we are [00:13:20] so far, as I feel the ramifications the Domino [00:13:23] Effect have yet to... fully materialize, I think we need to see [00:13:27] where Israel stood on October 6th, [00:13:31] 2023. Israel was advancing regional normalization, the [00:13:34] occupation continued, settlements continued expanding, veza remained [00:13:38] blockaded, and the international [00:13:42] community thought that this trajectory could be [00:13:45] managed indefinitely while Israel normalized its position in the region, and [00:13:49] Palestine receeded further into the background, and October 7th [00:13:53] shattered that equilibrium. and when you look at where we are [00:13:56] today, across 36 countries surved by pew this year a median of [00:14:00] roughly two-thirds show Israel unf [00:14:03] unfavorably now um countries that had resisted recognizing [00:14:07] palestine for decades including uh Britain, France, Canada, [00:14:10] Australia, now recognize the Palestinian state, [00:14:14] still what has yet to happen, [00:14:18] we're still uh seeing unfold um this position where [00:14:22] everyone's trying to play some sort of middle ground. between [00:14:25] what has happened to Palestinians with regard to this genocide and the state that has carried it [00:14:29] out is quite frankly untenable and things are going to get more [00:14:33] and more precarious as governments and [00:14:37] officials continue to try to play this untenable middle [00:14:41] line up there's you know the the [00:14:45] progress and i put that in quotes because some people refuse to call [00:14:49] it progress at all um but the fact that there has been some [00:14:53] recognition of atocities committed and the fact that [00:14:57] many [00:14:58] have have said this is genocide by definition, it hasn't equated [00:15:02] to action on the ground, and it really seems as as [00:15:06] Romy especially was describing, and you had alluded to few [00:15:09] Israelis feel their military is doing [00:15:13] anything other than defending Israel, so [00:15:17] how can the escalation and suffering really [00:15:21] be stopped? it's a very good question. [00:15:25] and I'm not sure I have a great answer, I mean the obvious answer [00:15:29] is that there has to be serious international pressure and [00:15:33] action, and obviously that hasn't [00:15:36] come so... "you know, we can continue to call for it, [00:15:39] but if it doesn't come, then what, what else can we do? um, so that's a [00:15:43] challenge to anybody who's trying to recommend serious [00:15:47] policy change, and and [00:15:49] what is the theory of change for Israeli behavior, um, [00:15:53] but I do think that we shouldn't underestimate the fact [00:15:57] that the some the actions, for [00:16:00] example, the UK, not the ban on trade with settlements, but [00:16:04] for example, the threat to institutions..." banks, [00:16:08] construction companies, if that does go through, that is [00:16:12] something that would be, would have an [00:16:15] impact on the Israeli setlement enterprise, it would have to be [00:16:18] comprehensive, it would have [00:16:20] to be consistent, but I don't think that we should underestimate that [00:16:23] we're in going [00:16:24] in that direction, and part the paradox or the [00:16:28] kind of irony of this election on October 27th [00:16:31] in Israel is that both the coalition and the [00:16:34] opposition are very much on the right, [00:16:37] and I don't... expect a huge change even if Netanyahu is pushed [00:16:41] out, but if Netanyahu remains, I think [00:16:44] that will push for international pressure even more, and it [00:16:48] would be, I mean, we've seen a lot of things happen [00:16:52] that we can't believe the international community didn't take more action, [00:16:56] but I think that that would mean that that there would have to be much more [00:17:00] severe action, whereas if new government is in, I [00:17:03] think similar to the cease fire in Gaza, that would suddenly lower the... [00:17:08] the the flames of pressure and you could have a [00:17:11] counterproductive effect, [00:17:12] basically. [00:17:19] well, this weekend marks one year since the US backed Gaza peace [00:17:23] plan was introduced, and many are questioning if there is anything to [00:17:27] show for it. Israel is still firing, killing more than [00:17:30] 1,400 people since the ceasefire took hold, and Hamas [00:17:34] has yet to disarm. contradicting President Trump and August, the Israeli [00:17:38] prime minister actually said he rejects the proposal and [00:17:41] outright refuses to withdraw. Meanwhile, reconstruction plan, [00:17:45] spearheaded by Trump's board of peace, has now been whitled down to [00:17:49] a small pilot camp near Raffa. Here's closer look now at what the [00:17:53] 20 point peace plan has actually [00:17:55] delivered. A year ago, there was [00:17:59] finally some hope that the war between Israel and Hamas [00:18:03] was over. A US-Backed ceasefire was announced alongside. [00:18:08] the formation the board of peace, new [00:18:11] international organization to promote peace building [00:18:14] around the world. with us president donald [00:18:18] trump self-appointed as the board's president for [00:18:21] life, his gaza peace plan promised to transform [00:18:25] gaza, but one year on that [00:18:28] transformation exists on paper only. [00:18:32] we are extremely worried with the situation [00:18:35] that is taking place. of all we recognize the [00:18:38] efforts, namely of Mr. Mladenov, in [00:18:42] order to advance the two stages the [00:18:46] peace plan that was [00:18:47] elaborated, and it is [00:18:51] clear that Israel as [00:18:54] not accepting the [00:18:57] implementation the peace plan as it is conceived [00:19:00] now, and at the same time we go on having strikes [00:19:04] in Gaza, and we go on having [00:19:37] To sum up, no one is victorious in this war. On the [00:19:41] Israeli front, Hamas is still present in Gaza. It remains [00:19:45] a de facto government and continues to oversee the security [00:19:49] situation in the Gaza strip. On Hamas front, Israel has [00:19:52] occupied approximately 70% the Gaza strip. [00:19:56] Assassinated senior Hamas leaders destroyed Gaza's [00:19:59] infrastructure and killed thousands of civilians [00:20:02] and the [00:20:05] technocratic. governing body appointed [00:20:09] to oversee and govern gaza has not been able to [00:20:13] enter gaza, nor the proposed international [00:20:17] stabilization force. on the 23rd of september, [00:20:21] the board of peace announced six-month [00:20:24] 2.5 billion dollar [00:20:26] plan to begin rebuilding gaza, though officials [00:20:29] acknowledged it may not be implemented as Israel and [00:20:33] hamas remain at odds over a US-backed. by a [00:20:37] plan, our goal is to get through the next stage of [00:20:41] actually moving from planning implementation, and of course our discussions [00:20:45] with Israel right now are not easy because the elections there [00:20:49] everything. is a little bit more emotional, a little bit more [00:20:52] politically sensitive. A year on, more than 1,400 [00:20:56] Palestinians have been killed since the October [00:21:00] 2025 ceasefire, according to Gaza Health [00:21:03] Authorities, and more than 1.2 [00:21:07] million still face acute hunger, when attempting to [00:21:11] point out concrete, tangible achievements made by the board of [00:21:15] peace in Gaza today, it's difficult to point [00:21:18] to anything. the ground at [00:21:21] all, so [00:21:25] according to US officials, the peace plan is working, but [00:21:28] Hamas has not handed over its weapons and Israel publicly [00:21:32] announced it rejects the plan and will not withdraw, so [00:21:36] what is the measure of progress? I put that first to president the US Middle [00:21:39] East Project, Daniel Levy. well, I think [00:21:43] you said something very important just now, Andrea, because I do think it is working [00:21:47] on American Israeli terms. doing precisely [00:21:51] what it was intended to do, it got the Israeli hostages out, it took [00:21:55] international attention away, we're told there's a cease fire, doesn't [00:21:59] matter that 1400 Palestinians have been killed subsequently because their [00:22:03] lives we have been shown for the last three years and for decades preceeding that in [00:22:07] other ways uh do not have the same value uh it [00:22:10] has done important things as far as the US and Israel would be [00:22:14] concerned in terms of sidelining the United Nations, it [00:22:18] is United Nations [00:22:22] Security Council Resolution 2803, which was about [00:22:25] getting the ceasefire in place, that created the board of [00:22:29] peace and gave it the institutional imprimateur the [00:22:33] United Nations, so this has been a very important step in undermining international [00:22:37] law, undermining the UN, a privatizing and putting [00:22:41] for profit, which is something we're very used to with this administration, attempts to do [00:22:45] that at least, the provision of services, the plans for reconstruction, [00:22:49] it has made. sure that there can be no accepted palestinian governance, [00:22:53] so a series of metrics that makes [00:22:56] sense for us complicity an [00:23:00] Israeli plan to continue a zero some [00:23:03] eradicationist policy towards the palestinians, the last year has been a great [00:23:07] success, and and Zaha, Washington is insisting [00:23:11] again, it's it's plan and the board of peace, they've [00:23:15] said this, they will work and they are working [00:23:19] according to the... [00:23:20] in the spirit of commercial diplomacy, so [00:23:24] that if they build for development and economic opportunities, [00:23:28] somehow everyone will be pragmatic, they'll they'll [00:23:32] forget the recent as well as the historic past [00:23:35] grievances, and they'll move forward. could that ever be [00:23:39] true? this is new phrase [00:23:43] for me, commercial diplomacy, mean what it looks [00:23:46] like is a grab. [00:23:50] by President Trump and a group of [00:23:54] billionaires that he's a massed around him to [00:23:57] capitalize on the destruction of Gaza and [00:24:01] create some sort of riviera as as he once [00:24:05] referred to it in in the strip and to be honest with you [00:24:09] the one thing that is moving forward it's not relief and reconstruction uh [00:24:12] to support Palestinians and to rebuild their [00:24:16] their homes [00:24:17] their communities what is moving forward are [00:24:21] plans for the confiscation of Palestinian [00:24:23] land. There are documents being drafted about [00:24:27] how to seize private property in Gaza as we [00:24:31] speak. Um, the board of peace in one of [00:24:34] its three unpublished [00:24:38] resolutions that have been reported on by the [00:24:41] Guardian, has [00:24:45] um indicated that public facilities, public property, [00:24:49] all of it... will be, [00:24:50] you know, could be seized by the board of peace, that's [00:24:54] that's around 35% of Gaza, the rest is [00:24:58] private property, and all the development plans, [00:25:02] this master plan that we've seen [00:25:05] touded by Jared Kushner at Davos [00:25:09] and in Washington at the US Institute for [00:25:12] peace, um, these require the mass [00:25:15] displacement of Palestinians, they require [00:25:19] ' Palestinians being hurded up and set into [00:25:23] smaller enclaves, while the strip gets [00:25:27] redeveloped for investors and for business [00:25:30] interests, all the assets of Gaza, the [00:25:34] land, the the gas reserves, all the [00:25:38] assets are to be swooped up into a [00:25:41] trust that will become uh at the [00:25:44] end the uh [00:25:47] uh the UN Security Council resolutions. expert date [00:25:51] for for uh its endorsement the board of peace, at the end of [00:25:54] that it will be basically Trump's private property [00:25:58] in in this trust that he's creating so... [00:26:02] Commercial diplomacy is euphemism, I would [00:26:05] say, what it is is grand [00:26:08] theft, and there you have the best of our newsmakers for [00:26:12] this week. Thanks so much for being with us and remember to follow us on social [00:26:16] media and do be sure to subscribe to our YouTube channel. I'm Andrea [00:26:19] Sanki, we'll see you next [00:26:21] week. [00:26:50] Intuitive, inclusive, informative [00:26:53] from the [00:26:55] TRTworld.com, [00:26:58] a global conversation where everyone has a voice. [00:27:03] that can make an impact, no [00:27:07] matter who, no matter where, social media connects [00:27:10] us all, oh my god, on newsf we [00:27:14] look at the world through the prism of social [00:27:17] media, right, [00:27:20] intelligent, informs and [00:27:22] entertains, know what's happening in the palm of your [00:27:26] hands, newsfeed on TRT [00:27:30] World. [00:28:13] Beyond the game on TRT [00:28:15] World. 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