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[00:02:58] On this episode of Insider. America, we ask, has
[00:03:02] the US forgotten Gaza? I've
[00:03:05] followed politics here
[00:03:07] of for 40 years, it's never been like it is today in
[00:03:11] terms of American public opinion. A shift has already happened, when his
[00:03:14] promise during the campaign, I'm going to fix this on day one, has he delivered on
[00:03:18] of that? He did not delivered on
[00:03:19] that, of course, exactly, his promise, but he just has, he didn't renig on his
[00:03:23] promise, he just fulfilled
[00:03:27] of the facility, has the Trump administration of achieved something that previous administrations have been unable to achieve, I think. They have, which is what?
[00:03:31] I think they have established the basis for a state for
[00:03:34] Palestinian people. Hello and welcome to the show, I'm
[00:03:38] Selena Downs and
[00:03:39] of today I'm joined by the Democratic strategist Richard Gidsten and the political writer
[00:03:43] Peter. In moment, we'll be debating whether
[00:03:47] America has forgotten Gaza. Donald Trump's
[00:03:50] peace plan has stalled and the Iran war has diverted lot of
[00:03:54] political and media attention, but polls show
[00:03:58] historic levels of public support. for
[00:04:01] of Palestinians. I put this to Robert Mally, a Middle East expert who served
[00:04:05] under Presidents Clinton, Obama, and Biden, he's also
[00:04:09] co-author of Tomorrow is Yesterday, a book about the
[00:04:12] pursuit of peace between Israel and
[00:04:15] Palestine. One
[00:04:17] of the paradoxes of everything that's happened from October 7th onwards is
[00:04:21] that militarily
[00:04:22] of Israel has sold been more dominant, more capable of
[00:04:26] projecting its power than that, but it's more capable than.
[00:04:30] It's been in the past, politically, in terms of its international reputation, it is really
[00:04:34] had such a
[00:04:34] in low standing in its history, particularly
[00:04:36] in the US, I'll come back to it. I think you could reverse the case that the
[00:04:40] Palestinian cause has rarely been
[00:04:44] of as universally not endorsed, but at least
[00:04:47] as strong university as it is today, the Palestine National movement has
[00:04:51] rarely been as weak as it is today, and that's the paradox that we're living
[00:04:55] through, now I've followed politics here for
[00:04:59] 40 years. um, it's never been like
[00:05:02] it is today in terms
[00:05:03] in of American public opinion, the shift in the younger generation is
[00:05:07] unprecedented, the poll numbers are
[00:05:10] incontrovertible, I mean that's the of all the change if you want to look for one
[00:05:14] change that should bring hope to those who are
[00:05:17] still longing for a peaceful settlement,
[00:05:20] self-determination for the palestine people, the shifting in public opinion
[00:05:24] here, which is yet to fully manifest itself at the political
[00:05:28] estation, but you're already seeing, look at the debates among political
[00:05:31] candidates on the democratic side, it's who's going to accept money from apac and who's not going
[00:05:35] to accept money from apac, is conditioning aid aid
[00:05:39] to to Israel or military sales to Israel has become a
[00:06:12] think is the right answer, given the political earthquake that
[00:06:16] has shaken the public opinion. so why the
[00:06:20] disconnect between the public opinion uh
[00:06:24] and the policy making? there's always been a lag. the
[00:06:27] question now is whether that lag is going to be very quickly filled, but
[00:06:31] because we're seeing such mobilization in the democratic base. mean
[00:06:34] the elections here in new york, mayor mamdani, we'll see what happens to the senator
[00:06:38] elections in michigan, another true bellweather barometer. the state
[00:06:42] of political opinion a shift has already happened and the
[00:06:46] rhetoric of of candidates and political leaders has already
[00:06:49] changed. the question is, and I'm talking about the democratic side, the question is, how
[00:06:53] far will that go, and how quickly will, if ever the political
[00:06:57] establishments catch up with where their bases. why do you take such
[00:07:01] a cynical view the two-state solution? listen, it's been
[00:07:04] i was part the cynical industry, if you will, the industry
[00:07:08] that was a pretend industry. it's been how many decades now?
[00:07:12] that we have one American leader and often European leaders saying our
[00:07:16] priority is to get two-state solution, we want two-state solution, and while
[00:07:20] they were saying those things, everything on the ground was moving in the
[00:07:24] opposite direction. it became the argument that US and other leaders used to
[00:07:27] say, oh, let's not mobilize uh, the
[00:07:31] boy, let's not allow boycots, let's not allow the palestinis to go
[00:07:35] to international institutions, to go to the ICC, to go to the ICJ, to
[00:07:39] declare their own state, because all of that, is
[00:07:43] going to interfere with this process which is supposed to lead to two-state
[00:07:46] solution, which was not leading anywhere at all, and I'm not against two-state
[00:07:50] solution, but describe to me how we're going to get from here to there
[00:07:54] and how you're going to overcome the obstacles that you were unable to to overcome a time when they
[00:07:58] were much lower, much
[00:08:00] less uh uh much less of an obstacle
[00:08:04] to two solution than they are today, so if you have that plan, if you have that road
[00:08:07] map, feel free to describe it, but otherwise what you're saying is
[00:08:11] just words. but so is it the framework that's a failure or is it
[00:08:15] that the framework was allowed to fail? was it the lack of political will behind it? was it
[00:08:19] passivity? listen a minimum,
[00:08:22] so the most elemental explanation
[00:08:25] is the status quo, continue
[00:08:28] occupation, or even worse the entrancement the occupation has served Israeli
[00:08:32] interest. if there's no pushback, if there's no price for them to pay,
[00:08:36] if it's a cost-free occupation, if the palestinian authority is trying to take care
[00:08:40] of security more or less. 'if the west is and Arab world
[00:08:44] is paying for the occupation, if nobody is taking any action
[00:08:47] against Israel, why should Israel change course? mean it really is for me
[00:08:51] the blame, mean Israel has made its choice, it's an understandable choice, we
[00:08:55] could we could lament it, but it's a choice that makes sense from their
[00:08:59] perspective, right? and the united states has been complicit in that, there's always been an asymmetry
[00:09:03] about question,
[00:09:03] the question is why the us, why europe and why others have
[00:09:06] not put match the their actions with their words, they say they want
[00:09:10] two-state solution, which is not where the events'. were leading and they were not
[00:09:13] prepared to make Israel pay any price
[00:09:17] for uh
[00:09:18] the the course it was on. if the United States wanted to truly compel
[00:09:22] Israel um to comply
[00:09:24] with UN resolutions on
[00:09:25] the 1967 borders on East Jerusalem, it could. it
[00:09:29] is possible if the US had shown greater symmetry in its
[00:09:33] pressure, greater understanding the political realities on both
[00:09:36] sides. it was at least possible that you could have had two-state outcome, whether
[00:09:40] it would have been a solution, how long it would have lasted that? different question, but you certainly were not
[00:09:44] going to get there if you're not prepared to put any pressure, if you're prepared to be, as you
[00:09:48] say, complicit in Israeli actions, if you are taking steps
[00:09:52] to prevent the Palestinians from organizing in other ways, preventing other countries,
[00:09:56] whether the Arab or European from playing role or undermining palestinian
[00:10:00] leadership and then turning around
[00:10:01] the leadership, making sure that other country could play a role in
[00:10:05] this process, then by definition it was going to, it was bound
[00:10:09] to fail, again whether they could have succeeded with different That's
[00:10:13] an open question,
[00:10:14] but today given how far we are from where
[00:10:16] we were before, I think everything has to be rethought, the
[00:10:20] objective, who are the parties at the negotiating table, because we need parties that
[00:10:24] have real presentation, real legitimacy, real credibility with their
[00:10:28] considerance whether the palestin or is ready, who the mediators are going to be, is it just
[00:10:32] the United States, should Arab countries come in? I mean, all that at this point, because
[00:10:36] as I said, we're so far from any outcome, any solution that's agreed to by the two
[00:10:39] sides, why not take the time to put everything on the
[00:10:43] table and to ask the fundamental questions that we basically have not answered since
[00:10:47] 1993, we've we've been in
[00:10:49] this one way path, this peace process, which led us
[00:10:53] not just to an impass. it led to October 7th and to Israely
[00:10:57] offsaw that followed? I mean, one thing, another thing that has come out
[00:11:00] of uh the events of October 7 is the Gaza border
[00:11:04] peace and President Trump's
[00:11:08] plan for for peace in Gaza. Um, I'm interested to
[00:11:11] get your thoughts on that.
[00:11:13] I mean, currently obviously it has stall between phases. There
[00:11:16] continues to be a symmetry there as well, because there are, demands on
[00:11:20] Hamas to disarm, Hamas says it won't disarm until Israel withdraws, Israel
[00:11:24] says. that won't withdraw until the plan
[00:11:28] itself is ice saw, it is, outrageous in its
[00:11:31] asymmetry, mean it is demanding that one side pay amens for the
[00:11:35] masker of october 7th without asking the israelis to
[00:11:39] do anything in to pay for what the
[00:11:42] massacers, the the on what a number of international
[00:11:46] jurists have now called a genocide, but no accountability for them, accountability for the
[00:11:50] Palestinians, the palestinians have to reeducate themselves and and
[00:11:54] and reform. themselves no reform is ass the palace the the
[00:11:57] Israelis, it basically enshrines and validates continued Israeli
[00:12:01] occupation of at least 50% of gaza,
[00:12:05] etc. etc. so i could go through chapter and verse of how this
[00:12:09] plan was you know a a
[00:12:13] fundamentally flawed biased plan that did not
[00:12:17] in any way um reflect palestine interest,
[00:12:20] palestine need, palestine interest and and and palestine rights, but
[00:12:25] did one thing which the byden administration was had been unable to do, which is to reach a cease
[00:12:28] fire, and even though people would
[00:12:32] question what kind of ceasefire it is when palestines are being killed every day, it
[00:12:36] was better than at the height the onslot that Israel was
[00:12:40] waiting, so you got to give that much credit at all if anything to
[00:12:44] um to the Trump administration for having achieved in and for having put some
[00:12:47] pressure, some pressure on Israel to to agree to that, but since then what
[00:12:51] have we seen, and what we've seen basically is attempt.
[00:12:55] to reduce the palestine question to humanitarian question, can we
[00:12:59] make their lives a little bit better, can we get a little more humanitarian goods
[00:13:03] in, but the the political question of palestine
[00:13:07] is the attempt is to bury it right, and there's no
[00:13:11] recognition that it's a political problem, that the what's happening in Gaza is a
[00:13:15] political decision, what's happening
[00:13:16] in the west bank is a political decision, and that there are political aspirations that are being
[00:13:20] completely trampled as we speak. Robin Mally, thank you for talking to
[00:13:24] TRT. Thank you, we also talked to
[00:13:28] Palestinians in Gaza about this, do they feel forgotten by
[00:13:32] America? They are exploiting
[00:13:36] the crisis in Gaza, because no one is standing with us
[00:13:39] and Gaza means nothing to America, we
[00:13:43] were just a card used to help Trump in the election,
[00:13:47] nothing more. America is the sponsor the war
[00:13:51] on Gaza and one the main supporters providing the weapons used. kill
[00:13:55] children, women and the elderly, and to completely destroy
[00:13:59] Gaza. It is doing this to serve its own interests and external
[00:14:03] agendas and the interest of those seeking to bring an end to
[00:14:06] Gaza. America acts in its own interests,
[00:14:10] yet when Trump came to power, the war stopped, but his
[00:14:14] entire policy is in Israel's interest, not ours.
[00:14:17] America is in the region only to protect Israel, nothing
[00:14:21] more. It claims that
[00:14:24] it is helping us. providing aid and standing with us, but
[00:14:28] no, they have not kept their promises, perhaps it is
[00:14:32] because of other political considerations, such as the war with Iran
[00:14:35] or
[00:14:36] their other wars in the middle east, I don't know, there are policies
[00:14:40] and agendas that no one really can
[00:14:42] understand,
[00:14:47] forgotten us completely, look at the
[00:14:49] America has crossings, they're all closed, there's no life here, no food aid, and no drinking
[00:14:53] water, there is a blocade. and every day people are being killed
[00:14:57] and bombed, just last night two buildings were bombed, how long is
[00:15:00] this going to continue? this is our life now, america is not thinking about
[00:15:04] us, it forgot about us and look at the
[00:15:08] situation the people in gaza, everyone is living in tent
[00:15:12] and we are heading into winter while the war is still
[00:15:15] ongoing. israel is carrying out
[00:15:18] strikes, they say there is sess fire, but i don't
[00:15:22] see any fire. So onto
[00:15:26] today's debate, with me is the Democratic strategist Richard Goodsteen, a
[00:15:30] former advisor to the Clintons,
[00:15:32] and Peter Roff, a contributing editor and columnist at Newsweek. Welcome to you
[00:15:36] both. Thank you. um, Peter, if I can start with you,
[00:15:40] has the US uh forgotten Gaza, has the Iran
[00:15:44] war shifted the focus the administration?
[00:15:47] uh, forgotten Gaza, just because it's off the front
[00:15:51] page doesn't mean it's forgotten, but in America we
[00:15:55] have tendency to confuse the urgent with the important, and right
[00:15:58] now uh, Iran, straight of horm,
[00:16:02] uh, red sea exits for Saudi Oil, and the
[00:16:05] elections all seem more... urgent and worthy of
[00:16:09] coverage than Gaza. Richard,
[00:16:11] do you agree? So I would say it's kind of one hand on the other.
[00:16:15] Remember, Donald Trump said he was going to solve the war in Gaza on day
[00:16:18] one. So here we are, these many years,
[00:16:22] almost two years after his presidency started, doesn't seem like a real
[00:16:26] solution is at hand whatsoever. On the other
[00:16:30] hand, within democratic politics for sure, and I think
[00:16:33] increasingly more in republican politics this notion of where do...
[00:16:37] stand, what's the solution? i think those are actually going to be fairly front
[00:16:41] burner as the 2028 presidential election starts, so i
[00:16:45] think it's it's not really um off the, it's off
[00:16:49] the front burner now, it will be, think a front burner issue, i would say
[00:16:53] six months
[00:16:54] from now, peter, president trump's uh gaza peace plan
[00:16:57] appears to have stalled, we're finding um
[00:17:00] there was a lot of public discourse,
[00:17:02] there are a lot of high-level meetings being held here in the aftermath
[00:17:06] of october. seven, but it seems now that the peace process has
[00:17:10] stalled, humanitarian assistance uh appears to be
[00:17:13] severely severely restricted. um, how
[00:17:17] is the administration going to navigate this path forward for Gaza? well, fortunately, I
[00:17:21] think the administration has the support the other countries that signed the
[00:17:25] document. uh, they're closer, they're more
[00:17:28] neutral, uh, they're better able to observe, and I think they will be
[00:17:32] expressing their opinion, but I'm not sure at all that the process has
[00:17:35] stalled. um, "it was going to be difficult, there were
[00:17:39] going to be fits and starts, there's still the issue of disarming hamas to be
[00:17:43] dealt with, and until Himas is is is dissolved and
[00:17:47] disarmed, or disarmed and dissolved will probably be the way it will
[00:17:51] have to work, um, I'm not sure you can fully get to the
[00:17:54] vision of what's um, what the peace plan
[00:17:58] laid out, uh, which is the best thing for all Palestinians, and
[00:18:02] it's important to remember that Hamas doesn't represent all the Palestinian
[00:18:06] people. I mean, spoke to Robert Mali about this, there is asymmetry
[00:18:10] in the way that Hermas is being asked to disarm and uh
[00:18:13] demilitarize, give up its we weapons, but there is no pressure on the
[00:18:17] Israeli side
[00:18:18] to do so. Correct, look, I think remember there was this whole
[00:18:22] board of peace, the all these countries that paid big money
[00:18:25] into one Trump organization after another, and signed
[00:18:29] something that proported to be some commitment to
[00:18:32] whatever. I will say, speaking for myself, I thought that was always
[00:18:36] fantasy, um, this... notion that they were going to get Hamas to
[00:18:40] disarm when their whole purpose was to
[00:18:44] basically uh eradicate Israel as a Jewish state
[00:18:47] seem preposterous until they have something that
[00:18:51] feels like a commitment to two-state solution um I
[00:18:55] I I just think and I don't think the Palestinians have that
[00:18:59] certainly Hamas doesn't I don't think Israel does either you
[00:19:03] certainly don't hear that from President Trump or his administration anymore I mean
[00:19:07] we have. seen an incredible change in public discourse here, um,
[00:19:11] we have seen an outporing of support for Gaza, for the state of
[00:19:15] Palestine, we have seen recognition the state of Palestine coming from
[00:19:18] 150 plus countries now, just how has that shifted in
[00:19:22] the United States, is that unprecedented in in terms of what you have seen over
[00:19:26] the decades? I mean, it's certainly new, I mean, if you would pull people decades ago
[00:19:30] between their support for Israel versus Palestine, such as it
[00:19:34] was, it would be fairly imbalanced in favor of Israel. That's now
[00:19:38] shifted, and honestly I fault the Netanyahu government
[00:19:41] for so overplaying its hand, after October 7th,
[00:19:45] there was
[00:19:46] so much sympathy for Israel, from that
[00:19:50] point on, and the fact that the response has been what it's
[00:19:53] been, it would almost take work for Israel to be as discredited
[00:19:57] worldwise as it is by virtue of how Netanyahu
[00:20:01] was kind of totally botch things, so again I think this will be a
[00:20:04] big factor in the democratic. nomination
[00:20:08] process, i think that
[00:20:11] whoever's going to be the ultimate winner of that process is going to be somebody who's going to
[00:20:15] have to speak to the interest of those who want
[00:20:19] a palestinian state without walking away from Israel,
[00:20:23] which is fine line to walk, but i think it's walkable, but it's going to
[00:20:26] take
[00:20:27] some some deft kind of politics. how much of
[00:20:30] influence do you think gaza is having on the mid-terms? do you
[00:20:34] think that democrats and republicans having to navigate? shifted public
[00:20:38] discourse uh, i think it's having a huge influence a couple of
[00:20:41] races, couple of marqui races like the senate race
[00:20:45] uh in Michigan, but I do think what this does is sets
[00:20:49] up an... opportunity
[00:20:50] for the Republican Party to broaden its appeal to um the
[00:20:54] Jewish American electorate uh, which frankly doesn't vote on
[00:20:58] Israel, if you're if you're an American voter who votes on
[00:21:02] Israel, you're probably already republican. if you're republican
[00:21:06] voter who votes on social and economic issues, you've been voting with the
[00:21:09] liberal party, but now that the liberal
[00:21:13] party, the democrats are being
[00:21:17] uh, i don't know what the right word is, taken over over. run uh the influence
[00:21:21] of people who support Hamas and the Palestinians is increasing among the
[00:21:25] party that's a fantasy look if you watch Fox News if you watch right
[00:21:29] white right-wing sources you think that somehow these democratic
[00:21:32] socialists these hamos sympathizers and so forth are taking over the democratic party
[00:21:36] because that's what you want to think you can't accept the fact that with
[00:21:40] very very very
[00:21:43] except here's
[00:21:47] the answer to that Peter um the... the squad,
[00:21:50] Aoc, Bernie, they have yet to flip a single seat
[00:21:54] ever from red to blue. They've never gotten seat going from Republican
[00:21:58] Democrat, the the moderates, the new democrats have done that to
[00:22:01] fairly well dozens and dozens and dozens of times, the the the
[00:22:05] new democratic caucus in Congress is is the largest
[00:22:09] congress, it's the largest caucus among House Democrats, the squad is
[00:22:13] minuscule, so
[00:22:15] I think they're flipping blue seats, they're flipping their own
[00:22:18] seats, the... they're engaged in the cleansing the democratic
[00:22:22] party, no, these they're going from from blue to kobalt blue,
[00:22:25] great, congratulations, but they're not doing anything to make the democrats a
[00:22:29] stronger, more kind of dominant party in congress and I think
[00:22:32] everybody other than Bernie and AOC realizes that, but at the moment I
[00:22:36] don't think they care, I think what they care about is purifying the party, we
[00:22:40] watch the Republicans go through this in the 80s and 90s with the with
[00:22:44] the um inculcation of Christian conservative
[00:22:47] activists who insisted that the Republican party become officially the
[00:22:51] pro-life party in the abortion debate, and they were flipping red
[00:22:54] seats, they were flipping red seats in red states to change the nature
[00:22:58] the base in congress so they could go out and win national elections, and I
[00:23:02] think that's this is phase one of what the Democrats are doing, and that once they've
[00:23:06] locked in the socialist positions, and they've locked in the foreign policy
[00:23:10] positions that say
[00:23:11] we are pro- palestine, we are anti-Israel, uh,
[00:23:15] that
[00:23:15] it is going to change the direction the party, the platform the party and...
[00:23:20] going to change the American electorate? yeah, the reason i would strongly disagree with that is the
[00:23:23] following: imagine in Israel where Netanyahu is not in charge,
[00:23:27] imagine in United States were Trump's not in charge. imagine we had a
[00:23:31] Bill Clinton and a Shamon Perez or a Yidsak
[00:23:35] Rabin, what this antipathy that we now see, and it's
[00:23:38] i agree, it's real for Israel,
[00:23:42] that changes because Netanyahu is so mismanaged
[00:23:46] things and Trump has so sucked up to him and vice versa. do you think that?
[00:23:50] administration has gaza strategy to know it's all talk they
[00:23:53] look, i think they do do a couple different things, they send people who
[00:23:57] were not steeped in diplomacy, trump
[00:24:01] son-in-law, jared kushner, his buddy steve witkof to negotiate all the things whether it's
[00:24:05] Russian Ukraine and guys, they're making no headway with any of that stuff, okay so
[00:24:09] they sent the C team, not not even the a or b
[00:24:12] team um and then they kind of hoped
[00:24:15] that they can just bamboozle people and talk, they said were professional
[00:24:18] negotiators, guys know how to do deals,
[00:24:22] diplomats don't know how to do deals, diplomats know how to what they shown peter,
[00:24:26] wait tell me if you think when his promise during the campaign, i'm going to fix
[00:24:30] this on day one, has he delivered on that? he did not deliver on that, of course exactly cuuse he's got
[00:24:34] these these in, but he also hasn't cut a bad deal, he hasn't let the diplomats
[00:24:38] cut a bad deal like
[00:24:39] on his promise but he just has, he didn't renig on his promise, he just failed to fulfill it,
[00:24:43] and politicians, remember if you like your healthcare you can keep it,
[00:24:47] politicians fail to keep their promises all the time. "We accept that, that's part the
[00:24:51] American political dynamics. Remember, read your lips, we accept that, but
[00:24:55] he sent real negotiators, hard nose guys who know how to cut deals.
[00:24:59] Has the Trump administration achieved something that previous administrations have been
[00:25:03] unable to achieve? I think they have, which is what? I think
[00:25:07] they have established the basis for a state, for Palestinian
[00:25:11] people, that no president has been able to do before that. The two-state
[00:25:14] solution was nice idea created by diplomats. I think it's dead arrival,
[00:25:18] I think we ought to stop talking." about it, I think it's a multi-state solution, I
[00:25:22] think the west bank may become its own country, it may become several countries,
[00:25:26] they will eventually have a place that they will
[00:25:28] be able to call home, but it's not going to be something that we decide
[00:25:32] for them, it's going to be something that they decide for themselves, the two state
[00:25:36] solution fail because the framework was a failure or because the
[00:25:40] process or the political will behind it was a failure, I think because the framework a
[00:25:44] failure, you you can't have one country divided by another country,
[00:25:48] and you were either going to have palestine.
[00:26:02] basically killing and and terrorizing locals,
[00:26:06] Palestinians, is atrocious. I, I, I think that
[00:26:10] to a certain a large extent, the reason that there are so many people in the US
[00:26:13] who who are now siting with the
[00:26:16] Palestinians, is less about Gaza, and more about what they're
[00:26:20] seeing in the West Bank, and I think the fact
[00:26:24] that Trump has green lighted uh Netanyahu building
[00:26:28] all these settlements, is horrible, and is making matters worse, it's going
[00:26:32] to make it... the ability to deliver, I think that I think that, I'm sorry, I think
[00:26:35] that's a drop a bucket, I think that the biggest change has been the way
[00:26:39] Israel's prosecution of its defense after it was attacked by
[00:26:43] Hamas was covered, um, the Palestinian said
[00:26:46] genocide, and the New York Times said, okay, well a UN commission
[00:26:49] also
[00:26:50] has concluded it was genocide, and once
[00:26:54] again
[00:26:55] the UN proves doesn't what it's talking about, and it's useless. um, moving on, I want to know,
[00:26:59] do you think this will continue to be a partisan wed in US?
[00:27:02] politics uh, the Israel palestine conflict,
[00:27:06] um, you mentioned looking ahead to the 2028 election, we
[00:27:10] talked about obviously the midterms, do you think this will continue to be a
[00:27:14] partisan divide? we saw um, we saw recently
[00:27:17] house democrats tried to um prevent
[00:27:21] the weapons and the aid going to Israel, about
[00:27:25] 100 house democrats, more
[00:27:26] than 100 house democrats, one republican voted to do that, it
[00:27:30] obviously failed, when can we
[00:27:32] see the... United States stop sending weapons assistance to
[00:27:35] Israel? I think that the United States is committed
[00:27:39] to Israel being a Jewish state and being able to defend
[00:27:43] itself. I i don't, I think that's fairly unshakable. So
[00:27:47] do I think will we stop giving them as opposed to selling them
[00:27:50] weapons?
[00:27:51] I don't think we're going to see a day where that stops. However, they're going to get
[00:27:55] help the United Israel's going to get help from the United States,
[00:27:59] but here's how it's going to play out, if the populist wing in either party. "the
[00:28:03] JD Vance wing in the Republican Party or the Bernie Sanders Aoc wing in the
[00:28:07] Republican Party wins the White House after 2028. I think the
[00:28:10] US relationship with Israel changes fundamentally and perhaps
[00:28:14] irreparably. Um, there's a lot of anti-Israeli
[00:28:18] sentiment in both of those wings of both parties. It
[00:28:21] it, it, it's more dominant and sometimes on the right, it's more dominant,
[00:28:25] sometimes on the left, but it's it's there, and unfortunately it's always going to be
[00:28:29] there, just like it's there in every country around the world."
[00:28:32] Okay, thank you to you both, Peter Rof, Richard Goodsteen, always appreciate
[00:28:36] you to coming in, it's great to hear your views and thank you for watching,
[00:28:40] join us next time for the next episode of Inside
[00:28:43] America.
[00:29:08] "I heard the stories the pains of how people were tortured in these places,
[00:29:12] I never believed it until I saw, and when I saw I couldn't unsee
[00:29:16] it. It's so important for people to
[00:29:18] understand colonization in order to understand what's happening in the
[00:29:22] world, and here in
[00:29:24] in in Palestine, it's, it's happening
[00:29:27] now, so how does the world
[00:29:31] completely turn the?"
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