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[00:00:09] Hello, of you're watching TRT World. I'm Emily Angwin. Here's a reminder of
[00:00:13] our top stories: at least 12 people have been killed and more than
[00:00:17] 300 injured an
[00:00:19] of attack on the King Colored International Airport in Riad. Saudi
[00:00:22] Arabia has blamed the Anseralla Huthi group in neighboring
[00:00:26] of Yemen. They have been launching attacks on Rehad in recent weeks. but have yet to claim
[00:00:31] of responsibility for this strike. Pakistan's prime minister Shahbas Sharif who
[00:00:35] joined Turkey in signing the Mecca defense pact in August is calling it
[00:00:39] of a heinous attack. Donald Trump is weighing up a US
[00:00:43] response. I think it's
[00:00:46] terrible. Well you're going to find out,
[00:00:49] see,
[00:00:50] but I think it's
[00:00:51] terrible.
[00:00:55] in Well, they're able to defend. Look, the Saudis are good fighters,
[00:00:59] but I think... "the attack was terrible thing. A state of
[00:01:03] emergency has been imposed in the Pakistan
[00:01:06] of province of Kaiba Pactunqua. The government has also
[00:01:09] of replaced of the a provincial head with a state-appointed governor. The
[00:01:13] province is in the stronghold
[00:01:17] of of of the PTI party of jailed former Prime Minister Imran Khan. The
[00:01:19] in move comes after days of protest by Khan supporters who had
[00:01:23] wanted to march on the capital. The Polish
[00:01:27] government has held emergency meeting and mid reports the..." Prime minister and his
[00:01:30] deputy with the target of assassination plot. Senior
[00:01:34] ministers, police and security officials are in discussions in
[00:01:38] Warsaw. Police say they received information on Saturday about a
[00:01:42] possible attack
[00:01:43] of on Donald Tusk and his deputy, who was also the
[00:01:46] defense minister. Donald Trump says it's time for
[00:01:50] a Ukraine to get new president. It follows criticism from his
[00:01:54] Ukrainian counterpart a US diesel deal with
[00:01:57] Russia. the move weak and warned it will
[00:02:01] only
[00:02:02] in help Russia's war. The deal is expected to lead to the
[00:02:05] immediate release of more than 300,000 tons of Russian
[00:02:09] diesel with more to come in the months
[00:02:11] ahead. In India, the cockroach protest
[00:02:15] movement leader
[00:02:16] of Abijit Dipki has been released from detention with two other
[00:02:20] senior leaders on
[00:02:21] in Sunday. They were arrested
[00:02:23] of the previous day along with thousands of others who talked to the streets calling for the
[00:02:27] resignation
[00:02:28] of the country's election team. Chief.
[00:02:32] All
[00:02:32] of right, that's all the news for
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[00:03:12] of We should not be normalizing
[00:03:16] genocide and normalizing the
[00:03:19] of impunity for terrible acts of war crimes. Former
[00:03:22] Irish president Mary Robinson on the need to hold Israel to
[00:03:26] account. We should stop all arms transfer.
[00:03:30] that ate the occupation and target those ministers who
[00:03:34] are abusing
[00:03:35] their office by racist language, it's quite shocking, and why
[00:03:39] there should be more women in power? one
[00:03:42] of the problems we have is so much male
[00:03:45] leadership, not all of it bad, but too much of it
[00:03:48] bad.
[00:03:50] of hello, welcome to the program. today we focus on the
[00:03:54] growing crisis of confidence in the international system, from
[00:03:57] climate injustice to the genocide. in Gaza. Few
[00:04:01] people have spoken as consistently and forcefully about these issues
[00:04:05] as Mary Robinson. I first met her 30 years ago when she was
[00:04:09] Ireland's first woman president and widely tipped to become the
[00:04:13] first female secretary general
[00:04:14] of the United Nations. In the subsequent decades she's held top
[00:04:18] positions including UN High Commissioner for Human Rights. She's been
[00:04:22] particularly outspoken about the crimes being committed against
[00:04:25] of Palestinians. In 2025 she went to the Rafa Crossing on Egypt's
[00:04:29] border. at Gaza, representing the elders, the group of former
[00:04:33] of leaders founded by
[00:04:34] of Nelson
[00:04:34] of Mandela. She saw firsthand how Israel was delaying aid
[00:04:38] trucks meant to take
[00:04:39] of humanitarian supplies into
[00:04:41] of
[00:04:41] of Gaza. This July she visited the occupied West Bank. On her
[00:04:45] return, she warned, quote, the government of Israeli prime minister
[00:04:49] of Benjamin Netanyahu aims to make Palestine disappear
[00:04:52] physically, economically, culturally and politically. Joining us
[00:04:56] now, is Mary
[00:04:58] in Robinson. Mary Robinson, it's good to see
[00:05:01] you again, thank you so much for being with us. Thank you, it's nice to see
[00:05:05] you. You've been at the United Nations, meeting with world
[00:05:09] leaders, warning about what is happening around the world. but more
[00:05:12] particularly what is happening in the West Bank in Gaza to the
[00:05:16] Palestinian people and their land. What concerns you the
[00:05:20] most from what you saw recently on your trip?
[00:05:24] What concerns me and it concerned Helen Clark with me was
[00:05:28] what we saw on our visit in July. I had been
[00:05:32] there with Banki Moon in July
[00:05:35] 20-23 just few months before the terrible
[00:05:38] attacks the 7th of October and we said
[00:05:42] situation then was unacceptable and
[00:05:45] unsustainable and we really warned that what was happening in the west bank was
[00:05:49] terrible, but what also happening in Gaza was utterly
[00:05:52] unacceptable, it is so much worse now, we didn't get into
[00:05:56] Gaza obviously, that wasn't possible, but we heard from lot of
[00:06:00] people how the people of Gaza are literally squeezed
[00:06:04] a much smaller area, and if they move out of it, they're shot,
[00:06:07] and any case they're not safe because there's no cease fire in practice, they're
[00:06:11] killed every day. and
[00:06:15] there's a humanitarian crisis and the
[00:06:19] amount of food getting in keeps them alive, but that's about it, and
[00:06:22] what about children going back to school, they're trying to have school, but
[00:06:26] it's really very difficult because the continuing violence, etc.,
[00:06:30] and that's Gaza, in the west bank, I couldn't
[00:06:34] believe how much worse it was from when we had been there,
[00:06:38] Bankuon and myself in 2023,
[00:06:40] because the... ministers
[00:06:44] of government speaking
[00:06:48] openly about totally taking over the west bank
[00:06:51] eliminating two state solution
[00:06:54] openly and that was sort of
[00:06:58] followed by you much greater
[00:07:02] encroachment we visited
[00:07:05] village having left Ramala
[00:07:08] and we drove through what was the Palestinian West Bank.
[00:07:12] full of Israeli flags at cross roads etc.
[00:07:16] and when we got to the village we could see it was surrounded by
[00:07:20] outposts and a military presence
[00:07:24] and the soldiers would come into the village, they were terrified, women
[00:07:28] told me they couldn't leave the village on their own in cars
[00:07:32] anymore, they went out together a bus if they had to go out, and
[00:07:35] like and you
[00:07:37] men couldn't farm their olive
[00:07:38] trees and we met the farm minister.
[00:07:43] of in Romala the Palestinian authority, we've met her before at the
[00:07:47] security meeting in Munich, and she told
[00:07:50] us how impossible
[00:07:52] it is when you don't have salaries, so the
[00:07:56] withholding the tax that belongs to the Palestinian
[00:07:59] authority, and we said can there not be more protection in
[00:08:03] the west bank the people, and she said, if
[00:08:05] young policeman the Palestinian
[00:08:09] authority goes near where settlers are... eating
[00:08:12] violence and tries to stop them, he'l be
[00:08:16] shot, and and with total impunity, and yet, and yet
[00:08:20] we see this total impunity, mayor robinson,
[00:08:23] continue, you said it was unconstionable the lack
[00:08:27] of political will to hold Israel accountable for its
[00:08:30] actions, why are we seeing this continued
[00:08:33] impunity? well, we're
[00:08:36] seeing various leaders talk about how shameful
[00:08:40] it is, how unacceptable
[00:08:42] it is, macron and Andy Burnham
[00:08:45] etc. and they have now said
[00:08:48] that they will not trade with illegal settlements. That's a
[00:08:52] step, first of all, they gave recognition quite a number of states,
[00:08:56] European states and Canada, but uh, more
[00:09:00] significant, they
[00:09:00] they taken that step. We need to go much further, we need to
[00:09:04] really not just, you know, suspend the preferential trade
[00:09:08] with Israel, and there's article two of it talks about the need.
[00:09:12] to observe human rights, human rights are being totally violated,
[00:09:16] so that should be suspended, we should stop all arms
[00:09:19] transferers that aid the occupation, and you
[00:09:23] target those ministers who are abusing their office by racist
[00:09:27] language, it's actually blatantly racist language that they're
[00:09:30] using, and
[00:09:32] you know, it's quite shocking, and yet there are no serious
[00:09:36] consequences, there is no push to impose any
[00:09:39] kind of sanctions on the government as
[00:09:42] a whole, "do you feel that EU governments are in breach
[00:09:45] their own obligations? we more or less said to them when we went
[00:09:49] to Brussels,
[00:09:50] we we deliberately went from the West Bank and we ended
[00:09:54] up in Tel Aviv a meeting and then flew from Tel Aviv to Brussels
[00:09:58] deliberately to raise the responsibility the
[00:10:01] EU, and we told them, this is on your watch, and this is, it's
[00:10:05] unacceptable that you cannot agree as a whole, the
[00:10:08] EU to stop trade with the settlements to..."
[00:10:13] the preferential trade pillar to stop arms
[00:10:15] etc. and we do know that Israel
[00:10:19] is lobby very heavily and was lobbing very heavily at the
[00:10:22] time, but there's no d. that more European
[00:10:26] countries are aware of just how horrific it is and that
[00:10:30] it's on their watch and they're more open about it. it was
[00:10:34] particularly important that France and Canada and the UK
[00:10:38] stopped trading with the settlements, but they need to go further. this is just not
[00:10:41] acceptable. and young people around the world are
[00:10:45] watching and they're saying, are we going to normalize
[00:10:48] genocide? are we going to normalize and you allow
[00:10:52] impunity for what's happening, the elimination? been warning that
[00:10:55] Palestine itself could disappear politically,
[00:10:59] economically and physically.
[00:11:00] I mean, these are really strong warnings. What needs to happen? I
[00:11:04] think, after the election, let's
[00:11:08] hope that new government would be prepared to start start
[00:11:12] taking different steps and be open
[00:11:15] to discussion. I mean, the board of
[00:11:18] peace is not functioning, it's
[00:11:21] simply not doing anything that is significant.
[00:11:25] and they're making a mistake about decommissioning, I know that
[00:11:29] from Northern Ireland, um, you know, the whole process
[00:11:33] of decommissioning arms in northern Ireland was a process that was
[00:11:37] gradual step by step, and when the IRA
[00:11:41] decommissioned and you they got a step a
[00:11:44] direction, and then there was more decommissioning, and it took, I think some somewhere
[00:11:48] between 10 and 12 years, you don't say, Hamas
[00:11:52] has to give up all its arms before Israel. will withdraw from that
[00:11:56] part of, that's not the way it's done, that's not, that's not acceptable or
[00:12:00] feasible, and and Israel knows that, and you've been in the room for
[00:12:04] decades talking to prime ministers, president, secretaries general the
[00:12:08] United Nations,
[00:12:09] and other top leaders, when you speak with them
[00:12:12] today privately, what do you think they
[00:12:16] understand about this issue that they aren't willing to say
[00:12:19] publicly? well, what we
[00:12:23] try to do is to... urge them to
[00:12:27] take the kind of steps that can be taken, and I
[00:12:30] believe there is kind of movement towards the
[00:12:34] EU being able at least to suspend suspend trade with the
[00:12:38] settlements, that may not sound too much, but it's very significant for
[00:12:41] Israel, you know, it's a it's a marker at the international
[00:12:45] level and that the world will not trade or the EU will not
[00:12:49] trade with settlements, of course it would be much better to suspend the
[00:12:53] preferential and trade agreement because the human rights provisions in
[00:12:57] it, what we're seeing actually is the EU not living up to its
[00:13:00] values, that's basically what it is, but
[00:13:03] what is going to force a change of course, is it EU governments
[00:13:07] taking certain measures at the EU level, or is it the United
[00:13:10] States and its leverage on
[00:13:12] Israel? yes, the United
[00:13:16] States is very important when it comes to Israel, no doubt about it, the
[00:13:20] trouble is President Trump is very distracted and he's
[00:13:23] in he's in the whole 'um because the
[00:13:26] Iran war, he is presumably worried
[00:13:30] about the midterm elections and he is
[00:13:33] worried about artificial intelligence and China and competition and
[00:13:37] all these things and making money obviously
[00:13:39] for him and his family, and that's a big preoccupation, so he
[00:13:43] seems not to be focused
[00:13:45] on the the situation, what I fear because I
[00:13:49] I had a mandate in 2016 from the UN for
[00:13:53] elninho and climate the'. after the Paris agreement, it was a bad
[00:13:56] elninho year, we have a super
[00:14:00] elninho coming down the track, i really
[00:14:03] fear for the humanitarian disaster in Gaza,
[00:14:07] it's going to be winter, there going to be storms, there going to be, it's
[00:14:11] going to be pretty unlivable, and actually
[00:14:14] Israel is short of water now because they've destroyed the water, the
[00:14:18] treatment plants in Gaza, so they're having their own problem, and that could get
[00:14:22] lot worse,
[00:14:23] in other words, "at a time when we're seeing
[00:14:27] too little political leadership, we're also seeing nature and
[00:14:30] climate about to tell us,
[00:14:33] you know, we are now no
[00:14:37] longer nurturing and absorbing the carbon, we are
[00:14:40] actually um, you know, beginning to show that
[00:14:44] nature, when you really go so far
[00:14:48] with it, will hit back, and part the hitting back is the super
[00:14:52] alino, it would not happen without the fossil'.
[00:14:55] led world that we have and they're so closely
[00:14:58] interlinked all these crises, climate
[00:15:01] injustice, the situation in Gaza and across other parts the world, you
[00:15:05] have been critical the US
[00:15:08] Israel war on Iran, which I believe you and the elders have called a war of
[00:15:11] aggression, an illegal war, you have said that it's contributed to
[00:15:15] hiking the price of oil and gas in the world's
[00:15:19] poorest countries which are already struggling with climate change,
[00:15:22] again it brings up this whole business of... of injustice
[00:15:25] selective application of international law
[00:15:29] and and countries responsibilities, doesn't it? yeah, the
[00:15:33] elders feel very strongly on this,
[00:15:35] it is shocking that... five members blatently
[00:15:39] violate the UN charter, Russia in its
[00:15:43] aggression in the Ukraine and the United
[00:15:47] States and Israel, that illegal attack on
[00:15:50] Iran, and then the consequences, as you say, and those
[00:15:54] consequences do not seem to be diminishing, and we have now
[00:15:57] fossil fuel led attack on standard of living all around the
[00:16:01] world, attack on fertilizers, attack on being able to
[00:16:05] produce food, people are really... worried and and then we
[00:16:09] have the super elninho, so it's a, this is going to be
[00:16:13] very difficult few months. so what do
[00:16:15] you say to people who are simply losing hope with international law, with its
[00:16:18] application, with the United Nations system as a whole,
[00:16:22] when powerful countries like the United States and others are involved
[00:16:26] in ignoring international law and the United Nations
[00:16:30] resolutions? well, this is precisely why the
[00:16:33] elders are actually about to mount a very significant campaign.
[00:16:38] in support of rule of law and protection of human
[00:16:42] rights, protection the environment etc. and actually we are
[00:16:46] seeing mid-level countries begin to group
[00:16:50] together much more,
[00:16:51] we we've seen it on AI, lot of mid-level countries,
[00:16:55] because the two big powers, china and the United States were not acting on
[00:16:59] frontier, threatening existential threatening AI,
[00:17:03] so the fact that there is that there are double standards which there are.
[00:17:07] and that there are problems with big powers doesn't diminish the birth
[00:17:11] right super importance of rule of law, protection
[00:17:15] of human rights, i've seen that all over the world, might is
[00:17:19] right, which is what the big powers are are
[00:17:22] trying
[00:17:23] to institutionalized now
[00:17:26] is is disastrous, we see it, but when powerful nations don't comply,
[00:17:29] doesn't it create huge bent in the international
[00:17:33] system, there's no doubt and there is
[00:17:37] very... big change, that is being discussed a very open
[00:17:40] way during the UN general assembly, but what the elders are
[00:17:44] adoment about is, don't make the
[00:17:47] mistake of saying rule of law no longer matters, rule of
[00:17:51] law matters more than ever, because the problems
[00:17:55] we have to deal with together, no country can deal with the
[00:17:59] climate and nature crisis its own, we need to deal with the inequality
[00:18:02] crisis that's undermining democracies and huge
[00:18:06] billions of wealth. are buying power in the United
[00:18:10] States but also in Europe and other parts the world,
[00:18:13] you know, buying power, and so, there's no doubt
[00:18:17] this is
[00:18:17] not a good time because we have such bad leadership. I mean, I often say, because I'm very
[00:18:21] much involved a project danderline of of getting women
[00:18:25] leaders to address a campaign at all levels of
[00:18:29] leadership, top down and bottom up on climate
[00:18:33] justice and the climate of nature crisis, and I do say more
[00:18:36] openly, "one the problems we have is so much
[00:18:40] male leadership, not all of it bad, but too much of it
[00:18:44] bad. it is, you, might
[00:18:46] is right, autocratic, short-term, populist, all the
[00:18:50] things, and I say, if we had parody of leadership in our
[00:18:53] world, that means that half the countries the world would be
[00:18:57] led by women, heads of state and prime ministers, half the countries,
[00:19:01] would we not have much safer world, we know we would. I say that a time when the
[00:19:05] backlash against women's..." rights and the backlash of
[00:19:09] harassment and threats and even
[00:19:12] using language that we've used for years on
[00:19:15] equality in UN instruments is all being contested now,
[00:19:19] so it's a time to dig deep and know we have
[00:19:23] to fight for our rights, but the rule of law and the
[00:19:27] importance the framework of international human rights that we have
[00:19:30] are so important, they are the birth right of young people and I'm determined
[00:19:34] to get young people on board in defending those right? and interesting
[00:19:38] that you say that the rule of law will be better preserved if
[00:19:42] women are at the table? yeah, every
[00:19:45] meeting of women leaders that I attend, we get down to the
[00:19:49] practicalities of how to make life better for people, how to
[00:19:53] combine to solve problems, how to listen each other
[00:19:56] and you collaborate together to make things better, I mean it's
[00:20:00] it's it's remarkable and there is lot of trust among women
[00:20:04] leaders, but the...
[00:20:07] degree of bad leadership and examples of bad leadership that we're
[00:20:11] seeing, look at Latin America,
[00:20:13] you know, more and more autocratic leaders and real worries, look at
[00:20:17] Europe, and what's happening in Germany, and what
[00:20:20] may be happening in France, and this is all
[00:20:24] worrying, but then the world goes through
[00:20:28] cycles, we're going through an extremely difficult
[00:20:31] time, actually the most difficult time I know in my long life. I was with
[00:20:35] them students in Colombia. university as part of
[00:20:39] speaking here in New York, about 300 students and
[00:20:43] I said to them, you know, this is the most difficult time I know
[00:20:47] in my long life, and you're starting, 'you're a young
[00:20:51] career, and I feel a real empathy, and that's why you
[00:20:55] have to be aware the need to fight for rule of
[00:20:58] law and protection of human rights as part of changing the
[00:21:02] world.
[00:21:03] we we actually need to change the world and economically to
[00:21:07] stop this gross inequality, and one the things we could do is
[00:21:10] value living nature. you know, if we put
[00:21:14] value on wood on on trees
[00:21:17] growing, we don't, when we cut the trees'. down their timber
[00:21:21] and the part the gross national
[00:21:23] product, but living trees which
[00:21:27] you provide so much biodiversity,
[00:21:31] absorb carbon etc. we don't value them, so there's a lot to
[00:21:35] think about in our world, we've got things wrong, we we've got so much
[00:21:39] extraction, so much fossil fuel
[00:21:43] dominating, and the good news is
[00:21:46] that the pathway to clean energy is really.
[00:21:50] It's so much cheaper, it's happening. I hope in
[00:21:53] Turkey and in Cup 31, which I'll be at, we will
[00:21:57] have recognition the electrification which
[00:22:01] Turkey has really highlighted, but also the need
[00:22:05] to have the language of facing out of fossil fuel, we have
[00:22:09] to get real about what is harming us and
[00:22:13] causing this and causing so much
[00:22:16] disruption and literally death and
[00:22:20] destruction all around the world. you spoke about the importance of women
[00:22:24] leaders in the world today. do you believe that having more women
[00:22:28] leaders in government would lead to a less militarized
[00:22:30] world? do believe that, of course we need
[00:22:34] security and and it is the responsibility of governments to
[00:22:38] protect and secure their people, but there's a different way of doing it.
[00:22:42] if you engage in much more dialogue and cooperation,
[00:22:46] you don't need the military might, you don't need to
[00:22:50] the force that Russia has used in Ukraine, that the United States and Israel have
[00:22:54] used against Iran, that's that's unacceptable,
[00:22:58] it's contrary to the charter, it's uh,
[00:23:01] it's it's absolutely going in the wrong direction and should be condemned by
[00:23:04] everyone. When we first sat down together, it was 30 years
[00:23:07] ago, it was in 1996, and you were then President of
[00:23:11] Ireland, the first woman to hold that position. You were close to finishing your
[00:23:15] term as president, and you were being very widely tipped as potentially the
[00:23:19] first... woman to become secretary general the united nations, that didn't
[00:23:23] happen, and neither has it, neither has it in the
[00:23:27] last 30 years, did become
[00:23:31] un high commissioner for human rights and that actually suited me psychologically much
[00:23:34] more, the secretary general has to make
[00:23:38] compromises, that's part the job, you has to move with
[00:23:42] governments to the extent that they will move, whereas the
[00:23:46] high commissioner it's truth to power, it's calling out, but
[00:23:50] also saying that human rights are the birth right of all
[00:23:54] countries, let's work together and to embed them in your
[00:23:57] culture in your country, and loved the job for five years as high
[00:24:01] commissioner, even though it was very difficult, it suited me much better, and you were the first woman
[00:24:05] to hold that position, of course you've got this extensive career as well behind
[00:24:09] you as barrister,
[00:24:10] as a law professor at the age of 25. when you look today at
[00:24:14] the political and legal international landscape, when you
[00:24:18] look at the race for the next secretary, would it make the slightest
[00:24:21] difference who leads the UN and whether
[00:24:24] or not it is woman? i think
[00:24:26] it would make very important psychological difference if it is
[00:24:30] woman, because it would be easier for that woman to
[00:24:33] harness the networks upon networks of women just
[00:24:37] informally as kind of quiet infrastructure for
[00:24:41] sanity and problem solving and moving in the right
[00:24:44] direction all over the world and at all levels, indigenous women,
[00:24:48] grass women, entrepreneurs, business
[00:24:51] women, and this is not against men, it's just saying we
[00:24:55] need the balance, we need the balance in decision making,
[00:24:59] and we we will have much better world, this has been proved that if you
[00:25:03] have a good balance in cabinets and at the highest level in
[00:25:06] government, much better decisions are taken, I mean the
[00:25:10] Scandinavian countries are a good example of that, but it's very
[00:25:13] true, and woman secretary general would be a
[00:25:17] real signal to the world, we need a very... competent good
[00:25:21] woman and there are competent good women women around just as there
[00:25:25] are men who are to be considered but hope it will be
[00:25:29] woman. you believe the time has come? i think the
[00:25:32] time has absolutely come, yes and i think it would
[00:25:36] be as i say a signal to young people to women that
[00:25:40] somehow it's different under you
[00:25:43] and the UN does need to renew
[00:25:47] itself a way that brings it. closer to solving
[00:25:51] people's problems on the ground, it has become a bit
[00:25:55] elitist and
[00:25:56] you know distant and driving in
[00:25:59] big cars in poor country.
[00:26:02] etc. and not actually building the institutional
[00:26:06] strength of a country in health, in education, etc.
[00:26:09] focusing on countries being built up themselves and centering
[00:26:13] around that. it can be difficult, it can be messy, but that's the way to go. i
[00:26:17] think you need to localize and really build up the strengths of
[00:26:20] countries, and i think communities will be very much part of that. finally,
[00:26:24] as an outsider, but also as insider, someone who knows the UN
[00:26:28] system extremely well, if there was one thing you could change about
[00:26:32] it, what would
[00:26:33] it be? i would like to
[00:26:36] see a more real
[00:26:39] integrity in the members the UN
[00:26:43] about what is not acceptable, we should not be
[00:26:46] normalizing genocide and normalizing the
[00:26:50] impunity for terrible acts of war crimes, not just in
[00:26:54] Israel but you around the world, in
[00:26:56] Ukraine, we should not have these forgotten
[00:27:00] wars like in Sudan and that... "you, I would like to see an
[00:27:04] integrity of purpose led by the UN, but
[00:27:07] also engaging the members the UN, in defending the
[00:27:11] rule of law and human rights, which is this wonderful birthright. Mary
[00:27:15] Robinson, former president of Ireland, former UN high commissioner for human rights and
[00:27:19] former chair the elders. Thank you so much for being with us. Thank you
[00:27:23] very much, a pleasure. As Mary
[00:27:26] Robinson warns, the collective inaction of today's political
[00:27:30] leaders risks enabling..." disappearance of an entire
[00:27:34] people. The consequences go far beyond
[00:27:37] Palestine. Powerful government's failure or unwillingness
[00:27:41] to uphold international law and justice there sets a deeply
[00:27:45] troubling precedent. Moments like this require not
[00:27:48] just strong words, but leaders with the wisdom and courage to
[00:27:52] rise to them. That's all from Mirida Fakhri and the entire team. Thanks
[00:27:56] for
[00:27:56] watching.
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