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[00:00:23] say they've targeted Riyad's international airport in the past few
[00:00:26] hours. Saudi Arabia has also conf confirmed that...
[00:00:30] Musat base was targeted but says the danger has now passed, it
[00:00:33] of says also vow a strong response to recent hoothy attacks on Riyad's
[00:00:37] main international airport and extended the suspension of all flights
[00:00:41] to and from its capital city. the event of
[00:00:45] recent weeks are serious. our response
[00:00:49] must be equally serious. energy security cannot be
[00:00:53] taken for granted. for Saudi
[00:00:57] Arabia, this circum
[00:00:58] this circumstances have. tested our infrastructure,
[00:01:02] our institution, our
[00:01:04] people and our
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[00:01:11] made long before the present crisis
[00:01:14] of
[00:01:15] of and of Israeli
[00:01:15] of drone attack has targeted
[00:01:19] of a refugee camp in the south of Gaza killing at least two Palestinians, paramedics say several
[00:01:23] people were wounded in the strike on the camp near Rafa, which is home to thousands
[00:01:27] of Palestinians who've been displaced multiple
[00:01:29] of times. during Israel's three-year
[00:01:31] war. US immigration officials have
[00:01:35] raided the home of Somali-born Congresswoman Ilhan
[00:01:39] of Omar in the early hours of Monday. Omar has described the raid as an
[00:01:42] of active intimidation and vowed not
[00:01:45] of to be silenced with the investigation reportedly regarding
[00:01:48] her immigration
[00:01:52] of paperwork. Russia is continuing to attack Ukraine's energy facilities
[00:01:55] despite the
[00:01:57] of so-called energy cease fire declared by US President Donald Trump on
[00:02:00] Sunday. Russia has yet to comment on Trump's claim, but Ukrainian
[00:02:04] president Vladimir Zelensky says several gas facilities were hit
[00:02:08] since that cease fire
[00:02:11] of announcement. And
[00:02:12] of hundreds of of supermarkets in France have been hit by an unprecedented cyber
[00:02:16] attack that raised fridge and freezer temperatures to 50 degrees
[00:02:20] celsius. Fires and widespread food spoilage have been reported
[00:02:24] with losses estimated at millions of dollars. Some
[00:02:27] of the country's biggest supermarket chains were hit including. four, which said
[00:02:31] 80 of its stores were
[00:02:53] On this episode of Inside America, we ask, has
[00:02:57] the US forgotten Gaza? "I've
[00:03:01] followed politics here for 40 years, it's never
[00:03:05] been like it is today in terms of American
[00:03:10] of of public opinion, a shift has already happened, of when his promise doing the campaign, I'm going to fix this on day one, has he delivered on that? He did not delivered on
[00:03:14] that, of course, exactly, but he just has he didn't renig on his
[00:03:18] promise, he just failed to fulfill it, has the Trump administration achieved something that
[00:03:22] previous
[00:03:23] of administrations have been unable to achieve, I think they have, which is what, I think
[00:03:27] they have established the basis for a state for."
[00:03:32] palestiny people. Hello
[00:03:33] and welcome to the show. I'm Selena Downs and today I'm joined by the Democratic strategist Richard
[00:03:37] Gidstine and the political writer Peter Roth. In moment, we'll be
[00:03:41] debating whether America has forgotten
[00:03:44] of Gaza. Donald Trump's peace plan has stalled and the Iran war has
[00:03:48] diverted lot of political and media attention. But
[00:03:52] polls show historic levels of public support for
[00:03:55] Palestinians. I put this to Robert Mally, a middle east.
[00:04:02] of tomorrow He's
[00:04:02] is also
[00:04:06] yesterday, co-author a book about the pursuit of peace between
[00:04:10] Israel and
[00:04:12] of Palestine. One
[00:04:12] of the paradoxes of everything that's happened from October 7th onwards is
[00:04:16] that militarily, it's more cable
[00:04:19] than than it's been in the past, politically in terms of its international reputation,
[00:04:22] it is really had such a low standing in its history, particularly in the
[00:04:26] US, I'll come back to it, I think you could reverse the case
[00:04:29] of the... calls has rarely been
[00:04:32] as universally, not endorsed, but at
[00:04:36] least as strong university as
[00:04:38] it is today, the palestine national movement has rarely been as
[00:04:42] weak as
[00:04:43] it is today, and that's the paradox that we're living through, now I've followed
[00:04:46] in politics here for 40 years, um,
[00:04:50] it's never been like
[00:04:52] it is today in terms of American public opinion, the shift in the younger
[00:04:55] generation is unprecedented, the poll numbers
[00:04:59] are... controvertible, I mean that's the of all
[00:05:01] of the change, if you want to look for one change that should
[00:05:04] of bring hope to those who are still
[00:05:07] longing for, a peaceful
[00:05:09] a settlement, self-determination for the palestine people, the... shifting in public
[00:05:13] opinion here, which is yet to fully manifest itself at the
[00:05:17] political, but you're already seeing, look at the debates among political
[00:05:21] candidates on the democratic side, it's who's going to accept money from apac and who's not
[00:05:25] going to accept money from apac, is conditioning aid aid
[00:05:29] to to Israel or or military sales to Israel has become a litmus test,
[00:05:33] forget about military just military aid without free
[00:05:36] military to Israel, debating whether
[00:05:39] it was genocide, debating whether israel is apartide state, are all
[00:05:42] questions which would would have been maybe mentioned by a fringe the political
[00:05:46] class and not even few years ago and today every
[00:05:50] serious political candidate in the US has to grapple with these questions and as we
[00:05:54] approach the primary in 2028 among
[00:05:56] the democratic party you'll see one candidate after another struggling
[00:06:00] to come up with what they think is the right answer given the
[00:06:04] political earthquake that has shaken the public opinion.
[00:06:08] so why the disconnect between the public opinion?
[00:06:13] uh and the policy making, there's always been a lag, the
[00:06:17] question now is whether that lag is going to be very quickly filled, but
[00:06:21] because we're seeing such mobilization in the democratic base, I mean the elections here in
[00:06:25] New York, mayor Mamdani, we'll see what happens to the senatoral elections in
[00:06:28] Michigan, another true bellweather barometer the state of political
[00:06:32] opinion, a shift has already happened and the
[00:06:36] rhetoric of of candidates and political leaders has already
[00:06:39] changed, the question is, and I'm talking about the democratic side, question is,
[00:06:43] how far will that go and how quickly will if ever the
[00:06:46] political establishments catch up with where their bases? why do you take such a
[00:06:50] cynical view the two-state solution? listen, it's been
[00:06:54] i was part the cynical industry if you will, the industry
[00:06:58] that was a pretend industry. it's been how many decades now
[00:07:02] that we have one American leader and often European leaders saying our
[00:07:05] priority is to get two-state solution, we want two-state solution, and while
[00:07:09] they were saying those things everything on the ground. was moving in the
[00:07:13] opposite direction, it became the argument that US and other leaders used to
[00:07:17] say, oh, let's not mobilize the
[00:07:21] boy, let's not allow boycots, let's not allow the palestins to go
[00:07:24] to international institutions, to go to the ICC, to go to the ICJ, to
[00:07:28] declare their own state, because all of that is
[00:07:32] going to interfere with this process, which is supposed to lead to two state
[00:07:36] solution, which was not leading anywhere at all,
[00:07:38] and I'm not against, but describe to me how we're going to get from
[00:07:42] here to there and how you're going to overcome the obstacles that you were unable
[00:07:46] to to overcome a time when they were much lower, much
[00:07:49] less, much less of
[00:07:53] an obstacle to suit solution than they are today, so if you have that plan, if you have that road
[00:07:57] map, feel free describe it, but otherwise what you're saying is
[00:08:01] just words, but so is it the framework that's a failure or is it that the
[00:08:05] framework was allowed to fail, was it the lack of political will behind it, was it
[00:08:08] passivity, listen a minimum so...
[00:08:13] the most elemental explanation is the status quo
[00:08:17] continued occupation or even worse the entrancement the
[00:08:20] occupation has served Israely interests, if there's no pushback, if
[00:08:24] there's no price for them to pay, if there's a cost-free occupation,
[00:08:27] if the palestinan authority is trying to take care of security more or
[00:08:31] less, if the west is and our world is paying for the occupation,
[00:08:35] if nobody is taking action against Israel, why should Israel change
[00:08:39] course? mean it really is for me the blame, mean i has made
[00:08:42] its choice, it's an understandable choice, we could, we could lament it, but it's a
[00:08:46] choice that makes sense from their perspective, right? and the United States is being
[00:08:50] compliciting that, there's always been asy about, the question is why the US, why
[00:08:54] Europe and why others have not put matched the their
[00:08:58] actions with their words, they say they want two-state solution, which is not where the events
[00:09:02] were leading, and they were not prepared to make
[00:09:05] Israel pay any price for uh the the course it was on, if the
[00:09:09] United States wanted to truly compel Israel... um to
[00:09:13] comply with UN resolutions on the 1967 borders
[00:09:17] on East Jerusalem, it could. You no, it is possible if the US had
[00:09:20] shown greater symmetry in its pressure, greater
[00:09:24] understanding the political realities on both sides. It was at least
[00:09:27] possible that you could have had two-state outcome, whether it would have been a solution, how long it would have lasted,
[00:09:31] that's a different question, but you certainly were not going to get there if you're
[00:09:35] not prepared to put any pressure if you're prepared to be as you say complicit in Israeli
[00:09:39] actions, if you are taking steps to.
[00:09:47] making sure that other country could play a role in this process, then by definition
[00:09:51] it was going to, it was bound to fail, again whether they could have
[00:09:54] succeeded with different modes of pressure, that's
[00:09:56] an open question, but today given how far we are from where we were
[00:10:00] before, think everything has to be rethought, the
[00:10:03] objective, who are the parties at the negotiating table, because we need parties that
[00:10:07] have real representation, real legitimacy, real credibility with their
[00:10:11] constituence with... is ready, who the mediators are going to be, is it
[00:10:15] just the United States, should Arab countries come in? I mean all that at this point,
[00:10:19] because as I said, we're so far from any outcome, any solution that's agreed to by the
[00:10:23] two sides, why not take? the time to put everything on
[00:10:27] the table and to ask the fundamental questions that we basically have not answered since
[00:10:30] 1993, we we've been in this one way path, this peace
[00:10:34] process, which led us not just to an impass, it led
[00:10:38] to october 7th and to israely offsaw that followed. mean, one
[00:10:42] thing, another thing that has come out the events of october
[00:10:45] 7 is the gaza border peace and
[00:10:49] president trump's plan for for peace
[00:10:53] in gaza, to get your thoughts on that, I mean currently
[00:10:57] obviously it has stalled between phases, there continues to be a
[00:11:01] symmetry there as well because there are, demands on Hamas to
[00:11:04] disarm, Hamas says it won't disarm until Israel withdraws, Israel says it won't
[00:11:08] withdraw until Hamas disarm, the plan itself is an
[00:11:12] eye saw, it is outrageous in its asymmetry, I
[00:11:15] mean it is demanding that one side pay amens for the masker of October
[00:11:19] 7th without asking the Israelits to do
[00:11:22] anything in. to pay for what the
[00:11:26] massacers, the the answer, what a number of international
[00:11:30] jurists have now called a genocide, but no accountability for them accountability for the
[00:11:34] Palestinians, the Palestinians have to re-educate themselves and
[00:11:37] and and reform themselves, no reform is ass the pales the the
[00:11:41] Israelis, it basically enshrines and validates continued
[00:11:44] Israeli occupation of at least 50% of
[00:11:47] Gaza, etc. etc. so I could go through chapter and
[00:11:51] verse of how this plan was...
[00:11:56] you know, a a fundamentally flawed biased plan
[00:12:00] that did not in any way um reflect palestine
[00:12:04] interest, palestine need, palestine interest and and and palestine rights,
[00:12:08] but it did one thing which the bidon administration was had been unable to do, which is to reach a
[00:12:11] cease fire, and even though people
[00:12:15] would question what kind of ceasefire it is when palestines are being killed every day,
[00:12:19] it was better than at the height the onslot that Israel was
[00:12:23] waiting, so you got to give that, much credit at all if anything
[00:12:27] to um to the Trump administration for having achieved in and for having put some
[00:12:31] pressure, some pressure on Israel to to agree to that, but since then what
[00:12:34] have we seen
[00:12:35] and what we've seen basically is attempt to
[00:12:39] reduce the palestine question to humanitarian question, can we
[00:12:43] make their lives a little bit better, can we get a little more humanitarian goods
[00:12:47] in, but the political question of palestine
[00:12:50] is the attempt is to bury it right, and there's no re.
[00:12:55] nition that it's a political problem, that the what's happening in Gaza is a political
[00:12:59] decision, what's happening
[00:13:00] in the west bank is a political decision, and that there are political aspirations that are being
[00:13:04] completely trampled as we
[00:13:12] in Gaza about this, do they feel forgotten by
[00:13:15] America? they are exploiting
[00:13:19] the crisis in Gaza, because no one is standing with us
[00:13:23] and Gaza. means nothing to America, we
[00:13:27] were just a card used to help Trump in the election,
[00:13:30] nothing more. America is the sponsor the war
[00:13:34] on Gaza and one the main supporters providing the weapons used to kill
[00:13:38] children, women and the elderly, and to completely destroy
[00:13:42] Gaza. It is doing this to serve its own interests and
[00:13:46] external agendas and the interest of those seeking to bring an end to
[00:13:50] Gaza. America acts in its own interests,
[00:13:54] yet when Trump... came to power, the war stopped, but his
[00:13:57] entire policy is in Israel's interest, not ours.
[00:14:01] America is in the region only to protect Israel, nothing
[00:14:04] more. It claims that
[00:14:07] it is helping us, providing aid and standing with us, but
[00:14:11] no, they have not kept their promises. Perhaps it is
[00:14:15] because of other political considerations, such as the war with Iran
[00:14:19] or
[00:14:19] their other wars in the middle east, I don't know. There are policies
[00:14:23] and agendas that...
[00:15:01] out
[00:15:02] Israel strikes, is carrying they say there is sece fire, but i don't see any cease
[00:15:06] fire. so onto today's
[00:15:09] debate, with me is the democratic strategist richard goodsteen, a former
[00:15:13] advisor to the clintons and Peter, a contributing
[00:15:17] editor and columnist at newsweek. welcome to you both, thank you, thank you,
[00:15:21] um, peter, if i can start with you, has the us
[00:15:25] uh forgotten Gaza, has the Iran war shifted the focus
[00:15:29] the administration? uh, forgotten
[00:15:32] Gaza, just because it's off the front page doesn't mean it's
[00:15:35] forgotten, but America we have tendency to
[00:15:39] confuse the urgent with the important and right now uh
[00:15:43] Iran, straight of hormoos uh red sea
[00:15:46] exits for Saudi Oil uh and the elections all
[00:15:50] seem more urgentuh and worthy of coverage than Gaza.
[00:15:54] Richard, do you agree? so I would say it's kind the it's a one hand on the
[00:15:57] other. remember Donald Trump said he was going to solve the war
[00:16:01] in Gaza on day one. So here we are,
[00:16:05] these many years, almost two years after. his presidency started,
[00:16:09] doesn't seem like a real solution is at hand
[00:16:12] whatsoever. on the other hand, within democratic politics for
[00:16:16] sure, and think increasingly more in republican politics,
[00:16:19] this notion of where do you stand, what's the solution? i think those
[00:16:23] are actually going to be fairly front burner as the 2028 presidential
[00:16:27] election starts, so i think it's it's not really
[00:16:31] um off the it's off the front burner now, it will be, think a front
[00:16:35] burner issue,
[00:16:36] i would say six months from now. Peter, President Trump's uh
[00:16:40] Gaza peace plan appears to have stalled, we're finding um, there was
[00:16:44] a lot of public discourse,
[00:16:46] there are a lot of high-level meetings being held here in the aftermath
[00:16:50] of October 7, but it seems now that the peace process is
[00:16:54] stalled, humanitarian assistance uh appears to be
[00:16:57] severely severely restricted, um, how
[00:17:01] is the administration going to navigate this path forward for Gaza? Well, fortunately, I
[00:17:05] think the administration has the support the... countries that sign the
[00:17:08] document, they're closer, they're more
[00:17:12] neutral, they're better able to observe, and I think they will be
[00:17:16] expressing their opinion, but I'm not sure at all that the process has
[00:17:19] stalled, it was going to be difficult, there were going
[00:17:23] to be fits and starts, there's still the issue of disarming
[00:17:26] to be dealt with, and until Himas is is is dissolved
[00:17:30] and disarmed or disarmed and dissolved will probably be the way it
[00:17:34] will have to work, I'm not sure you can't get to the
[00:17:38] vision of what's um, what the peace
[00:17:42] plan laid out, which is the best thing for all palestinians and it's
[00:17:46] important to remember that Hamas doesn't represent all the Palestinian
[00:17:49] people. I mean, I spoke to Robert Mally about this, there is asymmetry
[00:17:53] in the way that Hamas is being asked to disarm and
[00:17:56] demilitarize, give up its weapons, but there is no pressure on the
[00:18:00] Israeli side to do so, correct, look, I
[00:18:04] think, remember there was this whole board of peace, all these countries. that paid big
[00:18:08] money into one Trump organization after another and
[00:18:12] signed something that proported to be some commitment to
[00:18:15] whatever. I will say speaking for myself, I thought that was always
[00:18:19] fantasy. um, this notion that they were going to get Hamos
[00:18:23] to disarm when their whole purpose was
[00:18:27] to basically uh eradicate Israel as a Jewish
[00:18:30] state, seemed preposterous until they
[00:18:34] have something that feels like a commitment to two-state solution.
[00:18:38] and um, I, I, I just think, and I don't think the
[00:18:41] Palestinians have that, certainly Hamas doesn't, I don't think Israel does
[00:18:45] either, you certainly don't hear that from President Trump or his administration
[00:18:49] anymore, I mean, we have seen an incredible change in public discourse
[00:18:53] here, um, we have seen an outporing of support for
[00:18:57] Gaza, for the state of Palestine, we have seen recognition the state of
[00:19:01] Palestine coming from 150 plus countries now, just
[00:19:05] how has that shifted in the United States, is that? precedented in in terms
[00:19:08] of what you have seen over the decades. I mean, it's certainly new. I mean, if you would
[00:19:12] pull people decades ago between their support for Israel
[00:19:15] versus Palestine, such as it was, it would be fairly
[00:19:19] imbalanced in favor of Israel, and that's now shifted. And honestly, I
[00:19:23] fault the Netanyahu government for so overplaying
[00:19:27] its hand after October 7th, there was so much sympathy
[00:19:30] for Israel, from that point on, and the
[00:19:34] fact that the response has been what it's been. it would almost take
[00:19:38] work for Israel to be as discredited worldwise as it
[00:19:41] is by virtue of how Netanyahu is kind of totally botched
[00:19:45] things, so again, I think this will be a big factor
[00:19:49] in the Democratic presidential nomination process. I
[00:19:53] think that um, whoever is going to be the ultimate
[00:19:57] winner of that process, it's going to be somebody who's going to have to speak to
[00:20:00] the interest of those who want a Palestinian state
[00:20:04] without walking away from Israel, which is... fine line to
[00:20:08] walk, but I think it's walkable, but it's going to take some some deft
[00:20:12] going to uh politics. How much of influence do you think uh
[00:20:16] Gaza is having on the mid-terms? Do you think that Democrats and Republicans are
[00:20:20] having to navigate the shifted public discourse? uh, I think it's having a huge
[00:20:23] influence a couple of races, couple of marquis races like the
[00:20:27] senate race uh in Michigan, but I do think
[00:20:31] what this does is sets up a an opportunity for the Republican
[00:20:35] party to broaden its appeal to... um the Jewish
[00:20:38] American electorate uh, which frankly doesn't vote on
[00:20:42] Israel, if you're if you're an American voter who votes on
[00:20:45] Israel, you're probably already republican. If you're a Republican
[00:20:49] voter votes on social and economic issues, you've been voting with the
[00:20:53] liberal party, but now that the liberal
[00:20:57] party, the democrats are being
[00:21:01] uh, I don't what the right word is, taken over, over overrun uh the
[00:21:04] influence of people who support Hamas and the Palestinians is increasing
[00:21:08] among the party, that's a fantasy, look, if you watch Fox News, if you watch
[00:21:12] right white right-wing sources, you think that somehow these democratic
[00:21:16] socialists, these hamas sympathizers and so forth are taking over the democratic party.
[00:21:20] because that's what you want to think, you can't accept the fact that with
[00:21:24] very, very very
[00:21:26] exp, here's the here's the
[00:21:30] answer to that, Peter, um, the the squad,
[00:21:34] Aoc, Bernie, they have yet to flip a single seat
[00:21:38] ever from red to blue, they've never gotten seat going from Republican to
[00:21:41] Democrat, the the moderates, the new democrats have done that to
[00:21:45] fairly well dozens and dozens and dozens of times, the the the New
[00:21:49] Democratic.
[00:21:59] they're flipping blue seats, they're flipping their own seats, they're
[00:22:03] they're engaged in the cleansing the democratic party, no these they're
[00:22:07] going from from blue to cobalt blue, great, congratulations, but
[00:22:11] they're not doing anything to make the democrats a stronger, more kind of dominant
[00:22:14] party in congress and think everybody other than Bernie and
[00:22:18] realizes that
[00:22:19] at the moment don't think they care, i think what they care about is purifying the
[00:22:23] party. we watched the republicans go through this in the 80s and 90s with the
[00:22:27] with the um inculcation of christian conservative
[00:22:30] activists who insisted that the republican party become officially the
[00:22:34] pro-life party in the abortion debate and they were flipping red
[00:22:38] seats, they were flipping red seats in red states to change the nature
[00:22:42] the base in congress so they could go out and win national elections and
[00:22:46] i think that's this is phase one of what the democrats are doing and that once the...
[00:22:50] locked in the socialist positions and they've locked in the foreign policy
[00:22:54] positions that say we are pro- palestine, we are anti
[00:22:57] Israel uh that it is going to change the direction the
[00:23:01] party, the platform the party, and it's going to change the American electorate. yeah, the reason
[00:23:05] I i would strongly disagree with that as the following: imagine in Israel where
[00:23:09] Netanyahu is not in charge, imagine United States where Trump's not in charge,
[00:23:13] imagine we had a Bill Clinton and a Shimone
[00:23:17] Perez orbin, what, "this antipathy that we
[00:23:21] now see, and it's i agree, it's real for
[00:23:25] Israel, that changes, because Netanyahu
[00:23:28] is so mismanaged things and Trump has so sucked up to him, and vice
[00:23:32] verser. do you think the Trump administration has a Gaza strategy
[00:23:35] to all talk? they look, I think
[00:23:38] they do do a couple different things, they send people who were not steeped
[00:23:42] in diplomacy, Trump son-in-law, Jared Kuschner,
[00:23:46] his buddy Steve Witkoff, to negotiate all the things, whether it's Russian, Ukraine." and
[00:23:50] gaza, they're making no headway with any of that stuff, okay? so they sent the
[00:23:53] C team, not not even the A or B team, um, and then
[00:23:57] they kind of hope that they can just bamboozle people, they said were professional
[00:24:01] negotiators, guys who know how to do
[00:24:04] deals, diplomats don't have to do deals, diplomats know how
[00:24:08] to success they shown peter, tell me if you think when his
[00:24:11] promise during the campaign, I'm going to fix this on day one, has he delivered on that, he did not
[00:24:15] deliver on that, of course, exactly, buse he's got these these in it, but he also hasn't cut
[00:24:19] a bad. he hasn't let the diplomats cut a bad deal
[00:24:22] like
[00:24:24] his promise but he didn't renig on his promise he just failed to fulfill it and politicians
[00:24:28] remember if you like your healthcare you can keep it politicians fail to keep
[00:24:32] their promises all the time we accept that that's part the American political
[00:24:36] dynamics remember read your lips we accept that but he sent real
[00:24:39] negotiators hard nose guys who know how to cut deals has the Trump
[00:24:43] administration achieved something that previous administrations have been unable
[00:24:47] to achieve. I think they have which is what? "I think they have
[00:24:51] established the basis for a state, for Palestinian people, that
[00:24:55] no president has been able to do before that. The two state solution was nice
[00:24:59] idea created by diplomats. I think it's dead arrival, I think we ought to
[00:25:03] stop talking about it. I think it's a multi-state solution. I think the West Bank
[00:25:07] may become its own country, it may become several countries. They will eventually
[00:25:10] have a place that they will be able to call home, but it's not going to be
[00:25:14] something that we decide for them, it's going to be something that they decide for
[00:25:18] themselves,
[00:25:19] what did the two states?" solution failed because uh the framework was a failure or
[00:25:23] because the process or the political will behind it was a failure? i think because the
[00:25:27] framework's a failure, you can you can't have one country divided by another
[00:25:31] country, and you were either going to have palestine divided in half by Israel, or you're
[00:25:35] going to have Israel divided in half by palestine. so let me just say can i say one thing about the west
[00:25:38] bank? because i think it's a whole other topic, i think what's happening
[00:25:42] in the west bank now, which is Israel is basically
[00:25:46] killing and and terrorizing locals, palestine.
[00:26:02] "and more about what they're seeing in the West Bank, and I
[00:26:06] think the fact that Trump has greenlighted uh
[00:26:10] Netanyahu building all these settlements is horrible and is making
[00:26:14] matters worse, it's going to make it the ability to deliver, I think
[00:26:18] that I think it, I'm sorry, I think that's a drop a bucket, I think that the biggest
[00:26:21] change has been the way Israel's prosecution of its
[00:26:24] defense after it was attacked by Hamas was covered,
[00:26:28] um, the Palestinians said genocide, and the New York Times said, okay,
[00:26:32] UN commission also concluded it was genocide
[00:26:36] and it doesn't what it's talking
[00:26:39] about and it's useless. um moving on, I want to know do you think this will continue
[00:26:43] to be a partisan wedge in US politics uh the
[00:26:47] Israel palestine conflict? um, you mentioned looking
[00:26:51] ahead to the 2028 election, we talked about obviously
[00:26:55] the midterms, do you think this will continue to be a partisan divide? we
[00:26:59] saw um, we saw recently house democrats. tried
[00:27:02] to um prevent the weapons
[00:27:06] and the aid going to Israel, about 100 house democrats more than 100 house
[00:27:10] democrats, one republican voted to do that, it obviously
[00:27:14] failed, when can we see the United States stop
[00:27:17] sending weapons assistance to Israel? I think that the United
[00:27:21] States is committed to Israel being a Jewish state and being
[00:27:25] able to defend itself. I i don't, I think that's fairly
[00:27:28] unshakable, so do I think will we stop?
[00:27:32] giving them as opposed to selling them weapons, I don't think we're going to see a day where that
[00:27:36] stops, however they're going to get help, the United Israel is going to get
[00:27:40] help from the United States, but here's how it's going to play
[00:27:44] out: if the populist wing in either party, the JD Vance wing in the
[00:27:47] Republican Party, or the Bernie Sanders Aoc wing in the Republican Party
[00:27:51] wins the White House after 2028, I think the US relationship
[00:27:55] with Israel changes fundamentally and perhaps irreparably,
[00:27:59] um, there's a lot of anti-Israeli sentiment in both. both
[00:28:02] of those wings of both parties, it it it it's more
[00:28:06] dominant and sometimes on the right, it's more dominant, sometimes on the left, but it's
[00:28:10] it's there, and unfortunately it's always going to be there just like it's
[00:28:14] there in every country around the
[00:30:03] "there is no end inside to fighting between Saudi Arabia and the
[00:30:07] Yemen base
[00:30:17] I Mohammed reporting from the negative in southern Israel where 400
[00:30:21] residents have been left homeless and 80 homes demolished by Israeli
[00:30:25] authorities. Amid rising criticism over their
[00:30:29] actions, US homeland security raids the house of..."
[00:30:32] Somali-born Muslim Congresswoman Ilhan
[00:30:35] Omar and Bangladesh prepares
[00:30:39] to bring its first nuclear power plant into
[00:30:42] service.