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[00:00:03] every square meter that is removed
[00:00:26] Carles Pujamon assures that when he
[00:00:27] the expansion of can return to Catalonia, the first
[00:00:30] thing he will do will be to listen to the territory to decide his political
[00:00:33] future. He said this in an interview with the British newspaper The Sunday
[00:00:37] Times, which is published
[00:00:39] reform, because there are pieces of today.
[00:00:41] Pedro Sánchez and Alberto Núñez Feijó coincide in Catalonia in a key
[00:00:45] pre-election period. The socialist leader intervened with Salvador
[00:00:48] Illa and the Popular Party held an event in Badalona with Alejandro
[00:00:52] Fernández.
[00:00:55] At least two people have died and six more have been injured in the Moscow
[00:01:00] eh, and to make projects. Both region in a Ukrainian drone attack. This would be
[00:01:03] the most intense attack to date against the Russian capital and
[00:01:06] coincides with the third day of the legislative
[00:01:09] elections in the
[00:01:11] country.
[00:01:16] Germany also holds elections, key elections in Berlin
[00:01:20] and Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania. Polls
[00:01:23] predict a strong rise of the far right. The result of the
[00:01:27] CDU conservatives will be decisive for the political leadership of Chancellor
[00:01:34] today? The Merkel. The Matagalls Montserrat route has had to be
[00:01:36] modified due to environmental restrictions. The
[00:01:40] itinerary is reduced from 82 to 60 kilometers to protect
[00:01:43] the natural environment. The Valencian singer Guitarrica de
[00:01:47] la Fuente headlines the
[00:02:51] rise a little more with values close to
[00:02:54] 33 degrees. In the warmest areas,
[00:02:57] sun with some thin clouds in the north of the
[00:03:01] country. Good morning! Carles Pujamont says
[00:03:04] that, when he returns to Catalonia, he
[00:03:11] details of the most controversial
[00:03:14] will dedicate himself to touring the territory to take its pulse,
[00:03:17] undertaking a listening process and then
[00:03:21] he will decide what political steps
[00:03:24] need to be taken. In an interview with the British newspaper The Sunday
[00:03:27] Times, which is published today, the former president says that this is
[00:03:31] his plan, which he has been contemplating for a long time and that
[00:03:35] he will execute it as long as the Spanish courts apply
[00:03:38] the amnesty that the Spanish courts approved at the time.
[00:03:42] He had not granted an interview for more than a year. He does so now
[00:03:45] less than two years before the next Catalan
[00:03:49] elections. To decide the future, he says he first wants
[00:03:52] to gauge the sentiment of the country?
[00:03:56] All this time I try to
[00:04:00] be in contact with my team, with the people in order to understand exactly what
[00:04:04] is going on in Catalonia, but I know it's not the same to
[00:04:07] smell, to touch, to feel, to be
[00:04:12] issue is the expansion of among the people. That is my first intention
[00:04:16] when I arrive, some immersion in the
[00:04:19] reality to to touch to touch again
[00:04:23] to feel the smell my
[00:04:26] country. Pedro Sánchez and Alberto Núñez Feijó
[00:04:31] coincide today in two political events here in Catalonia. The leader of the SOE
[00:04:36] linked to the extension of will intervene this afternoon at the Festa de la Rosa in Gabà and will be accompanied
[00:04:38] by Salvador Illa, while the president of the PP will attend
[00:04:43] the Natura 2000 a party event in Badalona with Alejandro Fernández.
[00:04:46] Both arrive in Catalonia at the beginning of the political course and with mutual
[00:04:50] reproaches, such as the humanitarian crisis in Ceuta or the alleged
[00:04:53] cases of corruption of the two main Spanish
[00:04:57] parties. In addition, both Sánchez and Feijó are
[00:05:00] aware of the important role that
[00:05:03] the airport, both T1 and the Catalan votes play, contributing 48 deputies to Congress
[00:05:07] and that next year, as you know, there will be general elections.
[00:05:10] At least two people have died and about twenty
[00:05:20] have been injured in Moscow and its
[00:05:24] region in an offensive with hundreds of drones that Russia
[00:05:27] attributes to Ukraine. The operation has also affected the
[00:05:30] oil refinery that had already been the target of other
[00:05:34] incursions. According to Russian authorities, air defenses
[00:05:37] have shot down nearly 400 drones that were
[00:05:41] heading towards the Russian capital. The mayor,
[00:05:45] Sergey Sovianin, has described the events as the most serious
[00:05:48] drone attack on the capital. Sovianin has assured
[00:05:52] that the objective was to interrupt the last day
[00:05:56] of the legislative elections that have been held this
[00:05:59] weekend. Ukraine, for the moment, has not commented on the
[00:06:03] events.
[00:06:08] And today there are also elections in Germany, specifically in Berlin, and in
[00:06:11] Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania. Polls
[00:06:15] indicate strong growth for the far right, the Alternative for
[00:06:18] Germany. These regional elections could also further question
[00:06:21] the leadership of Chancellor Merkel, if the
[00:06:25] CDU conservatives obtain poor results, as happened
[00:06:29] two weeks ago in Saxony-Anhalt.
[00:06:31] Since 8 in the morning, polling
[00:06:34] stations have been open here in Berlin and also in Mecklenburg-Western
[00:06:38] Pomerania. And in fact, we can already give you a headline, which is that the far-right
[00:06:41] Alternative for Germany, according to the polls, would double its
[00:06:45] results. The big difference is that neither of the two places
[00:06:48] will be able to govern. In Berlin, the novelty, eh, would be a
[00:06:52] new mayor, Eliferalp, a German lawyer with Turkish
[00:06:55] roots, eh, who could govern for the first time
[00:06:59] without being from the CDU or the SPD, she is part
[00:07:02] of the Die Linke party of the
[00:07:05] left. Her electoral campaign has focused on issues such as
[00:07:09] rent, very important here in Berlin, waste
[00:07:12] collection or the price of public
[00:07:15] transport. In Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania, there is a close race between
[00:07:18] socialists and Alternative for Germany, but the focus is mainly on
[00:07:22] the CDU's results. If they fell below 5%, which at the moment
[00:07:26] the polls do not suggest, but if they fell below
[00:07:30] this 5%, they are at 6 or 7 depending on the poll, eh,
[00:07:33] the party could be left out of the regional Parliament and this would be
[00:07:37] a complete defeat for the conservatives with consequences
[00:07:40] here in Berlin. In fact, some believe that it could
[00:07:44] unleash the replacement of Chancellor Frichmets
[00:07:47] here in the capital. The outcome of all this from
[00:07:50] 6 p.m. The debate on the expansion of El
[00:08:02] Prat airport has rekindled this week with the demonstration against it called
[00:08:06] for today by the Zeroport collective.
[00:08:10] Also because this Tuesday, the Council of
[00:08:13] Ministers approved the Aena plans until
[00:08:16] 2031, which already include items allocated
[00:08:20] for the expansion. The technical
[00:08:23] work, the extension of the sea-side
[00:08:27] runway, still need to be
[00:08:28] specified.
[00:08:33] Well, we're talking about all of this now with the Civil Engineer, Canals and Ports and
[00:08:36] Transport Professor at the Polytechnic University of Catalonia,
[00:08:40] Professor Francesc Robuster. Good morning!
[00:08:42] Thank you for coming, good morning, good morning, as we were saying, this Tuesday the
[00:08:46] Council of Ministers approved this known as Dora 3, these are
[00:08:50] Aena's plans until 2031, it's an investment
[00:08:53] of 1.760
[00:08:57] million euros at El Prat between
[00:09:00] 2027 and 2031, they include items
[00:09:03] allocated for the expansion, as we said, but the most controversial one still needs to be
[00:09:06] specified, eh, Professor, how do you evaluate this Dora
[00:09:10] 3 and what does it really mean for
[00:09:12] Catalonia? Well, the evaluation is
[00:09:16] that
[00:09:18] it was about time,
[00:09:21] a controversial
[00:09:25] the short runway,
[00:09:27] the one closest to the sea, which would affect the Ricarda
[00:09:31] wetlands first, but now it also touches the
[00:09:35] beach a little, and this is postponed,
[00:09:38] not this Dora plan
[00:09:43] until 2031, but beyond. What this
[00:09:46] Dora 3 plan does is to reserve some money
[00:09:50] to do studies, projects, reach a
[00:09:53] consensus, etcetera, 191 million
[00:09:57] euros to do these things. Therefore, the
[00:10:00] runway is parked because it is a
[00:10:03] complicated, controversial issue, etcetera, that
[00:10:06] needs consensus, maturity and they are doing something
[00:10:09] intelligent, which is to expand the surface. We
[00:10:12] need it now, not five
[00:10:15] years ago.
[00:10:17] We will talk about the most controversial issue, this extension of the runway, in
[00:10:21] a moment. This Dora 3, when should it be applied?
[00:10:26] It will start to be applied, it is approved, eh, there are some small
[00:10:29] procedures left, it was published yesterday in the BOE,
[00:10:32] therefore it will start to be applied next year
[00:10:35] 2027 until 2031,
[00:10:38] indeed, this money that has been advanced,
[00:10:41] 1.760 million euros for El Prat only,
[00:10:45] then there are others for other airports in
[00:10:48] Catalonia, are for
[00:10:52] the TU, of the new terminal of 2009,
[00:10:56] 70,000 square meters towards
[00:10:59] the parking lot, extending backwards and a comprehensive
[00:11:04] the T2 of the Olympic terminal, eh a comprehensive reform and
[00:11:07] then there are some technical issues
[00:11:09] ehm
[00:11:12] eh that also include this budget and 100, I already
[00:11:16] said 141 million euros to do studies, projects,
[00:11:19] etcetera, of the extension of the new short
[00:11:22] runway, eh, the sea runway. The satellite
[00:11:26] terminal, but this is only a
[00:11:29] project, eh, not execution. Clearly,
[00:11:32] professor, we have continuous growth since
[00:11:36] 1992. Are we late with this expansion of El Prat
[00:11:40] airport? We are late, we are late, we are late, at
[00:11:43] least five years or ten years,
[00:11:47] look, eh, last
[00:11:50] year, eh, we reached
[00:11:53] 57.5 million
[00:11:55] passengers, the theoretical capacity, which I
[00:11:58] say, is not a strict capacity like a
[00:12:01] glass, a glass that has this capacity of water, if you pour a little more
[00:12:05] it overflows, it's not like that, it's a little more flexible, but the theoretical
[00:12:09] capacity is 55,
[00:12:11] we did 57.5 with a
[00:12:15] growth of 4.4%
[00:12:18] annually, but this growth has already
[00:12:22] increased because now in summer several months have been
[00:12:25] compared and eh the growth is already
[00:12:29] 6% compared to last year, so taking an average of
[00:12:32] five, this year 2026 we will end
[00:12:35] with 60 million passengers and if we make an
[00:12:39] extrapolation to the year 2031, which is when
[00:12:43] Dora 3 ends, if this 5%
[00:12:46] growth is maintained, we will have
[00:12:49] 77 million passengers with a capacity
[00:12:52] of 55, which is unsustainable. 40%,
[00:12:56] 10% can be assumed, 10 or 15%, but 40%
[00:13:00] no. Clearly, eh, professor, you just
[00:13:03] gave us very clear data. Really, every
[00:13:06] year, we, from the media, always announce with headlines
[00:13:10] these new records that are being achieved in
[00:13:13] passengers and, eh, operations.
[00:13:16] Ehm, can we already speak of a saturated
[00:13:20] airport, although, as you said, there is a little more margin in this
[00:13:23] sense, right?
[00:13:25] No, we are reaching the limit, eh, we are reaching the limit. We will notice
[00:13:29] this every day, every year that passes we will
[00:13:32] notice it, but look, eh, we are talking about
[00:13:36] Dora 3, we have not talked about Dora
[00:13:38] 2, which is the one that was
[00:13:42] eh, not agreed upon because, eh,
[00:13:46] they were going ahead with the expansion of the runway
[00:13:50] 500 m over the Ricarda, even touching the
[00:13:53] the... the waterline
[00:13:56] and, eh, it was blocked and
[00:14:00] then the punishment at that time was foreseen, eh, in
[00:14:03] 2022, 2021 when it was presented,
[00:14:06] 1.700 million euros were foreseen to do this, yes,
[00:14:10] build the runway, eh, extend the runway, the satellite
[00:14:13] terminal, eh, practically nothing was
[00:14:17] done, only 200 to 250 million
[00:14:20] have been invested in five years
[00:14:24] of the total, almost 6.000 million euros in profits
[00:14:28] generated by Barcelona airport, which is the jewel in Aena's crown,
[00:14:32] which generates 55% of the
[00:14:34] profits of the entire Aena network.
[00:14:38] These numbers were precisely revealed
[00:14:41] yesterday, because yesterday,
[00:14:44] eh, the Dora 3
[00:14:47] figures were published for the first
[00:14:51] time, showing Aena's income and profits.
[00:14:55] Eh, we know that Barcelona airport generates the most profit
[00:14:59] with 55%. Revenues in 2025
[00:15:02] were 6,278 million euros, and
[00:15:05] profits in 2025 were 2,185
[00:15:09] million euros.
[00:15:11] Eh, half of this is thanks to Barcelona airport, and
[00:15:15] then they return to us with minimal
[00:15:19] maintenance of, eh, 200,
[00:15:21] 250 million, with a... we already know that many parts of
[00:15:28] T2, are falling apart.
[00:15:31] I understand then that it is an investment
[00:15:35] eh. expensive or insufficient, now you evaluate it, eh, taking
[00:15:38] into account this money that the airport brings to Aena, the
[00:15:42] Barcelona airport, El Prat. Indeed, indeed,
[00:15:46] eh, 1,760 million euros seems like a lot of money,
[00:15:49] but considering that Barcelona
[00:15:53] airport generates more than a thousand
[00:15:55] million euros in profits every
[00:15:59] year, it is not that much money, and even
[00:16:02] more so if we compare it with Madrid-Barajas
[00:16:06] airport. They make this investment
[00:16:09] multiplied by 2.5. In
[00:16:12] Barajas, the investment will be
[00:16:14] 4,477 million euros in Barajas,
[00:16:18] which has slightly more passengers than Barcelona, but only slightly
[00:16:22] more. By the way, this slightly more is
[00:16:25] because they count, as Barajas is a hub,
[00:16:29] it is a connection airport. Barcelona has very
[00:16:32] little connection, 8%, Barajas has 30%.
[00:16:36] These passengers and aircraft
[00:16:38] are counted twice, eh, if someone comes from South America and wants to come
[00:16:42] to Barcelona, it counts as one from South America
[00:16:45] to Madrid, plus Madrid- Barcelona, two.
[00:16:49] If we removed this double counting and
[00:16:53] simply counted the passengers who go from origin to
[00:16:56] final destination through an airport,
[00:17:00] Barcelona has been bringing more passengers than Madrid for a long
[00:17:04] time. Professor, what is the main
[00:17:08] limitation of the airport
[00:17:11] terminals, the runways, all
[00:17:14] of it, all of it, all of it, because note
[00:17:18] that the capacity of the runways
[00:17:22] has been reduced for noise reasons for the
[00:17:25] residents of Gavà Mar and Castelldefels, Gavà, Castelldefels
[00:17:28] beach. It has been reduced from 90 operations per
[00:17:32] hour to 78, eh, due to noise, mm. So
[00:17:36] what is being done is to fill the off-peak
[00:17:39] hours, eh, to fill the
[00:17:42] planes, the aircraft, as much as possible,
[00:17:46] eh, and then the passengers are
[00:17:50] increased, trying not to exceed
[00:17:52] these 78 operations, which are landings and
[00:17:56] takeoffs per hour,
[00:17:58] eh, with the maximum, eh,
[00:18:02] in summer they reach 14
[00:18:06] hours. capacity
[00:18:10] 14 hours, eh, we have few hours left,
[00:18:13] of course, because we cannot run the airport 24 hours, people
[00:18:16] would have to sleep nearby, no, so, at
[00:18:20] most we have 16 hours of capacity, now we are
[00:18:24] at 1100 operations per day in
[00:18:27] high season, the maximum is 1200,
[00:18:30] 1250 operations per day, mm, and the
[00:18:34] maximum, and regarding passengers, I already told you that... the
[00:18:37] theoretical capacity is 55 million in the two
[00:18:40] terminals, eh, we are already, this already happened
[00:18:44] two years ago, I have been saying it in
[00:18:47] some technical publications and people, well, as
[00:18:51] if it always rains, no, eh,
[00:18:54] two years ago we already passed the 55, the ceiling of 55,
[00:18:58] last year 57.5, this year 2026 we will finish
[00:19:01] with 60, eh, with the growth
[00:19:05] forecasts, eh, clearly 60 over 55 can be
[00:19:08] absorbed, now, mm, the next few years will be years of
[00:19:12] suffering.
[00:19:15] Clearly, with these data, these figures, it is clear, eh, we
[00:19:18] can all get a very good idea of what the real and
[00:19:22] current situation is at El Prat
[00:19:26] airport. Ehm, how would the construction of this satellite
[00:19:30] terminal help, eh, to decongest all
[00:19:33] this, especially all these passengers?
[00:19:37] Well, eh, I have already said that what Aena proposes, which I say is
[00:19:40] intelligent because it is the most pressing
[00:19:43] need, is to expand T1 by 70,000
[00:19:47] square meters, gaining space in
[00:19:51] the parking lots at the back. And therefore this, but
[00:19:55] of course, we will have this in 2031, I already say that
[00:19:57] we will suffer during this five-year
[00:20:00] period, we will suffer. And this we will have, 70,000
[00:20:04] m2 is half of the satellite, eh, the satellite
[00:20:07] is 150,000 m2, of course, what happens is that
[00:20:10] the satellite is very
[00:20:13] the runway, to the extension of the short runway and as this is
[00:20:17] delimited, the limits of
[00:20:21] network etcetera, have to be touched,
[00:20:23] today there is a demonstration against
[00:20:27] it, etcetera, Aena what it does is to
[00:20:30] postpone it to the other Dora
[00:20:32] four that will be from 2032, five
[00:21:10] The project in principle that is on the table,
[00:21:14] at least in 2025, was the extension of 500
[00:21:17] meters. This, ehm,
[00:21:20] is the action, therefore, do you think it is necessary
[00:21:23] to extend it 500 meters?
[00:21:26] Well, here we would
[00:21:28] have to get into things. What
[00:21:32] I want to say first is that this is not proposed in Dora
[00:21:36] 3, eh, it is not proposed, eh, simply, eh,
[00:21:40] there is a reservation of money
[00:21:43] of a thousand, eh, pardon, 191 million euros to do
[00:21:46] studies, to study it,
[00:21:50] for the extension of the runway and for the, eh, for the satellite terminal
[00:21:54] and the SATE, the system, the automatic baggage
[00:21:57] transport system and the people mover, which obviously if you have a
[00:22:01] satellite terminal like Madrid's T4S,
[00:22:04] you have to have a mechanism to
[00:22:07] transport the passengers and their
[00:22:10] luggage, so this is not included in Dora
[00:22:14] 3. Now the issue, eh, the philosophy, well
[00:22:18] this really comes down to... what kind of country do we want?
[00:22:22] If we only want a country of tourism
[00:22:25] with low salaries compared to tourists,
[00:22:29] mh, eh, or do we want a country of research,
[00:22:32] innovation, etcetera, or a country
[00:22:35] of everything, eh, that, eh, eh,
[00:22:39] ehm, was proposed during
[00:22:41] the time of President Aragonès, an idea
[00:22:45] that came from an economist who was president
[00:22:48] of Airports of Catalonia, Daniel
[00:22:51] Albalate, and we had to study it at the UPC and
[00:22:55] we just had an agreement, an agreement to study it and the elections
[00:22:59] were brought forward and the agreement was not signed and therefore we have not
[00:23:03] studied that it was to use
[00:23:05] eh the runway, put some
[00:23:09] traffic lights like traffic lights, not on the streets,
[00:23:13] no, the long inner
[00:23:16] runway, ehm, is used for
[00:23:21] landings only. The short sea runway
[00:23:24] is used, which is 2,660 m, it is used
[00:23:28] for takeoffs and then they are made to turn 60 degrees towards the sea to
[00:23:32] reduce the sonic boom.
[00:23:34] There are wide-body
[00:23:38] aircraft, which need more runway, more than
[00:23:41] 2,660 m, they need to take off from the
[00:23:45] long inner runway, this naturally
[00:23:48] creates interference with this segregation
[00:23:52] of operations. Then, eh, this Daniel Albalate came up with
[00:23:56] the idea, why don't we put traffic lights, a traffic light
[00:23:59] that from such and such a time to such and such a time in July and August
[00:24:02] from 10 in the morning to 2 in the afternoon, the long
[00:24:06] runway is for takeoffs, which is when these
[00:24:09] white-body aircraft that need this
[00:24:12] runway length use it, how many are there? 1%? Only
[00:24:16] 1% of aircraft need this length
[00:24:20] greater than 2,660 m, the rest
[00:24:24] of the aircraft, even the largest ones, the wide-body
[00:24:28] ones, which are 6% of the
[00:24:31] total, the rest, this 5% of the total can
[00:24:34] use the short runway, so it was a plausible
[00:24:38] idea, but it had to be studied, eh, it had to be
[00:24:42] studied because you can imagine that safety is very
[00:24:45] important in the airport world,
[00:24:48] and, eh? Therefore, ehm, I think
[00:24:52] that with a package of measures, such
[00:24:55] as this, perhaps centrifuging
[00:24:58] a percentage, not all, of low-cost operations
[00:25:01] to Girona and Reus, eh, a series,
[00:25:05] a package of measures, ehm, it is not necessary
[00:25:08] to expand so much,
[00:25:11] mh, perhaps some hundred meters yes, but it is not necessary to expand
[00:25:15] these 500 meters, which, by the way, are not, the
[00:25:19] 500 meters are no longer totally on the Ricarda,
[00:25:22] practically all of them are on the Ricarda and there are about
[00:25:25] 60 meters that are on the beach
[00:25:29] as well. It also plays with 60 m of a safety
[00:25:33] distance that is called eh
[00:25:36] RESA (Runway End Safety Area)
[00:25:39] which are 240 m that must be green, eh, not
[00:25:42] paved but green for safety, and
[00:25:45] 60 m of pavement are taken, well, everything that has
[00:25:49] been tried. An optimization has been made, the runway
[00:25:52] has been moved a little to the south, about
[00:25:55] 60 m, so that it does not touch the water sheet so
[00:25:58] much at the beach and generous compensations
[00:26:02] are proposed, eh, for
[00:26:06] from the wetland area, to create 10 more square meters
[00:26:10] eh around. Clearly, here the controversy focuses mainly
[00:26:14] logically on the preservation of this protected natural area of La
[00:26:17] Ricarda and also, very importantly, the acoustic
[00:26:21] pollution that this expansion of
[00:26:24] El Prat airport entails. Ehm,
[00:26:28] why hasn't the necessary island been built for the
[00:26:32] residents, ehm, to avoid all this
[00:26:36] acoustic impact, as Aena has done, for example, in
[00:26:39] What should be done in this regard, Professor? I think
[00:26:43] I think that something has been done, but
[00:26:47] it's a little a few million,
[00:26:51] uh, of euros of investment in Madrid, 170 million
[00:26:54] were invested in Barajas. 170 million. The
[00:26:57] closest houses were expropriated at market prices,
[00:27:01] uh, not those expropriation prices that are
[00:27:05] always 10%, no, at market prices. Your house
[00:27:09] is a big house, it's worth 2 million, 3 million euros,
[00:27:13] two or three million euros, and they were isolated. But
[00:27:16] thousands of houses, 170 million euros here in
[00:27:20] Barcelona. Uh, I don't know the figure because
[00:27:23] also, uh, we should also ask for a bit of transparency. Uh,
[00:27:27] AENA is a public entity,
[00:27:30] uh, I know it's mixed, but the
[00:27:33] public wins, uh, 51% public,
[00:27:36] 49% private. It's public, uh,
[00:27:40] any lawyer, uh, will be able
[00:27:43] to tell you. We want a bit of transparency, we want the
[00:27:46] figures, we want, we want, uh, the profits to be published and which
[00:27:50] airport gives these profits. It's a
[00:27:53] curiosity, uh, but it's that I think
[00:27:56] uh, it's not acceptable for a public entity
[00:28:00] to hide the figures of the results of its
[00:28:04] operation. Therefore, in Barcelona, something has been done.
[00:28:06] I don't know the
[00:28:10] quantity, a very small quantity of
[00:28:13] isolations, but in Madrid, 170
[00:28:16] million euros have been invested. Well, we want the same, an investment of 170 that is not
[00:28:20] contemplated in Dora 3.
[00:28:24] Well, uh, we have to leave it here. It has been a pleasure. We have
[00:28:28] tried to put figures, we have tried to
[00:28:31] put data, and also clarify what
[00:28:37] the Prat airport means. Thank you, the engineer of Roads, Canals and
[00:28:40] Ports and professor of Transport at the Polytechnic
[00:28:52] back.
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