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[00:00:22] station, and therefore to know what the train circulation
[00:00:26] is like at this time, but first the headline on the table: where are we
[00:00:29] today? Compared to 24
[00:00:31] hours ago, with a strike called precisely for
[00:00:35] railway safety, by drivers who already called it at the beginning
[00:00:39] of the year, after the accident in Adamuz on this same
[00:00:42] line, the safety,
[00:00:46] the lack of safety breaks the Spanish railway system.
[00:00:49] I think that's the reality of the day, without a doubt.
[00:00:53] Today was not the day for a strike of these
[00:00:55] characteristics. Well, I think we are in a context
[00:00:59] of a loss of confidence, this is very
[00:01:02] worrying in an infrastructure that is absolutely
[00:01:05] necessary and that is a top-level public service. It has
[00:01:09] happened in our country for some time with commuter trains and
[00:01:13] now it is happening with high-speed rail. The train and the headline, Ferran, is efficient,
[00:01:16] it is safe and it is sustainable, I don't know, I have, I have things to accumulate, I think we are facing
[00:01:20] what happened is a maximum misfortune with many victims and victims that
[00:01:24] everyone can ask if it could have been avoided, I think the question
[00:01:28] of many people is how can this happen? Yes, to add, because I totally
[00:01:32] agree, I think we will have to wait for the results of the investigations, but as of today
[00:01:35] and despite the fact that the train is a safe means, the
[00:01:39] feeling of security regarding this vehicle is clearly growing. Let's go to Girona,
[00:01:43] I said with Eva Geronés, Eva Geronés, Girona station, how is this
[00:01:46] strike
[00:01:47] being felt?
[00:01:51] Well, here in Girona these minimum services are also being complied with, and this
[00:01:55] means that at this time, at 9 o'clock,
[00:01:58] long-distance trains. For example, two have been cancelled,
[00:02:02] both were going towards Figueres. We have spoken with some
[00:02:05] of the users who had to travel and who have told
[00:02:09] us that they have been rebooked on the next train. As for
[00:02:13] Rodalies, we are at
[00:02:16] the mid-distance
[00:02:19] station here in Girona. For now, three
[00:02:22] trains have been cancelled following these
[00:02:26] trains involved in the accident, the AVE and the minimum services. What we can tell members of the Military Emergency Unit, you is that here in Girona today the incident
[00:02:30] is smaller than it would be on a normal working
[00:02:33] day because here it is
[00:02:37] obviously the high-speed a holiday, it's Sant Narcís and therefore there are many people
[00:02:39] who at this first hour who would be traveling to
[00:02:42] Barcelona or vice versa, well, today they haven't taken the
[00:02:46] train. Therefore, as you can see here in the hall there is a lot
[00:02:50] of calm, people are arriving in drips and drabs
[00:02:53] as they find that the train they planned to take
[00:02:57] is not running, so they are rebooked on their...
[00:03:15] of all, obviously, the railway
[00:03:18] family today expresses condolences because
[00:03:21] among the victims is the driver of
[00:03:25] the AVE train that yesterday collided with this
[00:03:28] Irio train.
[00:03:34] launched yesterday after I don't know if you want to add anything about this accident or about this issue, Mr.
[00:03:35] Cárdenas.
[00:03:39] Well, quite a lot
[00:03:41] 37 survivors of was said yesterday with all the news that kept coming,
[00:03:44] audios and situations that happened. Today we will have 5
[00:03:48] minutes of silence at 12 noon in mourning for the
[00:03:51] victims who were already colleagues and
[00:03:54] the injured, we also have injured colleagues, so well, it's
[00:03:58] it's quite an important day.
[00:04:00] Because in the end, something stays inside you, thinking that
[00:04:04] our job is to travel on these trains or any of us on
[00:04:08] per line, normally, we have it like that in commuter trains, that tomorrow it could happen to you, so that fear, that
[00:04:10] resentment, you always have it there and it's
[00:04:12] that are here, eh, inside complicated, just as it can happen to passengers who are afraid. The way to
[00:04:16] solve it is to comply, comply, comply and comply, and for
[00:04:19] that, other things need to be done that politics has to decide.
[00:04:23] Yesterday after this accident, you questioned that it could be attributed
[00:04:27] to human error, you defended that the safety system should have prevented the
[00:04:30] collision. After having listened to Minister Puente, do you still think the
[00:04:34] same?
[00:04:38] Let's see, the situation was that we didn't have the necessary
[00:04:42] information. As the day progressed, the information became
[00:04:44] clearer, and much more so when yesterday, I don't remember if it was 8 or 9 at
[00:04:48] night, those leaked audios of the
[00:04:52] conversations of the command post with the driver came out. It's clear that
[00:04:55] there's human error because the technical system failed, because otherwise
[00:04:59] it's impossible for trains to collide today with the safety systems we
[00:05:02] have. If the technical system fails, that's when human
[00:05:05] decisions come in, and that's when it can happen because you have to
[00:05:09] sort of touch
[00:05:11] yesterday, it was not the it, I have to tell him, 'Hey, they have to give me permission.' For me to be able to pass that signal or to be able to continue
[00:05:14] at normal speed as the colleague told him. In the end, you have to listen
[00:05:18] to all the videos and
[00:05:21] all the conversations that took place to have a
[00:05:24] deep analysis. That came out yesterday, I suppose it came out because of someone's
[00:05:28] interest, no, you don't have to say that, but in the
[00:05:31] end, at least it's already orienting and we have a more
[00:05:35] global and much more accurate vision of what happened, for whose interest, Mr.
[00:05:38] Cárdenas?
[00:05:42] Well, I don't know, whoever leaked it,
[00:05:45] I guess, I have no idea, I don't go that far, I'm not
[00:05:48] looking for that, we're talking about people, both colleagues
[00:05:51] and passengers who unfortunately
[00:05:54] already total 68, if I'm not mistaken,
[00:05:57] and the least I can think about is whether
[00:06:01] this benefits one or another, whether it's a party, a company,
[00:06:04] whatever it is, here we have to think about the people and the families who have
[00:06:08] these losses, who are having a bad time, if not worse, therefore the rest is
[00:06:21] that it will surely grow as the rescue operations under the
[00:06:24] scrap metal, these large cranes that we have seen and that we are
[00:06:28] seeing, work.
[00:06:30] You from the unions also believe that it is inexplicable as
[00:06:34] the minister said. I say this because something that cannot be
[00:06:37] explained can happen again because you don't know why it happened,
[00:06:41] right?
[00:06:46] It doesn't happen because of that, the system, the system fails, the system
[00:06:49] stops, so everything stops and to be able to start
[00:06:53] it, in this case the drivers have to receive orders from the command
[00:06:56] post, that person is there for that, that is, this person is there for
[00:06:59] when there are problems, he is the one who decides, who commands, who orders, because he has the complete vision of the entire
[00:07:03] line, from Madrid to Seville, he sees everything and he is the one who has to end up
[00:07:07] deciding, you go first, you go after, you wait, you don't, you do, you
[00:07:10] overtake, you don't, he is the one who commands. He is, with all due respect, the
[00:07:14] railway traffic "Motsú de Escuadra", okay, the one who directs at the state
[00:07:18] level or on that specific line what needs to be done. Therefore, that
[00:07:22] person, with the audios from yesterday, made some
[00:07:24] decisions. It is true that we don't know the times, that's why
[00:07:28] I say that we still need to finish the information because we still don't know
[00:07:32] what information was given first, if it was given first to the AVE train that was
[00:07:35] behind or to the Irio train that was ahead, to go forward to the
[00:07:39] female driver, that is
[00:07:43] tells us, I don't know what you would have done, first try to get the train that is
[00:07:46] ahead out, and then try to get the train that is behind out, I think that's obvious, well, nothing
[00:07:50] else, so why didn't that
[00:07:54] happen, because when the colleague says that she can't leave because her ZB isn't restarting
[00:07:57] properly, the other one tells her, "Well, when you can, don't worry, when you can," but
[00:08:01] they don't warn the one behind if they've already given him permission to continue at normal speed,
[00:08:05] there's a small problem there, that's where the gap is, that's why a
[00:08:09] solution, and I say possible solution, would be to share that kind
[00:08:12] of decisions with more people, I don't know, to follow the
[00:08:15] saying that four eyes are better than two, that is, it's more possible that two people can
[00:08:21] the control room, Mr. Cárdenas, but wait a minute, wait a minute, because
[00:08:24] inside the room, I've never been to Adif's control room,
[00:08:27] but with the audios and with the
[00:08:30] recordings, other voices are heard, there are other
[00:08:34] people, in fact, questions are asked to someone else, is
[00:08:38] there only one person looking at all the sections
[00:08:40] because there is an auxiliary supervisor, that's what they
[00:08:44] put him as, because besides, this was
[00:08:46] explained.
[00:08:50] Let me explain what I know. We have a management center that
[00:08:53] gives us internal orders, which is from Renfe, but the
[00:08:56] circulation command post is from the
[00:08:59] Adif company. It's not my company, I haven't visited it, I don't know it, I can imagine
[00:09:03] how it works, but I'm not sure because I've never been there. Since it's another
[00:09:07] company, they will work in a certain way, and yes, you're right, at the end of the
[00:09:11] second audio from the Wigo company, people do come out from
[00:09:14] behind saying, "Hey, that train is having problems and so on." Of course, there has to be one person
[00:09:20] commuter trains, so when there's a problem, some
[00:09:23] theoretically collaborate with others, I don't know if it stayed there, no,
[00:09:27] I repeat that since it's another company, I haven't visited it, I don't
[00:09:30] know it and company. Well, in principle
[00:09:34] an assistant and a supervisor, so two people. This
[00:09:37] is what we know from the audios, we also hear these words,
[00:09:41] let's listen, and today? And today this strike precisely to demand more railway
[00:09:45] safety, some question that they have maintained it, I don't know
[00:09:48] if you yesterday seriously
[00:09:51] considered suspending it, the reasons and why you changed your mind if that were
[00:09:54] the case?
[00:09:58] No, no, let's see, the strike was called by only one union, which is SMAF, the rest of
[00:10:01] the unions on the general company committee of Renfe have not called anything,
[00:10:05] so with all due respect, I already said it yesterday in my statements,
[00:10:09] excuse me, you have joined, no?
[00:10:14] No, no, no union has joined, let's see, we understand
[00:10:17] that it was not the moment, especially after what happened
[00:10:23] moment. This can be done next week without any problem and surely it will have a
[00:10:27] massive following because after what has happened, it will have a massive following,
[00:10:30] but we don't understand that it's not the moment, as
[00:10:34] you are seeing, perhaps it is the most normal strike there has been in years and everything
[00:10:38] is functioning almost normally except for some normal exception
[00:10:42] of how we have the railway, but the rest works well, yes, indeed, from the
[00:10:45] first hour of the morning we are at Sants with a team from
[00:10:49] TV3's morning shows, they explain that
[00:10:51] precisely today the news is that all the minimum
[00:10:55] services are being complied with and therefore there are two at peak hour, two out of every three trains
[00:10:59] running, Francisco
[00:11:08] Lleida, because there too we can see
[00:11:12] strike by Semafi, and what is happening, Rut Cami, good
[00:11:14] morning.
[00:11:18] Good morning, well, we just arrived a short while ago, for now there's
[00:11:22] maximum calm. They have indeed told us here at the station that the minimum
[00:11:26] services are currently working normally, and we have been able to find
[00:11:30] out that the high-speed train that left at 7 left on time. The one that didn't
[00:11:34] leave was the 8 o'clock one, but they have provided an alternative, a bus for
[00:11:37] users, and we will see what happens with the next one that will leave after
[00:11:41] 12. We are currently seeing users entering and
[00:11:45] leaving the station, few users, some know about
[00:11:49] this strike, others don't, but we will be
[00:11:52] pending this strike that lasts all day. About the incidents that
[00:11:55] may occur here in Lleida, at the station, which for now, from what we can
[00:11:59] see and perceive, the impact is minimal. However, there has been some
[00:12:03] user who has been affected and whose train will not leave, it seems,
[00:12:07] the train that had
[00:12:16] look, it's clear that all this that has happened
[00:12:19] will also have a political impact. Let's do
[00:12:23] that later, let's do this analysis later. Let's analyze it later about the audios, by the way, I don't know
[00:12:27] if we can recover them, the audios, which Cárdenas also talked about from UGT
[00:12:30] and about the interest or not, this links me to the political impact in the
[00:12:34] campaign, but let's listen, for now what has been leaked, let's remember
[00:12:37] from a cause of an investigation that is under
[00:12:40] summary secrecy, but last night these recordings between the
[00:12:44] Adif control center in Atocha and the drivers specifically of
[00:12:48] two of the trains, the two
[00:12:51] Irio, were leaked. We also know
[00:12:55] that there was a third one who said: "No, I can't resume normal speed." What
[00:12:58] is it they tell him, what is it they tell the AVE driver
[00:13:02] first? Let's listen.
[00:13:06] Atocha.
[00:13:09] Train driver, 2080. Yes,
[00:13:13] 2080. At 08:36.
[00:13:17] Yes, this says,
[00:13:21] train driver, train
[00:13:27] driver 20
[00:13:30] 80,
[00:13:32] disconnect
[00:13:34] disconnect and reconnect and reconnect
[00:13:38] the
[00:13:43] LZB, LZB and resume
[00:13:46] march and resume march under the
[00:13:49] BSL, under the BSL with
[00:13:53] normal march.
[00:14:04] 6 minutes before, because this is the chronology that Puente explains when he appeared
[00:14:08] a few minutes before 3 in the afternoon. At 8:30, the LZB
[00:14:11] control system crashed due to an error in the computers, he said, already a 63 km
[00:14:15] section was left without the safety system, and that's why it switched to manual, that's why
[00:14:18] these orders from the control center in Atocha, Madrid. The convoys,
[00:14:22] Puente says, around six.
[00:14:35] who receives these indications when
[00:14:38] she, when she says I can't start, I can't start because it has
[00:14:42] recovered and they tell everyone to circulate, she says I can't start the
[00:14:45] train, this is the recording that has also been
[00:14:48] released,
[00:14:49] 6076.
[00:15:11] 9:15, we have the following connections with TV3
[00:15:15] teams, on the one hand, from the scene of the events, I also have
[00:15:19] Edu Vatlles from Toledo, plus Manu Alonso from
[00:15:22] Atocha.
[00:15:25] You control all these types of information, the audios
[00:15:28] we just heard, which have been leaked, what do they
[00:15:32] show? This
[00:15:35] explains the chain
[00:15:37] of errors that occurred yesterday.
[00:15:41] First, there is this breakdown of the LZB system, which is the
[00:15:44] railway safety system installed in this area and which, by the way,
[00:15:48] was in the process of being replaced by another of a higher quality
[00:15:52] standard, which is the so-called ERTMS system. When this safety
[00:15:55] system is blocked, all the trains that were in this
[00:15:59] section of the track, because we must understand that this track, this high-speed
[00:16:03] line between Madrid and Andalusia, is divided into sections, which are the
[00:16:06] so-called... So all the trains that were in this 63
[00:16:10] km section stop automatically when this safety
[00:16:14] system fails, and these audios tell us how six minutes after this
[00:16:17] breakdown, which occurs at half past eight in the morning, at half
[00:16:21] past eight and six, from the control center, they are the ones who notify
[00:16:25] the AVE train driver that he can resume march, but that he can do it
[00:16:28] at normal march, as we were just hearing. This is where
[00:16:32] railway regulations are violated, which state that when there has
[00:16:36] been a system failure of security, there is what is called in railway jargon
[00:16:39] a degradation of railway security, the march must be resumed
[00:16:42] with a visible march, that is, with a maximum
[00:16:46] speed of 40 km/h, so that the driver, say,
[00:16:50] say, but here in this conversation there are two people who do not respect this norm that you just said,
[00:16:54] which is the one who is giving the order from
[00:16:57] Atocha and the one who is receiving the order, which is the AVE driver, because
[00:17:01] we do know, because it has emerged, that there is another driver who, when he receives
[00:17:05] this same order from Atocha, presumably from the same
[00:17:08] person, but this audio, no, no, we don't have it,
[00:17:11] he says: "Excuse me, but this has to be 'marcha vista'," which is the railway
[00:17:15] jargon, "listen, at 40 km per hour, so that way
[00:17:18] you can brake, you can
[00:17:21] brake a train of these characteristics with a weight that carries
[00:17:24] an inertia that makes it impossible to think that at 200 km/h, 180
[00:17:28] km/h it can brake in how many meters? Wait, this
[00:17:32] on the one hand, this same thing, this
[00:17:35] must be known by both the technician at the control
[00:17:39] center and the driver, therefore here the human error
[00:17:42] is at least double, but from more people. A few minutes ago you asked
[00:17:46] Francisco Cárdenas about the management at this control center, we yesterday spoke
[00:17:50] with Adif staff and we have been able to visit in recent months the control
[00:17:53] center, not the one in Atocha, but the one at Estació de França that controls the entire
[00:17:57] Catalan railway network, and what happens when there is this railway degradation, the
[00:18:00] protocol dictates that the person who is controlling this section, because a single person
[00:18:04] does not control the entire Madrid-Andalusia line, but
[00:18:08] this section must be accompanied by an
[00:18:10] assistant who helps with this operation. It must also have
[00:18:14] a supervisor who is controlling the tasks being
[00:18:18] carried out to resume circulation normally in all this section that has stopped.
[00:18:21] Therefore, here we are talking about at least three people and then about a very
[00:18:25] large screen, you can retrieve the 23
[00:18:28] archive, we have images of both the Atocha center and the Estació de França one, there is a
[00:18:32] very large screen where you can see all these sections of a railway
[00:18:36] line.
[00:18:44] don't imagine that they have a big screen with lots of trains moving, no, it goes by sections and the
[00:18:47] section where there is a train is in red, then where there is no
[00:19:02] hours we are talking to many people, there are
[00:19:05] many engineers who tell you, "Look, I prefer more with the information we
[00:19:08] have now, not yet to go out and give my opinion or to make my
[00:19:12] analysis." Eh, there are those who say that
[00:19:15] after listening to these audios, basic rules of the
[00:19:18] railway safety system are contravened, and I
[00:19:22] literally read, but these audios that we have heard, I believe they present
[00:19:25] or show us a human error of such
[00:19:29] dimensions that the fact that this human
[00:19:32] error is possible makes it systemic, it cannot
[00:19:36] happen. Common sense says that if
[00:19:40] an automatism fails, as is the case, depending only
[00:19:43] on the success or
[00:19:46] error of a person, and I believe that this is the dark point in the
[00:19:50] management of everything when human error becomes
[00:19:53] systemic. Yes, there is also a concatenation because
[00:19:56] the first failure is the LZB system, this
[00:20:00] one, right? Which is the one that when it fails, the trains stop, which is what happened,
[00:20:03] but then there is another more primitive system but also
[00:20:07] present, which is the traffic lights, right?
[00:20:10] In theory, the AVE
[00:20:13] driver should have encountered a
[00:20:16] red traffic light that told him not to go forward because the track was not
[00:20:20] clear. They will have to explain what happened with
[00:20:23] this second system, right? And then what seems most
[00:20:26] amazing to me, although one must be very careful and very
[00:20:30] cautious because we don't know anything, we are not specialists and we don't
[00:20:33] really know the data about what
[00:20:37] happened, is that such a complex system as the AVE
[00:20:41] ends up, its final solution in case
[00:20:45] the initial safety systems fail,
[00:20:48] with a person looking at a screen. Yes, it seems like such a
[00:20:52] complex system should end
[00:20:55] up, because if it's a machine, it should end up with
[00:20:59] another machine that interprets the data on the
[00:21:02] screen and says this is not right. Wait for us to wait on
[00:21:05] this for a moment, because what can you add about what was being put on the table
[00:21:09] here? Yes, regarding what you were saying,
[00:21:13] when this LZB system fails, the resumption is
[00:21:16] done with the so-called
[00:21:20] SL system, which means the lateral signal block, which is when the
[00:21:23] driver also has to check, not only with the orders he receives
[00:21:27] from the control center, but also with what he sees as he advances
[00:21:31] along the track, he sees the signals that mark the maximum speed and
[00:21:34] also these traffic lights that determine if he can advance or not. These are
[00:21:38] traffic lights that determine if in this section of the track ahead
[00:21:42] there is a train or not. When he finds a red traffic light,
[00:21:46] he has to stop unless the control center authorizes
[00:21:50] him to do what is called a bypassing
[00:21:54] of this signal. In this audio we heard, we didn't hear that he was
[00:21:57] authorized to perform this bypassing of a red traffic light, but that's what
[00:22:01] happened because a few meters before the point where the accident occurred, there was a red traffic light,
[00:22:05] therefore this is another of the unknowns if he was authorized or not to
[00:22:09] pass this red traffic light, if it was the driver who upon receiving
[00:22:13] this indication that he could resume
[00:22:15] normal march interpreted
[00:22:20] that he could do so even if that traffic light was red. Before saying goodbye to you, what is happening behind
[00:22:24] you? Because you are at the scene, here the tasks continue with the Civil
[00:22:27] Guard, these two large cranes that we have been seeing since early morning, which have worked
[00:22:31] all night to remove large pieces of scrap metal and
[00:22:34] find victims, injured
[00:22:38] victims or fatalities because we already know the authorities say there will be
[00:22:41] more.
[00:22:44] Work has been ongoing here all night,
[00:22:48] as you said, with these
[00:22:50] efforts and with work that is largely manual, because the
[00:22:53] higher cranes that you can see behind us, we are about 200
[00:22:57] meters from the track and the crashed trains, are
[00:23:00] holding some of the wagons that had fallen down the embankment and had a
[00:23:03] precarious balance, and underneath, manually,
[00:23:07] the workers who have arrived here are not only from the
[00:23:11] railway companies but also
[00:23:14] the Civil Guard, the Judicial Police, they are the ones extracting
[00:23:18] parts of this wagon. With two priorities: the first,
[00:23:22] to see if there are still bodies trapped and therefore if the death
[00:23:25] toll increases, second, to find
[00:23:28] clues that can explain the circumstances, the causes we already
[00:23:31] have clear clues, but at least the circumstances, at what speed
[00:23:35] was the train traveling, also to recover the boxes.
[00:23:38] blacks of the two trains that crashed yesterday, here
[00:23:41] meanwhile there are many tens of members of the emergency
[00:23:44] and security forces who are here, this is the advanced
[00:23:48] command center. which has been located here in the municipality of Los
[00:23:52] Lievenes, although we are close to this technical station of Urda and as you can see there is also
[00:23:55] a large presence of international press, they have told us that during
[00:23:59] this morning the Civil Guard will update the
[00:24:02] eh latest tasks that have been carried out during the day and we will see if there is
[00:24:06] also an update on the number of fatalities, but in
[00:24:10] any case here the activity today already 24 hours after
[00:24:13] this serious railway accident continues to be frenetic, well from
[00:24:17] this point to Toledo, thank you for... I suppose that
[00:24:21] in Toledo there is the Institute of Legal Medicine where the
[00:24:24] identification of the fatalities of this accident must be done, Eduard Valles is there,
[00:24:28] before we greeted Eduard, um, how is this
[00:24:32] process
[00:24:32] expected to be carried out?
[00:24:36] Well, eh, little by little during this morning the first
[00:24:39] identification of these bodies will be made, there are already
[00:24:43] 52 here at this Institute of Legal Medicine and
[00:24:46] Forensic Science in Toledo, there are two more also at the Institute
[00:24:50] of Legal Medicine in Ciudad Real. Eight autopsies have already been performed.
[00:24:53] In fact, during today, in principle, eh,
[00:24:57] autopsies should be performed on the rest of the bodies
[00:25:02] the Institute and what we see here behind me is all the
[00:25:06] eh the deployment of the military, of the
[00:25:09] UME, with trucks, with eh, with cars, in
[00:25:13] fact, they have also mobilized auxiliary tents for this eh
[00:25:17] institute because the capacity of this institute of legal
[00:25:21] and forensic medicine is not enough, so far what we have seen is forensic
[00:25:24] doctors arrive, about twenty,
[00:25:28] some mobilized by the Ministry of Justice, and what we saw
[00:25:31] just a few moments ago, Ariadna, is how a
[00:25:35] family member approached, asked the police what
[00:25:38] she had to do, she was asked to return to the Civil Guard headquarters very
[00:25:42] close to where we are now because that is where the
[00:25:45] DNA is being collected where these reports are being
[00:25:49] filed. eh of disappearance eh, to give you a
[00:25:52] bit of an idea of the process of how it should be done or how
[00:25:55] it is being done eh all in all, first these family members have to go to the
[00:25:59] Civil Guard headquarters to report the
[00:26:02] disappearance of their family member, they are interviewed where they are
[00:26:06] asked for example, in which wagon they were traveling, what
[00:26:09] clothes they were wearing, all that information that helps the
[00:26:13] forensic experts to identify the victims, finally a
[00:26:16] DNA sample is taken, finally when this
[00:26:20] identification is made, the last step logically is
[00:26:23] to communicate the death and communicate eh, who
[00:26:27] is eh the victim, who is their
[00:26:30] family member, this is a process eh... long that begins today, it will not
[00:26:34] end today all this process of identification of the
[00:26:37] victims because as happened in the Demut accident of this
[00:26:41] month of January, in many cases it is
[00:26:44] complicated, it is difficult
[00:26:47] to identify eh the victims, especially those
[00:26:50] eh bodies that have unfortunately been more
[00:26:53] damaged. Thanks to Edo Valles from
[00:26:57] Toledo and behind each of the victims,
[00:27:00] 68 so far fatalities. 170
[00:27:03] injured, obviously, with stories that will happen to some
[00:27:07] of these pardol where this center is to identify the dead,
[00:27:10] um, by the way, we hear, we hear some
[00:27:14] of the people who experienced this accident first hand yesterday, some of whom also
[00:27:17] told us this morning, others directly
[00:27:21] sent videos through social networks, through whatsapp
[00:27:25] groups, this is their testimony,
[00:27:29] this is the head of the young Renfe. Holy
[00:27:32] cow, it's also a very serious accident on the Renfe
[00:27:36] side.
[00:27:44] A sudden stop, the train starts to rattle, we grabbed on
[00:27:48] as best we could, seeing that the train was derailing and
[00:27:51] overturning, you are in shock, this cannot be happening and
[00:27:55] then we reacted and broke the window and got out through the window,
[00:27:59] we tried to get out through the windows and the doors by forcing them and we see
[00:28:02] the Dantean spectacle on the other side of a destroyed train
[00:28:06] that we imagine is the one it
[00:28:08] collided with,
[00:28:10] this man and I have pulled out people there who, we don't know what state they are in, right now
[00:28:14] I am holding the IV of an injured person, I am here helping the
[00:28:18] medics a bit, we all flew through the
[00:28:22] air, but I am reasonably well, my colleague
[00:28:25] is doing well and most of the people who were traveling in the
[00:28:29] direction of the train's movement
[00:28:34] eh all this meant that immediately eh and
[00:28:39] service between Madrid and Seville was interrupted
[00:28:43] and this will continue for a few weeks at least until mid-December
[00:28:46] which is what they are going to explain this has its repercussions
[00:28:50] also in Madrid at the neurological center of this whole high-speed
[00:28:53] railway network which is also radial Manu
[00:28:57] Alonso here in Atocha which is what is happening
[00:29:00] today.
[00:29:03] Well, here in Atocha, yes, you can feel this
[00:29:06] halt of the railway line with
[00:29:09] Andalusia, few trains arrive, if we look at the screens
[00:29:13] we see that this line, the trains of this line are
[00:29:17] cancelled, but we also see the effects of this strike called
[00:29:21] by the railway union Semaf, a 24-hour
[00:29:24] strike that affects more than 6,000 workers of the Renfe
[00:29:28] group, meanwhile the Suma 112 continues
[00:29:31] to work at the psychosocial assistance point that it
[00:29:36] the Urda accident and eh we can say that
[00:29:39] yesterday it attended a total of 86 families and
[00:29:44] the accident, perhaps the most visual sign we have here in Atocha of this
[00:29:48] accident is a small altar, a wreath of flowers with some candles
[00:29:51] that is placed right here in the arrival
[00:29:54] area of the high-speed train in Atocha.
[00:29:58] Semaf eh has decided not to call off a strike that it had already
[00:30:02] called. It was long before it was known eh that this
[00:30:05] accident had happened on October 16 because it considers that eh the reasons
[00:30:08] for eh continuing with this strike are more alive than ever and it is
[00:30:12] that according to this union well many points have not been completed,
[00:30:15] many of them related to railway
[00:30:19] safety that were agreed with Adif and with the
[00:30:22] Ministry of Transport after the accident in
[00:30:25] Damuz that happened six months ago, nine months
[00:30:28] pardon me, thank you Manu
[00:30:31] Alonso from... from Atocha, let's do something, let's recap from the
[00:30:35] explanations of Minister Puente and other data that we know, this accident that happened
[00:30:39] just over 24 hours ago, Oscar, yes,
[00:30:42] Ariadna, this is what we know right now about how the events unfolded, let's start
[00:30:46] at 7:54, which is
[00:30:49] when the first train leaves Madrid for Atocha, it is
[00:30:52] Lirio with number 60-76 which
[00:30:55] goes to Andalusia with 147 passengers on
[00:30:59] board, 6.