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[00:00:00] they had to enter to know exactly in which room he was
[00:00:04] admitted, uh, the change from ICU to ward, all this
[00:00:08] is an investigation as the Mossos d'Esquadra certainly must have done previously, Roger,
[00:00:11] effectively, no, I think there are certain actions, Toni has explained it very well, it's the information that
[00:00:15] is currently known, that we have to wait for the investigation
[00:00:19] the most serious high-speed to progress, to know what happened, to analyze all the information,
[00:00:22] no, these are public places, there are security cameras, there are elements
[00:00:26] that can show who these people are, how they acted and...
[00:00:30] therefore we have to wait for this resolution, no, therefore sometimes we can
[00:00:34] affirm that reality surpasses fiction, the couple,
[00:00:37] sorry, the couple who was there sleeping with him was not injured, no,
[00:00:41] therefore she is a very important witness and
[00:00:43] square of Urda, right in front of they were going, for example, like, sorry, it sounds like a TV series, but
[00:00:47] it seems like a series, it's incredible, were they wearing some kind
[00:00:50] of mask? We don't know that, that hasn't been commented on,
[00:00:53] by us, but it's possible that this couple, hearing the shots,
[00:00:57] must have seen something, right? Also the cameras. The hospital's security cameras also tell us that
[00:01:01] now the Mossos d'Esquadra are asking all the businesses in the vicinity of
[00:01:05] the area to see if they have images that can identify these
[00:01:08] people and we'll see, I suppose this afternoon we'll have more details
[00:01:12] and I also suppose that the medical emergency service must have activated some type
[00:01:15] of psychological support protocol for all the
[00:01:19] doctors and nurses eh of the center of
[00:01:22] the Hospital Joan XXIII because after an impact like
[00:01:25] this of security, eh, it's
[00:01:28] important.
[00:01:30] the psychological support service for both the professionals of the
[00:01:35] consequence of hospital center, because, of course, they are obviously not used to two gunmen entering
[00:01:38] there and ending the life of a patient. Now we heard the counselor
[00:01:42] explaining that this type of service has been made available for all the professionals who
[00:01:45] need it so that they can, well, eh, explain
[00:01:49] everything they have experienced and where they left, where they exited, it is
[00:01:52] known, well, they must have left through one of the, well, obviously through
[00:01:56] one of the accesses, I mean through the door, I mean not the fact that it was morning. Clearly,
[00:02:00] the comment, the comment from the bar, allow me, that everyone
[00:02:04] eh, it seems like there are more and more of them,
[00:02:07] this is true, and there is
[00:02:10] concern among the Mossos, yes, of course,
[00:02:12] memory. What evidently, the issue is that this concern of the Mossos d'Esquadra has been
[00:02:15] around for a long time, the issue is that perhaps the message was not reaching society as much,
[00:02:19] we did not see it translated into something like what is happening, no, clear, throughout this
[00:02:23] year we have had a season of crimes that completely
[00:02:27] show that these gangs feel very strong, no, let's remember the... the crime in Balmes street,
[00:02:30] no? in front of the police station, now
[00:02:34] a settling of scores inside a hospital room, let's see, I mean
[00:02:38] we've had a series of crimes that show that they are all linked to organized crime
[00:02:41] and that they show that there is organized crime in Catalonia,
[00:02:45] that there are very powerful mafias and that all this has to do with marijuana, that is,
[00:02:49] these are mafias that land in Catalonia attracted by the low
[00:02:52] penalties for marijuana trafficking, eh, and by the good
[00:02:56] distribution to other channels and to Europe that Catalonia has,
[00:02:59] of course. This leads to the fact that, in the end, the differences between these gangs are
[00:03:03] settled with gunshots in broad daylight and in unusual scenarios.
[00:03:06] Ah, we also learned today that there was a suicide in Brians, yes, this
[00:03:10] is there was one on Saturday and today we had another one and it is about
[00:03:14] a karate teacher who was condemned yesterday to
[00:03:17] 26 years in prison for abusing his students. Yesterday he received this
[00:03:21] sentence and today he committed suicide in
[00:03:24] Brians 1 prison. It's Carlos Fernández, a 67-year-old
[00:03:28] man who...
[00:03:31] identification center, which is also... integrated by the director of had been imprisoned for three years accused of having abused his minor
[00:03:34] of scientific police, and even by the heads of students from the Claret sports center. He was a Karate teacher,
[00:03:38] he had abused his students, yesterday he reached an agreement with the prosecutor's office, he admitted the
[00:03:42] facts, tonight he committed suicide in Brians, uh, well, thanks for
[00:03:45] this breaking news, Toni Muñoz, we continue, when three
[00:03:49] minutes past one, gathering all the information regarding
[00:03:53] the Toledo tragedy because another of the most delicate
[00:03:56] tasks after an accident like this is that of the forensic doctors.
[00:04:00] to identify the mortal victims and to be able to know how they work,
[00:04:03] how these professionals work, now we can greet Eneco Barberia, director of
[00:04:07] the Institute of Legal Medicine and Forensic Sciences of Catalonia, good morning doctor and thank
[00:04:11] you very much, good morning,
[00:04:14] um, it is difficult I understand that we can put ourselves in the
[00:04:18] shoes of the professionals who arrive at the
[00:04:22] first moment of a tragedy like
[00:04:24] this with dozens of mortal victims, eh, how is the
[00:04:28] work of the doctors organized?
[00:04:33] If you allow me, first I wanted to express my
[00:04:35] condolences as director of the Institute of Legal and Forensic Medicine of Catalonia to all
[00:04:39] the families, all those affected and also
[00:04:43] to support my colleagues from the Institute of Legal Medicine of
[00:04:46] Toledo and Ciudad Real who are the ones facing this tragedy at this moment. Also, I would like to say that
[00:04:50] we had offered, if necessary,
[00:04:54] a team of 10 professionals from IMELAC, the Institute of Medicine
[00:04:58] of Catalonia, to collaborate. Having said that, eh, it is
[00:05:01] protocolized. Since 2009 there is a forensic intervention protocol
[00:05:05] for these events that establishes the phases in which
[00:05:08] intervention takes place, eh, initially at the scene of the
[00:05:12] events, where a set of actions are carried out, basically
[00:05:15] the removal of bodies, eh, jointly with the scientific
[00:05:18] police and with the judicial authority, and then the
[00:05:21] second phase is carried out, which is the phase of the autopsies, of the
[00:05:25] post-mortem studies. This is basically how,
[00:05:29] yes, excuse me, no, in
[00:05:31] a railway accident like this, with a tragedy like this, with such a violent
[00:05:35] impact, eh, what difficulties do you also encounter when
[00:05:38] working and examining all the bodies?
[00:05:43] Surely the most important difficulty that the colleagues will encounter
[00:05:46] will be the degree of traumatization of the bodies and
[00:05:50] fragmentation, there is fragmentation due to the very important
[00:05:53] energy that is released from machines that weigh
[00:05:57] a lot, so this is a fundamental aspect.
[00:06:01] It is also important when identifying
[00:06:03] the nationality of the victims, surely the majority will be
[00:06:07] Spanish, this will accelerate the
[00:06:10] identification and in this way. I also wanted to emphasize that people should get information
[00:06:14] from official sources when providing information that may be
[00:06:18] of interest to compare because in the end, identifying is comparing
[00:06:21] comparing information you have in life, whether it's
[00:06:25] odontology, whether it's the fingerprints from the ID card, or
[00:06:28] whether it's a genetic profile or a family relationship
[00:06:32] with the samples and data that are obtained post-mortem, in the
[00:06:36] autopsies, which would be these same data that
[00:06:39] then have to be reconciled to reach identification. Because
[00:06:43] autopsies must be performed on all victims even if it seems obvious that they have died as a
[00:06:47] the accident? Yes, autopsies will be performed on all
[00:06:51] victims, with the aim, first, of identifying the
[00:06:55] victims, second, of knowing the cause of death, eh,
[00:06:58] in a very detailed way, surely the majority will be
[00:07:01] traumas or polytraumas, but these autopsies will also
[00:07:04] allow to extract information that may be of interest for identification, in addition to the data
[00:07:08] I told you before, you can also extract.
[00:07:12] identification if you have data, for example, a medical record, a medical
[00:07:16] device, which are very relevant data and in an indicative way, it will also
[00:07:19] assess tattoos, eh,
[00:07:22] scars, as a set of objects or
[00:07:25] personal items that can guide so that then
[00:07:28] the primary identification criteria are applied, which are the three that were mentioned before, fingerprints,
[00:07:32] forensic odontology, and the
[00:07:35] genetic profile. Doctor Barbaria, Roger had a question for you, hello
[00:07:39] doctor, good morning, yes, you explained this decree very well, this 32/2009 decree,
[00:07:42] I wanted to ask you to explain the importance of this decree for the creation
[00:07:46] of a new element such as the data integration center,
[00:07:50] the CID?
[00:07:52] Yes, the decree
[00:07:54] had two major novelties at the time, one was the
[00:07:57] mandatory collection of a sample for genetic studies and then the creation, as you
[00:08:01] say, of the data integration center, no, the CIED, this data
[00:08:05] integration center, what it does is eh combine or reconcile
[00:08:08] the information obtained from families, basically the...
[00:08:12] which they provide, which is called ante-mortem, it can be a dental
[00:08:15] record, it can be that the police provide the fingerprints
[00:08:19] from the ID card, it can be that they provide all the samples
[00:08:23] from the relatives to extract the DNA and then this is what
[00:08:27] is compared with the data extracted post-mortem, not the
[00:08:31] data you have from the autopsy or the genetic studies that are done
[00:08:34] later, this results in a joint
[00:08:37] identification document that is signed by the data
[00:08:43] the corresponding Institute, also by the heads
[00:08:47] the laboratory at the DNA practice level, and a joint
[00:08:51] report is made that is submitted to the judicial authority, and it is this
[00:08:54] data integration center that is extracting and updating all the information, it is somewhat
[00:08:58] like the forensic command center, so to speak,
[00:09:01] that handles all the crisis management and from where
[00:09:05] the official information comes out, eh, Dr.
[00:09:09] Barberia, let's make a stop for a moment because we want to go through...
[00:09:12] Sara, because in relation to everything we were commenting on the identification of the
[00:09:16] victims, eh, what is happening on social media, Sara?
[00:09:19] Well, what is happening is that the authorities are precisely warning that false messages are being
[00:09:23] spread about alleged identifications of victims
[00:09:27] of the accident. This is the data integration center that
[00:09:30] emphasizes that these communications are always made personally and
[00:09:33] in person, never by phone, but it is that the entity has been able to know that there are relatives
[00:09:37] of possible fatal victims who are receiving calls and
[00:09:41] messages via SAM. They say that supposedly the Civil Guard
[00:09:44] informs them of the identification of lifeless bodies that
[00:09:48] could belong to their relatives. They are asking those affected not to believe
[00:09:51] these messages or phone calls in this
[00:09:55] regard. On the other hand, also still on the identification of victims, the Ministry of Interior
[00:09:59] confirms that aboard the trains they already know that 42
[00:10:02] foreign citizens of seven different nationalities were traveling and that they are in
[00:10:05] contact with the corresponding embassies. Among these people, they have one fatal
[00:10:09] victim, seven injured people, 10 unharmed and 24 citizens
[00:10:13] about whom they still have no information. Eh, thank
[00:10:16] you very much, Sara. We say goodbye to Dr. Eneco Barberia at this point. Thank
[00:10:20] you very much for attending us and for explaining all the work done by the
[00:10:23] emergency services.
[00:10:34] Feijó has come, he has been to the scene of the tragedy, he has
[00:10:36] seen, we have been informed of the current
[00:10:39] situation, the severity of the accident, the
[00:10:43] number of victims, the number of injured, the situation of these
[00:10:46] injured people in the hospitals, and
[00:10:50] today he comes to check here in Urda, also to thank the people of
[00:10:53] Urda. for what they did yesterday for those
[00:10:56] affected people, for those families who were
[00:11:00] suffering the pain of both the injured and
[00:11:03] the deceased, and I want to thank the people of Urda for that
[00:11:06] dedication, everything we did, we collaborated,
[00:11:10] helping, eh, being
[00:11:13] with those people who were suffering at that moment and
[00:11:16] sharing the pain, that pain that we in Urda felt because of
[00:11:19] proximity, but that in the end affected all the nearby towns, the province of
[00:11:23] Toledo, to the...
[00:11:44] Thank you very much to the mayor for his integrity, for his
[00:11:47] willingness from the first moment to help and for the success of his help. I want to start at the
[00:11:51] beginning, and the beginning is
[00:11:55] our respect for the dead,
[00:11:57] to express our condolences to their
[00:12:01] families and to wish that the
[00:12:04] injured who are still in ICUs or in surgical blocks
[00:12:08] already in hospitalization can
[00:12:11] move forward and that the number of deceased does not
[00:12:15] continue to increase, at least of those who
[00:12:19] are currently in hospitals.
[00:12:23] It is evident that... at this moment
[00:12:26] we need a cool
[00:12:29] head,
[00:12:32] respect, but also
[00:12:37] has happened has cut short the
[00:12:40] lives of many people, but it has also
[00:12:42] cut short
[00:12:45] eh the lives of the children
[00:12:46] of
[00:12:49] the husbands or wives, of the parents
[00:12:52] of all those victims.
[00:12:58] Yesterday we saw from the accident the best of
[00:13:01] Spain. We saw a town that
[00:13:05] takes its cars and goes to the countryside where the
[00:13:07] AVE railway line crosses,
[00:13:11] we saw the pharmacist, the pharmacist of
[00:13:14] this town with an exemplary attitude and we saw
[00:13:17] how the services, the emergency services first, the
[00:13:21] health services second and the state security forces
[00:13:25] acted with enormous professionalism. That is the face of the
[00:13:28] best of Spain, because the best of Spain
[00:13:31] exists and I feel very proud to be Spanish at
[00:13:35] a time like this. I also want
[00:13:38] to tell you that
[00:13:42] after the urgent comes the
[00:13:44] important.
[00:13:47] More than 100 dead in
[00:13:51] two high-speed train accidents in 8 months and
[00:13:54] the same railway corridor
[00:13:58] entails a questioning of
[00:14:01] our current railway system. We must
[00:14:04] accept it. Spaniards need answers and Spaniards
[00:14:08] are asking themselves what
[00:14:11] is happening with high-speed rail in our
[00:14:14] country. I want to tell
[00:14:16] you
[00:14:19] that we are going to respect the
[00:14:23] dead, we are going to bury them, we are going to
[00:14:25] accompany their but it is clear that we have
[00:14:29] to make decisions,
[00:14:32] political responsibilities cannot be assumed once an investigation
[00:14:35] has concluded. In my opinion, political responsibilities are not
[00:14:39] optional, they are essential from an ethical
[00:14:43] and moral point of view,
[00:14:45] and I also want to convey that I have always been clear about it, but
[00:14:49] if anything, in recent months more than ever, politics.
[00:14:53] política.
[00:14:56] is not about discrediting, politics is not
[00:14:58] about talking, politics is about
[00:15:02] doing, and to hold a political
[00:15:05] position, and even more so if it has a technical component,
[00:15:09] three things are needed: first, experience, second,
[00:15:13] management, and third, rigor,
[00:15:16] and therefore, appointments must be made to people who
[00:15:19] have traceability and experience in the positions that.
[00:15:23] experiencia en los carros que.
[00:15:25] who are very clear that the management of public affairs is
[00:15:28] learned and rigor in management is an
[00:15:32] inexcusable requirement and therefore I will always
[00:15:36] say experience,
[00:15:43] experience and experience, management, management and management and
[00:15:46] rigor, rigor and rigor. These are the words of the leader of the Popular Party, Alberto
[00:15:50] Núñez Feijó, from the scene of the events, recognizing that the Spanish railway system has been questioned, the safety
[00:15:53] of this railway system and demanding political responsibilities
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[00:21:20] witnesses who are experiencing the railway tragedy in Urda,
[00:21:24] Toledo, first-hand, Eduard Valles, what can you tell us at this
[00:21:26] time?
[00:21:30] Well, we are in the main
[00:21:33] the town hall, in fact, at this very moment Alberto Núñez Feijó is making
[00:21:37] his statements, we heard him just before the
[00:21:40] commercial break and at this moment we have been able to talk to some
[00:21:44] neighbors, even a short while ago we saw a very
[00:21:48] young girl crying, still affected by everything this town is experiencing
[00:21:51] in 24 hours and what we find is the same
[00:21:55] feeling as when we were in Ademuz, the neighbors of Ademuz told
[00:21:58] us: what a pity that now the town will be
[00:22:01] remembered for a train accident and not for all the good things
[00:22:05] the town has. Here we had a bit of the same
[00:22:08] feeling, neighbors who told us: well, now the town of Urda will be
[00:22:12] remembered for this tragic accident that for now leaves
[00:22:15] these 69 fatal victims. Yesterday we also collected
[00:22:19] others. For example, the priest
[00:22:22] of Consuegra, one of the towns here in the area, very
[00:22:26] close to where we are now, and he told us that he was one of the first
[00:22:29] to arrive at the accident scene and that what surprised him, what amazed him,
[00:22:33] was that injured people were telling them:
[00:22:37] no, no, don't attend to me, go further because there are
[00:22:40] people much more seriously injured than me. The
[00:22:44] neighbors here in Urda also told us that they helped with everything they could, with water and
[00:22:47] food in the pavilions where we were yesterday. Eh, there was
[00:22:50] leftover food, leftover water, because the help, eh, was really
[00:22:54] very important because all the neighbors got
[00:22:57] involved, even leaving chargers to
[00:23:00] charge mobile phones and we also spoke yesterday, for example, with a
[00:23:04] psychologist, eh, who told us that everyone experiences this
[00:23:07] moment, eh, as best they can, not only the relatives but also the neighbors and
[00:23:11] she recommended, for example, to the neighbors of this area that if it was not
[00:23:14] indispensable, if it was not very necessary, that they refrain, for
[00:23:17] example, from watching television.
[00:23:22] certainly it was, well, a Dantean panorama, no,
[00:23:26] of, well, you can imagine, we can imagine, of
[00:23:30] of of of lifeless bodies, of of seriously
[00:23:33] injured people, of tangled iron, of dismembered
[00:23:37] bodies. I was impressed when some of them, who were lying on
[00:23:40] the ground, bloody, possibly with some fracture,
[00:23:43] said, "Don't come near, let them go to others who are
[00:23:47] more serious, who are further away and are more serious than us," no, so
[00:23:51] it was impressive, no. I was at mass and in front of me there was
[00:23:54] a man, bloody, his
[00:23:57] shirt, his suit was pulled back, and I thought,
[00:24:00] "If something happened to me, I would like someone to
[00:24:03] help me," so when mass was over, I told him, "Sir, if
[00:24:07] you want to shower or eat at my house or whatever," no, "thank
[00:24:11] you very much," he said, "but my wife is coming for me right now," and
[00:24:15] we have all been very supportive and if we haven't been more so, it's because we couldn't
[00:24:18] do more, but it has been the support of many surrounding
[00:24:22] towns and good people, and people, which is what
[00:24:24] needs to be done in these cases. We are trying to support the families, which is
[00:24:28] a complicated situation because the uncertainty is difficult to
[00:24:32] manage, no, not knowing, not knowing is difficult. To people who have
[00:24:35] no relation to the accident, take good care of yourselves, if you don't need to see any
[00:24:39] information, don't see it, take good care of yourselves and let each one
[00:24:43] decide to relate to this in the way they think is most
[00:24:46] appropriate. Just now we saw that there was a whole
[00:24:50] crowd of journalists who were following these statements
[00:24:54] from Alberto Núñez Feijó, he has just entered in front of the town hall, but Alena,
[00:24:58] let's also update the number of injured because we were
[00:25:01] waiting to see how the number of injured, who were mainly
[00:25:04] in the Toledo hospital, evolved throughout
[00:25:08] today. Of the 41 injured people who
[00:25:11] were there this morning, now it has dropped to 38,
[00:25:15] there have been 15 discharges in the last few hours, but
[00:25:19] it is true that the number of people who are currently
[00:25:23] in the intensive
[00:25:26] care unit, if at first hour of the morning there were 12, now
[00:25:30] there are 15, in total all the hospitals here in Castilla
[00:25:33] La Mancha, and there are still 50
[00:25:37] admitted and 60 discharges have been made in the
[00:25:40] last hours, so there are already fewer seriously injured people who little
[00:25:44] by little, this is good news, they can go back home. This is undoubtedly the
[00:25:47] best news, the injured who recovered.
[00:25:50] little by little, but undoubtedly uh, the population of Urda
[00:25:54] these next few days will continue to be very
[00:25:56] conditioned by all these tasks of Toledo of
[00:26:00] searching for perhaps remains of... of bodies still,
[00:26:03] of identification of corpses, how to face these, these
[00:26:07] next these next few hours,
[00:26:08] Urda?
[00:26:11] the truth is that these next few hours in Alena will be quite key,
[00:26:15] mainly because this death toll may still
[00:26:19] increase, uh,
[00:26:22] accident and the second most serious train
[00:26:26] accident after the one in Angrois in Galicia, therefore,
[00:26:29] these are neighbors who are... affected, um,
[00:26:33] what they were talking about and what the neighbors told us was this, what a pity that now the
[00:26:37] town is remembered for this, that it is remembered for for for this tragic accident, in
[00:26:41] fact, look if we can show it, uh, here in the square there are many
[00:26:45] people who meet, there are many people who comment on the play
[00:26:48] who talk among themselves, older
[00:26:52] ladies, it is also very important, the psychologists told us, the accompaniment, talking
[00:26:56] to the neighbors, getting it out of themselves, uh, from within,
[00:26:59] getting it out of within because we have also seen images. within its
[00:27:03] municipal term, very harsh and that it is good
[00:27:07] to comment on it, that it is good to explain it, that it is good to explain how
[00:27:10] each of these people, each of these neighbors feel
[00:27:14] to be able to little by little recover this normality that will
[00:27:17] never be normal and even
[00:27:20] more when not much more than
[00:27:23] 24 hours and even more when the trains
[00:27:26] are still on the tracks very close
[00:27:29] to here, yes, certainly because this is a town. of about 2,000
[00:27:33] inhabitants approximately Urda that, uh, suddenly
[00:27:36] all the emergency services are coexisting, the military
[00:27:39] emergency unit,
[00:27:42] um, all the search teams as
[00:27:45] we were commenting, but also all the media,
[00:27:49] mm, undoubtedly,
[00:27:52] nothing else is talked about in this town that has been marked forever
[00:27:56] by this train accident, we were also seeing what we said before that within this
[00:27:59] tragedy, the most emotional and moving part
[00:28:03] is solidarity, people have turned out to help
[00:28:06] all the people who needed it, the blood donations, these
[00:28:09] very long queues, from here also this very important call that the
[00:28:13] authorities made to be able to donate blood not only yesterday but
[00:28:16] that, uh, blood continues to be donated in the coming days as well, right
[00:28:20] Edu,
[00:28:22] edu,
[00:28:25] yes, exactly, mainly for an essential reason which is that platelets
[00:28:28] expire, so to speak, they spoil
[00:28:32] in five days, therefore, if there are many reserves today,
[00:28:35] there will be none left for five or six days from now, and that is why it is important that
[00:28:39] there are already many reserves, so all those people who want to donate
[00:28:42] blood should do so, but they should do it tomorrow, the day after tomorrow and
[00:28:46] in the coming days, and
[00:28:50] then what you were saying, many people have gathered here, the psychologists also told us that
[00:28:54] now this state of shock is normal because there are many people, it is a
[00:28:57] town that right now is not normal, it is not the countryside that
[00:29:01] these neighbors usually live in, and therefore, when the media
[00:29:05] disappear, when the Hume withdraws, when there
[00:29:08] is no longer so much police, they will be left alone
[00:29:12] in some way or in some way with the town as it was only
[00:29:16] 48 hours ago, so it is then surely when these psychological
[00:29:20] after-effects can end up appearing, it is one of the questions that
[00:29:23] some psychologists also told us, ah, stay with us Edu, that Roger also wanted
[00:29:27] to intervene in relation to everything you were commenting on, yes, I was listening
[00:29:31] very well and... when an incident happens,
[00:29:34] the mark remains forever, we have Angrois in mind, the worst high-speed
[00:29:38] railway tragedy with 80 deaths, Adamut are names
[00:29:42] that we totally ignore, I am sure that the people who are watching us did not
[00:29:45] know it and today we add another name to the sad railway history, which is
[00:29:49] Urda. What feeling, Edu, are you seeing in the town,
[00:29:53] uh, I understand that people are, as you said, giving all their
[00:29:56] solidarity, but at the same time incomprehension, incomprehension for being the
[00:29:59] center of attention, as Elena said, a town of... more than 2,000 inhabitants,
[00:30:03] whose daily life has changed forever, how do you see people
[00:30:07] and what feeling do you have about all
[00:30:09] this?
[00:30:12] Look, I was explaining before this connection that I met a
[00:30:15] girl crying, looking precisely at all the journalists who were
[00:30:19] here behind, uh, when Alberto Núñez Feijó arrived, she
[00:30:22] explained: "I don't understand it, no, I don't understand it," she couldn't understand how all
[00:30:26] this mass of journalists, of people who are covering
[00:30:30] this accident, are here. In my
[00:30:33] town, it's a bit what we said, how this town has suddenly
[00:30:37] transformed and there are really messages of much
[00:30:40] incomprehension about why this accident had
[00:30:44] to happen a few meters from this town and then it's what
[00:30:48] we were commenting on, how people try to get it out in some
[00:30:51] way, talk about it, uh, with the neighbors we can
[00:30:54] talk to, uh, they talk openly with their relatives, logically it's
[00:30:58] very difficult, in fact we haven't been able to talk.