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[00:00:00] the focus of attention, as Elena said, a town of just over 2,000 inhabitants, whose
[00:00:04] daily life has changed forever. How do you see the
[00:00:07] people and what feeling do you take away from all
[00:00:09] this?
[00:00:12] Look, I was explaining before this connection that I met a
[00:00:15] girl crying, looking precisely at the whole group of journalists who were here
[00:00:19] behind, when Alberto Núñez Feijó arrived, she explained: I
[00:00:23] don't understand, no, I don't understand, I couldn't understand how this whole
[00:00:26] crowd of
[00:00:28] trains from journalists, of people who are covering
[00:00:30] this accident, are here in my town. It's a bit what we were saying,
[00:00:34] how this town has been transformed and there
[00:00:38] are really messages of
[00:00:41] they are the symbol of the city that is born from a lot of incomprehension of why
[00:00:42] greeting now the president of this accident happened a few
[00:00:45] meters from this town and after what we were commenting on, how
[00:00:49] people try to get it out somehow,
[00:00:52] talk about it with the neighbors who we can talk to,
[00:00:55] they talk openly with their relatives, logically it is very difficult, in fact we have not been able
[00:00:59] to talk to any of them, but the neighbors need to
[00:01:03] explain, they need to explain what they have seen because there are
[00:01:06] truly critical situations, when we arrived
[00:01:10] there just yesterday and we moved to the
[00:01:13] pavilion where the first injured were being treated, we
[00:01:16] really saw people who were very lame
[00:01:20] with their shirts and pants full of blood,
[00:01:23] these are images that whether you like it or not stay in your retina
[00:01:26] and many neighbors had to see this when... they wanted it
[00:01:30] and even so they have been supportive, they have brought water,
[00:01:34] they have brought food, they distributed soup, they distributed
[00:01:37] coffee, you can imagine the displays of solidarity during
[00:01:41] especially throughout yesterday, but also throughout
[00:01:44] today, it was really moving when today
[00:01:48] you interviewed Edu, the pharmacist from Urda
[00:01:51] who helped so many people in the first moments of the tragedy who
[00:01:55] said he had gone to the pharmacy to get everything he could, um,
[00:01:59] because of course. Surely there will be many of these people
[00:02:02] who have received this solidarity, who will want
[00:02:05] to meet again later, no further than
[00:02:08] the initial impact, to be able to meet again, because it is a
[00:02:12] tragedy that will mark them for their whole lives. All of them,
[00:02:16] what is said so many times, right? They have been born again and next
[00:02:19] to them they have found these neighbors from Urda, absolutely unknown
[00:02:23] people who have surely experienced one of the most
[00:02:26] impactful and important moments of their lives, who today return to their
[00:02:29] towns, they stop seeing each other, but surely they will want
[00:02:32] to meet again at some point, as the
[00:02:36] pharmacist explained to you
[00:02:37] before.
[00:02:41] Yes, Antonio, the pharmacist, we really got goosebumps when he
[00:02:44] explained that he helped or helped yesterday
[00:02:48] a person even to place his housing.
[00:02:51] saying goodbye by phone to his wife and today he
[00:02:55] meet with them to ask them to has received the news that he is recovering in a hospital
[00:02:58] and that for him, just for... this it was worth it
[00:03:01] to be one of the first people who arrived and it was worth it
[00:03:05] surely that for the rest of his life he will have engraved
[00:03:08] in his memory he will have engraved in his head images as
[00:03:11] Antonio commented of amputations of
[00:03:15] seeing pieces of human bodies on the ground
[00:03:19] images that he will never forget and we
[00:03:23] entered the pharmacy, the pharmacy is very small, it is a village pharmacy, even
[00:03:26] so, even if it surely did not have, it is not a big one,
[00:03:30] not having great resources, he took all the bandages he found,
[00:03:34] all the pads, everything he found to be able to
[00:03:37] try to prevent these
[00:03:39] we will see if we have snow, the first snowfall of people from bleeding to death and to help
[00:03:41] them, to go there, I mean, the displays of solidarity and perhaps the
[00:03:45] pharmacist Antonio Garcia is the
[00:03:48] image, the living image of this
[00:03:51] people leave, perhaps we can start to solidarity of the town, of the town of Urda, a town as you said
[00:03:54] of just over 2,000 inhabitants, um, and in the center, I wanted
[00:03:58] to ask you also about the center, the center. of command where we see that
[00:04:02] all the authorities arrive, that all these meetings
[00:04:05] are held, well, yesterday with Minister Puente, today with Marc
[00:04:08] Lasca, Pedro Sánchez, now Alberto Núñez Feijó with Emiliano
[00:04:12] García Page who has undoubtedly taken the reins of
[00:04:16] the communication of this tragedy as president of Castilla la Mancha, what
[00:04:20] else will happen, what is expected to happen, what other authorities are expected to come here to Urda
[00:04:23] in the next few hours or next few days?
[00:04:26] For
[00:04:29] now, Alena, it's information we don't have yet. For
[00:04:32] now, the Spanish government has passed, there is also the government of Castilla la
[00:04:36] Mancha. It is a center that will remain, for now, until, logically, until the two
[00:04:40] trains are removed from the
[00:04:42] tracks. It is a command center that will
[00:04:45] continue to work in this area with all available resources, not
[00:04:49] only primarily police, civil
[00:04:53] guard, the large tonnage cranes that are starting to lift all
[00:04:56] this scrap metal, to see if they still find some more
[00:05:00] bodies. For now, what we don't know, Alena, is whether
[00:05:04] any more authorities are expected
[00:05:06] to the preservation of to pass through this control center, but it is true that
[00:05:09] now, for example, we see Alberto Núñez Feijó who first went through the
[00:05:12] command center and then came here to the
[00:05:15] center of the town where, by the way, now that we were talking about the
[00:05:19] pharmacist, he met briefly, he met
[00:05:22] briefly with Antonio García, yes, indeed, also in his
[00:05:25] statements he cited him, he spoke of his solidarity in
[00:05:29] relation to what we have Roger Heredia with us,
[00:05:33] how long can these search
[00:05:36] tasks take, also the transfer of all these
[00:05:41] the AVE from Iryo. How long will the population of Urda
[00:05:44] take to return to a certain normality? Let me,
[00:05:47] let me answer that question later, but I was
[00:05:51] very interested in
[00:05:55] the association of victims of Adamuz, Mario Samper,
[00:05:58] good morning and thank you for joining us.
[00:06:01] Hello, good morning, how are you? Well,
[00:06:04] a big hug from the start because I understand that everything
[00:06:07] is stirred up again, on January 18 you experienced a train accident in
[00:06:11] Adamuz with... 46 fatalities and
[00:06:14] unfortunately 9 months after the accident, the tragedy has
[00:06:18] been repeated, how are you experiencing it,
[00:06:22] because Mario, you were, what day were you in the
[00:06:25] Congress, in the Congress of Deputies, October 8, I think it was October
[00:06:28] 8 that you were in the Congress of
[00:06:31] Deputies and what did you tell them that
[00:06:33] day?
[00:06:36] Yes, how are you? Well, well, I warned
[00:06:40] once again, we, as a result of the
[00:06:43] interview we had with the management of the State Railway Safety Agency,
[00:06:46] based on what they told us there, which was nothing more than that they had done
[00:06:50] absolutely nothing on the
[00:06:53] railway in Spain since January 18,
[00:06:56] given these circumstances, we
[00:06:59] drafted a statement that we sent to both the agency and the Council
[00:07:03] of Ministers and the President of the Government,
[00:07:06] warning that the Spanish railway system, its high-
[00:07:10] speed, had to be stopped immediately. As
[00:07:14] they ignored us, they even replied saying that the system was in very
[00:07:17] good health, just like the minister has been saying these
[00:07:21] days, well,
[00:07:24] we took it a step further and started asking
[00:07:27] effectively that day in Congress we started asking
[00:07:31] citizens not to get on the train, not to
[00:07:34] risk, not to play with their lives getting on the train, unfortunately
[00:07:38] we were right, sadly we expected this
[00:07:41] to happen much later, but well, the Spanish
[00:07:45] railway system is really lacking, it has many deficiencies in
[00:07:48] safety and well, it was probable that this would happen,
[00:07:52] where were you yesterday when the accident occurred, how
[00:07:56] did you receive the news?
[00:07:59] Well, coincidentally I was precisely with the
[00:08:02] agency, with the Railway Accident Investigation Commission, now called CIAT, I was going to
[00:08:07] make a recommendation
[00:08:10] which we understood was
[00:08:13] necessary for the State Railway Safety Agency and
[00:08:17] well, the moment I arrived in the morning, it was a little after 9:30,
[00:08:21] they themselves were looking at their phones and a little
[00:08:23] well, scared, no,
[00:08:26] shocked, they told me, do you know what's happening? And I said,
[00:08:30] no, and they themselves were the ones who informed me. We had a meeting of about
[00:08:33] two hours and the truth is that we weren't there, we didn't have
[00:08:37] our heads in another place. It was quite
[00:08:39] shocking, I imagine, because
[00:08:43] of course, when I heard you
[00:08:45] make this call to citizens to please not get on
[00:08:49] trains, you know, they are not safe,
[00:08:52] of course, these are very forceful statements, that
[00:08:56] when you hear them from the mouth of a person who has been a victim of the
[00:09:00] Adamuz accident, you might even think he is
[00:09:03] biased because he was a victim, but yesterday this
[00:09:07] happened again, tell us Mario,
[00:09:10] the data, you have investigated a lot,
[00:09:13] you surely know many more things than us about how everything is
[00:09:17] working right now, we have
[00:09:19] listened to the audios, the audios from the Atocha control
[00:09:23] center, what data do you have to be able to make this type of
[00:09:27] statements?
[00:09:29] Well, not only us, but the data we have is what has been provided to us by the
[00:09:33] investigators themselves from the Railway Accident Investigation Commission, the
[00:09:36] drivers themselves and many technical
[00:09:40] and railway technical staff who
[00:09:43] know the situation perfectly well. Well, as
[00:09:46] some data, we can say that there are hundreds of rail
[00:09:50] breaks per year, which was what caused our
[00:09:53] tragedy, this is a
[00:09:56] fact known by all railway workers and many of those
[00:10:00] rail breaks are not detected, they are not detected in time, we
[00:10:04] had 49 trains passing over a rail break for 22
[00:10:08] hours that was not detected, so well, it
[00:10:11] is clear that there are many safety systems that need to be
[00:10:14] implemented on the railway, the luggage that was
[00:10:18] above us in
[00:10:21] each wagon did a lot of damage,
[00:10:25] in short, there are many safety measures that need to be implemented
[00:10:29] on the railway, we were not aware that there were also complaints and
[00:10:32] problems with low-speed starts like yesterday,
[00:10:35] supposedly like yesterday, and well, that's another of the
[00:10:39] problems, also complaints, in fact, today they are with the drivers,
[00:10:43] a lack of personnel that when supervising all
[00:10:46] maneuvers, for example like yesterday, a person is found
[00:10:50] alone, so as I say, there are many
[00:10:54] deficiencies and it seems inhuman and cruel that
[00:10:56] someone is capable of saying that this is a
[00:11:00] human error, yes, it is a human error because we are not on Mars, we are on
[00:11:04] planet Earth and we are men who operate the systems, but
[00:11:07] the systems are perfectly capable, they should be, so that in the event of a
[00:11:11] distraction or a physical medical problem of a
[00:11:15] driver, the trains would stop safely, the drivers who
[00:11:19] have been complaining about this lack of safety for a long
[00:11:22] time, you too. And
[00:11:26] let's go to the newsroom for a moment, yes, stay with us Mario, because we have some other
[00:11:29] important statements warning of safety
[00:11:32] failures in the railway system? Yes, these
[00:11:36] are the statements made in the Senate by the general director of Iryo,
[00:11:39] Fabrizio Favara, three weeks ago, on October 5, in the
[00:11:43] Senate, within the framework of the investigation commission precisely of the
[00:11:46] Damuz accident, he appeared as we said on October 5 and when asked about what kind
[00:11:50] of incidents his drivers had detected and communicated to Adif in this
[00:11:54] Madrid corridor.
[00:12:42] he said that it was indeed three weeks ago since these statements, but they are five days
[00:12:46] before the statements, the statements of Mario Samper,
[00:12:49] indeed, which are very striking. I wanted to ask Mario
[00:12:52] also in relation to these statements,
[00:12:55] with the leaks we were commenting on earlier,
[00:12:58] because according to the statements being made, the tragedy is attributed
[00:13:02] to human error. What do you think of
[00:13:06] these explanations and also the leaks of
[00:13:08] the audios? We think
[00:13:12] it's terrible that they want to blame it already, I remind you, I think you'll
[00:13:16] know that when we asked Minister Oscar Puente to
[00:13:19] resign, face to face in his office at a meeting we had with him in
[00:13:23] March, he told us that he hadn't welded the
[00:13:26] track, so
[00:13:29] this is the history of this country, those responsible always try to find
[00:13:33] a scapegoat, they always look for, well, in short, it was a
[00:13:36] driver in Angrois, it was a welder in
[00:13:39] Adamuz, now it's a controller of the
[00:13:42] central, I think it's incredible, a tremendous irresponsibility and
[00:13:46] cruelty, to leave all the responsibility for what has happened
[00:13:49] to a worker, a worker who is alone, who has few resources and
[00:13:53] who it is even yet to be proven that it was his fault, the
[00:13:56] responsible party here is clear and it is the main
[00:14:00] problem that the railway network has today and that is the
[00:14:03] responsible parties, those who are in charge of Adif,
[00:14:07] of the Ministry of Transport, of the State Railway Safety Agency
[00:14:11] and of the Railway Accident Investigation Commission itself, when these
[00:14:16] breathe easy and there will be another management that cares more about
[00:14:19] citizens, not like today, Mario Rugere, you had a question for
[00:14:23] him, hello, good morning Mr. Samper, I'm going to be very clear and very
[00:14:27] direct, given what has happened, do you
[00:14:30] think it's time to say enough is enough, we're going to stop all high-
[00:14:33] speed, let's see what happened and draw
[00:14:36] conclusions.
[00:14:40] Yes, some people told us after making these statements
[00:14:44] requesting the shutdown of the network, some called us
[00:14:47] crazy, that this would cause chaos in the country, well, I
[00:14:51] ask, what are human lives worth, how much, how much is
[00:14:55] the life of these 80 people worth, 80 so many people who have
[00:14:59] died on this occasion, we have to
[00:15:02] think about it, it's clear that the railway network has
[00:15:05] notorious safety deficiencies,
[00:15:09] so what are we going to wait for a fourth accident,
[00:15:12] a fifth, this never ends, we will have to stop,
[00:15:16] fix, implement the necessary safety systems, but do it now, citizens have
[00:15:20] to wake up and not let themselves be harmed any more,
[00:15:23] we cannot get on a train in these circumstances and
[00:15:27] we have to see a clear sign or
[00:15:30] a light that someone is taking responsibility and cares about
[00:15:33] citizens, what has happened is horrifying, but not just because...
[00:21:11] otherwise, on the railway tragedy in Urda. Throughout
[00:21:15] the entire program we have had the opportunity to hear from different
[00:21:18] engineers from... you also have experts on
[00:21:22] what may have happened, this big question that we still haven't
[00:21:26] been able to answer because the audios could point to human error,
[00:21:29] but why didn't technology stop the AVE train? Let's review,
[00:21:32] a summary of everything that experts and witnesses
[00:21:35] have told us. The rest of European countries have more
[00:21:39] economical options and above all options that go a little
[00:21:43] slower but go by conventional railway, not high-speed, which allows
[00:21:46] this social transport between cities to be done.
[00:21:57] Vigo and now there are quite a few circulations, so the traffic staff at Atocha have to be
[00:22:01] vigilant.
[00:22:06] A tragedy like this in a single person, an
[00:22:09] accident normally occurs due to a
[00:22:11] concatenation of a whole series of
[00:22:14] factors.
[00:22:19] responsibilities,
[00:22:22] I
[00:22:29] think we also have to understand that it is very
[00:22:31] different to be guilty than to be responsible, they are not the same
[00:22:35] thing, the impact was heard, it was
[00:22:39] brutal and then the
[00:22:42] smoke column came out, which was very large,
[00:22:45] nothing, we ran there, they were
[00:22:49] the ones who... heard
[00:22:52] everything, everything that was on the trains, the suffocations, the
[00:22:56] noises, and how people were asking
[00:22:58] for help, it deeply affected
[00:23:02] me, one of the victims, I saw his body
[00:23:05] shattered, but he was conscious, and he was talking to
[00:23:09] his wife, saying goodbye to her, telling her I love you very much, Maite, take care
[00:23:13] of the children and he said a very beautiful word for
[00:23:16] believers, that he said in his last hour, God is
[00:23:29] 0 it's time to connect to the final
[00:23:32] stretch of the program, we dedicate it to the weather forecast, we announce
[00:23:36] snow perhaps for next week in Catalonia, look how it was
[00:23:39] today, in fact yesterday it was going to Greece, this is 1500
[00:23:43] meters high, this cold air that is over Greece, we already
[00:23:46] said it last week, it seems that next week...
[00:23:53] that things change a lot and that it seems that first
[00:23:57] of all Saints will be a cold weekend, today in the
[00:24:01] afternoon some cloudy intervals, tomorrow already some first showers
[00:24:05] in the southern regions, look at this cold air from here,
[00:24:08] it will come closer to the Iberian Peninsula
[00:24:12] for next week and therefore the forecast warns that we will already talk about
[00:24:16] the sign of the snow, it will be a sunny
[00:24:20] day, but cold, and temperatures will continue to drop, drop, drop, drop
[00:24:24] and at the end of the week we will see, because this is far away, but
[00:24:29] the season, the Pyrenees for the weekend, so now that you have put on
[00:24:33] the collar, you will have to take the raincoat, we will see
[00:24:36] how we will see what will happen next
[00:24:39] week, for now this is the forecast, drop in temperatures for
[00:24:43] Halloween and then, perhaps
[00:24:46] we will start to see the first snowfalls in the Pyrenees, thank you, thank you.
[00:24:50] to all of you for following us another day, we will leave you with the regional news and
[00:24:53] tomorrow we will be back, goodbye.
[00:25:06] strike
[00:25:14] by train drivers throughout the railway network, called by SEMAF,
[00:25:17] the majority union, to demand a structural change, they say, in
[00:25:21] safety. During the morning, minimum services have been
[00:25:24] respected.
[00:25:28] The loss of confidence in Rodalies has increased the number
[00:25:31] of passengers on buses that go to Barcelona. Users
[00:25:35] of the express buses from the Maresme demand more safety and
[00:25:38] not having to travel standing on the highway.
[00:25:42] A couple or three days ago he braked suddenly and there were even people who
[00:25:46] were sitting on the ground and the people who came
[00:25:49] behind went. Nothing happens until it happens, there is no
[00:25:53] chronicle of a death foretold murder
[00:25:56] at 13, a man at the Hospital Joan 23 in Tarragona,
[00:26:00] he was admitted to the floor
[00:26:03] in Salou just last week.
[00:26:05] past.
[00:26:08] Vica is armored for the call to go out and loot businesses.
[00:26:12] Finally, it did not happen, but the student demonstration,
[00:26:15] called today also to ask for improvements in education
[00:26:18] and decent
[00:26:22] Meteocat is testing these days with a mobile radar to
[00:26:25] validate the location of the three new meteorological radars that are to be installed
[00:26:29] in the Pyrenees. They check that there is no interference and that the
[00:26:33] telecommunications work
[00:26:34] well.
[00:26:37] And today, Saint Narcissus day, we will tell you the story of the Girona flies,
[00:26:43] the legend of its patron saint. Today, Thursday, October
[00:26:47] 29, we begin the regional news.
[00:27:12] A long silence today at Sants station at 12
[00:27:15] noon, 5 minutes in which a hundred workers gathered in the
[00:27:18] hall as a tribute and in memory of the victims of the railway accident
[00:27:22] there in
[00:27:22] Toledo.
[00:27:30] Good afternoon, the crash has left for the moment. 89 fatalities and
[00:27:34] 50 injured hospitalized this morning people are still being searched
[00:27:37] among the wreckage at the accident site.
[00:27:40] Meanwhile, here in Catalonia, the consternation and incomprehension
[00:27:44] for this very serious accident has coincided with the train drivers' strike
[00:27:48] that had already been called to demand precisely more railway
[00:27:51] safety. There are minimum services, but the protest is affecting
[00:27:54] suburban and regional trains, also high speed and long
[00:27:57] distance.
[00:27:59] Many users this morning did not want to risk it. Aware that
[00:28:03] there was a train drivers' strike, they looked for alternatives and stations like
[00:28:07] Lleida had less influx than usual. In the capital of
[00:28:11] Sagrià, the minimum services on trains were completed
[00:28:14] before with destination Barcelona. The 8 o'clock train, however, was covered by road
[00:28:18] with a bus due to the absence of the train driver. Also some
[00:28:22] users have had to change their ticket. And I had to change it for
[00:28:26] tomorrow at 7 in the morning. It's a hassle, but well, with three small
[00:28:29] children I didn't want, I didn't want to risk it. At Girona
[00:28:33] station, a similar image, the agreed service was offered and with
[00:28:37] fewer passengers, all because it's a holiday for Sant Narcís.
[00:28:41] I have to go to Barcelona today for a medical appointment
[00:28:44] that I had to postpone because the day that they gave me
[00:28:48] first was a strike and today there is also a strike, it always happens,
[00:28:52] so even if nothing had happened we would still come with a bit of fear
[00:28:56] if it leaves, if it doesn't leave. No serious incidents either in
[00:28:59] regional trains where the protest is also taking place. In Sant Vicenç de
[00:29:03] Calders, the day was lived almost normally, by
[00:29:07] public address system delays of 20 minutes on average were announced.
[00:29:10] At 6 in the morning I already turned on the radio to see how it was, because when
[00:29:14] I went to sleep, I already heard something that was not right,
[00:29:18] a situation practically identical at El Clot station,
[00:29:21] without queues or crowds or last minute
[00:29:25] surprises, all of it in a new day of national
[00:29:29] strike called by the majority union of
[00:29:32] train drivers. The CMAF union demands structural
[00:29:36] measures that increase safety throughout the network. This means from
[00:29:40] better protocols in case of meteorological emergency
[00:29:43] or risk situations, to also more reliability
[00:29:47] of railway material. They do not rule out for now taking more
[00:29:51] actions. Abraham Orriols, TV3,
[00:29:53] Barcelona.
[00:29:55] So let's delve into what we were just saying, the reasons, the
[00:29:59] causes of this protest. Marc Taxidó.
[00:30:04] Well, these demands are several, as we heard, the most prominent one,
[00:30:08] railway safety, especially that protocols be established in case
[00:30:12] of meteorological alerts to be able to act, to know who should notify
[00:30:15] of the risk, they want to avoid a repeat of the situation, for example, at the beginning of October when
[00:30:19] the heavy rains affected the Catalan coast and the train drivers refused to
[00:30:23] circulate, they ask that more train drivers be hired and, as
[00:30:26] we said, more reliable trains that end the technical problems of
[00:30:30] rolling stock. In addition to this safety, they want the regulations and protocols
[00:30:34] in case of run-overs not to be cut, that errors and risks
[00:30:37] can be communicated directly with those involved,
[00:30:41] also that there can be a direct line between the unions and the state
[00:30:44] safety agency and also the labor inspection, all these measures
[00:30:47] that were already agreed upon in the last strike at the beginning of the year, after the accidents of
[00:30:51] Gelida, but that the semaf unions say are not
[00:30:55] being applied due to bureaucracy, the unions.
[00:30:58] burocràcia, els sindicats.