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[00:00:00] and that the problem does not lie in whether they had updated the new system or
[00:00:03] not, but that the plan did not work either,
[00:00:07] it is the whole thing, obviously, it is the whole thing because it is very rare for
[00:00:11] the LZB to fail,
[00:00:15] eh, but it is even more complicated for the
[00:00:17] of Spain. Asfa to stop working or for circulation to be allowed
[00:00:22] a this feeling of eh in occupied signals, it is very complicated for this problem
[00:00:25] or these circumstances to occur, so it is not new that the...
[00:00:30] fails or that the or that the secondary fails, it is that
[00:00:33] both of them have to work independently, eh,
[00:00:37] and if one fails it is, but it is
[00:00:39] simply
[00:00:42] impossible
[00:00:45] now as a result of this accident we have seen all these security mechanisms
[00:00:49] that logically you don't know when you buy a train ticket,
[00:00:52] I don't know if now
[00:00:55] you who often book train seats eh? we don't
[00:00:59] eh? no el
[00:01:00] that was. eh, the force of know it, well, we didn't know it and well, we trusted these
[00:01:04] security measures, now when you get to know them eh, and on
[00:01:08] one hand I think that in the end there is a concept called vicarious trauma, a little bit
[00:01:11] at least this feeling of vicarious
[00:01:15] insecurity from this accident, which of course there will be many
[00:01:18] people who will be in favor, I start to hear at home, for example, my son asked me
[00:01:22] but wasn't the train so safe, mom, I mean, now what, what can happen, right, so I
[00:01:25] think that we have to try in some way to do a job. each one of us socially also
[00:01:30] we will have to do it to eh understand what the real
[00:01:33] risk and the perceived risk are because right now the perceived risk we have is that
[00:01:37] I if I have to go home by train
[00:01:41] I almost prefer to go by car no but it's not a
[00:01:44] reality that the car is much more, it has much more risk
[00:01:48] so I think that all this also we will have to reposition it because
[00:01:51] otherwise it is true that now the feeling of insecurity
[00:01:55] no that when you have to take a train there are many people who are saying it, eh, so the
[00:01:59] train, what happens? that it fails, that two per three, eh, obviously
[00:02:02] there are these accidents that are a tragedy, but it is true that we will have to keep
[00:02:05] reminding ourselves that the feeling we have right now is different, right, that it is
[00:02:10] eh, we also just found out about a feeling of saying: my goodness, how will I do it now, I'm going to stop taking
[00:02:13] the train, surely there will be a drop for some time, especially with high speed
[00:02:17] eh, but really
[00:02:20] understand that it is a safe means, that there are these mechanisms and do a whole job
[00:02:23] to deactivate this fear, right,
[00:02:26] to try to distance itself from this feeling of more emotional risk to put reason into it, that is
[00:02:29] to say that this... trust is managed by putting on a scale,
[00:02:32] let's say this weighs more and this weighs less, I ask, eh, I would like to know what
[00:02:36] to do, now we are at a moment in which there is this, like a little bit
[00:02:40] this game of real risk, right? and the perceived risk right now, our
[00:02:44] perception of risk is very high, because the
[00:02:46] perception arises from the construction especially
[00:02:49] of emotions, of perceptions of experiences that we are having
[00:02:52] now, and of course, this constant exposure will give us the
[00:02:56] feeling that this balance of perceived risk of what can happen to me when I take
[00:03:00] a train, oh, I had never thought about having a train accident, I'm telling
[00:03:04] you seriously, now I see this and I say wow, watch out, so I would have to do
[00:03:07] a job to say, let's balance this, really see, obviously a tragedy
[00:03:11] can happen, obviously
[00:03:13] several accidents have happened that you are now commenting on, but
[00:03:17] the reality is that this does not happen habitually, I mean, the data tells
[00:03:20] us, eh, unfortunately two events have happened
[00:03:24] eh, in a short time, but the reality is that the train is a
[00:03:27] safe means of transport, I mean, this is something that we will have to keep
[00:03:31] repeating to ourselves and that and that the risk doesn't exist, we take it for granted
[00:03:34] when we leave home every morning that we will return
[00:03:36] to dinner and even it is more risky for me to take the car to
[00:03:40] go on the P7 than to take the medium distance now, especially if you go on the
[00:03:44] P7, yes, but surely I mean that this is
[00:03:47] a topic that I think and what Antoni says also
[00:03:51] accepting that we live in uncertainty eh is
[00:03:54] something that all of us have a life lesson to learn and that in the
[00:03:58] end these tragedies are that when you are at home you say, oh, how well you are here safe
[00:04:02] and it's like it connects you also the
[00:04:05] people from Girona that San Narcís today by the way and look we are here
[00:04:08] working for many years for the daffodils, you will take the train to
[00:04:11] return to Girona eh you will not take it for but now you who
[00:04:15] have worked on this safety issue I will go by car but for personal
[00:04:19] reasons you have interviewed all these experts on safety, you should
[00:04:23] is like a mini congress, that is be calm, otherwise, of course, what I was wondering and what I was going to ask
[00:04:26] Alba is eh should we inform ourselves more or the...
[00:04:39] it's just that he when I started to say it I thought
[00:04:42] don't say anything like a plate but we have an
[00:04:46] access, we have an access, yes, well, all the accesses hurt, it's true, but look now
[00:04:50] that you mention it, I don't mean that sometimes, for example, being informed about how these
[00:04:54] systems work and knowing that
[00:04:57] accurate. In fact, according to this same report from there are so many systems gives me security, what doesn't give me security is how it can be that
[00:05:00] we all failed, that is, until there is the investigation we don't know exactly what happened, but it is
[00:05:03] true, it is true that um this comment
[00:05:07] places in memory of the victims of is not in vain what you have made, that is, there are many people who have the
[00:05:10] feeling that it is important.
[00:05:22] No, I mean, the idea is it's normal and we have to normalize this fear and
[00:05:25] understand that we can all feel it right now because
[00:05:29] obviously we are confronted with a tragedy that in the end there is
[00:05:34] chance and of uncertainty of saying my goodness, but
[00:05:37] what you say is important and now eh fat maybe
[00:05:41] you will never call me again. I don't know, no, you know no, but I mean,
[00:05:45] no, no, no, no, no, but it's important to
[00:05:48] limit exposure to information, not to
[00:05:51] overinform ourselves, what do I mean by this that in the end what you say is to be
[00:05:55] knowledgeable about this information, know these
[00:05:58] means, not that of security are important because they help us to lower this
[00:06:02] level of feeling of risk of fear, but it is true that being
[00:06:05] hooked all day, this is what ends us and it happens to you, but with
[00:06:09] a feeling of overwhelm because we are. to digest a
[00:06:13] very painful collective tragedy, very painful, we must
[00:06:16] inform ourselves, TV yes, social networks no, what happens is that
[00:06:20] social networks are loaded with misinformation, here at
[00:06:23] least the media what you do is eh seek
[00:06:27] experts, people who can help us to calm this anxiety eh who help us
[00:06:30] a little to sort out what is the real true information from that
[00:06:33] information the wheat from the chaff and talk today
[00:06:37] today is a good day to remember that it is very important to have a healthy
[00:06:41] informative diet.
[00:06:53] minutes ago, the company or has just
[00:06:56] announced that it cancels all its trains tomorrow, Monday, due to this strike
[00:07:00] of drivers called by the SEMAF union, according to company
[00:07:03] data, this will affect about 20,000 travelers, in a statement they explain that
[00:07:07] they have made this decision unique and exclusively with the aim of avoiding further
[00:07:10] confusion. still at the
[00:07:13] stations,
[00:07:15] well, eh, this is
[00:07:22] the Toledo accident, that the Minister of Transport Óscar Puente, has asked to
[00:07:26] appear next Tuesday at 5 in the afternoon, we now know
[00:07:30] the time, the parliamentary deputation of the congress to report on the tragedy
[00:07:34] and he will go at his own request, but in fact, several parliamentary groups had already asked
[00:07:38] him to appear before Ester, yes, exactly, they had asked him in all
[00:07:42] possible ways. Specifically, the Republican Left group with Podemos
[00:07:45] Gabriel Rofián has stated in a tweet that a single person cannot be
[00:07:49] responsible for Santanas and says that the only names and surnames are the
[00:07:52] cuts of the PP and accuses the PSOE for its
[00:07:56] liberalization. Irena Montero of Podemica in these elections was
[00:07:59] grouped with the left says that it should not be days of
[00:08:03] lies or scavengers either to put all the
[00:08:06] responsibility on a worker when everyone sees that the system
[00:08:09] fails. And another parliamentary group that had. registered the request
[00:08:13] for the appearance of Minister Puente is Sumar, its candidate
[00:08:16] from the broad front, the former mayor of Barcelona, Ada Colau, has said in a
[00:08:20] tweet that the minister must appear before the deputation to give all
[00:08:24] the necessary explanations and assume responsibilities.
[00:08:27] On the other hand, Vox has filed a complaint against Minister Óscar
[00:08:31] Puente, whom it accuses of alleged
[00:08:49] we were saying this to the Minister of Transport he will appear at his own
[00:08:52] request, his parliamentarians had already asked him for explanations before and now
[00:08:56] also the Popular Party asks that Pedro
[00:09:04] request for appearance had already been made by the broad front this morning also by the Republican
[00:09:08] left and obviously I think Puente has made it very clear that
[00:09:11] if he does one thing..." is to give explanations, on Friday he will give
[00:09:14] a press conference, it will be tomorrow, we don't know yet at what time, but he will give
[00:09:18] another press conference next Tuesday we will be able to
[00:09:21] see him in the congress in the permanent deputation because remember that
[00:09:25] right now there is no congress as such, the courts are no longer functioning
[00:09:29] because there is the call for general elections and everything that
[00:09:32] has to be approved goes through the permanent deputation which
[00:09:36] to say that there are few representatives of the parliamentary groups that are
[00:09:39] chosen at the beginning of the legislature there. that will
[00:09:43] be where Óscar Puente will make this appearance
[00:09:46] and where he will have to give explanations, I think Sánchez will
[00:09:49] not do it, even if the Popular Party asks for it, eh, I think
[00:09:53] now he will want to let Puente give the explanations as he already did, for example,
[00:09:57] in Damuz, no, now
[00:10:03] the elections of the 29th eh have been suspended, sorry, officially these days, but the
[00:10:07] political readings do not stop, they do not stop because the Toledo
[00:10:11] train accident has fully entered. In the pre-campaign all parties have
[00:10:14] suspended their events except Vox and several politicians have visited the
[00:10:18] scene of the events. The Spanish president this morning opted for an institutional
[00:10:21] message.
[00:10:25] we belong to the state, from the smallest municipality to the government of
[00:10:28] Spain, we are working day and night to not
[00:10:32] only give an answer to the families of the victims, but of course
[00:10:35] also to clarify every last detail of this
[00:10:39] tragedy and of course to reinforce security so that this does not happen
[00:10:42] again. And the command center in Urda also visited
[00:10:46] today the leader of the PP Alberto Núñez Feijóo, who sent a message to Pedro
[00:10:50] Sánchez, says that political responsibilities are not
[00:10:53] optional.
[00:11:07] And on the other hand, Junts has also said that a government must assume
[00:11:10] responsibilities, not transfer them to third parties. Well,
[00:11:14] we return to Marta Monforte, I don't know if she has already
[00:11:18] outlined any point to go to her campaign tour, we also commented
[00:11:21] yesterday, because all
[00:11:25] love, the, this optimism that Pedro
[00:11:29] Sánchez conveyed in his rallies, these chances of comeback
[00:11:32] eh, anyway, eh, all this
[00:11:36] message that could be won, I don't know how this is, if it is now
[00:11:39] blocked, it is logically
[00:11:41] affected,
[00:11:44] yes, obviously it is affected, the Socialist Party knows that it faces a
[00:11:47] very tough campaign and pre-campaign that has completely changed the focus, but
[00:11:51] also say one thing, Xavier, just like yesterday about the love campaign. I'm
[00:11:55] sure that will not be the main slogan, in politics things
[00:11:59] happen very quickly, almost
[00:12:02] after tomorrow we will have the election of Trump eh, well not Trump, but the United States, the midterms
[00:12:06] in the United States we talk about this, I mean that information advances and I think
[00:12:10] that political parties also trust that obviously this must be talked about,
[00:12:14] respect must be shown to the relatives of the victims, among
[00:12:18] them former minister Fàtima Ibáñez, but obviously there will be
[00:12:21] other things that are talked about in the campaign because we will enter... campaign
[00:12:25] and in the campaign, they will hold debates and this
[00:12:28] will be very present, but there will be other elements present, but obviously it
[00:12:32] changes everything and, but on one side we have Vox that has not stopped the campaign, we also
[00:12:35] commented yesterday, it tries to eh, capitalize on the streets
[00:12:39] even though the protests it has made so far have not been at all successful,
[00:12:43] at least the ones it called yesterday and the Popular Party that is in another
[00:12:47] position that also serves, I think,
[00:12:51] the far right of Vox e try to make it have a more
[00:12:54] state vision and outside of the continuous
[00:12:58] clash that Vox makes, this can also improve Feijó's image after
[00:13:02] agreeing, for example, on the Senate that seems another
[00:13:06] almost two years ago, two days ago, right,
[00:13:09] obviously eh by the way that this does not stop, the central electoral
[00:13:12] board eh that receives complaints from the different parties about
[00:13:16] how the campaign is going eh I see now we receive the information that it has sanctioned
[00:13:20] eh Pedro Sánchez for this video eh in front of the
[00:13:23] Guernica eh where. presented no
[00:13:26] eh the panorama that may come depending on who wins if the
[00:13:30] Popular Party and Vox win and what it would mean no, the
[00:13:33] those plos and that defeat, well now the central electoral board
[00:13:37] sanctions s sanctions opens
[00:13:40] a sanction against Pedro Sánchez regarding this video
[00:13:44] of the campaign no eh I don't know in the
[00:13:47] end who who where do you think that if this has a benefit in the
[00:13:50] end we have to think that the effect can be like saving all the differences the
[00:13:54] one that happened when there is a three-ball like this and that a government has to manage it
[00:13:58] in 3/11 eh the party that aspires to
[00:14:02] govern benefits at that time it benefited
[00:14:05] Zapatero now it could benefit the Popular Party
[00:14:08] clearly I think it can benefit the right and the opposition because obviously
[00:14:12] eh it accentuates a situation of chaos people distrust
[00:14:16] the system and how something as basic as
[00:14:20] the railway service that everyone uses more or less
[00:14:23] habitually more people less. but that everyone has surely
[00:14:27] gotten on a train in the last year or two, eh obviously it
[00:14:31] can help the right and to speed
[00:14:34] up this image that the government is exhausted that things don't work even if this
[00:14:38] is supposedly a human error but it is true that it comes from
[00:14:42] a system error and this also has to be investigated why this
[00:14:46] happened I think it can benefit the right another thing is
[00:14:49] if I think the government should not only blame the operator
[00:14:53] of Renfe. or Adif that was there because this
[00:14:57] could indeed happen as it did on 3/11, but of course, at that time the
[00:15:01] Popular Party what it did was try to blame ETA for some
[00:15:04] attacks, this also shaped
[00:15:07] public opinion because afterwards it was shown to be false, I believe that the Sánchez government will
[00:15:11] not go there because apart from what has happened, adding more
[00:15:14] lies to a situation like this I think it will not help them, they
[00:15:25] Madrid, by the way, today because of the accident there have been
[00:15:29] minutes of silence in several
[00:15:32] the railway accident, the Parliament of Catalonia, for example, these are images in which
[00:15:36] the president has participated. Brull, members of the board and of the parliamentary groups and
[00:15:40] on the part of the government, the council of justice Rabona is pedaler. Also in the
[00:15:44] Congress of Deputies in Madrid there has been a minute of silence without the president of the
[00:15:47] chamber. The president, two vice-presidents, one from the PSOE and the other from the
[00:15:50] Popular Party.
[00:15:53] Eh, about, well, of course, this complicates his life a lot, the
[00:15:57] alternative to the PSOE, which had appropriated the
[00:16:01] housing issue and Mari Carmen all together, um, and now suddenly
[00:16:05] he has this accident.
[00:16:08] which by itself would already hurt but it is clear that it is added and this is a very big
[00:16:12] multiplying effect, the one from January they changed the fist the
[00:16:15] rose for the heart no love
[00:16:18] um and with love and the force of love they were
[00:16:22] saying we are the ones of love and they are the ones of hate, the ones of the
[00:16:26] fan machine now they cannot go
[00:16:29] out with certain frivolities
[00:16:31] eh to do an election rally no
[00:16:35] this well eh it will explain his life, good heavens how it has changed
[00:16:39] eh, well and what can change Xavier, because today is the 29th, today is the 29th
[00:16:42] of October, exactly one month until the elections, well in one
[00:16:46] month I don't need to tell you the amount of things that can happen, now that
[00:16:50] this complicates their life, well if it were only this, we have already had a
[00:16:54] couple of very serious skirmishes, incidents in the streets in Barcelona, in
[00:16:58] Bilbao, this weekend there may also be
[00:17:01] noise, eh, it's a serious
[00:17:04] moment eh, you said it before, it's a dark moment. Yes,
[00:17:08] and besides what we were saying, right, that apart from what can change in a moment, I
[00:17:12] think that in the end also um, you know what I regret
[00:17:15] that in the face of this tragedy we don't even consider that
[00:17:18] maybe eh, the government can do well, because we have seen that it started very
[00:17:22] badly eh, the minister, but there are, I mean, a tragedy of these
[00:17:25] characteristics, we should have the confidence that there are governments that can do well, and in
[00:17:29] return we already take for granted that it will be so
[00:17:32] dramatic, so disastrous everything that it will be, I say it in the sense that we have
[00:17:36] seen there are... countries that have governments that do a good job, that there is mutual
[00:17:40] support that provide collective calm that such, but here we are seeing that
[00:17:44] it is that, I mean, really the skirmish that is being experienced at
[00:17:47] a political level, that there is practically not even a party that is
[00:17:51] offering a little social calm, that pact of
[00:17:54] agreeing, now for some, I don't know, three, four
[00:17:58] days, let's try to give peace and tranquility to people,
[00:18:01] let's accompany them from a place, really that is the responsibility, we
[00:18:05] offer them peace and information. eh, we also greet our colleague Maria
[00:18:09] Xinxó eh, that after the commercial break she will also place us in another
[00:18:13] aspect of this news linked to
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[00:22:14] morning of Catalunya Ràdio with Ricard Tostrell.
[00:22:18] This Friday from 8:30 you can come and see us at the Mercè cultural center
[00:22:22] in Girona.
[00:25:42] colleague Eduard Valles, who is at the sacerdotal house in
[00:25:46] Toledo, where the victims, the families of the
[00:25:49] victims of this accident are staying.
[00:25:51] Eduard,
[00:25:54] yes, exactly, Xavi, there are about sixty people who have been
[00:25:58] here for more than 24 hours,
[00:26:01] waiting. all with uncertainty, for some news
[00:26:05] about their family members, either missing or who have
[00:26:08] already been confirmed as fatalities, but who
[00:26:12] are not yet identified. Also,
[00:26:14] as we explained a while ago at the Institute
[00:26:18] of Legal and Forensic Medicine, we still don't have
[00:26:21] confirmation that there have been identified
[00:26:25] victims, although it is true that when these families
[00:26:28] approach this Institute of Legal Medicine,
[00:26:31] some... they are sent directly to the morgue,
[00:26:34] a sign that some of their family members
[00:26:37] have already been identified, but officially we still don't have this
[00:26:41] figure. Here the situation is often one of uncertainty.
[00:26:44] We see a small group of family members come out from time
[00:26:48] to time to walk around, to get some fresh air, because these
[00:26:52] are not easy hours. Inside, there are also teams of psychologists
[00:26:56] who help them go through a very
[00:26:59] painful moment, and in fact, a short while ago, King Felipe
[00:27:03] came out, who visited all these families,
[00:27:07] and then the brother of one of the
[00:27:10] missing people came out and told us precisely about this, this
[00:27:13] uncertainty of waiting here for some news about their family
[00:27:17] members.
[00:27:20] Time passes and takes its toll, obviously. Well, some people were
[00:27:24] strong before and now they are a little weaker, a
[00:27:27] hand.
[00:27:34] I'll finish, Xavi, with a couple of, I'll finish, Xavi, with a couple of
[00:27:37] political points, the Popular Party has just
[00:27:41] requested the appearance of Pedro Sánchez before
[00:27:44] the permanent deputation of the Congress, as we have also explained,
[00:27:48] Oscar Puente will appear by his
[00:27:51] own decision, at his own request, next November
[00:27:55] 3rd at 5 p.m. And also breaking news, because
[00:27:58] the Workers' Commissions has just requested the dismissal of the
[00:28:01] Minister of Transport, Oscar Puente. They demand a
[00:28:05] thorough investigation to
[00:28:21] with Germà Bel. Good afternoon Germà,
[00:28:23] professor of applied economics at the University of Barcelona, one of the
[00:28:27] people who has studied the high-speed network and the entire infrastructure
[00:28:30] system of the state. We will
[00:28:34] immediately ask you for your assessment, but first, let's explain that Spain, in
[00:28:38] fact, is the country in all of Europe with
[00:28:42] the most extensive high-speed network, more than 4,000 km of
[00:28:45] line. The questions we ask ourselves in view of this are, was this
[00:28:49] network well maintained, and how did we get here? Maria Xinxou, well,
[00:28:52] it seems we'll start with this last one: how did we get here? First,
[00:28:56] we have to go back to 1992, 34 years ago. It's worth
[00:29:00] recovering part of the inauguration chronicle of the AVE that the colleagues
[00:29:03] from TV3's news services did at that time. It was
[00:29:07] 2:04 when the AVE, the Spanish high-speed train, took off from the
[00:29:10] remodeled Atocha station in Madrid, which had become the
[00:29:14] main Spanish railway hub. It did so slowly,
[00:29:18] with 271 km to cover in less than
[00:29:21] three hours. Exceptional witnesses to this challenge, which will
[00:29:24] be daily from Tuesday, were the Vice President of the Government, Narcís Serra,
[00:29:28] and the Minister of Public Works, Josep Borrell. Serra has left
[00:29:32] the... The first line that was launched, as you have seen, was the Madrid-Seville line,
[00:29:35] where precisely the two fatal accidents of this year occurred, the one in Urda
[00:29:39] and the one in January in Adamuz in Cordoba. The AVE became
[00:29:43] the great Spanish mobility bet, a radial mobility, yes,
[00:29:46] with Madrid at the center, but really, when its use
[00:29:50] skyrockets is after the Barcelona connection. It was
[00:29:53] in 2008, that first year the AVE began to eat into
[00:29:57] the passengers of the air bridge, which fell by 25%.
[00:30:00] The overtake came four years later, and since then, flights between Barcelona
[00:30:04] and Madrid and vice versa have not stopped falling in favor of the train,
[00:30:07] at least until now. The accidents, delays, and accumulated problems this year
[00:30:11] on the AVE have caused a 22% drop in users in the
[00:30:15] first six months. Maria,
[00:30:17] let's go to the key question. Spain has the most extensive high-speed network,
[00:30:21] but is the maintenance adequate? We have looked for
[00:30:24] the data from a European Commission report from
[00:30:27] 2022 to answer this question, a report that Antoni Basas
[00:30:30] referred to earlier. This year, Spain allocated almost
[00:30:34] 96 euros per kilometer of track to maintenance.
[00:30:37] Is this a lot or a little? Well, it's little if we look at what the
[00:30:41] rest of the European Union countries do. They allocate on average twice
[00:30:44] as much to maintenance and improvement of tracks as Spain, reaching up to
[00:30:48] 191 euros per kilometer of track. Given
[00:30:52] these data, the conclusion could be: "Spain does not allocate enough money to the AVE,"
[00:30:55] but this information is not entirely the...