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[00:00:22] All right, you're still watching TVC breakfast, great conversations we've had in Lagus,
[00:00:26] now
[00:00:26] of let's take you all the way to the center of unity where we have.
[00:00:35] take the conversation, thank you so
[00:00:39] much, it's good to be back here again this beautiful thursday morning and of course
[00:00:43] we're standing by with the brief, good morning
[00:00:46] of
[00:00:47] a nigerians, it's just one more day to tgiif, thank god this
[00:00:50] friday, good morning nigerians, nice to have you here
[00:00:52] of with us, now the national policing on bill is steadily
[00:00:56] moving from
[00:00:57] of proposal to practical consideration with the establishment of a presidential
[00:01:01] working group making another important phase in
[00:01:05] Nigeria's effort to strengthen law
[00:01:07] in enforcement and
[00:01:08] of improve public safety. as conversations continue around the structure,
[00:01:12] funding,
[00:01:12] a overside and implementation
[00:01:14] of the proposed reforms, attention is increasingly turn into
[00:01:18] what must happen next to ensure the process
[00:01:21] delivers meaningful results for citizens across the country. now the
[00:01:25] work before the presidential working group goes beyond drafting
[00:01:28] recommendations. It involves balancing constitutional
[00:01:33] of provisions, engaging critical stakeholders, addressing operational
[00:01:36] realities and building a policing framework capable of
[00:01:40] responding to today's evolving security
[00:01:43] challenges. The success
[00:01:45] of the bill will ultimately depend on how effectively
[00:01:49] these responsibilities are carried out and how broadly
[00:01:52] consensus is built around the proposed reforms, to
[00:01:56] help us explore the priorities before the
[00:01:59] of presidential work. group and what they
[00:02:01] of could of mean for the future of policing in Nigeria, we are
[00:02:05] joined by Nadubem Mohalu,
[00:02:08] of senior special assistant to the president on planning and
[00:02:12] research. He joins us to discuss the expectations surrounding the
[00:02:16] national policing bill, the key milestones ahead and
[00:02:20] the broader vision driving this important national
[00:02:24] initiative. It's good to have you on the program, this
[00:02:27] morning. Well, if state. policies are
[00:02:30] constitutionally empowered to establish their own
[00:02:34] police, why should the federal government still dictate
[00:02:38] national policing standards? doesn't that uh defeat the
[00:02:42] various sense of state
[00:02:44] police? good morning and thank you very much for having me on this
[00:02:48] morning. um, the federal minimum
[00:02:51] standards, national minimum standards
[00:02:54] is the way we prevent this entire thing from
[00:02:58] descending into complete and absolute. with
[00:03:00] anarchy,
[00:03:04] we have to be clear about what problems we are trying to solve
[00:03:08] with the idea of state policing or the idea
[00:03:10] of the dual police structure in
[00:03:13] a Nigeria, the first problem we are trying to solve is
[00:03:15] of numbers problem, that is
[00:03:17] in to say we just do not have enough police
[00:03:20] of officers to police the population and the geography of
[00:03:23] Nigeria, but beyond solving the
[00:03:27] numbers problem, we
[00:03:29] of also... what are trying to solve capacity problem? what
[00:03:33] i mean by that is beyond
[00:03:35] of the numbers of police
[00:03:36] of officers
[00:03:37] you you have, what is the capacity
[00:03:38] of the people that are actually doing policing in the
[00:03:40] country? you cannot solve the capacity
[00:03:44] problem without having minimum national
[00:03:48] standards, minimum national standards around recruitment
[00:03:52] of for example, what type of person are you recruiting into the police
[00:03:55] force, what are the minimum academic
[00:03:59] qualification? ations: we don't want to end up with dw policing
[00:04:03] structure where you go to one state and
[00:04:05] you have graduate police officers, you have capable police officers and
[00:04:09] then you move to another state and you have
[00:04:11] a rag tag militia doing policing, that is not in anybody's
[00:04:14] interest, so the federal government has
[00:04:16] a responsibility to make sure that yes, states will control their own
[00:04:20] policies, have direct responsibility for the policing services in their
[00:04:24] states, but everybody will be operating from a minimum
[00:04:27] standard textbook. mind you, is a minimum standard
[00:04:30] a textbook, it's
[00:04:31] not a silling, so states that have the capacity, the desire
[00:04:35] to go far beyond and a far above the minimum standards,
[00:04:39] will be free to do so, but we have to make sure that there is a
[00:04:43] flaw below which no police service in the country will ever
[00:04:46] fall. now uh, going by what you just say, we're not
[00:04:50] just looking at uh uh having a dual policing structure, we're actually
[00:04:54] looking at an entire reform
[00:04:55] of the police instructure in Nigeria, whether it is national or the state
[00:04:59] police. Now what are those fundamental structural changes
[00:05:03] you will expect that should be in this
[00:05:06] reform so that our police at the end
[00:05:11] of of the day can operate? so we don't just have a dual policy
[00:05:15] structure, what are those fundamental, whether it is welfare, whether it is
[00:05:19] capacity, whether it's technology, what are those things that must be in this reform you're
[00:05:23] pushing for, so if you go on the national policing bill.com
[00:05:26] website, which we have set up as a public information
[00:05:29] portal to allow nigerians to follow this process,
[00:05:33] but also to participate in this process through the submission of
[00:05:37] memoranda, if you go on that website you will see that we have set out
[00:05:41] 17 thematic areas. uh in this bill,
[00:05:44] essentially these 17 thematic areas cover the scope of all the
[00:05:48] issues that will be considered in drafting this
[00:05:51] legislation, and if you look into that into the issues that were
[00:05:55] addressed in the in
[00:05:56] the in those thematic areas, all the
[00:06:00] things you've talked about, rank equivalence, welfare of police
[00:06:04] officers, the nature the training of police officers, how do you
[00:06:07] structure regulation, how do you structure the regulatory internal regulatory
[00:06:11] systems? policing, how do you recruit police
[00:06:15] officers, how do you discipline them? what is the disciplined infrastructure that you're
[00:06:19] putting in place? all these things are what will go into the national
[00:06:22] policing bill. essentially
[00:06:26] uh, think about it this way, right? the constitutional review, the constitutional
[00:06:30] amendment opens the door to a dual policy structure, but
[00:06:34] when you get into that room, what does that room look like, who sits where, who
[00:06:38] does what? how do the people in that room cooperate with each other? that is what the...
[00:06:42] national policing bill is going to address,
[00:06:46] so um, one major concern that has been
[00:06:49] expressed by many Nigerians across board is the fear of
[00:06:53] abuse by governors. now what is in this bill or what
[00:06:57] concrete safegards you see that this bill would have that will make
[00:07:01] political abuse practically impossible,
[00:07:05] especially by big political figures and not just legally
[00:07:09] prohibited? the the only tool
[00:07:12] tools available to government to control
[00:07:15] behavior are the tools of legislation,
[00:07:19] regulation, the enforcement of those regulations and the
[00:07:23] creation of incentives, that's those
[00:07:25] are the tools government has available to
[00:07:26] it to try and influence the behavior of people. in the
[00:07:30] constitutional amendment that has already passed in the senate and the house of
[00:07:33] representatives, there are express
[00:07:36] explicit prohibitions against abuse
[00:07:40] of state police services by
[00:07:43] uh state governments and political office
[00:07:45] holders. the constitutional amendment also
[00:07:49] provides a provisions for what happens when
[00:07:53] there is an established case of abuse by state police
[00:07:56] services. there is a provision for federal intervention to
[00:08:00] conduct investigations, control what is happening there, dismantle the systems
[00:08:04] and rebuild them if necessary. so we have already put
[00:08:08] in the fundamental checks into the constitution,
[00:08:12] but those checks will then operate in practice is is part
[00:08:16] of also what we then have to deal with in the national policy so what in
[00:08:20] what case or in what scenario guarantees a
[00:08:23] federal intervention how grievous does it have to be under the
[00:08:27] current constitutional amendment federal intervention can happen a number of
[00:08:30] ways uh the governor the state can request federal
[00:08:34] intervention to say we are not able to police
[00:08:38] uh
[00:08:39] our uh our state at the moment
[00:08:40] for any number of reasons maybe there
[00:08:42] has been a a breakdown of law and order, there's some sort of conflict or crisis that has
[00:08:46] happened that has that is beyond the capacity the state police service, the state governor
[00:08:49] can in that situation make an appeal to the federal government say
[00:08:53] come and support us, but where there are where where there are complaints for
[00:08:57] example against the state police service itself, complaints relating to abuse of
[00:09:01] power, abuse of authority, ethnic or political
[00:09:05] persecution, or the president under the constitutional amendment that has
[00:09:08] been proposed and that has passed in the senate and the house, the president can't
[00:09:12] direct uh an intervention under those circumstances, but the intervention
[00:09:16] intervention under the circumstances will be limited, targeted to
[00:09:20] address whatever problem, it's not a, it's not an opportunity
[00:09:24] or excuse for federal government to take over state police
[00:09:27] services or to take us back to where we're trying to come move away from,
[00:09:31] but you need to have that as a it, everybody in
[00:09:35] the system needs to know that this exists as a break part as
[00:09:39] a break point right, that if this happens something... will happen,
[00:09:42] there will be response, and the response is that the federal government can step in to
[00:09:46] take corrective action. okay, there is this
[00:09:50] provisor that says it's not just automatic that every states will
[00:09:53] just go and have a states police, it say they can
[00:09:57] able to demonstrate that they have capacity to have it. now is the
[00:10:01] working group and besaging a situation where if state
[00:10:05] a for instance does not have the capacity and state b has the
[00:10:08] capacity, so state a might now be haber for criminals that.
[00:10:12] and threating the existence of of state b, so is that a
[00:10:16] funding structure that is put in place that is guaranteed probably from the
[00:10:20] federation accounts so that direct line charts or or funding the
[00:10:24] police? so that that's a minimum level that every state must have
[00:10:28] the state police, then if you want to go beyond certain
[00:10:31] limits, it's that depends on your own capacity. okay, so the arithmetics of
[00:10:35] funding, we are still working on the arithmetics of funding,
[00:10:39] and we will make sure that we provide that information to nigerians when we have clarity as
[00:10:43] to how and what will be the requirements will be. now as to the issue of
[00:10:47] creating security gaps that allow criminals to operate, we
[00:10:51] have designed this such that those gaps will never exist, the... an
[00:10:55] police force, which will become the federal police service under the
[00:10:59] new constitutional arrangement, does not
[00:11:02] disappear, so there will still be federal
[00:11:05] police presence in every state dealing with federal
[00:11:09] police crimes, because mind you, you still have distinction in
[00:11:13] jurisdiction, right, crimes, things like cyber like
[00:11:16] terrorism, crimes that have interstate or
[00:11:19] international components will still be the responsibility the federal police
[00:11:23] service now, up until until a state has
[00:11:27] its own state police service operational, the federal police service will remain in
[00:11:31] that state performing both state and federal policing
[00:11:35] functions, so it will be a transition, not replacement. when the
[00:11:39] state begins to build its own capacity, the federal government will then
[00:11:42] begin, the federal police service will begin to move away, so there will never
[00:11:46] hopefully be a time where we have an sort of
[00:11:49] unpoliced uh spaces or on government spaces, well the
[00:11:53] bill proposes state. readiness certification before a
[00:11:57] state can establish its own police, who determines
[00:12:01] that readiness and couldn't uh that become a political
[00:12:04] tool to deny opposition control states their
[00:12:08] constitutional rights? so the the state
[00:12:12] readiness that you're talking about goes back to the issue of minimum
[00:12:15] standards, okay? if you enact minimum standards, you
[00:12:19] must also enact a framework to make sure that those standards are being
[00:12:22] met, so if we say for example: that these are the
[00:12:26] standards that every state police, these are the standards that the state police services must
[00:12:30] meet, you have to make sure that the states have the
[00:12:33] capacity to or have put in place the frameworks to meet those
[00:12:37] standards before you say, okay, go ahead and establish your police, if you put in place minimum
[00:12:41] standards and you don't put in place mechanism for certifying that
[00:12:45] those standards have been met, then it becomes an entirely
[00:12:49] academic exercise, and that's not what we're trying to do here, so the
[00:12:52] purpose of having the state. a certification is to make
[00:12:56] sure that there is a compliance system in place for
[00:13:00] states to meet the standards that you have already prescribed or that you're going to we're
[00:13:04] going to prescribe in the legislation that is coming. okay, you
[00:13:08] will agree with me that in Nigeria we don't really have lot of
[00:13:12] problems with laws, we have our laws, but it's also the those
[00:13:15] who apply those laws, we have problems with application
[00:13:19] of our laws. now all this reform is coming to place, it's still
[00:13:23] within, it's still the Nigerian. that Nigerian system, that Nigerian factor, the
[00:13:27] Nigerian thing, how going to avoid the Nigerian factor
[00:13:31] coming to play, good laws, good reform measures
[00:13:34] prescribed in our documents, but the the the those who
[00:13:37] implementing how going to guarantee that the end the day
[00:13:41] we're going to put in place the best polising structure that even 30
[00:13:45] years from now will be referenced and say look we've done a good job,
[00:13:49] so what are those things that will ensure that the Nigerian factor does
[00:13:53] not come to play in? really not again from our focus,
[00:13:56] so um, the first of
[00:14:00] all uh, the process by which we are drafting this
[00:14:04] legislation and trying to create this new dual
[00:14:06] policing universe is
[00:14:10] very thorough and deliberate one, taking into
[00:14:13] consideration all the challenges and all the issues that could
[00:14:17] arise during the course of implementation.
[00:14:21] earlier on in my my statement, i said to you that we have. to
[00:14:25] understand what are the tools that government has available to it to actually
[00:14:29] influence institutional or individual behavior. the government
[00:14:33] has the instrument of laws, it has the instrument of regulation,
[00:14:36] it has the instrument of incentives right, things like financial
[00:14:40] grants and support to states and the enforcement of
[00:14:44] those um laws and regulations, these are these are
[00:14:48] literally the only tools government has, so what we have to do is make sure that in writing
[00:14:52] this laws that we're writing that we have. as to
[00:14:56] roles, responsibilities, functions, but that we also put in place
[00:15:00] sufficiently robust
[00:15:03] enforcement mechanisms to make sure that put institutions and
[00:15:07] individuals who fail to do what they are supposed to do under the new
[00:15:10] framework can and will be held to account. all
[00:15:14] right, we still discuss more on this matter, but that will be right after the short
[00:15:17] break, don't go anywhere, we still have more for you on the program, stay with us, we'll
[00:15:21] right back.
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[00:16:26] for staying with FCT brief now
[00:16:28] are still discusstion about the intended national
[00:16:32] policing bill, and still with us is a senior special
[00:16:35] assistant to the president.
[00:16:37] mr. yes,
[00:16:41] right? all right, well um, one concern
[00:16:44] that some nigerians have raised, because you know the committee is calling for
[00:16:48] inputes onto this bill, and um, that can be done
[00:16:52] on the website, which is the
[00:16:53] nationalpolicing.com, well, one
[00:16:57] issue that some Nigerians have raised is a short timeline that
[00:17:01] is being um put by the committee for this imputs, I think the
[00:17:05] deadline is by August. and they say and
[00:17:09] they say this timeline is quite short with little to no
[00:17:12] publicity, so um the timeline is two weeks for
[00:17:16] submission of memoranda, um, we
[00:17:19] have been running ads in the newspapers
[00:17:22] since Monday, we have started running video um
[00:17:26] advertisements on the TV stations, started that on
[00:17:29] Tuesday, we will run, we will continue running both the TV and
[00:17:33] newspaper print ads throughout the time the
[00:17:39] the the submission right, so that we can keep putting those out. We are also
[00:17:42] exploring other approaches to make sure that we reach as
[00:17:46] many people as possible. On the issue of timing, this
[00:17:50] cannot be an open-ended process. Um,
[00:17:53] there has
[00:17:54] to be some sort of certainty about when are we starting, when are we
[00:17:57] finishing? If there is
[00:17:59] need um to adjust
[00:18:02] timelines to make sure that this is a more inclusive, more
[00:18:06] participatory and ultimately more productive process,
[00:18:09] i we are not opposed to such
[00:18:13] adjustments if if need be, but ultimately
[00:18:17] the the goal here is to make sure that we produce legislation that
[00:18:20] works for Nigerians and that the process of producing that
[00:18:24] legislation is thorough, is deliberate and is inclusive,
[00:18:28] that is the objective. now talking about the inclusivity of
[00:18:32] this process, you're part of this walking presidential walking group, yes
[00:18:36] now uh uh all over the world, technology is key,
[00:18:40] yes in effective policing. now what is going to be the
[00:18:43] psychology of our new uh policing
[00:18:47] system? is it going to be manpower driven or tech
[00:18:50] driven? we going to have a system where from the one your
[00:18:54] committee will suggest to government whether
[00:18:56] it is federal or the state that every police officer
[00:19:00] must wear a body calm before while they are
[00:19:04] on the field operating. so those th are some the... the issues that will be
[00:19:08] addressed in the national policing buil, um,
[00:19:12] the the operational details as it were,
[00:19:15] but we're in 2026,
[00:19:18] policing in 2026 is essentially
[00:19:22] technology driven activity, um,
[00:19:26] and that will not be, we're not going to uh, in the
[00:19:29] process of doing reforms, take ourselves backwards instead of moving towards
[00:19:33] progress, so technology will play a
[00:19:37] very big because so understand what's happening here, you have you will have
[00:19:41] federal police service and you will have 36 state police services,
[00:19:45] all of those services need to be in constant communication
[00:19:49] with each other, data needs to be shared across those
[00:19:52] services, um, they need to be
[00:19:56] able to, you spoke about gaps, about making sure that we
[00:20:00] don't have gaps that allow criminals to
[00:20:02] operate, the key tool that
[00:20:06] government will have to use in managing sort of those gaps, the communication and
[00:20:10] information gaps is technology, so this will be a technology
[00:20:13] driven policing system uh, and we will
[00:20:17] try to make at this point our responsibility is to try to make sure that we
[00:20:21] write the legislation in such a way that it enables the
[00:20:25] effective deployment of technology, not an option, it must be a
[00:20:28] mandatory stock, well yeah, you if you want we will
[00:20:32] determine how much we want this to work in the legislation,
[00:20:36] well after the ends. protests and public trust
[00:20:40] in the police in architecture of Nigeria has remained
[00:20:43] very fragile, how does this be reviewed
[00:20:47] you know citizens confidence and trust? instead of just may
[00:20:51] creating another layer of policing, it
[00:20:55] it goes to the issues, i what i said before when i said
[00:20:59] what problems are we trying to solve, we
[00:21:03] spoke about the numbers problem that we are trying to solve, how many police officers do we have
[00:21:06] police in our country, police in communities and all of that,
[00:21:10] then there's a capacity problem, like i said, capacity problem is who are you recruiting
[00:21:14] to the police, what are the quality the policing is
[00:21:18] very unique responsibility. it requires certain personality
[00:21:22] types, certain skill sets, certain we have not in
[00:21:25] Nigeria so far recruited people with
[00:21:29] the with with specific attention to make sure that
[00:21:33] we are recruiting people who are suited to policing, that's part the capacity
[00:21:37] problem that we have currently, we're going to try to address
[00:21:41] those. another problem that we hope this dual police and
[00:21:44] architecture is going to solve is the problem of community intelligence
[00:21:48] and local interface. under a dual policing system,
[00:21:52] police officers will come from the communities that they are
[00:21:55] policing, right? they are not going to be
[00:21:58] strangers to those places, they are not going to come in to
[00:22:02] communities where they don't have relations, where they don't have any sort of
[00:22:06] ties and operate almost as if they are there
[00:22:09] on uh just to do a temporary assignments and leave,
[00:22:13] people will be policing their own communities, that changes
[00:22:17] lot of things right, um... "the reality
[00:22:21] is that when you are in your home, when you are in the place when you are
[00:22:24] known, there are things that you can't do, there are things that you will not even
[00:22:28] think to do, because you know that even if the legal system or the
[00:22:32] policing system does not hold you accountable, your community will
[00:22:36] hold you accountable, so by the time we address the numbers
[00:22:39] problem and you address the capacity problem, and you address the
[00:22:43] interf the intelligence, community intelligence and community interface
[00:22:47] problems through dw policing structure, I think we will..." have addressed a
[00:22:50] number the concerns of uh ns
[00:22:54] uh let's look - specifics about we talking about welfare and one
[00:22:58] the huge challenge the police do have at the moment is the issue
[00:23:02] of housing and all that and over time there was this there was this
[00:23:05] policy we are government was saying that okay look those some backs
[00:23:09] were actually demolished and uh uh developers were brought in and all that to
[00:23:13] construct a baracks but some of some other security experts have argued
[00:23:17] that if police is one thing that leaves up should be one
[00:23:20] thing
[00:23:21] that operates with the people amongst the people and we all want to have community policing, should we have
[00:23:25] a barack system that takes them away from the people that
[00:23:28] are supposed to live with? so what are you going to be proposing? is it okay? state police
[00:23:32] that is community based have baracks that you take the police out of where the people
[00:23:36] our what? so you have to understand why we have the barrack system in the first place?
[00:23:40] okay, the reason why we have the barack system in the first place is because we have federal
[00:23:43] unitry policing system that often deploys people
[00:23:47] from places where they live to places where they work. so it
[00:23:51] now creates a situation where the government itself has to now provide, if I'm going to post you,
[00:23:55] if you if if you're a police officer recruited in Abuja, for
[00:23:58] example, your family lives in Abuja, and I post you to anambra to go and
[00:24:02] walk. I now have responsibility to try and provide barracks or some sort of
[00:24:05] accommodation for you, but when you have recruted people from
[00:24:09] their own communities, from the places where they live, the issue of housing
[00:24:13] doesn't come up, the issue of creating special barracks for them doesn't even arise in the
[00:24:17] first place, the only issue now becomes issue of making that they are
[00:24:20] remunerated sufficiently that they can live
[00:24:23] comfortably within their own communities like the rest the people that they are going to be
[00:24:27] policing. so if we move towards the dual policing
[00:24:31] system that we are moving towards now, the barracking system of police
[00:24:34] housing will also become sort of less necessary as it were,
[00:24:38] and hopefully will be faced out eventually so that police officers can live in the
[00:24:42] communities where the police. i spoke about solving an intelligence
[00:24:46] problem and how dual policing will help us solve an intelligence problem.
[00:24:50] part of solving that intelligence problem is making sure that your police officers leave in the
[00:24:54] communities where they are policing, well you earlier mentioned that
[00:24:58] addressing these fears that Nigerians have raised and rebuting trust
[00:25:02] in the policing system has to do with understanding the issues
[00:25:05] which is deals with capacity and the number of
[00:25:09] men. now who determines capacity? because one major fear that
[00:25:12] nigerians keep expressing is you know we
[00:25:15] see um uh maybe the system
[00:25:19] recruit. repentant bandits into the
[00:25:22] system, so how does this build checkmate that
[00:25:26] and checkmate the capacity that you speak about? you have, you have
[00:25:30] just answered the question of why we need national minimum
[00:25:34] standards, right? that's the question you just answered
[00:25:37] now, the way to deal with capacity issue is to
[00:25:41] make sure that we have national minimum standards
[00:25:44] written into law so that it's not
[00:25:48] discretionary, it's no longer a...
[00:25:58] person that we need to recruit into the police force has to be written
[00:26:01] into. law or regulations, and that is part of what the national
[00:26:05] policing vio is all about. Okay,
[00:26:08] but but this aspect also, the synergy between the states and the federal -
[00:26:11] we're assuming that the capacity to abuse the police is
[00:26:15] just within the state, federal, we don't have, we have we have system in the past
[00:26:19] where we have federal abusing the police, so if the the the
[00:26:23] federal is setting the minimum standard, we are assuming
[00:26:27] that they are not fallable in also, because even we talk
[00:26:31] about recruiting bandit is... is from the national that that policy came into
[00:26:35] being the first place, the new national minimum standards are not national
[00:26:39] minimum standards for state police, there are new national minimum standards for
[00:26:42] policing, okay, so you can, the federal government is not going to
[00:26:46] hold states to a higher standard than it holds itself, so when we
[00:26:50] raise the national minimum standards, we're raising the national minimum standards across
[00:26:54] the board, both for the the new state police
[00:26:58] services that will um come up as well as the nigerian.
[00:27:02] police force that then becomes the federal police service, it's it's national
[00:27:06] minimum policing standards for both federal and state police services, so a
[00:27:10] not shell, will this legislation finally solve
[00:27:14] Nigeria's policing crisis, are we simply
[00:27:17] redesigning the structure without addressing the key concerns which is
[00:27:21] corruption, poor welfare, weak investigation and lack
[00:27:25] of accountability, all of those
[00:27:29] things, the welfare issues, the accountability.
[00:27:32] issues um are part the redesign
[00:27:36] of policing that's happening, all of those things will be
[00:27:39] considered. if you look at the thematic areas that I spoke about earlier that we
[00:27:43] still have on the website and I and I seriously encourage you to go on the
[00:27:47] website and take a look for yourself. um, the issues
[00:27:51] you've just raised now about accountability, how do you hold people
[00:27:54] accountable, what systems do you put in place, not just for individual
[00:27:57] accountability, but for institutional accountability, because sometimes the individual
[00:28:01] is not the problem. "sometimes it's the institution itself that has created
[00:28:05] systems that enable corruption, so all of those
[00:28:08] things are the things that we are going to try to resolve
[00:28:12] in the national policing bill. this is why the national policing bill is so important,
[00:28:16] and this is why the federal government has set out this
[00:28:19] process uh to begin drafting the
[00:28:22] bill now, even before even while the constitutional process is
[00:28:26] ongoing, because there is a tremendous amount of work that needs to be done to make sure that when the
[00:28:30] constitutional amendment process concludes..." that we are ready for the
[00:28:33] next stage and that is the work that uh we're doing now with the national
[00:28:37] police in b okay okay just just quickly is this group also the working group
[00:28:41] considering how to synergize between the the state police
[00:28:45] structure with uh so many other federal security
[00:28:48] institutions we have that we going to operated in the various states you have the the the
[00:28:52] the forest guards you have the civil defense that also in this
[00:28:56] state so when the state police comes in there are certain things that are doing those agences are doing
[00:29:00] that the state police will will do are you considering also harmonizing
[00:29:04] that aspect so that we don't have friction between the police, state police and those federal
[00:29:08] institutions, of course inevitably, um, you will have to find a
[00:29:12] way to um structure harmonization between these entities,
[00:29:16] unless you will have a situation where everybody is walking at cross proposes and that's not what we
[00:29:19] want, you will address those things in the
[00:29:22] in the legislation, how do the agencies talk each other, how do they
[00:29:26] cooperate, where does one person's jurisdiction begin and where does the
[00:29:29] other person's jurisdiction end, all of those issues. are issues for the
[00:29:33] national policing bill. All right, Mr.
[00:29:37] Mohalu, that's where we leave the conversation this morning. Thank you so much for your
[00:29:41] insights on the program, it's a delight speaking with you. Thank you very much an
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