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[00:00:44] of
[00:00:52] of of For decades millions of Nigerians have lived beyond the reach
[00:00:56] of national greed relying on expensive diesel generators, kerosin.
[00:01:00] lanterns
[00:01:00] a and
[00:01:01] a darkness, yet while public attention remains fixed on endless crisis
[00:01:05] of generation, transmission and distribution, another energy
[00:01:09] revolution has been unfolding and miss cause for
[00:01:12] decentralization
[00:01:13] of the transmission network, and the rural electrification agency
[00:01:17] has become one
[00:01:18] of the major drivers of Nigeria's renewable energy transition,
[00:01:22] but difficult questions remain: why do thousands of communities
[00:01:26] still remain in darkness? why has Nigerian failed to convert its
[00:01:30] mountains of municipal waste into
[00:01:32] in electricity, while many countries now generate power from
[00:01:35] wastes. are these billions in investment translating into
[00:01:39] of measurable improvements in the daily lives of ordinary
[00:01:42] Nigerians? today on fireworks, we put this questions
[00:01:46] directly to the man who
[00:01:48] of runs the rural electrification agency. as we examine whether Nigeria's
[00:01:51] off great revolution is truly transforming the nation's
[00:01:55] energy of future. I a shodu, this is
[00:01:58] Fireworks with put them on that
[00:02:00] a checks.
[00:02:07] of now
[00:02:10] of joining me on the hot seat is the managing director and chief executive
[00:02:13] officer
[00:02:14] of the rural electrification agency, dr. aba
[00:02:17] Aliu. yeah, um, dr. aba aleu, nice to have you on my talk
[00:02:21] today. thank you, thank you for having me. yeah, quite
[00:02:25] uh, an impressive work you're doing in reeral education
[00:02:28] agency over. 100
[00:02:31] uh over 100 renewable energy service uh centers
[00:02:35] with you connecting universities, public
[00:02:37] of institutions
[00:02:38] of and massive partnership, mean funding from donor
[00:02:42] agencies and all that, but despite this impressive
[00:02:45] statistics, millions of nigerians still go to bed
[00:02:49] in darkness, now at what point can we connect the
[00:02:53] dots, the mass the
[00:02:55] of impressive outlay and Nigerians having sufficient
[00:02:58] power supply. Thank you, thank you for this
[00:03:02] very good question
[00:03:04] of uh, to answer you, the dots are already been
[00:03:07] connected, number of uh
[00:03:10] transformation is taking place in the Nigerian uh
[00:03:14] renewable energy landscape and something up
[00:03:18] precedented, something that has never happened in the history
[00:03:20] of the country, and I give you statics, I give you the figures which you can
[00:03:24] go and verify, for the first time in the history of
[00:03:27] Nigeria over one thousand mini grids have
[00:03:31] been project developed across the country in different
[00:03:35] states, for the first time in the history of Nigeria, the
[00:03:39] country is implementing the biggest renewable energy access
[00:03:43] project in the entire world, a 750 million dollar
[00:03:46] project that will crystallize private sector funding of
[00:03:50] 1.1 billion dollars to deploy
[00:03:53] $1,350 mini greeds to electrify
[00:03:56] 17.5
[00:03:58] a million
[00:03:58] of Nigerians and I repeat, 17.5 million
[00:04:02] Nigerians, which is as total as much as the
[00:04:05] in total population
[00:04:05] of some
[00:04:06] is what you have done or what you intend what we are currently doing, as
[00:04:10] at today, like I told you, over 1,us
[00:04:13] mini grids have been developed
[00:04:14] of as a today, we are we are
[00:04:17] deploying
[00:04:18] to 48 interconnected mini grids uh in
[00:04:22] collaboration with all the distribution companies here in
[00:04:26] Abuja, we in collaboration with Abuja disco, we are the...
[00:04:30] deploying
[00:04:31] of about 20 megawatt in jikwe 1, jikwe 2,
[00:04:34] oroso, dede and pekasa in if you
[00:04:38] go to kogi (december with Abuja distribution) we are doing it
[00:04:42] in dekina, if you go to
[00:04:46] kano in the collaboration with cano distribution company, we are
[00:04:50] injecting 10 megawatt in bichi,
[00:04:53] civic center, singa and um
[00:04:57] tarone shopping complex, Let's take a look at
[00:05:01] a it this way, the AEDC, the kedja distribution, whatever
[00:05:05] distribution companies are majorly in charge
[00:05:08] of the
[00:05:09] of grid, your own company Rea. is in charge the
[00:05:13] offgrade, now this massive statistics you're talking about
[00:05:17] is the offgrade, now what is the difference to
[00:05:21] the ordinary man, I don't care what it is, what matters at the end
[00:05:25] the day, let me have electricity, so what is the difference between
[00:05:29] this of grid or mini grid we call it or the
[00:05:32] grid system that keep collapsing? so you see the
[00:05:36] the what many of us are not aware
[00:05:40] of is apart from those of us that
[00:05:43] are living in communities where the grids
[00:05:47] reaches, there are many others that are in
[00:05:51] community where they are never connected with the with
[00:05:54] electricity, never, and in the wisdom of Mr.
[00:05:58] President, there are over 40 millions Nigerians
[00:06:02] that have never been connected to electricity, never,
[00:06:06] and and that is why Nigeria has the highest number of people that are without
[00:06:10] electricity access, so Mr. President, said the first thing is these
[00:06:14] people that many of us forgotten about, let's bring them
[00:06:18] first, let the let's get them connected, and that
[00:06:22] is why we embarked on this massive electrification,
[00:06:25] the 17.5 million that told you are out of this
[00:06:29] 40 million that are going to be connected in this three years, okay,
[00:06:33] now but still some other nigerans that
[00:06:37] are also connected, but their supply is not
[00:06:40] reliable, which means they get less than six hours of electricity
[00:06:44] a day, so you're bringing them under, they also that
[00:06:48] category of people that are connected, but the the supply is not
[00:06:51] reliable, we are focusing on them to enhance the
[00:06:55] reliability, and that is why we created the interconnected
[00:06:59] mini grid, in this regard we deployed the
[00:07:02] generation, the solar farm within the community and still
[00:07:06] connect it with the main grid, so during the day
[00:07:10] they will get their electricity from the... solar farm in the night
[00:07:14] when the sun has gone down if there is electricity from the grid they
[00:07:17] get it, if there is none, we use the battery, that
[00:07:21] storage system that we deploy to power them, just before i go
[00:07:25] into the battery system and all the development of those batteries uh the
[00:07:29] mini grid those communities under the mini grid that are presently under the
[00:07:33] distribution companies and they're not doing effectively well, yes is that not an
[00:07:36] indictment on the various distribution companies because originally that is not supposed to be
[00:07:40] your forte, you to be the... on those who never
[00:07:44] had greed, now you're coming to where they operate, is it not
[00:07:48] an indictment on education companies? no, no, so so to to us,
[00:07:51] this is more like complementary efforts, but if they were
[00:07:55] efficient, they will need you, you will concentrate your
[00:07:57] effort, so so we
[00:08:01] can't continue to wit for them, right, and that is why in the
[00:08:05] wisdom of Mr. President, saying that, okay, let's also enhance the
[00:08:09] reliability of that supply, and the... the
[00:08:12] regulation and this happens not only in Nigeria, in all other part
[00:08:16] the world, there are this kind of complementary
[00:08:20] where you have the off grid, connecting with the on with the
[00:08:24] grid and enhancing the reliability, it happens, the if you
[00:08:28] go to Kenya, if you go to India, India have done it
[00:08:31] much more, and that is the same model that we are
[00:08:35] replicating uh, the jikwe that I mentioned in Abuja,
[00:08:38] pekasa, dede, they are all within agreed connection.
[00:08:42] but we are going there like theyday is an
[00:08:46] industrial cluster saying that they are getting less than 10 hours
[00:08:50] maybe let's go there and make sure that they get minimum
[00:08:53] of 22 20 to 22 hours so what is the financial burden on
[00:08:57] these people for instance the people in jikwe and all that what's the financial burden on them it's
[00:09:01] the same they just pay for band a band b or
[00:09:05] so it's still that we normally so our tariff
[00:09:09] model don't distributes we dis distribute
[00:09:13] each community that we go, we put the generation
[00:09:17] that is the solar palm and we would do the
[00:09:20] distribution network, we make sure that there is distribution network
[00:09:24] and we do the metering, we learn from the mistake the hungry, so when
[00:09:28] we go, we provide total package
[00:09:31] solution, degeneration,
[00:09:34] distribution, metering and even skader system
[00:09:37] because on my phone even monitor my mini grid to make sure
[00:09:41] that they are: operated that's the kind of thing we do all right uh let's
[00:09:45] quickly
[00:09:46] go a break and we
[00:09:47] come back we'll still have
[00:09:48] more to talk about real electrification please
[00:09:51] to stay
[00:09:51] with us
[00:10:04] now welcome back you're still to uh fireworks now uh we left up
[00:10:08] talking about uh the the many gridos communities what
[00:10:11] the is the more financial burden on them, but quickly let me go to this other issue: the
[00:10:15] 2023 electricity act empowers the various
[00:10:19] states to be able to generate electricity,
[00:10:22] distribute and have efficient power supply for. their people, three
[00:10:26] years down the line, would you say that the states have
[00:10:30] invested enough just beyond passing the
[00:10:33] laws, have invested enough to really have
[00:10:37] their people enjoy the benefit of that electricity
[00:10:40] acts. you see, the the it takes
[00:10:44] time for to see to start seeing
[00:10:48] the results, depending on different states,
[00:10:51] we what we did in rural electrification agency last. ye
[00:10:55] we created what we call the state by state round table where as at
[00:10:59] last year we had engagement with 27 states
[00:11:03] live and we made it mandatory that each uh
[00:11:06] engagement we have to have the executive governor there and in
[00:11:10] that regard what we normally did was to help
[00:11:14] in harmonizing the plans the state with that the federal government
[00:11:18] when it comes to renewable landscape and we have succeed we have seen
[00:11:22] a lot of traction uh we have seen traction in Adam
[00:11:26] state, I must tell you that the governor of Adam state
[00:11:29] had uh just last week had given us more than 40 hectares
[00:11:33] of land for about three interconnected mini grids that would
[00:11:37] inject about 20 megawatt in the states which is close to
[00:11:41] 60% of what they get from the grid, we are adding that
[00:11:45] capacity into the state, the same thing we were in amburusa,
[00:11:48] what we have done the samething in Kogi, they
[00:11:52] are that act has really created. a
[00:11:55] synergy whereby the states and the federal
[00:11:59] represented by real electrification agency within the renewable
[00:12:02] landscape come together and developed a
[00:12:05] strategic means of for developing electricity
[00:12:09] infrastructure i ask is because lot of people would want to criticize
[00:12:13] this administration of president tunubu that i promise
[00:12:16] electricity and the lot millions still go
[00:12:19] to bed in darkness and you're talking about this electricity
[00:12:23] act.
[00:12:25] is what at kind fault? of revolution was it intended to create? what kind of
[00:12:28] a? i i want to
[00:12:30] make it categorically clear that it's
[00:12:33] ignorance the general public of
[00:12:37] what the president government is doing and tell you this and
[00:12:41] these are things that needs to be verified
[00:12:45] well who we are as much as possible going out and letting the general
[00:12:48] public get to understand what this government is doing.
[00:12:52] tell you first this president government is
[00:12:56] implementing the biggest publicly funded
[00:12:59] renewable energy project in the entire world, renewable
[00:13:03] energy access projects. apart from India,
[00:13:07] no country has done a massive
[00:13:11] ambitious energy access project, we are the
[00:13:14] second when it comes to that and we are now implementing our own
[00:13:18] where we are targeting 17.5 million niger
[00:13:22] under one project called distributed and through renewable
[00:13:25] energy scale of a $750 million dollar
[00:13:29] like told you that would incentivize private sector to bring in
[00:13:32] 1.1 billion that we are deploying
[00:13:35] 1,350 mini grids which as at today
[00:13:39] over 1,00 are being project develop and now we can give you the data
[00:13:43] anybody interested can ride to urural electification step by
[00:13:47] step that is one two this is the first
[00:13:51] time in the country where 48 interconnected mini gri
[00:13:55] that would inject fresh additional 288
[00:13:58] megw of new capacity that is been project
[00:14:02] deployed 80 48 interconnected mini
[00:14:06] gr 288 megw of capacity and
[00:14:10] give you all the location from delta to kaduna
[00:14:13] to oyo to ondo to
[00:14:17] aqua ibom to anambra and we were all in this
[00:14:21] state where we engaged with the governors and we requested
[00:14:25] for the land where we are going to put this massive
[00:14:28] infrastructure, we were a number with professor Charles
[00:14:32] Soludo where he promised to give the land,
[00:14:36] adama had already given the
[00:14:38] land, this are
[00:14:42] you saying in the next one, two years
[00:14:45] that states will not need to depend,
[00:14:48] we won't even reach two years, within the next one year all
[00:14:52] this project will be completed. already within the
[00:14:56] 100 m remind you they will listen to absolutely oh
[00:15:00] absolutely now go to kano for example in kano go to
[00:15:03] ballagaza go to um rem mikia
[00:15:07] go to um um ambata they will tell you they are
[00:15:11] already getting the their mini greet go
[00:15:14] to um olamoboro go to
[00:15:17] dekina in kogi state they will tell you
[00:15:21] they are enjoying the electricity already
[00:15:25] so quickly look at you've invested so much in tertiary institutions, universities
[00:15:29] you've brought
[00:15:30] in the off all the many greed in there and the complain university
[00:15:34] used to have, we don't have enough power to run the system. system,
[00:15:38] it's no longer the complain. this are federal universities, you have not
[00:15:41] ventured into state universities, are you going to venture into state universities? and
[00:15:45] also beyond just providing electricity, what other benefit does the
[00:15:49] system derive from heavy investment in those
[00:15:53] facility? so we currently completed 15
[00:15:56] universities, 15 federal universities, all completed
[00:15:59] injecting close to 100 megw of capacity in those
[00:16:03] universities, massive infra renewable infrastructure.
[00:16:07] university of Abuja here it's about 5
[00:16:11] megw, university of Medugo 12 megawatt,
[00:16:14] potakot 11 megwatt,
[00:16:17] kalabasa, IMOri 8 megw, all this
[00:16:20] completed, now we the plan is
[00:16:24] to continue to do to cover all the federal
[00:16:27] universities, as we completed this 15, we are planning
[00:16:31] another set of 18, university of ibadan
[00:16:34] over, university of Lagos. university of
[00:16:38] Nigeria Insuka University of Benin University Amadubelo
[00:16:42] university federal university will carry tarab and the revenue generating the
[00:16:45] al in all these um universities we
[00:16:49] deployed the infrastructure we meeted them and they pay for the
[00:16:52] electricity now to answer your question what other benefit
[00:16:56] we are doing we are now leveraging on that
[00:17:00] asset to generate more funded for us to do other
[00:17:03] universities what i mean here the honorable minister of power
[00:17:07] approved the establishment of Ramco renewable energy asset management
[00:17:11] company, that Ramco, all these assets contract of
[00:17:15] this asset will be innovated into that Ramco, so the Ramco
[00:17:19] will be created with a balance sheet that has close to 200, 300
[00:17:23] million dollars and based on that asset balance
[00:17:27] sheet, the iramco will go to capital market and raise more
[00:17:31] funding that are would use to continue to cover other
[00:17:34] university, so we are not just waiting. not going to have
[00:17:38] funding money problem, we will not continue to wait
[00:17:41] till the public funding, we have been very creative
[00:17:45] to leverage on the asset that we created, working with mofy,
[00:17:49] ministry of finance um incorporated, working with
[00:17:53] them to now leverage on our asset to
[00:17:56] generate more funds to continue to deploy this infrastructure,
[00:18:00] impressive performance there there i will say, will you also
[00:18:04] consideruh government will look at making? need a priority
[00:18:08] like we have in the villa that it's it's solar and
[00:18:12] some people criticize the fact that it is solar but it's an alternative
[00:18:15] yes it is energy transition yes but there are several public
[00:18:19] institutions that are not connected that still run on
[00:18:23] generator and some people say wasting money and all
[00:18:27] that uh when we have we can develop the renewable energy for
[00:18:30] instance one the financial institution i don't want to mention the
[00:18:34] name is running 24st. on
[00:18:38] generating sets, what would you say
[00:18:40] is a government establishment? so the the we are one step
[00:18:44] ahead also in that regard, in if you look go back and
[00:18:48] analyze the uh 2025
[00:18:51] budget, you will see that the
[00:18:55] the president approved 100 billion nara for real electrification
[00:18:58] agency under a scheme that called national public sector
[00:19:02] solarization initiative, this is a
[00:19:06] specific initiative. that enhance that focuses on
[00:19:10] providing electricity to all the federal government
[00:19:13] institutions, be it within the FCT or
[00:19:17] outside the FCT, that had already commence, we looked
[00:19:21] at including the National Hospital, we are looking at some
[00:19:25] government top government agencies that I don't want to mention mention their
[00:19:29] names, well we are not looking if they are government instituted
[00:19:33] and they have revenue generated, we are not focusing on them, we are
[00:19:36] focusing: on critical that may not necessarily be government
[00:19:40] generating agencies first in this under the national
[00:19:44] public servization initiative and we had already started including
[00:19:48] government polytechnics including
[00:19:52] um medical centers federal medical centers across the country so will
[00:19:56] it be right to say that uh off grid electricity
[00:19:59] generation is the new normal in Nigeria not only in Nigeria
[00:20:03] all over the world now if it is the new normal in
[00:20:07] Nigeria like it is in some parts the world, will it
[00:20:10] is it just about solar? so so the the
[00:20:14] you consider offgrad through hydro
[00:20:18] offgraded through waste to energy, why i'm coming to the issue
[00:20:21] of waste to waste to power is that in the 774 local
[00:20:25] governments in Nigeria, they all have huge
[00:20:29] deposit of wastes and they are not
[00:20:33] utilizing it to generate electricity, what is happening to
[00:20:37] that asp? so so you see generation of electricity now
[00:20:40] it's no more a technical thing, there has to be a
[00:20:44] commercial, because the sustainability the
[00:20:48] electricity infrastructure. is contingent
[00:20:51] upon a commercial framework embedded that
[00:20:55] will ensure that that infrastructure continue to operate over a period of
[00:20:58] time and it is more even congent when it comes to
[00:21:02] renewable energy because the battery have
[00:21:06] lifespan of 10 years by after 10 years you have to replace it
[00:21:10] so that is why when before we go to adopt
[00:21:13] any means of generation we have to look at the economics
[00:21:17] what happens with the west to power it's a model that all over
[00:21:21] the world is being used to generate electricity, but the problem in
[00:21:24] Nigeria is that we do not have a structured means
[00:21:28] of depositing our west, so the west
[00:21:32] is all over scattered different places, but if that is economy they
[00:21:36] will do that, if it's structured in one place,
[00:21:40] because if I'm to generate electricity using waste, it means
[00:21:44] that I have to factor the cost of transportation of going to pick
[00:21:47] the ways in different locations. let me give you cexample, let me give you
[00:21:51] clear example, in abuda you have the ido, yes, in Lagos you
[00:21:55] have the olushosu, that is there, so there are states like
[00:21:59] that that have a central place where the deposit,
[00:22:03] but yet they are not generating, that's what we're talking about,
[00:22:06] yes, if we have a place where
[00:22:10] by one we have the west, and the west
[00:22:14] is the type that can generate the electricity, and there is
[00:22:18] continuous supply, remember? that we will be borning the west
[00:22:21] continuously to generate the electricity and we
[00:22:25] have to make sure that there is a supply chain that continue to bring the
[00:22:29] waste the quantity that we needed, we would generate you
[00:22:32] have the capacity to do that, so if a state as in state
[00:22:36] a is interested and have put
[00:22:39] in the logistic will look gladly, so which means you are
[00:22:43] waiting
[00:22:43] for them, absolutely, we would generate, the only thing, the
[00:22:47] only carv is that the cost of that. logistic, i should not
[00:22:51] burn it, because if i'm to cover at the cost of
[00:22:55] logistic, the tarif the electricity that we generate would
[00:22:58] be very high, and we will want to make sure that whatever we
[00:23:02] generate it's within the the limited tarif
[00:23:06] framework that we want, and why, and that
[00:23:09] is why we adopting a lot of solar, because solar, the the
[00:23:12] economics is right, the you don't once you deploy the
[00:23:16] infrastructure, the only thing you do is to continue to be clear. in
[00:23:20] the the panels so it's makes the cost of
[00:23:24] generation cheaper and and the
[00:23:27] amortized cost the infrastructure visais the tarif is
[00:23:31] within the allowaby rates that we can accept okay
[00:23:35] let's let's this this solar solar grid
[00:23:39] and all those pv panel the batteries do we have the
[00:23:43] local producing capacity for those litnum we talk about or
[00:23:47] is just uh litnum assembly plants the one celebrating is just we're just
[00:23:51] assembling or we have capacity to manufacture and
[00:23:55] actually make money from exporting the technology so this is
[00:23:59] another area of that this the
[00:24:02] the the government presidentubu is also championing and
[00:24:06] changing the directive before his assumption as the president the
[00:24:10] total manufacturing capacity of uh pv panel
[00:24:13] photovoltaic panels in Nigeria was just around
[00:24:17] 120 megawatt capacity.
[00:24:28] in the pipeline, go to lego shagamu access, you will see
[00:24:32] more than four companies that are now in the process
[00:24:36] of building the manufacturing plant that will manufacture PB
[00:24:39] panels, go to Uyo, go to Bayalsa, go to Kano,
[00:24:43] you all see this manufacturing outfit coming up, and this is
[00:24:47] as result the Nigeria first. policy that Mr.
[00:24:51] President uh approved, which
[00:24:53] incentivized this companies, so we are reversing that trend.
[00:24:57] what we are even working is not just creating
[00:25:01] manufacturing outfit, but making Nigeria to be the
[00:25:05] manufacturing home of West Africa, manufacturing
[00:25:08] panels in Nigeria and distributing it in all over
[00:25:12] in all other part of, yes that it's already even
[00:25:15] started made in uh
[00:25:18] Nigeria. pb funnel in lagus in
[00:25:22] cotun lagos is already been exported
[00:25:26] to Accra Gana and being sold by a Nigerian company
[00:25:30] is already happening and the more we get this se 3.7
[00:25:34] gigawatt manufacturing capacity on board it will continue
[00:25:37] to to to take that direction
[00:25:41] of manufacturing Nigeria and export it to all the African camp we
[00:25:44] incentivize the private sector by providing them with
[00:25:48] capital grants. under result based
[00:25:52] framework for them to invest to to
[00:25:56] um deploy before we now they before they unlock the
[00:25:59] grand from us so they ent world bank
[00:26:03] financing that the federal government gave us, it's been
[00:26:07] implemented under a PPP arrangement
[00:26:10] and result based framework framework
[00:26:14] that partner between us and the private sector, so so
[00:26:17] this donor this financing
[00:26:20] by by donor countries and organizations is
[00:26:24] impressive and is massive, what if such
[00:26:27] funds are blocked? there was a time the US president donald trump blocked
[00:26:31] certain...
[00:26:33] uh uh funds, so what if it happens? you don't have that kind of
[00:26:36] allocation from the budget, so how will you survive? so so that is why we
[00:26:40] are already thinking ahead, even this regard we are like 10
[00:26:44] steps ahead, i just informed you the plan for
[00:26:48] rural electrification to leverage it is asset and go to capital
[00:26:52] market rais funding so that that balances up and at the
[00:26:56] same time we are also making the
[00:26:59] market matured, matured in the sense that... that we want to
[00:27:03] reach level where by the private sector we don't have to incentivize the private sector,
[00:27:07] the private sector had already gotten the confidence drive themselves, they can drive
[00:27:11] themselves, just lastly before we go, where do you derive
[00:27:15] this motivation and this drive to do what you're
[00:27:18] doing, because when Nigerian listen to what you have your
[00:27:22] scorecard, that do you get the motivation to do
[00:27:24] that? well for me, it's i
[00:27:28] feel that it's an obligation on me, um, when i was
[00:27:32] appointed as the MDO of Royal Electrification Agency when the former
[00:27:36] minister recommended me to Mr. President for appointment, I
[00:27:40] have never known the minister have not, he only heard of
[00:27:44] me and what I have done, if something like that can happen
[00:27:47] to someone in
[00:27:49] the democratic speech the president he mentioned your your agency, exactly, do
[00:27:53] you feel impressed with that? I feel more challenged for the
[00:27:57] present, thank you so much for
[00:27:59] coming. Thank you so
[00:28:03] much, now that is all that time will permit us to take on
[00:28:07] this particular edition of fireworks, until I come away again next week at the
[00:28:10] same time, I rem your
[00:28:12] sincer.
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