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[00:00:38] am today on the program YEC releases
[00:00:43] of 2026 results with
[00:00:44] of 1.2 million candidates pass in English and
[00:00:49] of mathematics with those
[00:00:50] 167,486
[00:00:54] results over exam mal practice. President
[00:00:58] Tunuubu orders EFC's. to get an order
[00:01:02] on freezing orsum state account opposes timing
[00:01:05] of action and later on the show northern senators
[00:01:09] forum congratulates quar state on rescue of war or
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[00:01:36] of Now let's begin the conversation, it is said that
[00:01:40] examination mal practice may improve a
[00:01:43] of score, but it never improves mind, hence the needs to
[00:01:47] discourage it, while the west african examination council W
[00:01:50] recorded slight decline in examination mal practice
[00:01:54] cases in the 2026 West African senior school certificate
[00:01:58] examination it. failed
[00:02:03] of 167,486 results. The head of Wayak
[00:02:06] Nigeria National
[00:02:08] of
[00:02:10] of of Office Amos Jezier Dunget said the figure is 1.11%
[00:02:13] of lower in than the 9.7%
[00:02:18] of of of recorded in u 2025, but it warned that the increase that
[00:02:21] of the increasing use of cell phone in the examination hall in
[00:02:25] spite
[00:02:25] of the existing ban and organized cheating in some schools
[00:02:29] and continue to threaten the credibility and
[00:02:32] quality of Nigeria's education
[00:02:36] system. All
[00:02:38] of right, let's start this way, I mean with only 1.2
[00:02:41] million candidates, which are percentage wise
[00:02:44] 61.54% of
[00:02:47] a candidates obtaining credits passes, including
[00:02:50] English and mathematics. Should this be viewed
[00:02:56] in
[00:02:56] a as? of well,
[00:03:00] "we always want to see better
[00:03:03] of performance, better performance
[00:03:08] of of than uh what was witnessed in the preceding
[00:03:11] year, but we've seen worse
[00:03:15] cases, you seen
[00:03:17] of worse cases
[00:03:19] of and that is why and
[00:03:21] a we cautiously say this is not a
[00:03:25] bad result, if um you
[00:03:29] have a situation" in which 61%
[00:03:32] of obtained credits above um
[00:03:36] uh credits and above in
[00:03:37] of five subjects, you cannot
[00:03:39] of say that is all
[00:03:40] of together a bad performance because we certainly have
[00:03:43] seen um
[00:03:45] of years of when it was lot worse um
[00:03:49] this
[00:03:52] of 1.959.668
[00:03:55] of candidates from 24,207 schools
[00:03:58] and across Nigeria, Berne Republic, Code
[00:04:02] divoir and Equatorial Guine.
[00:04:06] So the sat for the
[00:04:09] exam, one of
[00:04:13] this figures 61.54, obtain
[00:04:16] credits and above in five subjects, including
[00:04:20] English. This is what
[00:04:23] universities Star Institutions will ask of
[00:04:26] you, so it means that more
[00:04:30] than 61.5%
[00:04:32] of the candidates who
[00:04:34] a sat for this
[00:04:35] examination can get
[00:04:39] into
[00:04:40] of tartiary institutions, all
[00:04:44] that they need to do is to also pass those entry
[00:04:46] examinations like
[00:04:50] of jam as it is the case in our
[00:04:52] of country and then the post jump
[00:04:55] examination postme um
[00:04:59] ex so it's not
[00:05:02] of a bad
[00:05:04] result, but the students can do much
[00:05:08] better, what I'm worried about is
[00:05:11] of the
[00:05:11] of increasing, mm pension of
[00:05:15] um candidates to cheat to gain the
[00:05:19] system and the people continually
[00:05:22] using cell phones inside the examination
[00:05:26] hs is what uh we should
[00:05:29] discourage
[00:05:31] 167,486 candidates had
[00:05:35] their um
[00:05:38] research with held representing uh
[00:05:42] 8.59%
[00:05:47] and this is 1.11 percent lower
[00:05:51] than the 9.7% recorded in
[00:05:54] 2005, so this is also an improvement,
[00:05:58] something that we need to be happy about that
[00:06:01] the the number of wetiled
[00:06:05] results
[00:06:05] declined,
[00:06:09] so that's the of course again.
[00:06:14] um the gender, the performance
[00:06:17] of female candidates
[00:06:21] was noticeably better
[00:06:23] than uh the performance the male
[00:06:27] candidates,
[00:06:28] 28.65%
[00:06:31] the
[00:06:32] candidates um
[00:06:36] got five credits
[00:06:37] including English and
[00:06:41] maths. what 32.89%
[00:06:45] of female candidates got um
[00:06:49] passed English and mass, five credits and
[00:06:53] including English and mass, so is
[00:06:56] um, it's a miss
[00:06:59] grill, in some places, in some situations you can say
[00:07:03] yes, this is good enough, some
[00:07:07] cases you can say no, as I talked about earlier,
[00:07:10] anything um... that shows a decline
[00:07:14] actually we tell result we can say this is good news
[00:07:18] okay and then certainly
[00:07:22] um we cannot say that a situation in
[00:07:25] which 1.2 million the
[00:07:29] candidates passed english mass
[00:07:33] english and mass and
[00:07:36] did
[00:07:38] uh score up to five credits we cannot
[00:07:41] say um, they've not done well, okay?
[00:07:44] 60, 61%
[00:07:47] is way above pas mark, we will want
[00:07:51] to see improvement in future, but don't forget that
[00:07:55] these figures and these
[00:07:58] statistics harvested
[00:08:00] include candidates from other countries,
[00:08:04] okay? so we are not talking about nigerians
[00:08:07] alone, because it's not an examination body for Nigerians
[00:08:11] alone, so... uh they they have not distilled
[00:08:15] the data in such a way that we can determine
[00:08:18] whether a good chunk these people do did not do
[00:08:22] well were actually from equatorial ginning um
[00:08:26] code divoir ben republic okay and
[00:08:29] other countries involved so um
[00:08:33] i think that
[00:08:35] the we can do
[00:08:38] better pupis can do better okay and I
[00:08:42] want to see greater attention paid to
[00:08:46] um improving on the integrity
[00:08:50] these examination and one the ways to do
[00:08:52] it is to ensure that nobody can get away with
[00:08:55] cheating once we are able to do that the
[00:08:59] examinations integrity will go up and
[00:09:03] we know that whatever scored five credits in the
[00:09:07] school examination wask must have
[00:09:11] hand it okay. so okay, that is
[00:09:15] my submission. all right, today, why said the mal practice
[00:09:18] cases have reduced, yet we see over
[00:09:22] 167, but i want
[00:09:24] to know, should we celebrate this or should we be alarmed by the share
[00:09:28] number of suspected cases?
[00:09:30] well,
[00:09:34] to have seated during the exams, over
[00:09:36] 167, it means that the
[00:09:40] examination bodies, the school. and the parents because most of
[00:09:44] those cases of shootings is result of
[00:09:47] connevance between the school authorities, the
[00:09:50] parents, because you don't have to shy away from that, the parents and the
[00:09:54] system, the system in the fact that you have some schools that
[00:09:57] invitates to look, look the other side
[00:10:01] where the students are committing shitting, and that is case of
[00:10:05] collaboration between the school management, those schools are organized
[00:10:08] private centers, special centers and parents.
[00:10:12] centers miracle centers and parents induce yes
[00:10:15] induce invitators induce schools there are some school that charge
[00:10:19] specific f so you can't imagine by before the resort come out
[00:10:23] some people some school advertise that next year we are going to make
[00:10:27] 90%, 90% going to pass mathematics and in English
[00:10:31] when your students are here to see for the exams, so I think
[00:10:35] what you have to do is that like GD said you have to give
[00:10:38] credibility to the system, yes there has to be a system which
[00:10:42] schools are properly monitored, they talked about the use of cell
[00:10:45] phones, use of cell phones, because you see you cannot if the
[00:10:49] inigilating thing is done well without the connovance of
[00:10:53] school authorities, I keep on saying. there are some schools that bribed invitators
[00:10:57] to look away while the students muggle in cell phones, i
[00:11:01] think something has to be done up and penalty
[00:11:05] have to schools that most these
[00:11:08] schools are the ones most these private schools are capable in this
[00:11:12] thing because they want to impress parents who paid so much
[00:11:15] money for their words to pass by all means
[00:11:19] necessary so if they are the ones if they are f grity i think they
[00:11:23] should be penalized. if they are penalized it to serve as deterrant
[00:11:27] to others, because when schools are found to
[00:11:31] be collaborating with students and digilators, it
[00:11:35] has undermined the integrity the system, and at the end the day you see why I'm
[00:11:39] not so particularly impressed, most the universities what brought about the
[00:11:43] UTME is the fact that when the
[00:11:46] students they claim to get A1 in English, a1 mathematics
[00:11:50] in all the core subjects, when they get to the university after the first semester
[00:11:54] exam okay. semester exam you discover that they could
[00:11:57] not match their performance in work could not match
[00:12:01] their performance in school and you could not match it means the
[00:12:05] certificate you obtained the result you obtained to gain admission you are
[00:12:09] not the one that wrote it if you're not the one that you not be able to meet up
[00:12:13] with the first year in school and most no there was a particular year that university
[00:12:17] have to exp advice 200 students about 7 years ago
[00:12:21] to withdraw from 100 level it means something is wrong
[00:12:25] with the examination system, it means they are unable to defend
[00:12:28] certificate they carry, and if they are unable to defend the certificate,
[00:12:32] what is the use the examination, which means the examination system has been
[00:12:36] compromised, and when you have an examination compromised, you cannot really, and
[00:12:39] that brought about the issue of jump,
[00:12:42] t, there's no need for it, because if
[00:12:45] somebody scores a one is six subjects, there's no need for you to
[00:12:49] ask, you want to test him again, because he has proven beyond that,
[00:12:53] but because of this... malpractices
[00:12:55] and the the experience the school espcially the gre
[00:12:59] on the the first generation university
[00:13:01] universityif what they experience
[00:13:05] with students who claim to have good result is a
[00:13:09] contrast to the result they claim to have and as result of that they
[00:13:12] pressurize at UTMU but before we go what message does this
[00:13:16] widespread examination mark practice send to serious students who
[00:13:20] succeed through hard work well well well i think they
[00:13:24] the the the just have to remain, they have to remain what they are,
[00:13:27] because at the end the day you see the result that you have, you be
[00:13:31] able to devend it anywhere, he should be able to know that whatever they have, even when
[00:13:35] you manage to get the minimum entry requirement to the university,
[00:13:39] okay, if it is your result, the result that you wrote
[00:13:43] yourself, at
[00:13:43] the end the day does not stop you from making a first class exactly, does not
[00:13:47] stop you from making a so the f that somebody sheated and you know that the person
[00:13:51] shoted he got high grace does not honestly mean that he will finish better
[00:13:55] than you, so if you manage to score five credits and
[00:13:58] somebody, the cumulative is about 65% after the
[00:14:02] UTME and
[00:14:03] the other guys call 85%,
[00:14:05] it is after the first or second semester exam in school that you know who
[00:14:09] really worked hard, really worked, so think it is better for students to keep on working
[00:14:13] hard, and their certificates, i like what b said that
[00:14:17] until they distill the
[00:14:19] data
[00:14:24] examination. No, okay, we are await that one. All right, let's take a trip to
[00:14:28] Oshin State, shall we? Okay, our next
[00:14:32] conversation, while politics may cause division, governance
[00:14:36] must never be allowed to hold people hostage.
[00:14:40] President Bolatinobu has directed the economic and financial crimes
[00:14:43] commission EFCC to immediately unfreeze the
[00:14:47] oshin state government's accounts. President Tinubu describes the
[00:14:51] agency's decision made just days before the... governorship
[00:14:55] election as embarrassing, the move follows
[00:14:59] widespread criticism that the account uh restriction
[00:15:02] appeared politically motivated.
[00:15:06] okay uh, this matters generated a whole lot of you,
[00:15:10] comments, but the president's directive to the EFCC to
[00:15:14] unfreeze uh the accounts the state government, to
[00:15:18] you, what does it
[00:15:19] signal?
[00:15:23] i think it was the right decision. taken by the
[00:15:27] president, okay, my only
[00:15:30] disappointment is that it should have
[00:15:34] been the office the attorney general the federate.
[00:15:38] issuing that statement,
[00:15:40] okay, with of course with
[00:15:44] the um approval the
[00:15:47] president,
[00:15:51] that is my only as for whether it was
[00:15:55] right to take that decision, i will say it was
[00:15:59] right. i have spoken to some
[00:16:01] people yesterday that what was the point
[00:16:05] in doing this? You see, there are some people around the
[00:16:09] president who do not give him good advice,
[00:16:13] oh okay, and if indeed the president did not
[00:16:16] know that this action was
[00:16:20] taken, then it's very unfortunate,
[00:16:23] because every evil
[00:16:26] action is blamed on the
[00:16:30] president, okay, if
[00:16:33] rights in the ministry of interior, the president doesn't get.
[00:16:49] whereas somebody gives approval
[00:16:51] for his actions, somebody
[00:16:55] appointed him to that position and that
[00:16:58] person agrees with
[00:17:01] him to take those big
[00:17:04] decisions, he cannot appropriate money to himself.
[00:17:09] but in our country, every voting is blamed on the
[00:17:12] president,
[00:17:16] even if people find it difficult to copulate in the right way, it
[00:17:19] is still b that is pressed, that is
[00:17:22] blamed, so I can understand the tone and the
[00:17:26] messaging in the
[00:17:27] president the
[00:17:30] presidential statement, in law, it
[00:17:34] is the person who signs a statement, that
[00:17:38] is deemed the author the statement, I am
[00:17:42] aware, for example, okay,
[00:17:45] that the the general the
[00:17:47] federation
[00:17:50] input was
[00:17:53] clearly sort even
[00:17:57] in putting this together, so it's not like something
[00:18:00] that was done over the head of
[00:18:02] latif, the chief law officer of our country,
[00:18:06] no,
[00:18:10] was uh invited and he made
[00:18:14] his input, but at the end the day is the president
[00:18:17] who then officially or thought
[00:18:20] this, I knew from reading
[00:18:24] that is different to
[00:18:27] the usual press statements issued by the media office the president, so I
[00:18:31] knew that this was different thing, but
[00:18:35] people had been at. backing the president, oh he wants to read
[00:18:39] election, this and coming not far
[00:18:43] away from the
[00:18:47] statement made, the unfortunate statement made by
[00:18:50] cardinal nayekon that inobu is
[00:18:54] desperate to win, such a statement that shouldn't have come
[00:18:57] from respected clergyman, coming
[00:19:01] not far away from there, you can understand how the president was
[00:19:05] thinking, because when people take
[00:19:09] this kind of actions, it can
[00:19:12] have kind of boomerang
[00:19:15] effect even on the outcome the
[00:19:18] election as it concerns the ruling party,
[00:19:22] today some the people that i spoke to said
[00:19:25] clearly that action was already
[00:19:28] handing sympathy for
[00:19:31] the for the candidate of accord
[00:19:35] party. this
[00:19:39] the
[00:19:40] the the, i agree with the president that
[00:19:42] DFCC can take some
[00:19:46] actions on his own, but
[00:19:50] clearly the timing of this coming so close to an
[00:19:54] election, just a little over a week to an election, will
[00:19:58] send the signal that these people are desperate to win by all means, so they
[00:20:02] want to deny um accord
[00:20:05] party the opportunity to be able to uh, mean
[00:20:09] to
[00:20:09] use public
[00:20:13] funds, because everyone now literally
[00:20:17] believes that the way to win an election in our country is to buy votes, i'm
[00:20:21] embarrassed by some of what people are
[00:20:23] posting, showing clearly that
[00:20:27] money was already being transferred to people ahead the election, this thing happened in
[00:20:31] equity some years back,
[00:20:35] you can't be transferring money. to people
[00:20:39] ahead the election, we got to do
[00:20:42] something about vote buying, and we know that
[00:20:45] IFCC on every election day, they tried their best
[00:20:49] to... less people involved in vote buying, but
[00:20:53] when you take this kind of action, as you as a
[00:20:57] politician as a political tactician, he knows that this will boomerang
[00:21:01] on his party, and I'm impressed
[00:21:05] that he had to call the governor, because whatever people may
[00:21:08] say, the governor as shown
[00:21:12] clearly that Ashwaju is someone that he wants to
[00:21:16] support, he is ready to work for, so the president will...
[00:21:20] want to be a position where the governor thinks that the president
[00:21:24] has joined other people to bring him down
[00:21:27] okay, because he said clearly that look, we refuse to
[00:21:31] feel the candidate because we have endorsed you,
[00:21:34] so the as you knows that he owes it a
[00:21:37] duty to be fear to a man who has announced
[00:21:41] publicly that he is going to back him in the
[00:21:44] election, so after the governorship election there will be other
[00:21:48] elections, so
[00:21:52] my own, i appreciate what has been
[00:21:55] done, because people will now see that this president
[00:21:59] wants to allow a level playing feed, and we've seen presidents like
[00:22:02] that in this country,
[00:22:06] when Osho mole won the
[00:22:09] election, he was happy, he
[00:22:12] thank the president at the time that he did not use
[00:22:16] federal might, the same thing happened in '
[00:22:20] and bra state, the president refused to get
[00:22:23] involved, so I believe that no
[00:22:26] matter how people are thinking, this president
[00:22:30] wants to show, the governor
[00:22:34] of state that look, if you are
[00:22:37] going to lose this election, it will not be because I got
[00:22:40] involved, and the signal now from
[00:22:44] this, what I can see clearly is that the
[00:22:48] APC - they want to win, they must win
[00:22:51] fairly, because
[00:22:55] if they don't win fairly, people will point at some the what has
[00:22:58] happened, because this amounts to harassment on
[00:23:02] the part the EFCC, and they've been saying that some the
[00:23:05] EFCC have arrested some their people and
[00:23:09] and other, they've been harassing some their people, so it was a good
[00:23:13] thing, the only thing I disagree with is the
[00:23:17] president um, come from the
[00:23:21] general person this statements. i know that
[00:23:25] when people are put under pressure, this sort of thing can happen. okay, the
[00:23:29] AGF should have been the one given this instruction.
[00:23:32] after all, the AGF has
[00:23:36] power to withdraw any
[00:23:39] criminal case against
[00:23:41] anybody, without anybody questioning him, he has the
[00:23:45] power to do knowledge prosecute
[00:23:47] anywhere. is the person has that
[00:23:51] power and he is the person among the ministers, he
[00:23:54] is the most senior minister by hierarchy and is the
[00:23:58] minister whose role cannot be
[00:24:02] delegated to anyone,
[00:24:05] so the attorney general the federation should have been allowed
[00:24:09] to get in touch with the EFCC and say look, this is
[00:24:13] not the time for this, let's do it to still
[00:24:17] achieve the same aim, if you if At least he says, I
[00:24:21] have the directive the president to call
[00:24:24] off what you have done at this
[00:24:27] stage,
[00:24:28] the signal that this one sense is that the
[00:24:31] president um has
[00:24:34] the uh um latitude
[00:24:38] to uh stop any prosecution on the part the
[00:24:42] EFCC, and the president must
[00:24:44] give that clear
[00:24:48] sign, okay, that it
[00:24:49] does not get involved in uh
[00:24:52] what dfc is doing all
[00:24:54] right because already people have been saying this not
[00:24:58] just about - alone so whatever
[00:25:01] action he takes that appears that he can really nearly
[00:25:05] stop the FCC from taking action from doing his
[00:25:09] work will send the wrong signal that
[00:25:13] oh that means this one maybe they fail to
[00:25:16] clear with him they clear with him before. they can
[00:25:20] proceed with their work, i like the fact that
[00:25:24] this uh on freezing would happen, now they have to go to
[00:25:28] court, okay, to get the order the
[00:25:31] court, freeze the account, all right then, we need to go on
[00:25:35] this uh quick break right now, okay, and when we return to about time, i'm going to be
[00:25:39] asking you, did the EFCC drop the ball here, we get to
[00:25:43] talk about this right after this break, don't go
[00:25:46] anywhere,
[00:26:08] All right, you're welcome back, it's still journalist hangout, I still have today about right
[00:26:11] here with me, and
[00:26:13] BK, okay, at right there,
[00:26:17] Abuja studios, so before we went on that break, I ask you, according to the
[00:26:21] EFCC, they said they observe suspicious activities in
[00:26:25] that on that account, and according to the section 34 the EFC
[00:26:28] act, they have a right to, did the EFCC do the right thing? or
[00:26:32] your opinion did they drop the ball here? well, actually, under normal
[00:26:36] circumstance, if we are a normal political
[00:26:39] environment, every institution like the president said, is free
[00:26:43] to act independently being being
[00:26:47] presurized, breat upon by the president or any other
[00:26:50] senior officer the state, okay, but because what the AFC has done
[00:26:54] is being feeled as wrong because it is politic is seen as been
[00:26:58] politically inexpedient at this particular moment to make them.
[00:27:11] the president seems
[00:27:11] to have been b to a corner that the president is trying to
[00:27:15] use his powers to stop the AFCC ordinarily if there's no
[00:27:19] election okay when you look at the the the
[00:27:22] account in question is the ecological
[00:27:25] accountecological the entire account
[00:27:29] ecological fund account the state government. the
[00:27:32] EFCC, they have been politically inexpedient, maybe we will
[00:27:36] have expected that the EFCC should study the mood the polity
[00:27:40] before taking any decision, but that directive in effect is also
[00:27:44] affecting the independence the EFCC or any other
[00:27:47] institution of government, is this the first time the EFCC is doing
[00:27:50] this, probably close to the election, is this the first
[00:27:54] time
[00:27:55] the efc very close to the election, close to the election,
[00:27:59] because if you look at different states has done something like this?
[00:28:04] no, it has no record so far, but when you look at the f that for instance if the police
[00:28:08] should go and arrest or should the son of a senior
[00:28:11] person in government is involved any criminal act few
[00:28:15] days or few weeks to the election, are you now
[00:28:19] asking the will you ask the police not to arrest the person or not to try the person?
[00:28:23] i think this thing has also put ash government in very difficult
[00:28:27] situation, you know why why the eFCC will be on the will
[00:28:31] still be doing their job? after the election, if any
[00:28:34] fraction is seem to have been done, they will go
[00:28:38] back and begin to do what they are supposed to do, because what they are saying is
[00:28:41] that ecological fund is not political fund, you
[00:28:45] understand
[00:28:46] that the money is being withdrawn not for the purpose for which
[00:28:49] it is meant for, the AFC can hide on that thing, but because in the
[00:28:53] political environment in which we are operating today,
[00:28:56] it is not expedient and they have put the president a very tight corner
[00:29:00] by assuming that the president is using
[00:29:03] EFCC to stop the other party so that his own party can
[00:29:07] have an upper hand, okay? so so the problem is
[00:29:11] because the political environment in which we are operating, and that is why
[00:29:15] we can say the AFCC has done the wrong thing, it's because we are reading political
[00:29:19] motive to it, but naturally under normal circumstance, they are
[00:29:22] doing their job as they have been doing, so the president's
[00:29:25] action president action yes, because to be able
[00:29:29] to d the political tension, the political tension. average nigerian
[00:29:33] average voter on the street like said on the streets
[00:29:36] of the easiest interpretation is that the
[00:29:40] president has tied back the hand of
[00:29:44] governor perception the
[00:29:48] election, but as it is now the president has
[00:29:50] also and maybe i say he has over demonstrated to the whole
[00:29:54] world that is not interested in guiding any the okay
[00:29:58] shows that the president is neutral in.
[00:30:11] from performing their job after the election, like i said
[00:30:14] that account will still be under scrutiny under scrutiny, that account
[00:30:18] will still be under scrutiny after the election, maybe has what done,
[00:30:22] EFC they have been politically right is to wait
[00:30:26] until the election and begin to now call
[00:30:30] for investigation or investigate or ask. people that have made that
[00:30:33] withdraw, if it
[00:30:34] is not the governor that has given, because the governor has immunity, okay,
[00:30:38] you cannot question what the governor
[00:30:39] has done, but for those people committed the infraction, other actors that other
[00:30:43] actors that committed the infraction, they have answer to give
[00:30:47] at later day, all right then okay
[00:30:50] gentlemen, let's move straight to our next
[00:30:53] conversation, hope grows
[00:30:57] stronger each time captives reget.