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[00:00:19] big news stories happening, we get
[00:00:21] up to break it, tv news first with
[00:00:28] of of of britan.
[00:00:30] of
[00:00:44] still uh some important business
[00:00:46] to be done. Okay, um,
[00:00:48] we you know we've been doing this series uh, politics ahead
[00:00:51] of the 2027 election, uh, right now, let let's look at it, the situation
[00:00:55] in aboy state, um, ebongi state,
[00:00:59] well, is an... PC state, its governor is governor
[00:01:02] Francis,
[00:01:06] and everybody knows,
[00:01:08] of well, I imagine everybody would know
[00:01:10] of thatliki, very popular town, is its
[00:01:14] a capital. I guess this
[00:01:15] of morning is the right honorable
[00:01:18] emmanuel, he
[00:01:22] is a former leader, state house of assembly, good
[00:01:26] morning to you, honorable.
[00:01:35] you are in
[00:01:36] of
[00:01:37] of opposition, yes does that does that make very
[00:01:41] much diff, in fact let me just take
[00:01:44] of your of let me take your view of um the state of
[00:01:48] uh politics
[00:01:49] me in boing state um
[00:01:53] because it
[00:01:54] of is often said that there there's
[00:01:56] of a of political crisis
[00:01:58] in aerborn state so let me just look at that, do you accept
[00:02:02] that
[00:02:02] of description?
[00:02:03] of yes, I don't
[00:02:07] actually subscribe to eboni has been a peaceful
[00:02:11] state for a long time, okay,
[00:02:12] of and in the southeast eby naturally have been
[00:02:16] the most
[00:02:17] in peaceful state for the past 10,
[00:02:21] 15
[00:02:22] a years, what is playing in is more of a home bread,
[00:02:26] executively backed democracy,
[00:02:30] terrorism and um, as you know,
[00:02:34] me opposition is one
[00:02:36] of the ingredients of true
[00:02:39] democracy, and if the
[00:02:42] executive for example is doing what he should do,
[00:02:46] naturally, as you look at some other states in Nigeria, you can, people are
[00:02:50] finding her even be in opposition, but
[00:02:53] in a state like Ebony is not about political party, not about
[00:02:56] PDP or APC or labor, is about the performance.
[00:03:00] and um, it is
[00:03:02] hard to, if you look at Abbia state closely, it is hard to even do opposition
[00:03:06] in abia state or in some other states in the southeast, because
[00:03:10] the chief executives, they have focus, they have direction, they
[00:03:13] have um policies that that you have
[00:03:17] um, what we call have chain reaction to the better life
[00:03:21] of the people,
[00:03:22] of but if um anybody
[00:03:27] me in any party is not performing, he is not a good ambassador of that party, a boy
[00:03:30] state, yes, was PDP, presently APC,
[00:03:34] but I think APC
[00:03:36] of needs
[00:03:37] of to ordinarily have had a
[00:03:38] of good
[00:03:39] of ambassador there to enable them campaign
[00:03:42] or boost, as I'm talking to you, there's nothing
[00:03:46] APC at the national level can
[00:03:49] of showcase to the world
[00:03:50] in a bunny, it can do in other states. I know
[00:03:53] when the president was
[00:03:55] in a number state, I know when he was in abbia state, I know when he was in
[00:03:59] IMO. he was any good, but he can't come to a b because there nothing to
[00:04:03] showcase
[00:04:09] and understand it, because um you being on ground uh,
[00:04:12] i well right now you're in Abuja
[00:04:15] in a studio in
[00:04:15] of abudia, but
[00:04:18] of uh when i say on ground you know the terrain well um how do you mean explain that
[00:04:22] to us what you mean by
[00:04:23] in there's nothing to showcase uh the glory of
[00:04:27] airboying mean the salt
[00:04:31] mean, mean
[00:04:32] of APC, APC as a party naturally, yes, may
[00:04:36] have may have good, may have good policies
[00:04:38] of and of possibly manifestos, but it has not been able to
[00:04:42] drop on the ground,
[00:04:44] of because the the there is no policy
[00:04:48] of in a boy that is gear towards the manifest of any
[00:04:52] of the political parties,
[00:04:53] in either of APC or PDP, it's
[00:04:56] of a loan,
[00:04:57] in uh, a desert or wilderness arrangement. where
[00:05:01] the executive there think that the sun rises and set in the
[00:05:05] bunny, imagine four years, we almost completing four years
[00:05:08] and there's no, there's no project with all
[00:05:12] the increment in federal allocations, which the whole world is
[00:05:16] aware that Nigerian governors are receiving money that
[00:05:19] are in 10, 100 times more than
[00:05:23] multitudes, multitudes are what they used to get before,
[00:05:27] yes, and the masses are the environment alone
[00:05:31] does not replicate a state, it now replicates more of a glorified state,
[00:05:35] in the last five, six, seven years when the minister the
[00:05:38] federal of works was governor, i have served all the governors
[00:05:42] and
[00:05:42] I have served three governors, so I'm the position to tell you that things are not
[00:05:46] moving, people are being like coassed now
[00:05:50] to be a party and is either you in that
[00:05:53] party or you're enemy the state, and that does not
[00:05:57] present the image of APC well, the
[00:06:01] remaining months in this pen, nothing can be
[00:06:04] achieved, if anything can be achieved, let them come to the studio
[00:06:08] here and showcase where it is, it is all more of this
[00:06:12] white elephant, commencement of high, that's what the present was
[00:06:16] talking of multiple flyover that have
[00:06:20] no beering on the life the people, sometimes you don't even know how it was
[00:06:23] conceived, you don't see a contractor as side, you don't see simples
[00:06:27] the contractor, you just see people there carrying these
[00:06:31] throws up and down in the name of building fly over here and there, this
[00:06:34] those things are not supposed to and not projects that have
[00:06:38] a direct bearing on the life the ordinary niger.
[00:06:43] and this is a challenging period, anything that the government does
[00:06:46] now that does not have direct bearing on the life the ordinary
[00:06:50] person does not only work against the people, he works against the
[00:06:54] government, he works against the manif the manifesto the party, when
[00:06:58] you look at the state, the governor there is not of
[00:07:01] APC, but APC can't even challenge him because
[00:07:05] they know the man is representing leadership, so you don't you
[00:07:09] do try an error in leadership where the life of people are involved, where
[00:07:13] the taxpers money is involved, money is shared every 30 days in
[00:07:17] Abuja, taking home, but when you get home you can't see it on the
[00:07:20] road, you can't see water, you can't see schools, you can't see
[00:07:24] hospitals, everything is showman business, all right, and with
[00:07:28] crisis, okay, and at the as we approach the
[00:07:32] election period, what you now see is is creation of
[00:07:35] terrorist s here and there to attack opposition,
[00:07:39] in the name of you must belong to this party, that is not what the president
[00:07:43] i know who was the one opposition
[00:07:47] party? yes sir, um, but as for
[00:07:50] the attack you know from opposition as you have put it,
[00:07:54] um, in fact is, I wanted to ask you to give us very brief history of
[00:07:58] how
[00:07:59] you know a former PDP state become an APC
[00:08:02] state, it it was formerly a PDP state, you were telling us, but
[00:08:06] right now I think viewers that are watching this would have picked up on the fact
[00:08:10] if they missed it earlier that
[00:08:12] you are clearly you know in opposition, which is your right
[00:08:16] to be, you know, um, but I was
[00:08:20] just uh, wondering, what, what you, what you
[00:08:24] think, for instance, okay, who's
[00:08:26] the APC, who's
[00:08:26] the PDP candidate, the PT
[00:08:30] candidate is um,
[00:08:33] also businessman
[00:08:37] a business
[00:08:40] model, was also the former candidate. of PDP in the last
[00:08:44] election, but I'm not even uncoring my my
[00:08:47] argument because the candidate of
[00:08:51] PDP, I'm anchoring my argument
[00:08:54] because the the state is komatos and recently
[00:08:58] the evolution of crisis, the
[00:09:01] you know one things you don't do to people is to push them to the wall,
[00:09:04] you can't beat a child and expecting not to cry, you
[00:09:08] received money in billions for up to three years and...
[00:09:13] and nobody is not affecting the life of anybody, you
[00:09:16] demolish houses that
[00:09:18] you want to build flyovers at the middle the town, lot of people
[00:09:22] have have met the ancestors because of
[00:09:25] frustration and depression, out the
[00:09:28] reckless abandon the government, a government that
[00:09:32] offer up to 400 contrast at exception, have lot
[00:09:36] of manifesto that is known as the they call
[00:09:40] it um,
[00:09:43] what call this manifesto uh none of those things that is
[00:09:47] enlisted the manifesto was achieved, none the contracts that
[00:09:50] kilometer state have not been completed in
[00:09:54] and
[00:09:55] in fact recently
[00:09:55] they were revoked in three years kilometer rules that we awarded
[00:09:59] to the houses of traditional rulers and
[00:10:02] subcommunities were abandoned, people were
[00:10:05] mobilized, due process is not taking care of, it's a
[00:10:09] matter of just executive brandry and particular
[00:10:12] attitude that tends to see the state as a
[00:10:16] banana state, not banana republic, it's not about even the party,
[00:10:20] if somebody in APC is doing well, you may not have the power
[00:10:24] or the... themerity to come and become
[00:10:28] um attackful, but for you to make the people to watch you
[00:10:31] for the years and there's nothing to show them as result
[00:10:35] the federal allocations that arrived, but you
[00:10:39] when you come the state you will not believe is a part of nigerian state,
[00:10:43] he's now one the most backward states, as I told you under the present
[00:10:47] minister of works, for example look
[00:10:51] at the activities the minister of works, is the APC. you
[00:10:55] can't actually criticize the minister now because he's delivering on his
[00:10:58] mandate, whether you like him or not, he's delivering, look at what
[00:11:02] is the minister, the minister is also a former
[00:11:04] governor, he a former governor, but look at what he's doing
[00:11:08] APC, he's he's delivering on roads, both
[00:11:11] PDP, APC, labor is proud of him, it's not
[00:11:15] issue of part, it's issue of failure,
[00:11:19] colossal failure, lack of direction and vision as a
[00:11:22] leader does not just mean because but and also if
[00:11:26] when a leader begins to be the wonder is trying to create
[00:11:30] crisis in his own domain remember
[00:11:34] it is not an as i'm talking to you that was crisis
[00:11:37] people were attacked yesterday people attacked before yesterday people attacked
[00:11:41] every day you can't gather anywhere me and it's not that if those is the
[00:11:45] attacking are helpless they are just they just want
[00:11:49] to be lawful in their
[00:11:52] attitude because the moment they begin to
[00:11:55] have reprisal attacks, you will not see that the state is no more in
[00:11:59] other, it will not be federal concern, for strated
[00:12:03] people can now go into the bush and become kidnappers, attacks will rise here
[00:12:07] and there, and is all about disturbing democracy, because if
[00:12:11] you performed the people will be happy, let tell you
[00:12:15] something, if you go to some schools and
[00:12:17] hospitals, majority them in the state, you
[00:12:21] understand that there is no sincere execution, of
[00:12:25] project is all th the once you see being done is done as window
[00:12:29] dressing just to paint picture that we are doing well okay when
[00:12:33] you look at
[00:12:38] that we don't have someone from you know the government
[00:12:42] side a boing to who would have the right of i challeng them i challenge them
[00:12:45] i challenge them to here or anywhere you
[00:12:49] did yeah they can't even if they come
[00:12:53] and we ask them to provide address of any project that was done in four
[00:12:57] years in state where it is located
[00:12:59] commissioned why you see them running her skater now is
[00:13:03] because the the challenge has come we are in election year how
[00:13:07] can a state not complete 2 km roads in three years which is what you're
[00:13:11] saying that's why i wish unfortunately i wish
[00:13:15] and this has happened once before i think we're going to have to work on this it's
[00:13:18] better to have
[00:13:20] you know somebody for the other side because right now nobody would buy
[00:13:24] the state for uh the way you have presented
[00:13:27] it, but again this is your viewpoint
[00:13:31] and you are in opposition, so not too many people are going to be
[00:13:35] surprised at that. um, how therefore, in the
[00:13:39] light of what your disposition is to this particular
[00:13:42] topic and conversation, how therefore do you expect the election to
[00:13:46] go, because um, governor, what,
[00:13:50] what, what you are saying, you see as if is going
[00:13:53] to be is going to be seeking. is going to be looking for his second term, not
[00:13:57] so, that is
[00:14:00] exactly what is the problem and the cross
[00:14:04] the matter right now, how is that? yes, explain to me how it's a problem that
[00:14:08] the sitting governor wants a second term,
[00:14:12] yes, you when you perform, you don't need to embark
[00:14:16] on home bread violence to prove that
[00:14:20] performance and argument to come back is
[00:14:24] when you tender port card, everybody if you
[00:14:27] available to see what you've done, and you
[00:14:31] don't just anchor your performance on the
[00:14:34] ground that you have done one thing in three years, the
[00:14:38] people on ground in a bunny, i founding finding life
[00:14:42] very difficult, not because they are not working
[00:14:45] hard, but because the environment did not give
[00:14:49] them the the the
[00:15:02] there's a mass exhators of investors out the state, there is
[00:15:05] capital flight, almost
[00:15:08] 90% the project in a bunny is
[00:15:12] done through incompetent direct
[00:15:16] labor, you cannot see any contrac side a boy that
[00:15:20] has cip the contractor's name or
[00:15:23] date of completion. or money, money, how much it was
[00:15:27] awarded? people have been enduring, and it's not
[00:15:30] because of political parties that you not subject people to this kind
[00:15:34] of of emotional torture.
[00:15:38] political torture, okay, because once somebody is losing hope in the
[00:15:41] system, it least emotional torture, you see, i will praise any
[00:15:45] APC man doing well, i will prs any APC
[00:15:49] man, i don't incline more to political party, inclim
[00:15:53] more to performance, okay, and the governor knows
[00:15:57] that by arrival of candidate to contest with him have throw him off
[00:16:00] balance, he has been, they have become cantacarous, they are going
[00:16:04] about destroying PDP um anywhere PDP
[00:16:08] is meeting, you go and vandalize the place, you see that you call
[00:16:12] the one name, it is a way of painting the nation
[00:16:16] black, we have left the level, tell me, tell me something sir, tell
[00:16:20] me something, thank you very much, and it's very, very important to be
[00:16:23] hearing this viewpoint from the opposition, you've just finished you
[00:16:27] thinking the merits of opposition to any political uh system,
[00:16:31] um, very briefly, how did you
[00:16:34] know, how how did your um, how did
[00:16:38] become an APC state from being a PDP
[00:16:42] state eboy was never an ap state,
[00:16:46] it is through the instrumentality the former governor who is now the
[00:16:50] minister of works when it was
[00:16:53] pertinent that the but you
[00:16:57] nigerian system you say you want to join the national
[00:17:00] grade national greed in politics is joining the
[00:17:04] ruling party and the governor sorted with some the
[00:17:08] leaders the PDP and said I am leaving
[00:17:12] PDP to join APC, they benefit
[00:17:15] more by joining
[00:17:18] APC, so when he when he evicted
[00:17:22] himself or when he left the party, he left
[00:17:26] PDP to join APC, everybody in the
[00:17:29] party joined him, you can see
[00:17:32] that one the one the arguments during the
[00:17:35] election. or was
[00:17:38] that most the candidates the party did not leave
[00:17:42] PDP, so
[00:17:44] became APC by
[00:17:48] chance, and in to be frank
[00:17:51] with you, this is the first time a boy man is
[00:17:55] becoming a minister of national notes, that means that there
[00:17:59] may have been reason joining APC or what
[00:18:03] the person that envisaged the saw and joined, but
[00:18:12] what
[00:18:12] do you call
[00:18:12] the dividend now is going backward, you cannot
[00:18:16] come and say that the present
[00:18:20] APC we had have now resembles the one that the minister of
[00:18:24] works was before being appointed, the
[00:18:28] one we have now is lacadesical representation of
[00:18:32] APC, it is an APC that put the
[00:18:36] state in commatos. we were wish that it was APC
[00:18:39] that was left behind, this APC have no policy
[00:18:43] direction, full of political
[00:18:53] where you, for example, you mapped out two billion that you
[00:18:57] want empower a bnya, because nigeriate is one the
[00:19:00] states that have the highest number of hors in the streets of
[00:19:04] Legos, Portsakot, Enugu.
[00:19:07] kaduna and cano, we have the greatest number
[00:19:11] of hackers who are mostly school drop out
[00:19:15] and one the first project was to bring these huckers
[00:19:19] home, reitegrate them and f
[00:19:23] them and you say you mapped out two
[00:19:26] billion and it was actually mapped out to this
[00:19:29] hour, no evidence of
[00:19:33] who and who got the money 2
[00:19:36] billion? and and so that
[00:19:38] policy and so that policy of trying to bring
[00:19:41] back you know the money was released,
[00:19:45] but it was released, but you are saying
[00:19:49] you don't know where it went, it was released, it was released
[00:19:53] to them the commissioner, the story went the s
[00:20:33] much about state, except through the
[00:20:37] many.
[00:20:41] yes and the track record of
[00:20:44] d mahi was the one that brought
[00:20:48] out that? used to be very quiet
[00:20:51] state and I i'm sure
[00:20:54] it was through his performance
[00:20:57] that the state became
[00:20:59] noticeable so and the
[00:21:03] governor or that for governor has come to
[00:21:06] the l light as a you
[00:21:10] know as a miracle in terms of works
[00:21:13] ministry that man is amazing is a gift to
[00:21:17] Nigeria and I every time one
[00:21:21] is thankful about having such people, because
[00:21:24] he is a r peg
[00:21:26] a round hole, he fits very well into
[00:21:30] that works ministry, knowing exactly what he's
[00:21:34] doing, you see for your guest, i would
[00:21:37] say on that assessment, i have issues with what he
[00:21:41] is saying, because they
[00:21:45] might also the governor, the present
[00:21:48] governor, to become governor, so I'm
[00:21:52] sure he is a godfather to the man,
[00:21:56] so and I would expect that devil my will be performing
[00:22:00] wonders at the national level and allow his state to go
[00:22:04] komatos, so I have issues
[00:22:07] with his submission on that,
[00:22:11] I was listening and I felt, okay, as he said,
[00:22:15] if he's not being partitioned then he will be
[00:22:18] objective. but that objectivity became defeated when
[00:22:22] he said in four years that they have not done 2
[00:22:26] kilometers of road, then I knew that is a
[00:22:29] spoiler,
[00:22:30] you know, yeah, in f years, is actually barely three
[00:22:34] years or so, let's say in some couple of months, it will be
[00:22:38] four years, but you are now saying
[00:22:42] of road, that's scandalous, the years, the years,
[00:22:45] extremely scandalous, scandalous especially
[00:22:49] with the... governors are pulling strings and at some other
[00:22:53] points he is talking about uh maybe the man is
[00:22:57] not uh is not providing
[00:23:00] projects that are impacting on the lives the people, if he saying
[00:23:04] that I would have listened to that, but he went across border and now
[00:23:08] said he he he justified that abier state
[00:23:12] is performing wonders
[00:23:14] but is nowhere to
[00:23:17] go, this man is being partition. again is a
[00:23:21] formal leader in that state, that's right, let tell
[00:23:24] you, any leader, anyone who has
[00:23:27] been a leader before that comes to the platform or
[00:23:31] to the public and start criticizing the present
[00:23:35] leader and claiming that they have not performed well, that
[00:23:38] person should be, anybody should suspect the
[00:23:41] person right, anyone should suspect that
[00:23:45] person, because leadership is if you
[00:23:48] have done one has done
[00:23:50] your own time, the failure of this man will not be so
[00:23:53] bliring, whatever you have done if indeed if indeed
[00:23:57] there has been failure, if indeed there has been a
[00:24:01] failure, yeah, if you
[00:24:04] if you not a failure,
[00:24:05] the present
[00:24:05] one will not be a failure, so they should moderate their
[00:24:09] talk and take collective responsibility, thank
[00:24:28] but the matter speaks for itself, the matter speaks for
[00:24:32] itself, it is not a matter
[00:24:35] of propaganda, is not is the
[00:24:39] the the the the it is open, it's not something that
[00:24:42] you when i said for four years, this is getting to four years
[00:24:46] now that we have been having good.
[00:24:53] good flowing development, but he was one the most rising states in
[00:24:57] Nigeria, I work with the former governor and the project that
[00:25:01] we was part of it, and I'm the one on ground to tell you
[00:25:04] that for the past four years it is on
[00:25:08] record, it can be goggled, goggle
[00:25:12] revocation of contracts
[00:25:13] a bony, gogle will show you and ask why was it revoked, it
[00:25:17] is not prop, it's not even politics.
[00:25:20] it is that
[00:25:21] the policy the government does not look like
[00:25:25] what we are witnessing in other states
[00:25:28] or even at the federal level, the
[00:25:31] government there is lakadsical
[00:25:35] about the the the welfare
[00:25:38] the people on ground,
[00:25:42] you know leadership, we must have a that what is the what is say called charter
[00:25:46] of needs a but today you cannot wake up
[00:25:50] and to any state government hospital and say that
[00:25:54] you're going to receive treatment
[00:25:57] on on 24 hours basis whatever is being
[00:26:00] done is not something. that i will now say
[00:26:03] it here
[00:26:17] that is relevant to this kind of topic so how do you expect the elections
[00:26:21] to go um the incumbent governor uh
[00:26:24] governor francis uh he's you know representing
[00:26:28] himself for second term so what do you expect you?
[00:26:32] told me the name the PDP uh candidate, so what do
[00:26:36] you expect come the election? what's what
[00:26:40] what we're expecting is, you know, one, we talk
[00:26:43] of not
[00:26:46] causing commotion in the system, okay, that
[00:26:50] will trigger restiveness or violence and
[00:26:53] allowing free and fair election, because a
[00:26:57] homemade
[00:26:58] a home bread violence, as I'm telling you that for the past one week
[00:27:02] now, "it has been if you are on ground and you
[00:27:05] have performed, you don't need to fight physically with the
[00:27:09] opposition, you just showcase your score card, like the last speaker
[00:27:13] said, if he has, if he's sympathizing with
[00:27:17] them for any reason, he should ask them to show
[00:27:21] showcase a scorecard that resembles the amount of money
[00:27:25] that was received by the state in the past three years, it doesn't
[00:27:28] even go close, don't even mean that is underproved."
[00:27:32] like what is the state the water supply? what is the
[00:27:36] state the health sector? is the
[00:27:38] what the state primary health sector or
[00:27:41] schools? apart from those ones, why initiate
[00:27:45] violence if you know you're on ground?
[00:27:47] what is the impression? thank you very much sir,
[00:27:51] we've completely run out of time on this particular subject matter, but
[00:27:55] um these where you ended, i indeed the things we shall be you
[00:27:59] know asking
[00:28:00] you know the you know the... official, the government official,
[00:28:04] if not the governor himself, that comes up, how would you respond to
[00:28:08] this that opposition has told us is the
[00:28:33] um, we look at another subject, um, the president intervening in the
[00:28:36] EFCC action, uh, that's right up here uh, when we
[00:28:40] come
[00:28:40] back.
[00:29:25] move over to um, the
[00:29:29] oshon election coming up, and of course the big news. from here
[00:29:33] is that the EFCC has frozen an
[00:29:36] account, well clearly one the most important
[00:29:40] accounts, but uh, I've been hearing that, well, nevertheless,
[00:29:44] citizens of Ashun have been paid their salary, so it maybe it wasn't the
[00:29:48] salary account, but long story short,
[00:29:51] president has intervened in the matter and has
[00:29:54] asked the EFCC to return to court where
[00:29:58] presumably he they got the order from empowering them
[00:30:02] so... do uh, but the president has now said, well
[00:30:04] go back to the supreme, go back to that court and vacate
[00:30:08] that order please, because there's no way
[00:30:12] um, given the time lag between now and the
[00:30:16] election that this will not
[00:30:18] you know be seen as a problem for them, so
[00:30:21] effectively the president said maah node,
[00:30:25] i don't know anything about this, but he never said
[00:30:29] those words, but that would what is action would seem to... said and he has
[00:30:33] said that this should be uh revoked. okay, Mr.
[00:30:36] jam, director strategic communications in
[00:30:40] mole campaign
[00:30:53] tell me your reaction when you heard the news that the president had
[00:30:57] intervened and had said that matters must be returned to the status