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[00:00:46] Britain.
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[00:01:24] very kindly, Nigeria is hurting not because we lack
[00:01:27] of brave men and women in uniform, but because too many Nigerian. now leave with
[00:01:30] uncertainty, a farmer leaves home, will he return? a
[00:01:34] child boards or school boss, will the parents see that child again? a
[00:01:38] commuter begins a journey, will it end at the intended
[00:01:41] destination or in the hands of kidnappers? across the country,
[00:01:45] communities are battling
[00:01:46] of bandatory, kidnapping
[00:01:47] of has become industry, rural villages are emptied by fair and even
[00:01:51] our cities are no longer immune, every new
[00:01:54] of attack raises the same disturbing question, is Nigeria's current police
[00:01:58] instructure enough for the... security challenges of
[00:02:01] of today? some insist
[00:02:02] of the answer is obvious, they argue that governors are called chief
[00:02:06] security officers, yet they have no operational control
[00:02:10] over the police protecting their states. they believe officers
[00:02:13] of recruited from local communities understand the language, the terrain, the
[00:02:17] culture and the criminals. to them, state policing is no
[00:02:20] longer an option, it is
[00:02:22] of necessity, but another school of thought
[00:02:24] of says, not so fast, the one that creating state
[00:02:27] of police may simply replace one
[00:02:29] of problem, with another, could governors weaponize security agencies against
[00:02:33] political opponents, could ethnic loyalties weaken
[00:02:37] of professionalism, could poor states even afford to maintain an effective
[00:02:40] police today? we move beyond slogans,
[00:02:44] a beyond politics, beyond emotions, we examine the facts, the fears, the
[00:02:47] possibilities and the future of
[00:03:10] in of me
[00:03:35] Nigeria, the conversation about state policing has grown louder than ever.
[00:03:39] Supporters describe it
[00:03:40] in as a missing piece in our security architecture. Critics believe it could
[00:03:44] create even greater dangers. Today we bring together two respected
[00:03:48] voices with sharply different perspectives. First, we have Dr.
[00:03:51] Dixon Osaje, he is an internationally certified security
[00:03:55] experts, strategis and consultant with more than two decades of
[00:03:59] experience. advising government, multinational organizations and of
[00:04:03] a course corporate institutions on risk management and security operations. He
[00:04:07] has consistently argued Nigeria's insecurity requires
[00:04:10] institutional reform beyond simply
[00:04:13] a creating state police. Please
[00:04:14] of welcome Dixon Osaje to the
[00:04:18] a podium.
[00:04:28] joining him on the other side Dawn. is a public affairs
[00:04:31] analyst, broadcaster and commentator who believes Nigeria's centralized
[00:04:35] police instructure has reached its limits. He argues that
[00:04:39] empowering states with their own police services will bring security
[00:04:42] closer to the people and improve accountability. Please
[00:04:46] John
[00:04:47] of to welcome the
[00:04:47] or
[00:04:47] podium.
[00:05:49] All right, now we have - two contenders right here on the podium, so we're going
[00:05:53] to begin this conversation very clearly, first I want to begin with
[00:05:56] my doctor on uh, my left here, Dr. Sage, you
[00:06:00] are saying state police is not the solution, how do you
[00:06:04] begin? All right, thank you very much, Macotabo, uh, you know, we talk about solution, we're
[00:06:08] talking about answers, we are talking about uh uh how you bring a state
[00:06:12] of mess. to an end, that's what solution is all about, so when you say uh
[00:06:15] the state policing is the solution uh to the
[00:06:18] multidimensional security threat bedaving our country is a big fat
[00:06:22] lie and I tell you that because uh the Nigerian criminal justice
[00:06:26] system is not made the state policing alone is made up the police, the
[00:06:30] judiciary and the prison so if you pick out uh just one uh
[00:06:33] institution from these three and you think uh that that is going to be the
[00:06:37] solution I tell you that it's not going to work because the multidimensional security threat
[00:06:41] from all angles and yes some of you - beautiful faces here in the
[00:06:44] audience i came in from far and i am sure your parents called you are you have
[00:06:48] you arrived where are you now you know because they are worried simply because our road uh we
[00:06:52] have the bad guys that have taken over our road and uh most times the nigerian police
[00:06:56] try what they do uh try the best to get most these criminals and at the end the day
[00:07:00] you find
[00:07:01] that the judiciary you know uh takes time delay in passing
[00:07:04] judgment and when they take them to the prison at the end the day you also find
[00:07:08] out that uh they come back more harden criminal that is the
[00:07:12] area of residivism, residivism is one the major problem we're having in this country, so if you
[00:07:16] want to say that state policy is solution, tell you it's
[00:07:19] not a solution, except we look holistically and address the root
[00:07:23] cause and the causative factors the security thread be devilling
[00:07:27] nigeria, st policing i stand to family uh
[00:07:31] disagree that it is not the solution uh quote and quote the
[00:07:35] problem of nigeria, thank you,
[00:07:47] All right, Dr. You heard the way he started, and you see he was very
[00:07:51] firm about it, he's telling us, look, we have to look at it
[00:07:54] holistically, and that is not the way we feel we can
[00:07:58] tackle this, how do you begin from your own end as well? Okay, so
[00:08:01] um, thank you once again for having me, and thank you everyone for
[00:08:05] comment, I think um, you have to begin
[00:08:08] something for you to be able to arrive at somewhere.
[00:08:12] "and if you continue to have the argument that state police is not
[00:08:16] the solution to our security problem in Nigeria, that means that we just want
[00:08:20] to lazy out and fold our arms and not do anything about
[00:08:23] it. every insecurity issue is
[00:08:27] local, and we cannot take our policing to
[00:08:30] federal and be able to solve any local um security
[00:08:34] challenge. for instance, Nigeria is a country of about
[00:08:37] 250 million people, over 250 ethnic
[00:08:41] nationalities. you cannot 36 states plus federal
[00:08:45] capital territory, you cannot have a situation in my
[00:08:48] community and you are relying on other that comes from abuja before you get
[00:08:52] it solved, and the question is very simple, it's not whether we need
[00:08:56] the more security, we've agreed to that fact that insecurity is a
[00:09:00] challenge that needs to be solved, but the question is can the
[00:09:03] policing structure that we have presently solve the problem, and to me the
[00:09:07] answer is simply no, it's not no because they do not
[00:09:11] have the competen. or the capacity, it's a no, because you you
[00:09:15] cannot totally understand the local communities, I mean the
[00:09:19] insecurity situation in my community in on those state is
[00:09:23] different from the ones perhaps you're facing in kara state, so we need
[00:09:27] people who understand not just the security situation, but the
[00:09:31] local terrain, who understand the language the people, who
[00:09:34] can collaborate and coordinate their people, who can
[00:09:38] extract information from their people to be able to solve our
[00:09:41] insecurity. situation in Nigeria, but if anybody comes on air
[00:09:45] to argue that the problem we have in my local community
[00:09:49] can be solved with the understanding of Abuja, I am here to disagree with the
[00:09:53] person and tell you that one major solution that we
[00:09:56] change the security face of Nigeria, it's state police, and I think it's
[00:10:00] a direction to
[00:10:01] go.
[00:10:18] he said whether you like it or not, even though he understands your perspective, he's
[00:10:21] saying these security challenges we have is low. and there
[00:10:25] is no way
[00:10:26] we will not be able to fight it without the state police, because you need people
[00:10:30] who are on ground, indigens who understand the terrain to be able to
[00:10:34] extract information and intelligence to make this work, so how do you argue
[00:10:38] against that? well, he said we are going to begin it in and i
[00:10:42] think it's not informed that Nigeria has practiced state policing
[00:10:46] before. in 1966, 68, general go on
[00:10:49] abolished the regional policing system that we're practicing in this country, because
[00:10:53] initially we were practicing. policing system, but in
[00:10:56] 1966, 68, he discovered that one the major
[00:11:00] reason that the Nigerian state is been divided was because the regional policing system,
[00:11:04] we have the regional police, the western regional policing system, we also have the eastern uh
[00:11:08] policing system and as well are the northern regional uh policy
[00:11:11] system, so when he came into power,
[00:11:13] he said no, for the sake of national unity and peace that
[00:11:17] this state police, regional policing must be abolished, and it was
[00:11:21] abolished, 60 years down the line, you're coming back to what was abolished 60.
[00:11:25] ago, it's like uh, you know, we don't follow history, for me, I
[00:11:28] think uh, general is alive, respected man, and if
[00:11:32] we must get it right, go and ask him why did you abolish the state policing, and I
[00:11:36] strongly believe you never made a mistake, one the reason why he abolished the regional policing
[00:11:40] system was because the regional manipulation, because it was resulting to
[00:11:44] regional conflict which resulted to the uh 1962 crisis,
[00:11:48] 1960 crisis, 1958 crisis across all region and say, hey,
[00:11:51] we cannot move a country where you have some region regional. leaders allite
[00:11:55] using the police within their territory to harass other region
[00:11:59] and as well to harass uh harass the nigerian states so that was why the
[00:12:03] regional policing system was abolished down the line 60 years ago we
[00:12:07] have uh federal policy system the negal policing system which was established in
[00:12:11] 1930 and today the Nigerian policy system is about 96 years
[00:12:14] old yet the federal government have not deim it fit to look into their
[00:12:18] motivation the government has not seen
[00:12:20] diby feed to look into their welfare all you think is bringing about state policing it's just
[00:12:24] like a b husband, you didn't take it of your wife and you're bringing a second wife, that second
[00:12:28] wife will not stay, is going to run away, so what we have now today is a bad husband bringing
[00:12:32] a new
[00:12:44] here is confusing regionalism with the present state structure that we
[00:12:48] have, and apart from that, i want to make it very clear that the concept of
[00:12:51] democracy is the concept the people, people are
[00:12:55] take can this at the center of democracy and you rightly put it when they
[00:12:59] want to describe democracy they call it
[00:13:02] miss that a government where people wear what i'm wearing now, but
[00:13:06] do not make a mistake,
[00:13:12] agbara you what i'm wearing now is beyond the description of ijob to alagbada, be the federal government, take the shirt to be the state and my trouser
[00:13:16] to be the um the local government, the ag may create an impression
[00:13:20] that he can cover everywhere, but immediately you take off the shirt, people begin to
[00:13:24] doubt whether... or whether you are actually saying, it means that the federal
[00:13:28] government can actually come with the impression that they can secure the entire country,
[00:13:32] but without the imput the state, it will be practically impossible. what
[00:13:35] i'm trying to put across to my friend today is that lot of
[00:13:39] things have actually changed from the century that you are mentioning to the current
[00:13:43] reality. in 2014, cattle
[00:13:46] rusling banditry was on the global terrorism
[00:13:50] index, as at the time you were talking, they weren't there and it was
[00:13:54] because because the fact that a community of 250 million
[00:13:58] people we can't have the population that we are having to police us
[00:14:01] and we we think that we want to be secured what i'm
[00:14:05] driving at particularly is that
[00:14:08] regionalism is not what is driving this in security is what is
[00:14:12] driving this and we will not because of fear of whether somebody is going to manipulate
[00:14:16] a process and we will not recreate a system that we keep our life
[00:14:20] and save our people
[00:14:37] was regional process structure what we have in our
[00:14:41] current dispensation is totally different ball game and he mentioned
[00:14:45] something he said democracy is about the government the people if
[00:14:49] the people are demanding that they need to be secured
[00:14:52] localized you need to make security local analized: why is that a
[00:14:56] problem? well,
[00:14:57] it is a problem because they fail to understand that the problem we are suffering
[00:15:01] from is not just men security issues. Nigeria has be devilled with religious
[00:15:05] brutality, and you cannot tell me that state policy is coming to resolve religious
[00:15:08] brutality. Nigeria is suffering from ethnocentric brutality, and you're not here to tell me
[00:15:12] that state policy will address ethnocentric brutality. Nigeria is suffering from
[00:15:16] economical brutality and most of you here sited have been brutalized economical
[00:15:19] wise, and you cannot tell me that state policing system will address the economic situation the
[00:15:23] state. Nigeria has been brutal. by trab differences and that's why you see
[00:15:27] the, you see some,
[00:15:28] I don't want to mention him, some tribes engaging themselves, Nigeria has been brutalized by
[00:15:32] b and lot of issues, simply because we don't have effective
[00:15:35] government system in place that address. the causative factors of this menace
[00:15:39] b our country, security is good and I tell you state security, state policy is just
[00:15:43] a structure, it's not - economic drive, it's not
[00:15:47] a solution that will address those people that has their mentality that if you
[00:15:51] are not a, you are not from a particular religion, you are not a human being and
[00:15:55] you can be behed any time, state policy will
[00:15:57] not address that, state policy will not address terrorism, and let tell you state
[00:16:01] policing has no boundaries, sorry kidnapping and terrorism has no
[00:16:05] boundaries, because if you kidnapping and terrorism has boundary simply hips that
[00:16:09] state police will come and mitigate. now let tell you, we're all going to live with crime
[00:16:13] till
[00:16:13] we die, we cannot eliminate crime in this town, because crime will live with
[00:16:17] us till we die. the only way is that we as
[00:16:21] citizen we can al mitigate crime, you cannot eliminate
[00:16:25] crime. that is why i stand here to say that nobody's born a criminal,
[00:16:28] society makes people a criminal. years ago guy came to the court and
[00:16:32] the judge was his classmate and the judge look at him and say, you are my classmate, what
[00:16:36] happened, why did you going to? crime, this is society in America where you have
[00:16:40] two persons, one is a criminal and the other one a judge, and you are telling me that that state is not
[00:16:44] where police, this state is where police, simply because society has messed up lot of
[00:16:47] people, economic situation has messed up lot of people, unemployment has messed up lot of
[00:16:51] people, even politicians, they messed up this country to a state whereby is
[00:16:55] beyond repair, during election 2017 is coming, you see them calling the
[00:16:59] Nigerian youths, abusing them to go and snatch bilot boxes, are those guys are snatch ballot
[00:17:03] boxes, are they politicians? no, so the foundational problem we have in this country is
[00:17:07] beyond st. policing, it is from the strategic center of gravity, from
[00:17:10] the top, if we don't call our leaders together and bring them as as one
[00:17:14] to address the problem in this country, state policy is going to be
[00:17:18] avenue whereby you have created 36 more problems to the
[00:17:22] state, thank you very
[00:17:23] much,
[00:17:28] you heard all the facts he dropped, you cannot actually wish them
[00:17:32] away, but how do you come in with this uh situation
[00:17:36] now? okay, going to come in by telling you that you will not because the
[00:17:40] fear of what might happen and you stop a process that can lead to what is
[00:17:44] better. it is certain as we speak now that the
[00:17:47] federal policing system is is um when it
[00:17:51] comes to structure is 40 not in terms of competence and i'm going to make
[00:17:55] very clear example if somebody dies in oj the local
[00:17:59] government area of undo state a a constable
[00:18:03] something is fine we need to travel to abuja guess approval of this.
[00:18:07] sector general of police before his pension and gratuity or whatever is
[00:18:11] paid. in fact in some cases we have seen situation where even the wife
[00:18:15] the disease is being molested in the process of getting
[00:18:18] payment. it tells you that the center is simply just far from the
[00:18:22] logic of security. it doesn't mean that there will not be element
[00:18:26] of abuse, but we can create same state from simily confused
[00:18:30] country. we will not come here to make an argument that because one part of our
[00:18:34] country is not working that the other part will not work. must mention to you that
[00:18:38] states are operating civil service, are they not productive? I must
[00:18:41] mention to you that even the courts, the justice system that we talk
[00:18:45] about, states run caught. In fact, I must also
[00:18:49] mention to you that as we have it now, there are some states in Nigeria
[00:18:53] that are running electricity, is the electricity they are running not even better than the
[00:18:56] one that the federal government is running, so my people
[00:19:00] here, I don't want you to be confused about the fact that one state
[00:19:04] in Nigeria can actually create better security system. that will be
[00:19:08] sample for every other state to to follow and for you to have an
[00:19:11] impression that somebody who is being controlled from Abuja will be able to
[00:19:15] give you the kind of security that you deserve a democracy that is looking like
[00:19:19] fallacy in every community and every democracy
[00:19:23] in the world go look at them they are policing structure there's an existing
[00:19:27] federal structure state structure and even in the local government where
[00:19:31] where where that is needed this is about gathering
[00:19:34] intelligence i have said it repeatedly that in in every
[00:19:37] community you you see, there are chances that 10% of that
[00:19:41] community want to take to the part of crime. It's the duty of government
[00:19:45] to rary the remaining 90% against this 10%, and one way that they
[00:19:49] can do that is to pick from among them to police among them, and
[00:19:53] the best way to do that is to stop
[00:21:16] uh don I need to put this question to you now there is an
[00:21:20] argument that if state police has to come, some states who have
[00:21:24] more numerical strength with their economic structure might decide to set
[00:21:28] up theirs to a certain degree which might cause a bit of
[00:21:31] disparity with the others. imagine a state police in other
[00:21:35] states, looking at other states and see how they are giving them the
[00:21:39] you know their accolades, the uh their purse is fart because
[00:21:43] they have the capacity to make it happen, would this not bring about
[00:21:46] disharmony a structure that we are just about getting...
[00:21:50] started okay, so it will not bring any kind of disharmony, let
[00:21:54] me to about two weeks ago, the federal allocation was released by the
[00:21:57] federal government, and if you look through, you discover that states don't e the same
[00:22:01] thing, so expectedly states don't have the
[00:22:05] same number of civil servants, states don't have the
[00:22:08] same number of court even broadcast station, some may have,
[00:22:12] some may not have, it tells you that as a state, one
[00:22:16] principle of leadership that is needed at this point is what we call the power.
[00:22:20] now situation has forced every state to take security as
[00:22:24] priority and what that means is that either you like it or not now
[00:22:28] every state must pay attention to security, it
[00:22:32] becomes one. in fact, mean i would like to inform you that some some of your
[00:22:36] governors take as high as 2 billion as security
[00:22:39] vote, some between 500 and 500 million and billion it
[00:22:43] shows that they have been taking the money and this is about time to deploy the
[00:22:47] money to the right source so there's no fair. if you have the
[00:22:50] capacity
[00:22:52] with within the limit of your population to employ a thous
[00:22:55] you will do a thousand and from there we keep growing, you will not say
[00:22:59] because uh my brother state does not have the capacity to buy an
[00:23:02] helicopter that i will not buy, my duty as a governor is to
[00:23:06] actually protect the the the people of my state that swore
[00:23:10] allegiance to do and must concentrate on that, so there's no fair
[00:23:14] about whether one better than the
[00:23:17] other. where's the two
[00:23:20] billion? where's the two billionaire are given to the state? what do
[00:23:23] you do with it?
[00:23:24] so so this is why state police is necessary? no, no, before state policing where is
[00:23:28] the two billion? because you and i don't know where they put the two billion,
[00:23:31] but for them to
[00:23:35] actually deploy the money. what are they do with the money presently? where is the money?
[00:23:39] i don't know, and you're here talking about state policing. that is what i'm telling you that state
[00:23:43] policy is not the solution, because the subject of discussion today is the word
[00:23:46] solution. it is a mitigating factor. i agree because when it comes to... crime
[00:23:50] prevention, we all talk about response measures, reactive measures, proactive measures
[00:23:54] and as well, reactionary measures,
[00:23:58] so for you to come here and say they've been giving them security vote as slow at 2
[00:24:01] billion, what the state governs are doing is that they are centralizing their problem, because if you use that
[00:24:05] 2 billion era to deploy some guys as intelligence components to go to various
[00:24:09] community and various states to use that money to ensure that they check guys that are
[00:24:13] within the environment that are coming to commit crime and pass
[00:24:15] intelligence that
[00:24:19] work is so what are they doing with the money? the
[00:24:23] truth is that billion, what we are doing
[00:24:26] is take 2 billion and you're not doing anything with it, now
[00:24:30] we have security challenge, do something with it, let's
[00:24:34] create somethinging the money there, it's as
[00:24:38] simple
[00:24:38] as that, don't be honest, because if you don't know what you are doing
[00:24:41] with the
[00:24:41] 2 billion, 2 billion is not 200 n, if you give 200 people 1 billion is
[00:24:45] going to change the country, for you to say state police state governors are giving 2
[00:24:48] billion. anything you say 2 billion they
[00:24:52] take 2 billion states today from the
[00:24:55] allocation that remove 2 billion a security vote and now we
[00:24:59] need to create an avenue where that money can be judiciously deployed
[00:25:03] for the security the people for me i think we
[00:25:06] need to start holding our state governor accountable because what's happening in our country is that we have
[00:25:10] centralized security issues because every governor comes on board to
[00:25:14] contest on this matter of security and when they get there they cannot handle
[00:25:17] security and they start crying to is not their mother, is not their
[00:25:21] father, you must and ensure that
[00:25:25] everything is well, state policy, i'm here to say as security
[00:25:28] professional, that is the way to go, but i want to ask how will you pick out a
[00:25:32] component from the three from from three institution, and i have said the criminal
[00:25:35] justice system is made of the police, the judiciary and the correctional
[00:25:39] facility, now you want to pick state policing and distribute it around state, if
[00:25:43] they arres would criminals
[00:25:44] they
[00:25:44] where take them
[00:25:45] to, today
[00:25:49] f years.
[00:25:58] i think i think at this point you have actually you have actually.
[00:26:02] spoking like a politician a politician is not considering preventive
[00:26:06] measure, he just looking at oh when they get to call, when we bring in
[00:26:10] state police, the essence of that majorly is to prevent crime, when
[00:26:14] you prevent crime and stop it from happening, you may not need to take people to
[00:26:17] to call, so when you gather information locally,
[00:26:21] it helps you to actually prevent crime, but you are lay emphasis on the three
[00:26:25] other aspect of our um of our system, and
[00:26:29] i'm telling you as important as that is. we must take the first
[00:26:33] step and the first step it is to understand to get people who
[00:26:37] understand our terrain to police our people we are tired
[00:26:41] of hearing just yesterday a community was
[00:26:44] rassack many people displaced that is what we are talking about so
[00:26:47] state police will have provided intelligence that will stop this from
[00:26:51] happening
[00:26:57] kidnapped
[00:26:58] i there no w we there because you are talking
[00:27:01] about
[00:27:33] as a template that we eventually be adopted when there's a legal
[00:27:37] framework to create state police where we are going now in on those state i
[00:27:41] can say of fact that amoteko has been able to stop some petty petty
[00:27:44] crime they are not doing what we expected them to do but we need this
[00:27:48] legal framework that they that we empower them to carry an
[00:27:52] ammunition that is better than
[00:27:54] the one the bandits are carrying as we have
[00:27:58] it now right the solution is that populate our people
[00:28:02] our community with people understand the terrain with the right infrastructure and
[00:28:06] equipment which we only be provided by the state policing legal
[00:28:10] framework the federal
[00:28:17] much you were asking a question the other time you were saying governor should be held
[00:28:21] accountable yes d is coming from
[00:28:22] an angle and saying since our governors have become very irresponsible
[00:28:26] most them since they have become so difficult
[00:28:30] to give accountability their action. let's create
[00:28:33] state police where we now see where that money is being deployed, at least
[00:28:37] the transparency of understanding that particular funds are now
[00:28:41] dedicated towards a new state police structure might now give
[00:28:45] Nigerians a bit of relief that okay, if things are still
[00:28:49] going bad as it is, the governor will now be held more
[00:28:52] accountable, I'm surprised my friend is shooting
[00:28:56] himself at the foot because he has already come here to declare that the state governors have abused
[00:29:00] funds and as well they are not uh accountable like you rightly say, how
[00:29:04] do you think a state governor who is not accountable to these people would not be accountable to state policing
[00:29:07] officers? let tell you something, the major challenges we are having in this country is
[00:29:11] societal attitude a change, we
[00:29:13] need a collective approach to solve the problem of this country, the people that are
[00:29:17] coming as state policing officers, they are not angels,
[00:29:20] if you people are going to state police officers, they are not angels, in fact if you break
[00:29:24] angels angels will be polluted here in nigeria because the society is messed
[00:29:28] up, so what we are trying to say is that our government needs to lead by
[00:29:32] example, state policy will not stop corruption, state policy is not going to
[00:29:35] eliminate unemployment, most of you in school brilliant
[00:29:39] guys after school, four, five years, you are out there seeking for a job, even if you get the
[00:29:43] job, the will pay you 100, 200, what is that supposed to
[00:29:47] mean, that's an abuse on human labor,
[00:29:49] what i'm here to tell you today is that if we have state policing system it is going
[00:29:53] to mitigate the split of crime, i agree, but it is never the solution to
[00:29:57] the splate of security in this country,
[00:30:07] structure, i quite understand, i said where were the yeah,
[00:30:10] yeah, i i quite understand where he was coming from when he said where was
[00:30:14] amotekon when it happened in all your, but you were able to actually hold
[00:30:18] your argument with the fact that amoteku is reflection of what we
[00:30:22] actually wants to happen when it comes to local policing, how do you
[00:30:26] expaciates with that? okay, so in Karno, there was
[00:30:30] a program i attended in Karno and some people came, they call them the hish
[00:30:34] bar, they are not state police, but it's a template that has been
[00:30:37] created for something that will prevent crime, so that when the
[00:30:41] legal framework is properly done, they can actually maybe
[00:30:45] transform into it and they have better equipment to actually fight crime.
[00:30:49] as we speak, the legality of state police cannot
[00:30:52] be debated because it is supported by every democracy in the world,
[00:30:56] especially the presidential system of government that we practice.