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[00:00:47] Welcome to the
[00:00:48] of Hallo Chambers where we look beyond the headlines to examine the
[00:00:51] decisions, debates and politics shaping
[00:00:55] Ninjaria's National Assembly. I am
[00:00:58] of tijesui. Now today we'll turn our attention to the
[00:01:02] legislature's oversight
[00:01:05] of responsibility, the controversy surrounding the alleged
[00:01:07] of fake federal
[00:01:09] of agency and the political battles ahead of
[00:01:11] 2027. now our guest is honorable
[00:01:15] of dab ismile representing Toro Federal Constituency of Bouchi
[00:01:19] State in the House of
[00:01:21] of Representatives. Honorable, welcome to the Hallo
[00:01:24] Chambers.
[00:01:30] Thank you for staying with the hello chambers, now my guest today is Honorable
[00:01:34] Ismail Dabo representing Toro Federal
[00:01:37] Constituency of Balchi State, it's good to have you on our
[00:01:41] program this
[00:01:59] with the hello.
[00:02:00] now my guest today is honorable member
[00:02:03] representing Toro Federal Constituency of
[00:02:07] Bauch State, it's good to have you in our studio,
[00:02:11] of honorable, thank you, well let's begin with the issue of
[00:02:15] this fake agency, the proported presidential foreign
[00:02:18] investment promotional council
[00:02:22] reportedly secured about 1.3 billion
[00:02:25] naira in the 2026 budget, despite has
[00:02:30] having no legal basis,
[00:02:31] now how did the fake agency survive scrutiny by the budget
[00:02:35] office and still pass through the national
[00:02:38] assembly? investigation is going
[00:02:41] on and we're all
[00:02:44] surprised with this unfortunate development
[00:02:48] in Nigeria where government officials will
[00:02:51] conive with some individuals to come up with
[00:02:55] fake agency and operate in Nigeria, you
[00:02:59] know some... uh people are not doing their
[00:03:02] work and some
[00:03:04] of have
[00:03:04] of compromise and after full
[00:03:07] investigation, it will
[00:03:09] be clearly known to Nigerians, those that are involved,
[00:03:13] those that undermined the constitution
[00:03:17] of the Federal Republic of Nigeria and they will be charged to court and they will be
[00:03:20] prosecuted. you said um some people are not doing
[00:03:24] their work, you admit that lawmakers also have
[00:03:28] role of oversight to... play on the executive and as a
[00:03:32] law maker who voted on the budget, do you accept that the national
[00:03:35] assembly failed in its constitutional responsibility
[00:03:39] to scrutinize public spending
[00:03:41] of the executive? how do we feel when we
[00:03:45] receive a budget from the
[00:03:49] of president presented to us through the office
[00:03:52] of the
[00:03:53] uh uh DG budget, they they call all these uh
[00:03:57] submissions from government agencies and department? men
[00:04:00] ministries for them to compile all the
[00:04:04] submissions, take it to Mr. President, and the president will
[00:04:08] present it to the National Assembly, I will work on it,
[00:04:12] and uh, along the line, the committee on
[00:04:15] appropriation that are charged with the responsibility
[00:04:19] of you, managing the national budget to
[00:04:23] of the point of passing the budget, we have
[00:04:27] lot and they we invite them for budget
[00:04:31] defense through their departments,
[00:04:34] supervisory
[00:04:35] min ministries that are supervising them and agencies
[00:04:39] and they keep on sending them to us, that's why i said some
[00:04:43] people will have to answer question
[00:04:46] on the uh uh being part of
[00:04:50] this criminal act by deceiving
[00:04:54] nigerians
[00:04:55] of and uh also presenting fake documents to
[00:04:59] the members. the national assembly members
[00:05:02] a of the parliament and they will be prosecuted. another proported fake
[00:05:06] body, that is the national brands development and made in
[00:05:10] Nigerian special project office. was subsequently
[00:05:14] uncovered and alongside I think two or three agencies there
[00:05:17] about, does this suggest that the PFI
[00:05:20] PC was not an isolated fraud but
[00:05:24] evidence of a wider failure within the federal
[00:05:27] bureaucracy. You know, with this
[00:05:30] development now presently
[00:05:34] we're working on
[00:05:37] uh amending of so many financial
[00:05:41] act. under the ministry of
[00:05:45] finance and other agencies that are
[00:05:49] connected to all these issues that
[00:05:53] have been raised or this negative development in
[00:05:57] Nigeria and after doing that you will see
[00:06:00] that all these issues will be addressed. It is quite
[00:06:04] unfortunate that some government
[00:06:07] officials from all
[00:06:11] sector from all all the agencies that are linked to
[00:06:15] this that are linked to this are
[00:06:19] so much uh uh they have abused the constitution let me put it that
[00:06:23] way and will push for their
[00:06:25] prosecution we push push for their
[00:06:28] prosecution after the investigation that is that is
[00:06:32] ongoing let's talk about the cost of governance because
[00:06:36] already we have seen hundreds of ministries, departments and
[00:06:39] agencies and yet lawmakers continue to introduce bills,
[00:06:43] establishing new commissions, institutions and
[00:06:47] councils. now how do you justify creating more institution when
[00:06:50] government itself says it has to reduce
[00:06:54] its cost of governance? yes uh,
[00:06:58] it's the work the executive and
[00:07:02] we in the parliament. today,
[00:07:06] as a member representing my constituency, i can
[00:07:09] present new
[00:07:12] bill establishment bill to either
[00:07:16] establish a school or any
[00:07:19] institution within my federal constituency, so it is
[00:07:23] now left for my colleagues in the parliament to say,
[00:07:27] okay, we have done it for a, b, c, let's just pass it for
[00:07:31] him, the executive should uh
[00:07:34] decide, if they have enough resources to
[00:07:37] embark on, fine, because the ball is in their
[00:07:41] court, we have. done it from the parliament, but we have been
[00:07:45] trying as much as possible within the parliament, you know
[00:07:49] this is uh democracy, you have to play
[00:07:52] is is is a game of interest
[00:07:55] and uh your interest is for you to see how you can
[00:07:59] develop to your area or how you can bring uh achievement to
[00:08:03] your area, either institution or government
[00:08:06] school, you understand, so it is now for the
[00:08:10] executive to also engage the
[00:08:13] parliament to see how all these things can be
[00:08:17] addressed so that we don't keep on bringing up uh uh
[00:08:21] establishment bills on and on and on and we have been talking to
[00:08:25] ourselves in the parliament that look we need to correct this and we have
[00:08:29] to stop this so lot have been stepped down in regards to
[00:08:33] establishment bills all right the national assembly has
[00:08:36] enormous overside powers but nigerias
[00:08:39] often hear law makers complain that
[00:08:43] ministries and agencies refuse to honor invitations or
[00:08:47] provide documents. now if parliament controls appropriation, why
[00:08:50] does it sometimes appear powerless when agencies
[00:08:54] still refuse to corporate? and when an agency repeatedly
[00:08:58] ignores parliamentary summons, at what point do you move
[00:09:02] beyond issuing another invitation and what are the real
[00:09:05] consequences that national assembly can
[00:09:08] impose? well, the national assembly is so powerful.
[00:09:13] very very powerful and for any head of
[00:09:17] agency, either a minister or DG
[00:09:21] or MD or executive ed,
[00:09:25] executive director, even the president, the national
[00:09:29] assembly can summon him and he have to appear
[00:09:32] before the parliament, not to talk of his
[00:09:36] appointees, refusing to appear before the parliament to
[00:09:40] either defend their doings or... to answer
[00:09:43] questions from the legislators, so
[00:09:47] for you not to to choose not to appear,
[00:09:51] you are joking with your with your with your future
[00:09:55] and with your reputation, the national assembly will
[00:09:59] issue an warrant arrest warrant
[00:10:02] and you will be arrested by the security agencies and that
[00:10:06] is the provision the constitution, but we never seen that take
[00:10:10] effect, we just see repeated. we have done, we have done that in so
[00:10:14] many case, let me give you an example, the head of
[00:10:17] uh um uh CAC, corporate affairs
[00:10:21] commission, the senate invited him like,
[00:10:25] like two or three times and he refused to come, they
[00:10:28] issue warrant
[00:10:31] of uh arrest for him to be arrested, and
[00:10:35] the next day he appeared, he came to the parliament
[00:10:39] and the queried him, and the parliament can recommend
[00:10:43] your removal from office, if not,
[00:10:46] whatever the president will bring to the to the parliament, to the
[00:10:50] house or to the national assembly, will stand not to pass it,
[00:10:54] will not... attend to it until you remove this person from his
[00:10:58] office for undermining the Nigerian
[00:11:01] constitution by failing to appear before the parliament and
[00:11:04] answer questions on behalf of
[00:11:08] Nigerians. Well, Nigerians serious questions about
[00:11:11] constituency projects, if lawmakers are supposed to
[00:11:15] legislate and conduct oversight rather than
[00:11:19] execute projects, why should individual legislators
[00:11:23] in effectively? mean which projects
[00:11:26] federal agencies implements in their constituencies?
[00:11:30] is not uh, we are we
[00:11:33] advise and we facilitate, we we don't
[00:11:37] determine. in my constituency
[00:11:40] today, my people might be needing
[00:11:44] bridge, schools and hospital, so it
[00:11:47] is my responsibility as their representative
[00:11:51] to make my submission based on the need and... the needs of
[00:11:55] my people, I cannot begin to say, okay,
[00:11:59] what uh, southeast people needs
[00:12:03] should also come and use the same template and implement in
[00:12:07] my is not done that way, that is why we are representatives the
[00:12:10] people, we bring the our problems
[00:12:14] on behalf of our people, we bring our
[00:12:18] submissions, what my constituents
[00:12:21] needs, then from their agencies,
[00:12:25] that are responsible for uh implementation
[00:12:29] of such projects will take it from there and they will do it, we
[00:12:33] don't execute projects with the uh the members the
[00:12:36] parliament, we don't, we only give submissions, they are in charge
[00:12:40] of advice or influence, what
[00:12:44] advice or influence, you said the uh honorable or the
[00:12:48] law makers actually advise in in where necessary
[00:12:51] for constitution project that they hope to be in their
[00:12:55] constituencies, now is this more of an advice or influence? no,
[00:12:59] we submit, we make submissions, because if today I
[00:13:03] do right on my own, if I know my constituence have
[00:13:07] problem with bridge linking uh
[00:13:11] from this village to another village, I will write from my office to the
[00:13:15] minister of works or road that
[00:13:18] my so so place is in need of
[00:13:22] this, kindly treat with. Does
[00:13:25] ranking, does ranking play any role in terms the quality
[00:13:29] the constitution projects that you you can attract to
[00:13:33] your region? yeah, it it's is very clear
[00:13:37] in uh, even in developed
[00:13:40] democracy, ranking plays a major role in
[00:13:44] terms of not just the project that you attract your
[00:13:47] constituency, the position that you will you will you
[00:13:51] will held in the parliament, in fact the office that you will occupy.
[00:13:55] high as your your your your your your
[00:13:59] ranking is increasing you're going upper if you are
[00:14:03] in first floor zero floor the your first
[00:14:07] term second ternar you
[00:14:08] will be at the second floor third you will be at the third floor fourth time
[00:14:12] you be
[00:14:12] at the fourth floor so you remain there that is the last floor
[00:14:16] all the ranking members you understand
[00:14:19] i had legislative experience it is not easy
[00:14:23] for you to win election three, two or four times coming back
[00:14:27] to the parliament and with somebody that just won election
[00:14:31] once, you understand? so even in advanced
[00:14:34] democracy, that is the practice, so
[00:14:38] it attracts you being a ranking member, you
[00:14:42] attract more project to your constituency
[00:14:46] than new member that just came in. all right,
[00:14:49] let's take this quicker break, we'll be back with more, stay with us, don't go
[00:14:53] anywhere, we'll be right back. This is your frontal seat to the
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[00:15:01] Saturday at 9 p.m. Only on TBC News.
[00:15:05] Thank you for staying with us. Now we are still discussing with
[00:15:08] Honorable Ismail Dabo and now we'll be moving
[00:15:12] into what is expected uh as the campaigns
[00:15:16] have started. Now the ABC says is ready for
[00:15:19] 2027. Beyond the rallies, beyond the
[00:15:23] endorsements and also the... sections, what evidence shows that the
[00:15:27] party has clear strategy and functioning campaign
[00:15:30] structure nationwide? if you look at
[00:15:34] our campaign organization, Who
[00:15:37] clearly, you know, answer this question. We're very
[00:15:41] organized, unlike the other opposition
[00:15:45] parties. We have all our structure in
[00:15:48] place, and we will start campaign, we tell
[00:15:52] Nigerians what we have done, we tell Nigerians what we have
[00:15:56] for them in the next government, and we tell Nigerians
[00:16:00] our challenges also, and we'll ask
[00:16:03] them to support us where we need their support.
[00:16:07] in order to overcome those challenges, but this presidential campaign
[00:16:11] council has already generated some sort of controversy, some people feel
[00:16:15] left out the list, including governors, so how do
[00:16:19] you go into a campaign with already disgruntled
[00:16:22] members? no, uh, you know,
[00:16:26] in uh, constituting an
[00:16:29] election uh, campaign organization, you cannot
[00:16:33] have every member the party.
[00:16:37] on board to be part of it, but for the governors, APC
[00:16:41] governors, all them are automatic members the
[00:16:45] campaign organization, that I can say, and for those
[00:16:49] that things they are very important, they are supposed to be part
[00:16:53] the campaign organization, and maybe something
[00:16:57] happen along the line, they are still part the the
[00:17:00] movement, and I'm sure the party will look at them
[00:17:04] and they will place them appropriately. President wants
[00:17:08] an issue based campaign and the
[00:17:11] APC is is the APC ready to be judged
[00:17:15] you know by the food prices, rise in cost of
[00:17:19] transportation, jobs, household incomes and
[00:17:23] insecurity particularly, yes we are going to
[00:17:26] justify all that to Nigerians, how will you do that?
[00:17:30] Thank you uh today, if you look at our
[00:17:33] GDP, if you look at the uh
[00:17:37] what we're doing in terms of
[00:17:39] uh our growth, if you look at our foreign
[00:17:43] reserved, if you look at our critical
[00:17:47] reforms in in
[00:17:50] in in in so many
[00:17:53] areas then you look, you see future
[00:17:57] for Nigeria, you cannot be
[00:18:01] having such very sound reforms
[00:18:05] and you expect things to...
[00:18:08] immediately for you, no, we look
[00:18:11] beyond 2027, we look
[00:18:15] beyond ourselves, this government is looking
[00:18:18] at very, very
[00:18:22] prosp prospective Nigeria in the future, in the
[00:18:26] next 20, 30 years to come, Nigeria will be a
[00:18:30] great country, but for now yes, there is
[00:18:33] inflation, no two ways about it, and it's not
[00:18:36] only. Our own is not as as
[00:18:40] was as other nation
[00:18:43] that uh uh they are facing so will
[00:18:46] overcome all these challenges after the reform and by the
[00:18:50] grace of God when things have been explained well to
[00:18:53] Nigerians this is the situation we are and this is where we are
[00:18:57] going to Nigerians will understand the the
[00:19:01] the position of things well before the
[00:19:03] administration of um president
[00:19:07] APC sold renewed hope to
[00:19:11] Nigerians and that you end him the uh
[00:19:15] presidency now what will Nigerians what would the
[00:19:18] APC be selling to Nigerians this time will it still be
[00:19:22] renewed home is still renewed hope is working progress what
[00:19:26] of what part the hope is being renewed
[00:19:29] is is is still in progress is work in progress you have
[00:19:33] renewed hope in education you have renewed hope in road uh
[00:19:37] in infrastructure, you have renewed hope in education, you have renewed
[00:19:41] hope in health, you have renewed hope in security, so
[00:19:45] it's it's renewed hope is everywhere, even in housing scheme
[00:19:49] for Nigerians to have a place to live, a roof over their
[00:19:53] heads, we have renewed hope everywhere and
[00:19:56] nigerians that are already benefiting, they are
[00:20:00] aware the renewed hope that is going on, so it
[00:20:04] is still renewed hope and Nigerians will
[00:20:08] see the positive impact of what renewed
[00:20:12] hope is doing, well let's talk about your own
[00:20:15] ambition in this 2027 election, I'm
[00:20:19] sure you want to return to the national assembly, how are
[00:20:23] you convincing your constituents that
[00:20:26] you know you are still the right candidate for the job?
[00:20:30] uh, I've been doing that through my
[00:20:33] my positive impact, what I have done.
[00:20:38] i don't campaign or promise,
[00:20:42] you see what i' have done in my
[00:20:45] constituency, hospitals, i have hospitals
[00:20:48] in so many rural areas, i've done
[00:20:52] schools, i've done uh rural uh
[00:20:56] bridge, i've done a water
[00:20:59] project, i've
[00:21:00] done
[00:21:05] empowerment, in education i've given
[00:21:08] scholarship to our students, i've trained
[00:21:12] them to ride jump about 700
[00:21:16] candidates and before the jam
[00:21:20] i placed them on special classes and you can
[00:21:24] believe me more than 50% them passed their jam and gave
[00:21:28] them scholarship to go to school so we have lot of students now
[00:21:31] in the university not just studing
[00:21:35] any special courses we have lot
[00:21:38] them in special courses before
[00:21:41] now i think we have few medical doctors students study
[00:21:45] medical doctor in medicine
[00:21:49] sorry study medicine in our universities from my constituency
[00:21:53] b, but as it is now with the intervention that I did
[00:21:57] to my constituents, we have lot them now in
[00:22:00] nursing, in medicine, in so many
[00:22:04] special courses, so I'm so proud and their parents are happy
[00:22:08] and the students are happy, you know, so I pay more attention to
[00:22:11] education to educate my people, to give them education
[00:22:14] support, classes and you know special
[00:22:18] intervention so that... will have better uh
[00:22:21] society. well, as we round of this conversation, what are the
[00:22:25] three measurable achievements that will form the
[00:22:29] strongest strongest part of your party's
[00:22:32] campaign, and how have they improved the daily lives of
[00:22:36] nigerians? wow, you know,
[00:22:39] um, we have, we have tried our best
[00:22:43] this government, and I'm sure,
[00:22:47] I'm sure you saw the emergency meeting that... the
[00:22:50] president of someone, the state
[00:22:53] governors, they have so much money with
[00:22:56] them to come and discuss on how they
[00:22:59] will bring down the
[00:23:02] prices of transportation, goods
[00:23:06] and services, hospital bills and lot
[00:23:10] of other you know intervention,
[00:23:14] so from now to election
[00:23:17] period, I'm sure Nigerians. be happy with the
[00:23:21] new uh intervention that the president is planning
[00:23:25] on these sectors in collaboration with the state governor since they have so
[00:23:29] much money with them from the subsidy uh funds
[00:23:32] removal so that Nigerians can have a space to
[00:23:35] breed more so from now to that time and the
[00:23:39] president is serious about it
[00:23:42] I have given you so much money
[00:23:44] how can we do this how can we reduce
[00:23:47] the hardship that is
[00:23:49] a leader. Yeah, that is leadership, he listens to
[00:23:53] his to to complain from his
[00:23:57] followers and that was why he decided to immediately
[00:24:00] act, he immediately act, so Nigerians will
[00:24:04] soon be jumping and celebrating APC for
[00:24:08] second time by the grace of God after this, are you sure about that, and is
[00:24:12] your best good enough, because you said your party has done
[00:24:16] its best, but to nigerians do you think that best?
[00:24:20] is good enough, it's always not going to be enough
[00:24:23] for uh, for somebody that is
[00:24:27] expecting more from you, you understand?
[00:24:31] it's always not going to be enough, but
[00:24:34] the uh most important part is
[00:24:38] for that person to make comparison
[00:24:42] or to see the hope that you are trying to
[00:24:45] bring to him and to his children and his
[00:24:48] grandchildren. then he will now say, okay,
[00:24:52] there is hope in what the APC government are doing in the
[00:24:56] future, so by the grace of God, all these
[00:25:00] things will be,
[00:25:02] you know, will be explained to Nigerians and
[00:25:05] after all the interventions, the consideration,
[00:25:09] the uh,
[00:25:10] you know, revisiting of some issues, Nigerians will clap for
[00:25:14] APC. All right, we look forward to that, so we must say thank you
[00:25:18] for your insights on this program. And that's where we'll leave the conversation,
[00:25:22] wish you the very best as you go into the campaigns. Thank you so
[00:25:25] much, thank you, thank
[00:25:28] you.
[00:25:32] That's our program today, the questions may end here, but the
[00:25:35] debates over accountability, legislative oversight and
[00:25:39] nonjurious road to 2027 continues. Thank
[00:25:43] you to our guest, honorable Dabo Ismail and to you
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