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[00:00:01] of 75 billion n that you saved that you could have
[00:00:04] used to build roads
[00:00:05] in to build roads, it's like a man that is is
[00:00:09] boosting that you know have 500 million my account
[00:00:13] and then your children are hungry, the school fees are not paid services are
[00:00:17] not rend electric is not available then
[00:00:20] in you in say oh
[00:00:20] of i have 500 million so i think that
[00:00:24] you see politicians largely there are the people that are different
[00:00:28] but it's always good for people to be very honest, what i've seen here
[00:00:32] is inconsistency, case of dishonest, even the figures are not
[00:00:35] consistent, they are not
[00:00:36] of consistent, and people should not underestimate
[00:00:40] intelligence of nigerians, we may not bother
[00:00:44] about the you know social media crowd that even when you come with
[00:00:48] facts, they are still ready not to disbelieve you, those ones are always
[00:00:51] there, but there are intelligent people, yeah, and anabra is a state of very
[00:00:55] intelligent people, very educated people, highly civilized,
[00:00:59] so you can't... take them
[00:01:00] of for for ride, for ride, yeah, i also think it's not a good thing that
[00:01:04] the charity in this case is not beginning at all, if you are content for
[00:01:08] the president
[00:01:10] of of the country and your state, the principalities and powers, political powers there, you
[00:01:14] know, you are not, you are loger with them, yeah, i think it's not always a good
[00:01:18] thing to affect the you know future plan of your
[00:01:21] electoral calculation, perhaps you've heard about
[00:01:26] of the the the talk concerning uh buying a car
[00:01:30] he he was
[00:01:30] of supposed to have bought money was voted yeah, but he
[00:01:34] elected to go
[00:01:35] of for poser type and and all that and the
[00:01:39] disparity in the figures, yeah, and we we when he was governor,
[00:01:43] mean we saw the
[00:01:44] of convoy, of
[00:01:45] you know, he was not living in his private house, he was living in government
[00:01:49] of house, probably could have you know left hand then h the
[00:01:52] so i think all these things just came around 2023
[00:01:55] of you know they attempt to give the impression that no we have a
[00:01:59] puritan uh yes,
[00:02:00] of impression, yeah, for when he left in March 2014, I
[00:02:04] think, for about nine years, nobody had about him, yes,
[00:02:08] no inspiring elector delivered anywhere either locally or abroad, no
[00:02:11] participation
[00:02:12] in any pro-democracy movement, no agitation for
[00:02:16] of researchuring, the only came about four months
[00:02:19] of before 2023 election, so it's
[00:02:21] a an adock president
[00:02:23] of candidate, that just try to package to give the impression that to delude
[00:02:26] Nigerians, so um, it's an infrusment of...
[00:02:30] illusion that uh, it's
[00:02:32] of different,
[00:02:32] of and we could see also what has happened in his party, you know,
[00:02:36] in look at people that you know join labor
[00:02:39] party, see how they have the camp from the
[00:02:42] a national, from national assembly to the APC, you could not hold them
[00:02:46] together, hold the party
[00:02:47] a together, we don't hold the party together, you have to move
[00:02:49] together, he is been posturing like
[00:02:53] somebody who does not like death, does not like borrowing and all that, but
[00:02:57] these revelations are showing us that he
[00:03:00] of is the opposite of what he he
[00:03:03] is claims, he claims, because if they are saying
[00:03:07] that um, it took loans for
[00:03:11] malaria, erosion control, education, health care,
[00:03:14] of etc., you know, and that the current government was paying
[00:03:18] hundreds of millions of naira every month to service those
[00:03:21] debts, so if you are somebody who
[00:03:25] took loans and
[00:03:29] today you postering like somebody who does not like borrowing, who
[00:03:33] does not uh uh believe in debt
[00:03:36] and all that, which this government, this government
[00:03:39] is taking loans here and there,
[00:03:43] but you are not morally
[00:03:47] in a strong position to condemn them for
[00:03:51] taking those loans when even you you
[00:03:55] took loans and if you were, i think the the even the
[00:03:58] evidence that they brought. was look,
[00:04:01] if you are saying you didn't owe
[00:04:04] anyone, and there's a video of
[00:04:08] workers protesting, they even went
[00:04:12] to
[00:04:13] of court to get you to pay them, the
[00:04:16] of court granted the reliefs that they sort that you should go
[00:04:20] and pay, which he
[00:04:24] didn't, so you can that kind of person cannot
[00:04:28] come and say he's not owing anybody. No, if you left this
[00:04:33] of death, and the DMO is in position to to to to
[00:04:37] explain to Nigerian that this is the situation, so it's
[00:04:41] difficult for me to believe that ano will say the same
[00:04:45] thing, and this person will come and say the same, and
[00:04:47] thankfully, because the internet does not
[00:04:51] lie, you saw the quotation
[00:04:55] from ume, yeah, who is probably the closest politician to him
[00:04:59] today, um, also dismissing
[00:05:02] the claim of leaving uh 75
[00:05:06] billion behind and the man
[00:05:09] is talking about some of '
[00:05:13] the the uh death that he left behind for the state,
[00:05:16] women may not be able to talk like that today because they are now very
[00:05:20] chumy, but what he said back then is on
[00:05:24] record, yeah which he cannot - he cannot deny, he can't
[00:05:28] blot it out, so i
[00:05:32] just think that
[00:05:36] um leaders have to be really really
[00:05:39] accountable and he who comes to...
[00:05:42] equity must come with clean hands, i don't
[00:05:46] think it was necessary for him to come out and say, oh, if you can
[00:05:50] find anybody are we, i will quit, no, there's no governor
[00:05:54] in Nigeria who can do that, there's no governor who will be leaving
[00:05:58] office who will not leave some liabilities
[00:06:01] behind, and there's no point, if you you are struggling
[00:06:05] to mention places where you build schools and all that, and you
[00:06:08] are leaving money behind,
[00:06:12] you you you you you couldn't pay even the minimum
[00:06:16] wage of 18,000 at
[00:06:20] the time, yes, you couldn't pay
[00:06:23] commerce, the
[00:06:27] salary structure for doctors,
[00:06:30] okay, but you can gather money and leave money and
[00:06:34] say, okay, this is what you have left behind, when the our roads to be fixed that you
[00:06:38] didn't fix, when the our
[00:06:41] schools. to be built that you didn't build, when you are health
[00:06:45] institutions that you needed to to to to to make
[00:06:49] much better, I don't see any achievement in
[00:06:53] keeping money when infrastructure suffers, what
[00:06:57] is the point in doing that?
[00:06:59] infrastructure, when we reflect infrastructure, it helps
[00:07:03] even the economy to grow, okay,
[00:07:07] yeah, it was Obama who said we
[00:07:11] are going to spend ourselves. out of recession and what it meant
[00:07:14] was that they will turn America to huge construction site, there will be
[00:07:18] infrastructure projects here and there and people will be gamefully employed
[00:07:22] in the process, so that's what it
[00:07:25] meant that that we will spend ourselves out of
[00:07:29] recession, yeah, so there's
[00:07:31] no it's clear lack of foresight to
[00:07:35] just gather money, put money somewhere and you
[00:07:39] say you have left money behind, meanwile you left lot of work. done, you
[00:07:43] left bills unpaid, you left loans on
[00:07:46] serviced, come on, okay, people will
[00:07:49] say it's politics, yeah, it's um,
[00:07:53] but we should be aware that once
[00:07:57] you have spoken a word, there's record and
[00:08:01] people will use what you have said against you, so we need to be very careful
[00:08:05] about what we say, about what we do, yeah, people are watching, no matter how think
[00:08:09] you can hide yourself, people will still get to know the truth,
[00:08:13] so we man now what he said
[00:08:17] back then we can quote what he said back th
[00:08:21] uh today cannot repeat the same thing but it's on record
[00:08:24] that he said so all right um journalist
[00:08:28] hangout has one particular way
[00:08:31] of reacting to this the coming days will be very interesting
[00:08:35] indeed yes yeah and they are warning that if it does
[00:08:39] not stop that they are going to bring more evidence oh boy
[00:08:43] all but he's already rejected those claims, he said his
[00:08:46] administration left uh
[00:08:50] healthy um this thing account account
[00:08:54] balance for the state and that uh the claims that these people are
[00:08:58] making are completely false okay
[00:09:02] well it took so long before even that response
[00:09:05] came it took so long before the
[00:09:09] response he has to think deeply so... has to think
[00:09:13] deeply. okay folks, let's take on our next story.
[00:09:17] you now to say there that there is a stuggering humanitarian
[00:09:20] crisis in the northeast zone is a gross
[00:09:24] understatement. both governor Babagana Zulum and
[00:09:28] the international committee the Red Cross (ICRC) have
[00:09:31] highlighted the overwhelming philanthropic crisis in the
[00:09:35] northeast zone. to put figures to this, there
[00:09:39] situation, no less than 5000.
[00:09:42] schools have been sacked in addition to
[00:09:46] 2.2 million children listed as being out of
[00:09:50] school and no less than 17 thousand people
[00:09:53] still missing. the state government is investing
[00:09:57] heavily in reconstruction of more than 136
[00:10:01] education infrastructure, even as dislocated groups
[00:10:05] attempt to get reunited with families by taking
[00:10:08] advantage of tool-free networks coordinated by the...
[00:10:12] across, this is Share
[00:10:14] Bed L, this
[00:10:17] is very party story, yeah,
[00:10:20] about no state, it wants
[00:10:24] beautiful. and very peaceful, one the most peaceful
[00:10:27] uh states in the country uh, to destroy 5000
[00:10:31] school structures, that's a lot,
[00:10:35] look at the cost,
[00:10:37] you know, the people that have been displaced, the
[00:10:40] psychological and emotional depression,
[00:10:43] a community,
[00:10:45] a society where interest in education
[00:10:48] as the
[00:10:49] you know declines especially for female, so I think Boko Haram has
[00:10:53] brought... evil you know in this
[00:10:57] hemisphere, but I think
[00:11:01] that
[00:11:01] in the face these challenges, the
[00:11:04] governor is really giving us
[00:11:07] hope, he's giving hope to lot of people in
[00:11:11] state, you can see the mega school that he
[00:11:14] built, the 104 mega schools across
[00:11:17] 27 local governments, you can see the vocational integration
[00:11:21] colleges, recruitment of over 4,00 teachers. you
[00:11:25] know provision of uh transportation and i think the
[00:11:29] out of school children that used to be about 2.2 million
[00:11:33] as declined
[00:11:36] you know greatly under Zulum's
[00:11:39] leadership. I'm glad about his statement
[00:11:43] because it's honest about what has happened in his state and his
[00:11:46] challenges, it's not a pretender,
[00:11:49] you know, but I think is somebody that has to be commended
[00:11:53] for being tough. for
[00:11:55] getting for for keeping, mean for it keeps
[00:11:59] on going even when the situation is very tough, keep hope alive here, it's
[00:12:03] a source of inspiration to
[00:12:07] um to nigerians and to people of bonus that in spite of all the
[00:12:11] challenges, you know the governor is one the best in this
[00:12:15] country, he's trying very hard you know even with limited
[00:12:18] resources to overwhelm terrorism, to defeat
[00:12:22] terrorism, bok is not only. distructive in Boron state also in yobe
[00:12:26] state you know they have burned so many schools, they have killed so many people,
[00:12:30] that was a particular instance that they went to secondary school
[00:12:33] you know in the night where
[00:12:34] the children were sleeping and shot people through
[00:12:37] bombs, so
[00:12:41] um I can only wish the governor well and that Nigerian
[00:12:45] should continue to encourage him, is one the finest things that has
[00:12:49] ever come out of that hemisphere, yeah and I believe at the
[00:12:52] fullness of time um... he represent light and he will
[00:12:56] defeat darkness that we certainly wish him god
[00:13:00] speed yeah yeah i
[00:13:03] think that when we look
[00:13:06] at um the
[00:13:10] problems that the governor
[00:13:12] inherited we would not have expected
[00:13:16] that we will have achieved this much yeah
[00:13:20] but he is people focused person
[00:13:23] maybe because the circumstances of his
[00:13:27] own um b is
[00:13:31] upbringing, he is very much
[00:13:35] concerned about the welfare of people,
[00:13:38] because everything it does, it
[00:13:42] prioritizes the welfare of people,
[00:13:45] and zulum can stand for
[00:13:48] hours personally distributing
[00:13:52] relief yards of cotting and food. to people and
[00:13:56] money, i've seen him in such situations, look at the
[00:13:59] bicycles that talk about earlier, okay, that
[00:14:02] even secondary school students are given
[00:14:06] bicycles to take to school, no, you know, in the
[00:14:10] UK, that happens to, oh yeah, in street corners, they put,
[00:14:14] they put bicycle, yes, you come and rent that
[00:14:18] bicycle, you can go to, that's it, so that's even encouraging
[00:14:21] people to be able to do exercise, to
[00:14:25] decongest the roads in China to everybody just
[00:14:29] using vehicles, you can actually ride to work,
[00:14:33] so is he has spent
[00:14:36] 46.98 billion
[00:14:40] between 2025 and
[00:14:42] 2026 on basic and secondary
[00:14:45] education, the best schools in terms of
[00:14:49] structure born found, state,
[00:14:52] they okay, are you said so you see. how beautiful those schools
[00:14:56] are, you would think some them are even senate buildings
[00:15:00] of universities, and the inside of those
[00:15:04] schools are very
[00:15:07] beautiful, the the they have chillers and other
[00:15:11] so that as hot as the weather is, children will feel
[00:15:15] encouraged to come to class, to come to class, yeah,
[00:15:18] so the governor
[00:15:21] um is very aggressive, is
[00:15:25] courageous, even sometimes when they tell him don't go to this place, he
[00:15:29] wants to go there, even in some dangerous parts of
[00:15:33] bno south, this governor is planting
[00:15:35] projects, planting projects in those because he's
[00:15:39] committed and he wants to leave a lasting
[00:15:43] legacy, that's it in this state, so
[00:15:47] I know that evil will not trium over
[00:15:51] good, good, yeah, an environment like if you
[00:15:54] recall how terrible things were around
[00:15:58] 2014, you appreciate the
[00:16:02] progress that has been made, and you are driving through
[00:16:05] Bono, Madugure roads now. "the roads are wide and the roads are
[00:16:09] smooth, despite the fact that that flooding that happened, you
[00:16:13] know, when that damn broke okay, yeah, and the
[00:16:17] the state capital was submerged, you know the roads were then
[00:16:21] destroyed, if you go to bonu to within
[00:16:24] a couple of months he had fixed all those roads
[00:16:28] and this guy, how does he managed to do
[00:16:32] it, in every
[00:16:35] faceset of life?" you will feel h impact,
[00:16:39] whether it's agriculture, you feel his
[00:16:42] impact, and i believe
[00:16:45] that the bon um
[00:16:49] civilian gtf is what as convinced many
[00:16:53] states that state police can work, because the bnum
[00:16:57] people came up with a law to support state to support
[00:17:01] civilian jtf
[00:17:02] all right, it's a creation the law in their state and they are giving
[00:17:06] tremendous support to the... forces,
[00:17:10] those guys sacrifice their lives, hundreds them have been
[00:17:13] killed, but the state has kept them
[00:17:17] going, he also has agro
[00:17:21] rangers who protect
[00:17:24] farmers on their farms, oh really, yes, they
[00:17:28] are armed, they protect farmers, that's the only way the
[00:17:32] agri production can improve,
[00:17:35] can thrive, yeah, there are still... areas
[00:17:38] where so much work need to be done, especially
[00:17:42] in b north, where Boko Haram
[00:17:46] C retains some presence,
[00:17:50] some parts of dambu are local government, okay, which is the
[00:17:53] biggest local government in
[00:17:55] that state and one the biggest in Nigeria,
[00:17:59] Boko Haram, because that place
[00:18:00] is close to Sambisa, Boku Haram is very
[00:18:04] active in that area. and they
[00:18:08] make the use the
[00:18:11] dambua bu highway extremely
[00:18:15] dangerous, so people have to first travel
[00:18:18] to Adam state to
[00:18:21] come into b south, i
[00:18:25] believe that we have to find a way to solve that problem, people
[00:18:29] shouldn't travel that long distance just to be able
[00:18:33] to get to a part of b state, but it's because insecurity.
[00:18:37] Yeah, yeah, even army convoys are usually attacked
[00:18:41] along that road, so nobody wants to go through that road, but
[00:18:45] generally security has improved in
[00:18:49] Bowen state and lot of it is down to the
[00:18:53] efforts of this governor, it's always going to the arm forces to
[00:18:57] encourage them, when I saw him
[00:19:00] and malamfatori the other day, yeah, I said uh,
[00:19:04] yes, this are really getting better and... and is
[00:19:08] relocating is building house housing is doing housing projects
[00:19:11] relocate people to the ancestral homes to encourage
[00:19:15] them sometimes those people get killed oh yeah as soon
[00:19:19] as they are relocated
[00:19:21] the these boys go there to kill people but the governor is determined that
[00:19:25] look I don't want anybody to remain in IDP
[00:19:29] camp I would rather resettle people in their
[00:19:33] ancestral homes because idb
[00:19:36] comes there is not sustainable, those people prefer
[00:19:40] to work and feed themselves than
[00:19:44] rely on handouts from government,
[00:19:48] so is um, all these people that you are
[00:19:51] seen, yeah, is going to distribute food
[00:19:55] packs and money to them, that's the kind
[00:19:59] of work that is, he somebody that has done
[00:20:03] so much, so much, the people, they are concerned now, who
[00:20:07] will replace this person? oh yeah, because it's not
[00:20:10] every time that you find a governor, this
[00:20:14] hardwing, this committed, it's
[00:20:17] not the time okay, well
[00:20:21] what's uh paradoxical to me is
[00:20:24] that here is a boko haram, people who
[00:20:28] are avowed to uh post to western
[00:20:32] education, but they use western instruments
[00:20:35] and uh they use. put us to
[00:20:39] to to to to mess people up, yeah, how do
[00:20:43] you reconcile that? well, i think is
[00:20:45] just a propaganda that targets
[00:20:49] devon. venerable, the younger people, yeah,
[00:20:53] who are not uh a position
[00:20:56] to question them, who are not who have not been empowered
[00:21:00] educationally to understand the um, that those
[00:21:04] claims are are false, and I truly I was in my
[00:21:08] dug not too long ago and the house the person we we
[00:21:12] lived was telling us that when they started the first thing they do was to burn their
[00:21:15] own certificates engineers um
[00:21:20] professionals were there you know
[00:21:22] and it's also you
[00:21:23] know inspired by this ideology in by ISIS
[00:21:27] but you can see that that ideology has even collapsed in Syria
[00:21:30] in Iraq and other where the ideology started
[00:21:34] so there's no justification that you that
[00:21:37] you just took an ideology from you know because there's no way if you go to
[00:21:41] Saudi Arabia the headquarter of uh Islamic
[00:21:44] knowledge they are not opposed to western
[00:21:47] education you see lot
[00:21:50] them women can drive them even studied in UK who studied
[00:21:54] in us you know their leaders you studied all
[00:21:58] over the world look at UAE one the most developed countries
[00:22:01] in the middle east the middle east the they have lot of partnership with
[00:22:05] western countries with Russia you know improving
[00:22:09] technology bringing technology to so that UAE
[00:22:13] could have hosted the world cup in 2022 was
[00:22:16] so we we need to we need to fight this battle at the level.
[00:22:20] level the military level and also at the level of
[00:22:23] ideology, indoctrination, so that our younger ones to
[00:22:27] not be polluted, and I think that's why I'm happy about what is
[00:22:30] doing, like in 2025, 1.4 million
[00:22:34] people w roll for education in brown state, which is huge number, so
[00:22:38] it's actually tackling them in the realm of you,
[00:22:41] ideology to to educate people to, this is the best way you can fight, one
[00:22:45] the best ways you can fight bahu haram, it's not just about taking guns and looking
[00:22:49] up. to also ensure that the mind of human
[00:22:53] beings is free so that when they come and recruit them they will they will
[00:22:57] tell them that they don't want to join the organization all
[00:23:00] right uh we are done
[00:23:04] um not not before thanking you for your
[00:23:07] intervention because we cannot thank you enough for
[00:23:11] your uh
[00:23:14] intervention too and we want to thank the background boys
[00:23:18] who made it possible for the show to be on, so
[00:23:22] that's it, we are done, that's it on Journalist Hangout
[00:23:25] today, join us tomorrow for the regular episode, which takes the
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[00:26:15] Albert was born November 16,
[00:26:19] 1930 in Ogidi Nigeria, he went to Government college
[00:26:23] in Numuahia, Nigeria, in 1948, Achebe
[00:26:27] won scholarship to the University of ibad to study medicine, but
[00:26:31] after year he changed. his major to writing after graduation in
[00:26:34] 1953 he became a script writer for the Nigerian
[00:26:38] Broadcasting Service (NBS) eventually becoming the head
[00:26:42] programmer for the discussion series. In 1956 he
[00:26:46] visited London for the first time to take a training course with the
[00:26:49] BBC. On returning he moved to Enogu and edited
[00:26:53] and produced stories for the NBS. At Shebe was unhappy
[00:26:57] with books about Africa written by British authors such as
[00:27:01] Joseph Conrad. and John Bucan because he felt the
[00:27:05] descriptions of African people were inaccurate and
[00:27:08] insulting. In his pat time he worked on things fall
[00:27:11] apart. The novel was published in 1958. The book won
[00:27:15] immediate international recognition and also became the basis
[00:27:19] for a play. His second book, no longer at East, published in
[00:27:23] 1960 is set in the last decade before Nigeria achieved
[00:27:27] independence. In 1961, Chinua Chebe met and
[00:27:31] married Christiana. will holy and they eventually had four
[00:27:34] children. the said book in the African trilogy arrow of God
[00:27:38] was published in 1964. Achibit published his fourth
[00:27:42] novel, a man the people in 1966. The novel
[00:27:46] tells a story the widespread corruption of Nigerian politicians
[00:27:49] and ends in the military cool. During the beafra conflict,
[00:27:53] achibis house was bombed and his friend Christopher kim was
[00:27:57] killed. Achibi and his family went into hiding in Byafra and then
[00:28:01] fled to Britain. for the duration the war. From
[00:28:04] 1972 to 1976, achibe held a
[00:28:07] visiting professorship in African literature as the University of
[00:28:11] Massachusetts at Amest. After that, he returned again
[00:28:15] to teach at the University of Nigeria. He became chair the
[00:28:19] Association of Nigerian writers and edited
[00:28:22] Wandigo, a journal of igo life and culture. Although
[00:28:26] he wrote many essays and kept involved with the writing community.
[00:28:30] Achebe did not write another book.
[00:28:32] 1988s and hills the savanna, in
[00:28:36] 1990, achibil was involved a car crash in
[00:28:39] Nigeria which damaged his spine so badly he was paralyzed
[00:28:43] from the wayist down. Barred college in New York offered him a
[00:28:47] teaching job and the facilities to make that possible and he taught
[00:28:51] there from 1991 to 2009. In
[00:28:54] 2009, achebe became a professor of African
[00:28:58] studies at Brown University. In 2012 he pas
[00:29:02] the essay, there was a country, a personal history of
[00:29:06] viava. Achebe won the man booker international prize for
[00:29:09] his life's work in 2007 and received more
[00:29:13] than 30 honorary doctorats. He remained critical the
[00:29:17] corruption of Nigerian politicians, condemning those that stole or
[00:29:21] squandered the nation's all reserves. In addition to his own
[00:29:25] literary success, he was passionate and active supporter of
[00:29:29] African writers. However, at Chibet died in Boston. chooset
[00:29:33] on March 21st, 2013, after a brief illness. He
[00:29:37] is credited was changing the phase of world literature
[00:29:40] by presenting the effects of European colonization from the
[00:29:44] point of view of Africans. He specifically wrote in
[00:29:48] English, a choice that received some criticism, but his
[00:29:52] intent was to speak to the whole world about the real
[00:29:55] problems that the influence of western missionaries and
[00:29:58] colonialists created in Africa. His life was
[00:30:02] inspiration and sentimental to western culture, promoting
[00:30:06] customs and values about traditional African
[00:30:10] Society.
[00:30:47] At defining moments, societies are often judged by how they
[00:30:51] respond to their greatest challenges. For immo state,
[00:30:55] health care has become the clearest sign of exemplary change.
[00:30:59] For year.