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[00:01:00] of Welcome to politics on Sunday, TBC News
[00:01:04] authoritative platform for rigorous political debate,
[00:01:07] incisive analysis
[00:01:08] a and
[00:01:10] a conversation shiping Nigeria's democracy. I standing in for
[00:01:14] Felmaya Kondee who is in New York to cover Nigeria's
[00:01:17] participation at the 81st United Nations
[00:01:20] of General Assembly. Tonight we turn our attention to the
[00:01:24] intensifying battle for Nigeria's presidency.
[00:01:28] President
[00:01:29] of Bolatinobu approaches. the 2027 election with formidable
[00:01:33] political advantages, the power of incubancy and
[00:01:36] expanding APC structure, control
[00:01:39] of the significant number of states
[00:01:41] of and experienced campaign machinery already reaching across
[00:01:45] political
[00:01:46] of regional and institutional lines. the opposition however
[00:01:49] insists that electoral strengths cannot be measured
[00:01:53] by by defections, endorsements and political structures
[00:01:57] alone. it believes that the real contest be
[00:02:00] decided by the daily experiences of
[00:02:03] nigerians rising, leaving cost,
[00:02:06] of pressure on household incomes, unemployment and persistent
[00:02:09] insecurity. Tinible's
[00:02:11] of economic reform have attracted international
[00:02:14] of approval of and improved some key indicators, but the
[00:02:18] hardship accompaning subsidy removal and the
[00:02:20] in currency reforms remains a potent political weapon for his
[00:02:24] challenges,
[00:02:25] a tiku Abubakar, Peter Be and other opposition figure
[00:02:29] may. command
[00:02:30] me substantial constituencies, but their inability to build a
[00:02:34] united front could again divide the anti-APC
[00:02:38] votes and strengthen the president part to reelection. let the
[00:02:42] conversation begin. my guestt
[00:02:44] is
[00:02:47] show me a PDP chieftin and the leader of emerging
[00:02:51] political movement, the alternative. nice to have
[00:02:54] you, it's nice to be here. how are you? it's been a
[00:02:56] while. where are you now?
[00:03:00] apart from doing the alternative, let's start there, because the the
[00:03:04] previous election we do
[00:03:05] you used to be a spokes person for bakka, where where do you stand now?
[00:03:09] where are you
[00:03:10] of now? are you still the PDP or the APC? no,
[00:03:14] every political party has few
[00:03:16] leaders that they take their anchor
[00:03:20] in from, for those of us who are in the
[00:03:23] PDP, for some time now, one
[00:03:27] of the most reliable, dependable. human being we
[00:03:31] have in our party who you can build a house on his
[00:03:34] word is governor wike and
[00:03:38] if you watch he has tried very
[00:03:41] hard to design a concept called
[00:03:45] of a rainbow coalition and on the basis of that rainbow
[00:03:48] coalition he has sign posted and
[00:03:51] signal that the
[00:03:53] in people's democratic party of nigeria they
[00:03:57] legally recognize introned one "we
[00:04:01] will be supporting
[00:04:03] president,
[00:04:06] okay? before that, i had become
[00:04:10] even much more convinced
[00:04:13] that Nigeria
[00:04:15] of has reached a stage now, where the conversation must
[00:04:18] be, what is the consensus
[00:04:22] around development, and how do we do development in
[00:04:26] such a way that we do not allow our country?"
[00:04:30] to swing back and forth only with
[00:04:33] half and puff of
[00:04:35] of politicians, especially recycled ones who
[00:04:39] have no capacity to move the needle
[00:04:42] of the development
[00:04:43] of the country one inch further, take it as you are rooting for
[00:04:46] b, everybody in the world knows that, in the last one
[00:04:50] year, if I were not to do any more interview
[00:04:53] a to of support him, I have done more than enough interviews to cover any
[00:04:57] will be thinker on all subject, some some
[00:05:01] people will say this is for your selfish interest because people will
[00:05:05] say reality on
[00:05:07] ground you know talking in terms
[00:05:10] of the removal of subsidy talking
[00:05:12] in terms. the inflation talking about the average man on the
[00:05:15] streets that what we are looking at the
[00:05:18] hardship and three things you should worry about when
[00:05:22] you are looking at the construct of human
[00:05:24] being, all human beings are
[00:05:27] selfish to different and very
[00:05:30] degrees. my level of
[00:05:32] selfishness is anchored and primed
[00:05:36] on what will bring this nation to
[00:05:40] level where we can now say: say okay, we are
[00:05:44] matching and going somewhere. i spent an official
[00:05:48] amount of my adult life just wishing this country well, i'm working very
[00:05:51] hard, upseen amount of my adult life, wishing this
[00:05:55] country well and working very very hard. i have never spared
[00:05:59] speech, i have never spared writing, i have never
[00:06:03] spared conferences, i have never spared even
[00:06:06] platforms like the state department america and the congressis to say this
[00:06:10] is this is what should be for us. therefore if anybody wants to call me selfish now
[00:06:14] that's is business, if i were to be as
[00:06:17] selfish as those who may want to say that, the question would
[00:06:21] them be why have ben in PDP since 1998
[00:06:24] till date? have been given anything to warrant me stay
[00:06:28] India, but i had always believed that we must
[00:06:31] build this country's democracy on stable
[00:06:35] institution. the challenge we have on the table today
[00:06:39] that even makes what we are saying now become a little bit
[00:06:43] possible and one can do it pridedly is that
[00:06:47] - ask you, shall we run a
[00:06:50] multi-ethnic, multicultural, multitribal, multilage
[00:06:54] country on an idea that the
[00:06:57] demography the north is the only
[00:07:00] currency to determine how we will swing
[00:07:03] power, are we not going eventually destroy the country, if we got
[00:07:07] to the point where we cannot even agree the
[00:07:11] mudicrom of if it is the north
[00:07:13] you guys give us somebody will do it here if he swings to the south that
[00:07:17] tops everything and then when you look at what he had been doing
[00:07:21] i or cross you know you know me for why cross my heart hope to
[00:07:25] die i had modic room of an idea that the
[00:07:29] institutional work required to build a solid foundation for this country i
[00:07:32] had no idea that would do it when he was coming
[00:07:36] because we had become so used to they will say they will do restructuring they won't do
[00:07:40] it they will say they will do st police they w talk about it,
[00:07:43] became locked in the mind of thinking that the
[00:07:47] only thing anybody that wants to be president in our country wants to do is just the
[00:07:51] basic everyday things and then when he came on
[00:07:55] broad, began to listen to the
[00:07:57] noise of people say they are hungry, subsidy
[00:08:01] is this that, and that the for
[00:08:03] me to say, okay, let me take a look at him a little bit and say what
[00:08:06] exactly is this president trying to
[00:08:09] do, i the said
[00:08:13] to myself, wow, is this what he is trying to
[00:08:17] do? one, if you remove the
[00:08:21] subsidy we introduce, let me,
[00:08:25] let me help,
[00:08:28] let me help, i'm not started talking about policy, unless you want me to answer this question
[00:08:31] on this platform, if you start with the fact that that
[00:08:35] thing the cause subsidy, how did we even introduced it
[00:08:39] to our country, we did it around 1973, okay? and we
[00:08:43] started thinking that there must be a way for us
[00:08:46] to mitigate the cost
[00:08:49] of petrol and all of that and make
[00:08:53] it unity in the country and cover
[00:08:57] some different season landing course and all of that and all
[00:09:01] that and we run it from
[00:09:04] 1973-45 until we got to
[00:09:07] 2003 wearing
[00:09:11] contrary to what most people say, the
[00:09:15] immediate past president had not even budgeted for
[00:09:19] it, that meant that effectively, as at May
[00:09:23] 29, 2023,
[00:09:27] when he took that out of office, if you want to say he's guilty of
[00:09:30] anything, he's only guilty of telling us the truth, because there was no provision
[00:09:34] for it. the second thing is, you don't have to say, okay, countries
[00:09:38] that are like ours, between 1987.
[00:09:43] 8 to 2003, what did we
[00:09:47] see in terms their developmental direction and the
[00:09:51] results? almost every oil producing
[00:09:55] country in the world had scaled up on infrastructure,
[00:09:59] had reform his economy, had tried to ensure that they
[00:10:02] were doing other things beyond just burning money and being stupid,
[00:10:06] they were already a point where they
[00:10:09] were even divesting. and making the
[00:10:13] economy to do all that, including tourism and what are you? what were we
[00:10:17] here doing? we were align our country to pretend
[00:10:21] as if it was servicing the poor, whereas what we created.
[00:10:25] is a big heist for the people who have
[00:10:29] those type of access to convert our country into
[00:10:32] a place where we just bleed our money at great cost.
[00:10:36] okay, we could have continued bleeding it assuming we had the money. as
[00:10:40] at may 29,
[00:10:43] 2023, we had gotten to point that total amount of
[00:10:47] money available, if they had up to that, if they could cash back it
[00:10:51] was about three or four billion US dollar all over. "we
[00:10:55] had gotten to point where because the recklessness of how they
[00:10:59] were managing this same subsidy, we
[00:11:02] had used up all the head room even to get
[00:11:06] facility to loan, we now became a people that
[00:11:09] were pledging our
[00:11:12] future crude sales just to get
[00:11:16] money from capital or money markets in Europe, we got to
[00:11:20] point
[00:11:21] AO where we couldn't even get airlines to respect us." " some
[00:11:25] them reacted by pulling out, and then you come to
[00:11:29] a place, anybody who
[00:11:30] is not brave like him, who does not have the heart of a of
[00:11:33] tiger or even braver tiger,
[00:11:35] than he will just get onto that se that day, and
[00:11:39] he will just drop the gunlet and leave, but because a man
[00:11:43] who had been spending all of his life in preparation
[00:11:47] for a responsibility, he took
[00:11:51] on the boding, he did the most remarkable thing by
[00:11:55] even accepting that he owns both the asset and
[00:11:59] the liability of his predecessors and ran very hard
[00:12:02] until we are here now and you are now shouting well done you people are saying you
[00:12:06] are poor please does the nigerian nation
[00:12:09] have a framework by which is going to be dashing people
[00:12:13] money our salaries not paid our pensions
[00:12:17] not paid what kind of get within the framework at
[00:12:21] the time 38% of you the
[00:12:25] total vote cast in 2023, what percentage is the others
[00:12:28] get? did they get more? so we run this
[00:12:32] country on the principle of simple majority
[00:12:36] and and 25% into third states. what
[00:12:39] they
[00:12:40] are saying worse people don't turn out, it is their, it is
[00:12:44] on them. the responsibility of political parties is to
[00:12:48] canvas, is to market is to stimulate.
[00:12:51] this discipline required, don't you think? the ab
[00:12:55] what they call the abisimal performance of this administration has now
[00:12:59] strengthened the articles of this sort and Peter will be of
[00:13:03] this sort and they are stronger now i would have
[00:13:06] preferred you didn't even mention their names because you force me to have to do a conversation
[00:13:10] around them let's start with
[00:13:12] peter for all of
[00:13:16] his fabostery jumping here jumping there the greatest thing
[00:13:20] they can bring to the table emotionally is the need for us to do
[00:13:24] equity. see for the southeast because they have not been president in
[00:13:28] at least in this republic, you saying it should not be viewed in that person, can you
[00:13:32] just can't say whatever he wants from his mouth, i'm telling you that is one the biggest
[00:13:36] things that look please,
[00:13:39] please, any man who makes
[00:13:43] it a habit to bost that a nation of 220
[00:13:46] million people, he is saint, and yet he cannot
[00:13:50] produce people that work for him to back up that is sainthood, yet we
[00:13:54] visit. and realize that what have these people done there? you can't go to
[00:13:58] ak and go to ano and be thinking that the saint pass through anambrana, you would rather
[00:14:02] say saints are passed through, and then
[00:14:05] they talk about we didn't leave that, we didn't leave that, his successor and all his
[00:14:08] successors from time have been saying that's not the true position of thing,
[00:14:12] because we don't want to get into a breakbat argument with him, that does
[00:14:16] not mean the things he saying are totally correct, any case what is he campaigning
[00:14:20] on? peter is master of campaigning a
[00:14:24] pros that he doesn't even. to construct, he will say, i'm going to
[00:14:28] run production to develop, consumption to production, when you
[00:14:31] try to listen deep, okay, what does he
[00:14:34] mean? he will run to the landmarks of
[00:14:38] Niger and say, because the landmarks of Niger is more than that
[00:14:41] of Europe, therefore they can produce all the food, he will not put
[00:14:45] context, by what magic is it going to force them to the farm,
[00:14:48] by what magic is he going to ensure, by what magic is he going to do the
[00:14:52] incentive, what is the cost component of what? is trying to do, what is the time
[00:14:56] frame by which you will implement it? has he taken into consideration that in this
[00:15:00] country almost every government has thrown in lot of money into agriculture and yet it has
[00:15:04] gone down the drain, and when you give him a pulse for say okay, maybe you will be able to
[00:15:08] fight corruption, then the question you will then begin to say that okay, here this guy
[00:15:12] doesn't want to, this guy wants to fight corruption, and then it gets to the ludicrous level of
[00:15:15] telling you that he's going to do it by himself, he will go around the state, the country will stay
[00:15:19] the days after saying the days he will not consider that is going to have national
[00:15:23] assembly that has to pass budget. he will not consider the broocracy, he will just
[00:15:27] imagine that hly becomes president, they are just going to say, okay,
[00:15:31] king Peter of Linus kingdom, now you can start doing anything
[00:15:34] you like, nobody will answer, that's a joke now, no, it lies
[00:15:38] lot, his daughters are, see it was
[00:15:42] as the minister she was called, she was the first person to
[00:15:46] make me start looking as his data, i said hey, where is mr, where is
[00:15:49] mr. some of this is data and this statistic is not all
[00:15:53] that, i think that thing they call
[00:15:57] it platform, and when she then said that, i then began
[00:16:01] to pay bigger attention, what's
[00:16:03] this guy's doing, what's he trying to do, all the people who
[00:16:06] know
[00:16:07] number with tell you, I give you one story that will shock you, he wanted to
[00:16:11] do the election of Valentine Ozigo, while he was in
[00:16:14] PDP, Valentine at the match as the candidate, which was his
[00:16:18] preferred candidate, I went to Annambra and I realized that lot the big
[00:16:22] players there were not supporting or they were a bit look one, I
[00:16:26] came back, I started disturbing all the leaders, why are you not
[00:16:29] joining, you
[00:16:31] so me, they say, ah, Peter likes to work alone, he doesn't like anybody to join,
[00:16:34] I said, okay, let us go and beg, okay, we
[00:16:37] agree, we will now tell him to let us
[00:16:41] have dikora, obiora, who is the md, the one that
[00:16:45] owns united airline who also cont come and partner and be
[00:16:49] the secondly person, the deputy
[00:16:51] to valentine, so you can walk,
[00:16:55] you know what happen, you did the call the meeting for them to take that, peter conveniently did
[00:16:59] not go, and is people that when they are conveniently insisted that it was his
[00:17:02] own pre-chosing candidate that won that will be the ticket, so he
[00:17:06] wanted to...
[00:17:08] the the
[00:17:08] the the governor, he wanted to have the deputy, and what was the result? he lost
[00:17:11] i th called i said, look dude, you lost
[00:17:14] with, you have lost
[00:17:18] with the other
[00:17:19] guy,
[00:17:24] you have lost this place back to back, we
[00:17:28] need a different kind of game, that's the one that
[00:17:32] you want me to drop b for, you must be kidding, if you want to
[00:17:36] compare his record with whatever you say, go and tell me whether even you as a
[00:17:40] Nigerian, I not from Lagos State, whether you are not even proud
[00:17:44] the framework that allows refinary to stay there,
[00:17:47] seat to stay there, and all the great things happening there, or you are not
[00:17:51] proud the fact that when you go even the island,
[00:17:55] you can see the number of human beings who have emptied into, any case does Peter
[00:17:59] even stay to build a party, he will have a
[00:18:02] problem,
[00:18:03] you guys are talking, you are talking about him because it's a bigger threat that you see.
[00:18:07] ask a question, listen, if you had not asked me about him, i have
[00:18:11] no, he's going to lose, are you
[00:18:14] sure? cockshore, he's going to
[00:18:18] lose, look, he's going to lose, he's just going to be
[00:18:22] screaming with his small small boots that be shouting, they
[00:18:25] not go, they not go great down freaking what, now let's go to
[00:18:28] article, that is one that puts a dager in my
[00:18:32] chest, in two circles i actually
[00:18:36] did think, that the idea of
[00:18:39] private sector running government efficiently,
[00:18:43] that that was his mo, and we
[00:18:47] spoke
[00:18:47] to read, we talked about it and I did so much, as matter of
[00:18:51] fact, I kept saying to him and he knows I keep saying that, look man, you are the
[00:18:55] man in the arena, don't worry about the outcome pas
[00:18:59] say, history can capture you as the one that even
[00:19:02] made the democracy, because somebody has to compete, and I will got
[00:19:06] more money. he goes and do a
[00:19:10] write about of everything he has stood for and represented in his
[00:19:14] life and says what he knows
[00:19:17] work oh we are going to return when
[00:19:20] it could start being the champion the poor is it by
[00:19:24] his lifestyle is
[00:19:26] it the grandiosity is it the fact that he identify for replacement for
[00:19:30] bar in the north
[00:19:31] may did
[00:19:35] not become baari because he was going to around saying
[00:19:38] today, x tomorrow, from the day he started is everybody know he was no non
[00:19:42] nonsense leader on anti-corruption, now you have a situation on your hand, you are
[00:19:46] saying things that you yourself, ah how would this work? okay, let me consider you
[00:19:50] are smart enough and you can make you work. did you think that the
[00:19:54] people who introduce subsidy in 1973 did not think it will
[00:19:57] work? we work that journey, one leader go, one leader come, we saw the
[00:20:01] result i think we have just barely gone, article looks more formidable
[00:20:05] this 2007, he is formidable because buse is only candidate coming from the
[00:20:09] north,
[00:20:10] you know, I beg you, don't join the
[00:20:14] free of people who think that only one person can harvest votes from the
[00:20:18] north, even for the article, do you know how many
[00:20:21] generation of fine men his
[00:20:24] ambition has destroyed,
[00:20:27] because those were governors in 1999 who
[00:20:31] are governors, where are they, those who were northern boys who were
[00:20:35] governors in 2003, where are they? those were governors in 2007,
[00:20:39] where are they? 2011, where are they? 2015, where are they?
[00:20:43] 2019, where are they? 2020, does that
[00:20:46] mean that? he
[00:20:50] thinks that his life is
[00:20:54] only to be lived around an
[00:20:57] ambition that represent him being the only one that
[00:21:01] knows, any man who cannot throw up mentors cannot throw up
[00:21:04] anybody now, even at the level the president, b has already thrown up
[00:21:08] a mentor, a menti who at least became vice president before
[00:21:12] him, which of his own have been anything apart from
[00:21:16] every time, do
[00:21:16] you know what one leader said to me from balchi one day when i many years ago when
[00:21:20] i went to beg
[00:21:22] you guys please yes
[00:21:26] he said when is he going to have ambition
[00:21:30] fatigue we have been sting we have been moving
[00:21:34] for him since 92 is there not a day himself even look at us and
[00:21:38] say oh i have groomed you people here come and run them up okay we are now
[00:21:41] here makes it worse we run this country
[00:21:45] a strict principle of pendulum that died was no
[00:21:49] mass making. and we even see reverted it back to the
[00:21:52] pendulum, we've just done in eight years
[00:21:55] of great man, fine man, keeps his word,
[00:21:59] maintains integrity, and he doesn't even see one that he
[00:22:03] even owes the evil, because you can go and look
[00:22:06] at his number, but 2023 when Peter was running, they gave him
[00:22:09] 100% their support, and he has no capacity to imagine that, okay,
[00:22:13] I'm older now, these are younger men, can't i back one, assuming you cannot
[00:22:17] even back, so there is no younger. northern person he can
[00:22:21] back that they can bring to us and we can feel this a bit of freshness, why
[00:22:25] must we die on the on the June 12th on the mandate to shall stand
[00:22:29] forever, especially when one the sons from his
[00:22:32] classroom, me and you we went to school together, teacher thought
[00:22:36] both of us, his name is many years after
[00:22:40] after all the wall, including the man paying his price, one of us have won the
[00:22:44] presidency, do you not think that the right thing to do for nation like this is
[00:22:48] collaboration so that we can just okay from everything our master has taught
[00:22:51] us, we want to build an ark, handshake
[00:22:54] over, must be you, okay,
[00:22:58] leave that, you have taken all the political
[00:23:02] parties that you have been in, none them are satisfied you, you
[00:23:06] had vice presidency with abbaso, i the one that to go and be fighting like small
[00:23:10] children there, like babies, other people have been vice president in this
[00:23:14] country after, have you heard f just coming to be fighting themselves
[00:23:18] any anyway, okay now you did that? then you went and joined
[00:23:21] them
[00:23:23] and we shouldn't
[00:23:26] stay when you finished then you came back and said you
[00:23:30] wanted to try and do another thing with them you didn't win then you
[00:23:34] when
[00:23:35] you stay could
[00:23:35] then have maybe made
[00:23:37] it for youg for you to did you listen
[00:23:40] you stay when you join them to go and what's his
[00:23:44] name new pdp carr
[00:23:48] and go and PC did I not want you that what are people
[00:23:52] doing? You went in there, you could not stay, they even won the election,
[00:23:55] Buhari even won the election, ordinary congratulation was
[00:23:59] hard, people sat down there, you couldn't even stay, now you
[00:24:03] February finishes the first time, you couldn't stay, guari
[00:24:07] finishes the second time, people are shouting, you are hearing oh, your country say
[00:24:10] is the south of this, you went there, your ambition destroyed
[00:24:13] PDPtically, and when
[00:24:15] they even we still managed to squiz, you gave you the ticket, you didn't
[00:24:19] win, then..." you now decided that you want to do please, you
[00:24:23] not decided that you want to do coalition, you
[00:24:27] could not, could not do that coalition around the PDP that has
[00:24:31] given him almost everything, he goes now, jumps
[00:24:35] himself into another new part, they didn't look
[00:24:38] well, they have lot of legal issue, if they
[00:24:42] cannot sleep in the night is tinum, if their child is not doing well
[00:24:46] it, if their wives are not smiling at them,
[00:24:50] they do not break their break, what kind of nonsense is this? if that is their own type of
[00:24:54] politics, are we should not play that type of
[00:24:57] politics? finally, that's why i created the alternative that we may
[00:25:01] begin to look for younger fresher guys and if
[00:25:04] president federal republic, even if he cannot do anything, let him sit there
[00:25:08] on the 20th so he can just help us retire them and fresh air
[00:25:12] can blow on younger, sharper, more capable
[00:25:15] people, more difficult,
[00:25:19] okay? the reality on ground now,
[00:25:21] what is that reality? that the pathway that he did even win Legos States,
[00:25:25] that is not sure that is going to get substantial votes even within the
[00:25:28] southwest, looking at
[00:25:30] what is happened in osum state, looking at what happened in state, the
[00:25:33] APM state has a presidential candidate,
[00:25:36] which is what a presidential candidate, look my friend
[00:25:40] anybody that cannot read the mood the nation is
[00:25:43] clown, we're barely struggling to
[00:25:47] agree that even the one euroban that is there. the others are still
[00:25:51] struggling, the ebos have not produced presidency in this republic
[00:25:55] and did to many others, the not
[00:25:57] we are even still begging in other gentlemen so that we don't destroy our country, let us respect the
[00:26:01] principle, then you actually... think that one
[00:26:05] boy from ibadon will now tell the whole world in Nigeria that
[00:26:09] let him come and start a fresh mandate for look you think is
[00:26:12] joking he's clowning about i've just come back from
[00:26:16] your now i went did oyo did a deep dive did
[00:26:20] interview take all the voxp then came
[00:26:24] to did so much opened up a campaign
[00:26:27] council that is alternative fully fully at the grass
[00:26:31] road
[00:27:02] so G1 now you imagine will be G1, he will be
[00:27:06] contending with the political capacity of people like and let me
[00:27:10] quickly go on that wicky thing, because I see people in APC
[00:27:13] acting like they have no, with due respect, no
[00:27:17] capacity to see properly, do they
[00:27:21] know the number of people
[00:27:25] that are PDP sympathizers who are
[00:27:29] now fully committed to the election the president of... because
[00:27:33] of wik do they know what the structure even in that small
[00:27:36] cano is do they know his structure in the they can joke
[00:27:40] because people are willing to help them in their party they
[00:27:44] would have they would have been smelling their asses if we
[00:27:48] had decided that no we are not
[00:27:51] interested.
[00:28:02] Anyway wish you the best of luck,
[00:28:04] I wish you the best of luck too, I always anytime I see you, you
[00:28:08] always a delight to watch and um I hope before the election
[00:28:12] you will join us again, if you invite me I'll come, all right, thank you, it's still
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