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[00:03:00] Welcome back, it's politics on Sunday, as
[00:03:04] Nigeria's political forces really ahead
[00:03:07] of the 2027 Politics on Sunday
[00:03:10] of interrogates of the alliances, ambitions and power struggles
[00:03:14] shaping the race for the presidency. Today, the spotlight is
[00:03:18] on Json wickets rainbow
[00:03:20] in coalition,
[00:03:21] a cross party political movement built around President
[00:03:25] of Bolatinobus reelection. For its supporters, the coalition expands
[00:03:29] their president's electoral reach drawing
[00:03:33] influential politicians and opposition voters into his
[00:03:36] camp, but APC governors see a different
[00:03:40] danger, a parallel structure that would weaken the ruling
[00:03:44] party, undermine its candidates and create competing
[00:03:47] centers of power within Tinobu's campaign. Wik
[00:03:51] insists his commitment is to the
[00:03:54] president, not necessarily to every APC
[00:03:58] candidates. The governors however argue that Tinobu
[00:04:02] cannot
[00:04:03] of secure reelection by strengthening allies who may work
[00:04:07] against the
[00:04:08] of party beneath him,
[00:04:09] of so is wik bringing President Tinoble's votes the
[00:04:13] ABC cannot secure its own or building a political
[00:04:17] machine that could fracture the president's strongest
[00:04:21] electoral structure, can President Tinov accommodate both
[00:04:25] me camps without allowing their rivalry to become a
[00:04:28] threat to reelection. my guest is member
[00:04:32] of the house of representative from kanosit, honorable
[00:04:36] abdul, how
[00:04:38] are you sir? i'm fine, i'm fine, and you very
[00:04:41] well, so let's just quickly listen
[00:04:44] in to what the chairman
[00:04:45] of the governor forum, PDP progressive governor forum, said about this
[00:04:49] rainbow coalition, the forum
[00:04:53] unanimously
[00:04:54] of resolved the east members will not participate
[00:04:57] in support. or endorse
[00:05:01] any alliance or political arrangement
[00:05:05] of capable of undermining the re-election of Mr. President,
[00:05:08] weakening the APC or adversely affecting
[00:05:12] any candidate the party at all level, in other
[00:05:16] words, the forum have no intention to support any
[00:05:20] candidate any level that is not an APC
[00:05:23] candidate, because the elections and our candidates are
[00:05:27] standing election as being sponsored by our
[00:05:30] party.
[00:05:34] okay, honorable, let's look at the pushback by the
[00:05:38] APC governors against the r coalition of.
[00:05:42] "this is like novel, this is the first time I'm seen this kind of coalition, this is not a
[00:05:46] marger, this is not an alliance, but something that is
[00:05:50] maybe within the south south part of Nigeria, and it's
[00:05:53] now snowballing into other parts of Nigeria, we've seen that some
[00:05:57] agrieved members the APC, of APC
[00:06:01] particularly, they are now gravitating or they've gravitated
[00:06:05] towards the wicky tendency of Rible coalition, and
[00:06:08] it's like a sanctuary to them
[00:06:12] that a win..." win for b, but two weeks after that we are meant to
[00:06:16] have the governorship election, it might have kind of
[00:06:20] backlash against these governors, please explain this coalition to
[00:06:23] me, well, i believe as
[00:06:27] you've mentioned, first let me make
[00:06:31] it very clear, i'm not against the
[00:06:35] governors, hold them in high
[00:06:39] esteim, a couple them are my friends.
[00:06:43] uh and particularly my own governor, we have very, very
[00:06:47] good uh relationship, but the for me, as I
[00:06:51] have repeatedly said, anything that I
[00:06:55] discover that can affect uh the
[00:06:58] path to the victory the president, I will always make
[00:07:02] my intervention without minding whose is God
[00:07:06] uh, for me the rainbow callation has
[00:07:10] no any negative... negative effects
[00:07:14] on the president, on the president, on one
[00:07:17] hand, not the governors, on the other hand, on
[00:07:21] the governors, if they perceive
[00:07:25] that the rainbow collation will affect them, what you need to
[00:07:29] do is to negotiate with Wiki. I tell you
[00:07:33] something, for the governors to say it might
[00:07:37] affect them in the election after two
[00:07:40] weeks, it means that the... recognizing the fact that wik is
[00:07:43] strong, wik is very strong. so in
[00:07:47] politics, if you have somebody and you're conceding that
[00:07:51] this person has the capacity even produce members the house of representatives
[00:07:55] if the rainbow coalition goes ahead and even affects the
[00:07:59] governorship election. so what do you do? is it to
[00:08:03] fight him or is it to negotiate with him? and this man
[00:08:07] everybody knows him, as tough as he is, he's a
[00:08:11] deal maker. so I do not see why
[00:08:15] the i i want to choose my words
[00:08:18] carefully, but I believe that uh the governors were too
[00:08:22] hard uh, the the
[00:08:26] modus operanty shouldn't have been
[00:08:27] like that, they should have been conversation behind
[00:08:31] the scene, this is point where we need more
[00:08:35] Wiki, I tell you something, do you know that if
[00:08:39] Wiki were not to be working with APC
[00:08:42] today, he would have been able to form the same rainbow coalition for
[00:08:46] the opposition, so the opposition today, what they
[00:08:50] are missing, their missing link is a wiki, so it's not all
[00:08:54] the time you have a wiki, and keep telling people, we
[00:08:58] need more weak case in APC, but this
[00:09:02] are trying to say is either you are in or you're out that you are not a member of
[00:09:06] APC, well what's the meaning of rainbow coalition,
[00:09:09] well anybody this first time we having such a...
[00:09:13] anybody, anybody who holds that kind of
[00:09:16] opinion, I do not think he has a complete interest
[00:09:20] the president at heart, because
[00:09:24] I tell you this, if
[00:09:27] today you asked me that
[00:09:30] should we come into APC, I would say no, because
[00:09:34] because APC needs him better outside than inside
[00:09:38] APC, to be destroyer parties.
[00:09:42] you can't call him a destroyer, politics is about the roof, politics is
[00:09:46] about interest, you can use any kind of language, but I do not
[00:09:50] agree with it, politics is about interest and his
[00:09:54] interest was affected, and he believes that his interest will be prof
[00:09:57] would will be prot, will be protected or better served,
[00:10:01] working in alliance, he is just walking in alliance
[00:10:05] with apc, but for people who are fighting him, we look at him
[00:10:09] as a as destroyer. or all if they have an
[00:10:13] edge they would have done the same thing to uh to him, so
[00:10:17] I believe that uh Wiki is somebody you can
[00:10:20] manage, you understand his kind of a person, he's not a
[00:10:24] person that you... will slap, he will slap him and you expect that he will not
[00:10:28] retaliate, and by the time you slap somebody, you cannot tell him
[00:10:31] how he should uh respond, i don't want to
[00:10:35] go into the exchange that they've had, but i want
[00:10:38] to focus, looking beyond you
[00:10:42] know beyond river states, yes that look
[00:10:46] this thing is now taking to some part some
[00:10:50] some part the north, some part of north central than the governor, the chairman
[00:10:54] of governor forum. complaining bitterly that you are interfering
[00:10:57] into my interp party problem. isn't that
[00:11:01] telling you how sophisticated week is
[00:11:05] and the need to have a conversation with with
[00:11:09] him. the people who make office and the people who
[00:11:13] office makes them. the president has proven he's one of such
[00:11:17] persons that it is not an office that makes him. so president, whether
[00:11:21] he's in office or he's not in office, he maintains his relevance. that's how people like:
[00:11:25] Wiki uh, if the governors are saying that Wiki has set up
[00:11:29] something that is becoming like a wild fire,
[00:11:33] shows that the man is is strong, is sophisticated, so
[00:11:37] what you need to do, most especially that he is working with your
[00:11:41] party is for us to go into discussions with
[00:11:44] him, and if if they are not able to reach some
[00:11:48] kind of understanding at individual level of various states,
[00:11:52] then they can employ the... the service the
[00:11:56] president to come in and broker and broker peace, but I
[00:11:59] believe that individual states can
[00:12:03] have a conversation, but if you look at it from the point of view of saying
[00:12:07] I'm too big to sit with wiki or who is wiki for me to
[00:12:11] sit with and have a conv, I think it's a wrong approach, the bigger thing that we
[00:12:15] want, the bigger pie is the presidential uh
[00:12:18] election, so for me the priority is the
[00:12:22] president, we also want the governors, we also want the national assembly uh
[00:12:25] members, but yeah, my
[00:12:29] my, the issue is that uh, the
[00:12:33] governor was saying they cannot defeat wik's
[00:12:35] candidates, let's go, first election, we will win our
[00:12:39] election, win the president election, second election, defeat wik's
[00:12:43] candidate if he is not strong, but if you believe that wik is strong, my
[00:12:47] advise is that negotiate with wiki, i
[00:12:51] had somebody a situation institution. one
[00:12:55] point, just one point, i had somebody said, no, no, no, no, wik is doing the rainbow
[00:12:59] collation uh because of
[00:13:01] 20 31 and
[00:13:05] whatsoever, what is wrong in having an ambition, but wiki has
[00:13:08] made it clear that i have, even if i'm going to have ambition,
[00:13:12] will be whenever tinibu leaves
[00:13:16] power, so what is wrong? so i believe the man has
[00:13:20] given, given, given, given to APC, if he
[00:13:24] decides to hold some. for himself, i believe that what we need to do
[00:13:27] as a party APC is to sit with Wiki and have a
[00:13:31] conversation with him and see how we will be able to
[00:13:34] manage everything that uh uh is going on, but I believe that
[00:13:38] we need the rainbow coalition, if you know what is happening at the
[00:13:42] level of every state, the governors are doing their
[00:13:46] best, particularly we in Kano our governor is doing extremely well,
[00:13:50] that's why you're hearing we are not having problem of
[00:13:52] rainbow.
[00:13:56] and and the rest, but if in case the issue
[00:14:00] of rainbow collision comes up in Kanu, I will advise my governor that
[00:14:04] let's have a conversation with Wiki, because he
[00:14:07] has a firm grip over that, one last thing I
[00:14:11] wanted to say is that the governors should
[00:14:15] also thank wiki, yes, do you know
[00:14:19] that if Wiki hadn't played the role
[00:14:23] he played coming into? men of national
[00:14:26] unity, the rallying point the opposition would have been
[00:14:30] PDP, there would have been heavy fireworks by now in every
[00:14:34] state, so that is why I made a statement few days ago and
[00:14:38] I said no member, and I repeated the
[00:14:41] statement, no member of APC that has not directly or
[00:14:45] indirectly benefited from Wiki, a couple of governors who are
[00:14:49] my friends called me that why will you make that statement withdraw it, I said, look, let me
[00:14:53] prove it to you, wik help to get the
[00:14:56] presidency, today we're getting allocations in states and
[00:15:00] everything and the rest even after the elections, do you know
[00:15:04] the role that wiki has played to help the government till date
[00:15:08] a lot addition to his performance in fc? okay, as we are
[00:15:11] reaching looking at the alliance between
[00:15:15] the the last minute talk between NDC
[00:15:19] and the ADC and some other opposition party SDP that
[00:15:23] if this works that this might be a big problem for
[00:15:27] the APC that if one the big
[00:15:30] two article or be decide to step down
[00:15:34] and work together. Yeah, I always like
[00:15:38] to go to war with uh multiple
[00:15:41] bullets, so and for APC and for the president
[00:15:45] in particular, I know that we have a plan a, plan
[00:15:49] b, plan c, plan. In fact in the case the president, he
[00:15:53] has a plan A to plan z, that is how President
[00:15:57] Tinibu operates. Now, let's
[00:16:01] take it for granted. I personally, if you ask me
[00:16:05] to do an analysis, I will tell you that
[00:16:07] it is practically impossible for them to come together because I know the
[00:16:10] mindset of some the principal actors, I'm quite
[00:16:14] close with
[00:16:16] a couple with a couple of uh with a couple of uh with a couple them
[00:16:20] uh, but secondly take it assuming, but
[00:16:24] not considering that they will come uh together, they will still not be
[00:16:28] able to defeat president uh, I tell you this, but they
[00:16:32] even be able to come together, that's it, they can't, you can see it very clearly, it's not
[00:16:35] possible.
[00:16:37] to come together makes it more difficult, absolutely,
[00:16:41] very, very, very difficult, and they've lost the mallege of
[00:16:45] time, they lost so much along ah along the
[00:16:49] way, let's look at s,
[00:16:51] and you see, I keep saying it, one key person that is
[00:16:55] missing in the opposition is somebody like Wiki, and you
[00:16:59] don't have the, you don't have plenty them, people need to understand this,
[00:17:02] everybody has the kind of blessing that God has given him, the qualities that God has given
[00:17:06] him, you will not have plenty of Wiki. I put
[00:17:10] a bet with you that if Wicky were to be in the opposition, they would
[00:17:14] have been a rainbow coalition, so we should thank God that
[00:17:18] today we have a wiki who is having a rainbow collation and is
[00:17:22] working with, so did not dis. I'm pleading
[00:17:25] to them, you know the governors are, they are my fathers, they are my
[00:17:29] senior brothers, even though some them are my friends, we respect
[00:17:33] them, we love them so much, they're doing a lot of work that we're using.
[00:17:37] now to campaign for themselves and to campaign for the president, but what i'm
[00:17:41] telling the governors is that don't fight weak, we need
[00:17:45] more wiki, negotiate with wiki, don't go public to
[00:17:49] embarrass wiki, it's not necessary, if you say wiki can cause
[00:17:53] you to lose certain things, it means
[00:17:55] is strong, so what you need to do is to have a conversation with
[00:17:59] him, what do you want him to do, please just tell me what
[00:18:03] okay you this
[00:18:04] want kind to of do, situation now the president is like a catch. for the
[00:18:07] president that both them, how
[00:18:11] can the president interven in this kind of situation since the governor's forum, they
[00:18:15] are together saying that no, we don't recognize this coalition,
[00:18:19] for me it's a very, very simple matter, i don't know the mindset
[00:18:23] the president, but i have dealt with him extensively from
[00:18:26] closer range, but i wouldn't want to say what i
[00:18:30] will tell the president, because i intend to also have this conversation with with the
[00:18:34] president, but but again just just to give you a bit of a...
[00:18:38] team, i i if i am the president, let me rather say if i am the
[00:18:41] president, not necessary,
[00:18:46] them what i will tell the president, if i am the president, i'll bring all on, i'll bring all them on on
[00:18:49] on board and have a conversation, and uh,
[00:18:53] read the right act, no more public uh exchange
[00:18:57] if you have any fear, come and have the
[00:19:01] those com governors
[00:19:02] took first, on it took on those governors first, it took on the
[00:19:05] governor and it took on the... post governor in his media chats
[00:19:09] uh, you see, i don't want to go into and those
[00:19:12] guys, might be sort to might be, i don't
[00:19:16] want
[00:19:16] to go into deeper, deeper issues, but
[00:19:20] you also know that there are certain personalities that have
[00:19:23] issues with themselves and uh they could use
[00:19:27] any platform to foster their own
[00:19:31] interest, now i'm not talking about either wiki or anybody address, but they have
[00:19:35] their issues, but another dangerous thing that ' we need to also understand
[00:19:38] and give week credit, people are looking at the negative side, they are not looking
[00:19:42] at the positive uh side, the positive side is
[00:19:45] that in some these states where you have with the exception of
[00:19:49] places like canu legos where you do not have, you have the
[00:19:52] governors uh without people protesting and and and
[00:19:56] the rest where you have people who disagree with the governors
[00:19:59] and they were seated quietly, believe as a politician i know what
[00:20:03] they will do, they will work against the party in totality, so what...
[00:20:07] wik has done, he has provided a platform for
[00:20:11] them, and because they love the president, they've jumped on those
[00:20:14] platform, look, okay, if the governors are talking,
[00:20:18] why are all those candidates that are joining wiki rainbow collation, why didn't
[00:20:22] they go to NDC or ADC, they are interested
[00:20:26] in uh, they only have their own
[00:20:29] issues with internal issues with the governors, so
[00:20:33] and that is why I said the smartest things for the governors to do is
[00:20:37] to... go into negotiation with
[00:20:40] uh with with with Wiki. This is not the time to
[00:20:44] embarrass Wiki, the PDP will never
[00:20:48] agree on this. PDP will not agree, but I will tell you
[00:20:51] something, if we should rewind
[00:20:54] time, believe me, PDP would have given wicky vice
[00:20:58] presidential slot, and we are in that kind of this kind of
[00:21:02] problem, yes and it is this kind of period that we are,
[00:21:06] the same kind of period, and I was telling somebody, I i don't
[00:21:10] think wiki is god, wick is not aby god,
[00:21:12] it's not, it's not, it's an ordinary human being, but I was saying, I was telling somebody
[00:21:16] that if you push Wiki to the wall at this time, and the
[00:21:20] man gets angry and frustrated and decide to go for the brokes that
[00:21:24] look, whatever it is, look, if you want to push me down, let me just
[00:21:28] go down and decide to scatter
[00:21:32] everything, carry the rainbow collation to somewhere else, what will you
[00:21:35] say, what will you say, and i want to tell you
[00:21:39] this, believe me, and i have said it before man and
[00:21:42] god, i don't no week, i'm only
[00:21:46] doing a genuine intervention for the part, for the party and for the...
[00:21:50] person that i love so much, i want him to win his election and he's going
[00:21:54] to win his his election, i have met Wiki only twice in my
[00:21:58] life was we met, we went with
[00:22:02] the chief of when he campaigning for speakership,
[00:22:05] we met him in rivers, the second after the 2003 election in the house
[00:22:09] the speaker chief of staff again we met
[00:22:13] accidentally just hello hello, if
[00:22:16] wik if i see him i know he's wicky, but believe me
[00:22:20] between man and god, i have no
[00:22:24] relationship whatsoever with wiki,
[00:22:28] it is just something
[00:22:29] that i know, i've been around for a while and i understand this kind of
[00:22:32] delicate situation, the chang in 2027,
[00:22:36] between 2023 to 2027, lot of people will tell you that
[00:22:40] look, the northerners that they are not happy with b, i
[00:22:44] don't, you are from kano, your constituents, yeah, i don't know what's
[00:22:48] the feedback they are giving you about government and the presidency of
[00:22:52] bolatinable, i've answered this question
[00:22:55] repeatedly, repeatedly and i will answer it again, the problem
[00:22:59] we had at the beginning was communication
[00:23:02] gap, some people successfully black
[00:23:06] mailed the president extensively in the north, it
[00:23:10] was case of blackmail, the president
[00:23:13] was working for the north, but there was communication
[00:23:17] gap, nobody knew, the president appointed
[00:23:21] so many northerners until when we brought out and started making the
[00:23:24] comparison ring out all the appointments that
[00:23:27] he is given to northerns and
[00:23:28] the rest many people do not know then people are
[00:23:31] supposed to read out history to people how much
[00:23:35] sacrifice the president had made to northern us
[00:23:39] before northerners even rally around him all these
[00:23:42] issues we're not being put forward to our people because of time
[00:23:46] factor i will not be able to go into that details but what i'm assuring is
[00:23:50] that now people are being told they know
[00:23:54] what is going on in power, what he's done in Daana, what he's
[00:23:57] done in Bichi, he's completed Kaduna, he's completed Kaduna
[00:24:01] kado road, abuja kaduna is about been
[00:24:05] completed, this is it's going a
[00:24:09] lot of work going on
[00:24:10] agricultural sector, he's
[00:24:14] working so hard to resolve the mambia, so
[00:24:17] many things are going on.
[00:24:21] for for the north in terms of appointment we've taken time to explain
[00:24:25] the balance they have south have
[00:24:28] finance so many
[00:24:30] things lot of people
[00:24:33] say the uh
[00:24:37] choosing your former
[00:24:40] godfathero as is
[00:24:43] deputy i don't like the word i don't like the word former okay
[00:24:47] your godfather he is still my godfather? he is still my
[00:24:51] boss, he is still my er, i love
[00:24:54] him so much, we only have a
[00:24:58] this uh agreement over
[00:25:01] strategic issues of where we should uh head
[00:25:05] to, that's the only thing otherwise i hold him and will continue
[00:25:08] to hold him in higher selection by
[00:25:12] peter will be as his running mates that that is a political
[00:25:16] masterstroke and that will sway the nots, it will swit his vote,
[00:25:19] it will... improve his fortune from what he had in
[00:25:22] 2023 better in 2027, he's not
[00:25:26] a ballot kwakwaso, he's not in the ballot,
[00:25:29] kwakwaso is on the ballot, he's not on the ballot,
[00:25:32] he's a ko tickets,
[00:25:35] as far as we are concerned, it's a Peter OB, it's
[00:25:39] a Peter OB, is not on the b, it's a
[00:25:41] presidential, it's a presidential candidate, and we've
[00:25:45] always thought it is going to be a presidential
[00:25:49] candidate. so what we are saying
[00:25:51] is like just a rubber in my in my wildest dream
[00:25:54] i i've never spoken about koso and i don't like talking about
[00:25:58] it for the respect i have for
[00:26:01] him tell
[00:26:02] let you something, but for the first time let me just say one thing, just one little
[00:26:06] thing, one of my biggest shock was
[00:26:10] accepting to
[00:26:11] run as deputy, deputy to ob knowing
[00:26:15] fully the conversations that we've had with him
[00:26:18] about uh that, but but
[00:26:21] again, about him
[00:26:24] again, about him
[00:26:26] agreeing,
[00:26:28] i want us to break it down,
[00:26:32] you're such a journalist, you are trying to drag
[00:26:36] me to say what he said, but that's not the point that I'm making, I would never
[00:26:39] say that about what I am saying, we are talking about now,
[00:26:43] is this difficult, it will it be difficult to sell
[00:26:46] 100, 100%
[00:26:50] extremely, look at look at the emphasis I made,
[00:26:53] extremely difficult to market will
[00:26:56] be in the north, in the north, yes, unfortun,
[00:26:59] religion, unfortunity, unfortunately.
[00:27:03] unfortunately Konkoso is not the one on the ballot, if
[00:27:06] conkoso were to be the presidential candidate and would be the
[00:27:10] running mate, it would have been, it would have been a
[00:27:13] dycy situation, it have been a dycy
[00:27:16] situation, it, but but but
[00:27:19] being running running mate has made things
[00:27:23] much more easier, so
[00:27:27] that's it, and that is why you see these issues that you bring it,
[00:27:31] that is why Look, APC need
[00:27:35] to embrace Rainbow Coalition, so for the
[00:27:39] presidential, do you think people will prefer to follow
[00:27:42] APC in Karno, because we know the vote of kano will
[00:27:46] go a long way in deciding so much up north and even affects
[00:27:50] everything that happens in the south. Do you want to put a bet with
[00:27:53] me? I want
[00:27:55] to put a bet with you today. What is today's
[00:27:58] date? 19th, right? Today is
[00:28:01] 19th. 19 or 20 19 or 20 19
[00:28:05] 19th 20th 20th today today today is 20th
[00:28:09] sorry i've been traveling to open them so today is
[00:28:12] 20 kan will go APC for the
[00:28:16] president forget about what you are hearing all the shout you
[00:28:20] are hearing forget forget what you
[00:28:23] are here he is not on the ballot so forget forget it he's
[00:28:27] influential he has support but
[00:28:31] that miscalculation of not being the presidential
[00:28:35] candidate and having to ob i don't have
[00:28:38] problem with ob, but just the
[00:28:41] reality aha, so it will be difficult, it's a hard
[00:28:45] sell, it's a hard sell, very, very hard sell, we have to leave it
[00:28:49] there, honorable abdul, thank you very much, he's the all progressive
[00:28:52] congress from cano state, and um, we expect
[00:28:56] the minister of FCT tomorrow, tomorrow is going to
[00:29:00] be live in on TBC
[00:29:14] so thank you so much and he's been doing a very good
[00:29:16] job in Abuja for
[00:29:20] about 40 years i we came to Abuja when i
[00:29:24] was 13 so so i know wiki is one the
[00:29:28] best thing that has happened to aboja but we have that conversation another day thank you
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