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[00:00:54] Hello and welcome to Newsweek where we highlight some
[00:00:57] of the biggest stories that made the headlines recently. I am. Mark ot today on the
[00:01:01] program, federal
[00:01:02] in government orders probe into death of 33 illegal mining suspects
[00:01:05] in NSCDC custody, suspend
[00:01:08] commandant. President Tinuble Hills Nigeria's victory over
[00:01:12] Sunrise Power and Transmission Company Limited at International Chamber
[00:01:16] of Commerce,
[00:01:17] a ICC Arbitration Tribunal. And later on the show, APC governors
[00:01:21] distance themselves from wiki led rainbow coalition,
[00:01:24] a deny alliance. All the details in moment, we back. Stay
[00:01:29] a tuned.
[00:01:34] Welcome back, the federal
[00:01:35] in government has ordered an independent probe into the deaths of 37
[00:01:39] suspected illegal miners in NSCDC custody in
[00:01:42] Naggested,
[00:01:44] of NSCDC commandant and other offices have been suspended
[00:01:48] pending the
[00:01:49] of investigation. in The of government
[00:01:49] of says the probe will establish the circumstances surrounding the
[00:01:53] debts and determine responsibility. And of course, joining me tonight in the
[00:01:57] studio is Public Affairs
[00:01:59] of analyst.
[00:02:00] of still right here with me, good to have you on the show, thank
[00:02:04] of you sir, thank you for having me, and of course i have Raymond who is
[00:02:07] of also
[00:02:08] of a legal practitioner is joining us virtually, Raymond, it
[00:02:12] is indeed a pleasure to have you you on
[00:02:16] Zoom to
[00:02:30] go, it's all right, let me take on you first
[00:02:32] of quickly, now how does a law enforcement
[00:02:35] of operation end with dozens of detainees
[00:02:39] losing their lives from your
[00:02:43] of standpoint? very very pointed question, honestly um, it's a very,
[00:02:47] very unfortunate situation, um, might call it
[00:02:51] case of law enforcement goon
[00:02:54] of totally wrong, you know, it shouldn't this sort of,
[00:02:58] this kind of story should never have happened.
[00:03:02] when the news broke, the first thing that jumped at me is
[00:03:05] this, under the constitution you can't detain a suspen
[00:03:09] beyond
[00:03:10] of 48 hours without charging them to the nearest court, now if these
[00:03:14] persons have been in custody, the question is for how long have they been kept in custody, why were
[00:03:18] they not ch to court, so so
[00:03:20] so when you prop
[00:03:21] in deeper into this into this issue, it does,
[00:03:24] of it just tells you the very very dysfunctional
[00:03:27] nature in which law enforcement is... conducted in this country and
[00:03:31] kid you not, this is my tough, the
[00:03:34] of NSCDC is not an isolation, it's the same thing happened across the
[00:03:38] various law enforcement
[00:03:39] you know in this in this country, and it is because this
[00:03:43] one has now blown in the face, that's why it is getting this of attention,
[00:03:47] a but I tell you this is the this is this is the norm across law various
[00:03:51] law enforcement you their detention cells, and I
[00:03:55] hope by the end of this whole incident
[00:03:57] of it to perhaps
[00:03:58] you know uh ' triggered necessary reforms to make sure
[00:04:02] that law enforcement agencies who have the right to detain suspect
[00:04:06] or detain suspect within the limitations
[00:04:09] of the law, if you have suspect that for some reason
[00:04:13] have health
[00:04:15] of you know underline health issues is either you you charge them to court or you send them to
[00:04:19] um to the nearest health facility where they could get care you
[00:04:23] know the fact that a person is your custody does not make
[00:04:26] them guilty
[00:04:27] of the allegations brought against them they are still retain the the
[00:04:31] their presumptive right of of of innocence or proving
[00:04:34] guilty so it's
[00:04:36] a very bad um situation and i just
[00:04:39] hope uh with the interventions here and there by the president, the police, the
[00:04:43] minister of interior um the those who
[00:04:47] are liable consequ we should see the consequences felt either in terms of
[00:04:51] persons losing their job so that the
[00:04:53] of deterrant value may be felt and we can
[00:04:55] you know begin to conduct law
[00:04:56] of enforcement with more
[00:04:58] of decents in this. Thank you very much, uh, Bon Ali, very
[00:05:02] quickly, one
[00:05:04] of the accounts of uh, one
[00:05:06] of the survivors, we were jampacked in the cell, no ventilation for
[00:05:10] us to breathe well, all of sudden. we realized that we could not
[00:05:14] breathe and we're all scampering for where to have
[00:05:18] fresh air. we even appealed to the several
[00:05:21] you know uh to them several times bank the cell door but they
[00:05:25] refused to answer us. this was an account from dawda
[00:05:29] shehu. now the NSC report, NSCDC reportedly
[00:05:32] attributed the death
[00:05:34] to suspected disease outbreak. another independent report revealed
[00:05:38] suffocation. is this not getting already intense with contradictory
[00:05:42] report? and findings: well, first of all, the constitution of this
[00:05:45] country, the 1999 constitution guarantees a right to
[00:05:49] life, you cannot take the life of any person
[00:05:52] intentionally a manner that is not sanctioned by law,
[00:05:56] eg,
[00:05:57] you know, execution of a court order, where someone has been pronounced
[00:06:01] guilty of murder and should be executed, or in defense of
[00:06:04] public property and lives when there's an insurgency,
[00:06:08] breakdown of law and order and all those things that guarantee law enforcement.
[00:06:12] to resist yeah a manner or when when it is a
[00:06:16] situation where a capital offense is being committed
[00:06:20] or you know and so the law enforcement have a duty to ensure that they
[00:06:24] prevent that capital offens in that process lives may be taken
[00:06:28] but these are you know places or situations
[00:06:31] where uh the law you know gives some kind of
[00:06:35] backing for that type of activity so in this situation
[00:06:39] 33 people is huge number of Nigerians who
[00:06:43] should have been presumed innocent until proven guilty yeah,
[00:06:46] so they were a room a survivor
[00:06:49] says they were
[00:06:52] suffocated, but obviously they
[00:06:55] died without um um any
[00:06:59] legal basis for them dying in the way that they died and
[00:07:03] as such a probe into their deaths is the
[00:07:06] least that the authorities you know should ensure be
[00:07:09] done obviously one the you most effective
[00:07:13] ways of proving uh cause of death is an autopsy, the right?
[00:07:17] all 33 bodies
[00:07:20] should be uh, you should be should should be examined
[00:07:23] by pathologist who will determine the cause of death,
[00:07:27] if it is suffocation, if it is poisoning, whether
[00:07:31] food or drink or any form of uh, perhaps even
[00:07:35] gas introduced into the cell, because the subject matter the
[00:07:39] alleged crime is so controversial. that
[00:07:43] you cannot remove the fact that a crime may have been committed,
[00:07:47] which led to the death these 33 people, 37, 37 people,
[00:07:51] so it it behoves on the authorities to ensure
[00:07:54] that those who should be presumed innocent or to proven
[00:07:57] guilty, who lost their lives in the custody of constituted
[00:08:01] authority, there must be answer
[00:08:05] to how and why they died. right, Raymond, quickly,
[00:08:09] can an internal security agency investigation
[00:08:12] uncover the truth when the agency itself held
[00:08:16] the
[00:08:17] deceased,
[00:08:21] i don't think i don't think that should be the standard, this must
[00:08:24] be um any genuine investigation into
[00:08:28] what happened must be
[00:08:30] by totally independent body
[00:08:34] body so that is around
[00:08:36] of course you cannot be a judge in your own cause you cannot be
[00:08:39] accused. so
[00:08:43] investigate to what happened, so for you how to get the confidence, the public confidence in
[00:08:47] the outcome, you know,
[00:08:48] it is,
[00:08:49] it is,
[00:08:49] it is more ideal for an independent
[00:08:53] body to conduct and you make necessary
[00:08:56] recommendation. all right, quickly, uh, I
[00:09:00] understand that this is really getting out of hand, do you suspect any f
[00:09:03] play, only a proper medical
[00:09:06] evaluation,
[00:09:07] you know, a forensic pathologic
[00:09:11] examination will... mean the cause of death because medical
[00:09:14] science is uh so advanced that that is the only conclusive
[00:09:18] way of proving whether there was a cover, maybe you
[00:09:22] can allude to some form of
[00:09:25] high negligence, because if people are
[00:09:29] complaining of lack of you know uh oxygen
[00:09:32] or that they are being suffocated, and the people
[00:09:36] who are keeping them in custody are not responding, it's a high
[00:09:40] degree of negligence which may... rise to the point of a
[00:09:44] criminal uh, criminal act. now, I must take
[00:09:48] you up on this quickly, what immediate reforms uh, are necessary
[00:09:52] to ensure that enforcement operations protect
[00:09:55] Nigeria's mineral resources without putting the lives and
[00:09:59] dignity of citizens at risk? first of
[00:10:03] all, the resources
[00:10:06] the people of this country
[00:10:10] should be in the hands the communities.
[00:10:13] that have those god given resources in their
[00:10:16] areas, making mineral
[00:10:19] resources item for the exclusive legislative
[00:10:23] list making the federal government, the soul authority
[00:10:27] on the gold in my ancestral
[00:10:30] land, the oil at my backyard,
[00:10:34] the diamond
[00:10:35] you know under the tree in my orchard, you know smacks of
[00:10:39] injustice because when the resources are actually
[00:10:42] you know explored, the benefit to the
[00:10:46] people where the resources are obtained
[00:10:49] you know is very minimal, okay also the
[00:10:53] scramble in this poverty
[00:10:57] the indigens of area who have
[00:11:00] no adequate or substantial interest
[00:11:03] in what is within their locality leads to this kind of
[00:11:07] situation so that we need to move
[00:11:11] away from the centralized system of
[00:11:14] exploitation and exploration of resources and make
[00:11:18] those in whose backyard these resources are
[00:11:21] found stakeholders and beneficiaries of this.
[00:11:25] scramble would be less, the illegality being committed, which led
[00:11:28] to this deaths would be avoided. All right, and
[00:11:32] let's move to our next conversation. President Bolatinu has welcomed Nigeria's
[00:11:36] victory over Sunrise power and transmission company at the
[00:11:39] International Chamber of Commerce Arbitration Tribunal in Paris. The
[00:11:43] tribunal rejected Sunrise Power's claims and order the company to
[00:11:47] reimburs Nigeria about 11.8 million dollars in legal
[00:11:51] cost. The president commended Nigeria's legal team for defending.
[00:11:55] the country's interest uh bly quickly we
[00:11:58] unders with this surprise uh you know
[00:12:02] outcome uh the president says the ruling removes the biggest legal
[00:12:06] obstacle to the mambela hydroelectric power
[00:12:09] project uh so what happens next? what happens next
[00:12:13] is that this ruling clears the way for Nigeria
[00:12:17] to properly superintend and take care of his interest in that
[00:12:21] project, the legal technicalities, the contractual technical...
[00:12:25] by this ruling have been done away with, so the federal government can
[00:12:29] decide to engage another contractor,
[00:12:33] can can decide to be a stakeholder in contributing
[00:12:36] financially to the project or and not be
[00:12:40] burdened with the legal
[00:12:43] implication of deal or contract
[00:12:47] gone wrong, so with this ruling
[00:12:50] Nigeria has a free hand to move forward with
[00:12:54] that. All right, Raymond, quickly, I know this is your territory,
[00:12:58] yeah, now the tribunal rejected
[00:13:02] uh uh Sunrises claim for 400 million and ordered it to
[00:13:06] reimburse Nigeria about 11.8 million illegal
[00:13:09] fees. What does this tell us about uh the strength of
[00:13:12] Nigeria's defense before the
[00:13:14] ICC?
[00:13:18] Well,
[00:13:19] without a doubt,
[00:13:20] it speaks to um the quality of legal representation
[00:13:24] that this action. uh receive from the Nigerian legal
[00:13:27] perspective, even though I have not seen the um the
[00:13:31] the award, what you've heard from news report, it appears
[00:13:35] uh one the arbitrators even inducted the former
[00:13:39] minister or
[00:13:41] justice Malami S,
[00:13:44] and I think he was found to have a man of speaking played from
[00:13:48] both sides of the court and even even and almost even you know
[00:13:52] um taking sides against Nigeria.
[00:13:56] but to the extent that this whole process came to fion under
[00:13:59] the comments
[00:14:03] general very very very very
[00:14:07] distinguish,
[00:14:12] it's not totally surprising
[00:14:14] that around,
[00:14:17] so it's a big win for a big way for Nigeria,
[00:14:20] and heard my friend the studio saying per the
[00:14:24] government appoint another contractor, actually there is a waiting
[00:14:28] contractor on the project already, there is a
[00:14:31] Chinese, the Chinese exam bank already had the financing
[00:14:35] to to proceed before this proceedings, stored that
[00:14:38] process, so with this legal out the way
[00:14:41] expect the the the project to come on
[00:14:45] full stream and it has the prospect of adding 3,896
[00:14:49] megaw to the national grade,
[00:14:51] it's a big is very very big project so consequential to Nigerias a
[00:15:02] how much responsibility should be attached to the officials and
[00:15:06] processes that allow the mambialla dispute to drag on for more than two
[00:15:10] decades? Unfortunately, legal
[00:15:13] issues, exhaust what you call the due
[00:15:16] process, I'm not saying that
[00:15:20] the length or extent to which it has dragged is
[00:15:24] legally justified. bible, but in ensuring that
[00:15:28] justice is done, all the parties that are involved in the
[00:15:31] dispute would have been given ample time, and technicalities
[00:15:35] would have been overcome to ensure. that when a final ruling
[00:15:38] comes uh you know it is actually final and
[00:15:42] there will be no recourse to any other interlocutory
[00:15:46] proceedings and the finality the proceedings will be guaranteed
[00:15:50] so I'm sure that as matter of due
[00:15:53] process uh evidence was received uh
[00:15:57] arguments were conversed uh witnesses were brought
[00:16:00] in uh documents were tendered and you know
[00:16:04] it's cross administration type of
[00:16:07] dispute which started with one administration, moved into another
[00:16:11] one and eventually into this administration, so
[00:16:14] cooperation of all the officials in the relevant
[00:16:18] ministries, including ministry of justice, those in the power
[00:16:21] sector, the engineers, lot went into it, I
[00:16:25] expect, and I'm sure that's the reason why
[00:16:28] you know it took a lot of time, and and I think without any
[00:16:32] any fear of any further
[00:16:36] litigation, this should be... or put an end
[00:16:38] to uh to to the whole saga. All right, Raymond,
[00:16:42] quickly, now the perhaps the biggest question now here is after winning the
[00:16:46] application, can the federal government turn the mambialla
[00:16:49] victory into actual electricity for Nigerians from your
[00:16:53] standpoint? Yeah, absolutely, and like I was saying
[00:16:57] before I had the audio issues, I had
[00:16:59] said, the before this matter went for arbitration
[00:17:03] effectively, the the contract had been awarded to different
[00:17:06] Chinese. company and in fact the chinese
[00:17:10] export import bank had a 85%
[00:17:14] financing on the project, but due to this dispute, they could not
[00:17:18] proceed pending the outcome, so with this litigation out the
[00:17:22] way, what is expected is that the necessary financing from
[00:17:26] the Chinese exam bank will
[00:17:27] be brought to bear, the project had the prospect of adding
[00:17:31] 3,896 megw to the national grade, so it is
[00:17:35] very, very consequential to Nigeria's economy. and we hope
[00:17:39] that in the weeks and months and years ahead the project will come on
[00:17:42] stream and the prospects the the
[00:17:46] mandilla hydropilot project will come to fusion. all right, thank you very much. well let's
[00:17:50] go a quick break and of course news we continues shortly. stay
[00:17:53] tuned.
[00:18:08] Welcome back, governors on the platform the all progresses congress have distanced themselves
[00:18:12] from the rainbow coalition associated with FCT minister in
[00:18:16] wiike, the governor say they have no formal alliance with week or opposition
[00:18:20] parties ahead the 2027 elections, the position comes at mid
[00:18:24] efforts to build a broader political coalition around
[00:18:27] President Bolatubo. Raymond Quickly is weekis rainbow
[00:18:31] collision actually a threat to the APC structure
[00:18:35] or uh...
[00:18:38] exactly, what exactly are the governor simply drawing a line between supporting
[00:18:42] and protecting their own party candidate? all
[00:18:46] right, thank you very much. honestly, I'm not, I have to be very frank with you, when I
[00:18:50] watched the press conference by the progressive governors forum, I
[00:18:54] could not understand what the force is about, if anything, I would
[00:18:57] think this is even a good problem to have, you know, at
[00:19:01] the end the day, both sides are working towards a common end, which
[00:19:05] is uh, delivering or... returning or reelecting
[00:19:09] president so uh Mr. Wike has never
[00:19:12] been,
[00:19:13] he has not, he has never means what about his support for
[00:19:17] president,
[00:19:18] you know, so if he's not if he's not if if his rainbow
[00:19:21] coalition is not trying to support different
[00:19:25] presidential candidate, I don't know why the progressive governors
[00:19:28] governors
[00:19:29] are are jittering, I think they should consolidate forces and
[00:19:33] you work towards what is clearly.
[00:19:37] at
[00:19:37] the at the river state at the local at the subnational level, yes minister
[00:19:41] wike has feuded candidates
[00:19:45] in the for the PDP, but at the national level he is very clear
[00:19:49] that the goal is to deliver the president and the
[00:19:52] progressive, i think they should just make a convergence and work
[00:19:56] towards, so i think
[00:19:57] is just needless term. all right, now b, i
[00:20:01] see, we could we case cross party mobilization
[00:20:05] actually strengthening tin presidential campaign? while
[00:20:08] weakening APC candidates in the same state,
[00:20:12] obviously, and that is what the governors are kicking
[00:20:15] against, okay, wike is a PDP party
[00:20:19] member an APC government, who has
[00:20:23] express his desire to form a coalition to
[00:20:26] broden support for the president, the governor see it on
[00:20:30] the contrary as a strategy for political
[00:20:34] infiltration, once you allow that structure,
[00:20:38] to fuse, merge or dilute
[00:20:42] the APC structure on the ground, the governors are
[00:20:45] afraid that this so-called
[00:20:49] rainbow. nation may evolve into
[00:20:53] some kind of political
[00:20:56] structure that may take power, okay, are you ins from
[00:21:00] them in their states? are you insinuating that wik is trying to use the
[00:21:04] coalition to get a bargaining cheap
[00:21:08] for his own ambition? he is actually,
[00:21:11] in my humble opinion, and probably the
[00:21:15] perspective the APC governors trying to lay
[00:21:18] foundation for. federing his own political nest
[00:21:22] and seasing or infiltrating their own
[00:21:26] political structures in the states the APC
[00:21:30] governors. are you saying the the are you saying the president is not aware of this
[00:21:33] strategy? the president should be concerned
[00:21:36] mainly with being reelected, so that
[00:21:40] is the president's priority. the underlying political
[00:21:44] drama or game may not be the president's
[00:21:47] priority even though. "the president is master
[00:21:51] strategist who can read the top game
[00:21:55] and the bottom game. all right, Raymond, quickly now, uh,
[00:21:58] wik has argued that a governor's political influence should
[00:22:02] ultimately be measured by the votes delivered to the president. now do
[00:22:06] APC governors have different definition of political loyalty
[00:22:09] from your standpoint
[00:22:10] quickly? I don't think they
[00:22:14] have different uh definition of political loyalty, I think is
[00:22:18] just, I think it's just the..." G3 about the week
[00:22:22] factor,
[00:22:24] how he he can op times, but I have to be very, very clear,
[00:22:28] minister Wiki has not asked anybody to campaign against any APC
[00:22:32] candidate at the state level, if he had done that, if you had shown
[00:22:35] tendencis in that regard, then the fears the or the consents the
[00:22:39] the progressive governors might be justified, he remains very
[00:22:43] very unequivocal that he's committed to the
[00:22:46] returning Mr. President, so that he can continue to retain his seat. the minister
[00:22:50] the federal capital territory, so again, I think is just as someone
[00:22:54] described it, it's just two legs of one body, one leg is
[00:22:58] the progressive governor and the
[00:23:00] APC, why the other leg are the
[00:23:03] les the coalition or any other person who Mr. Wink is able to
[00:23:07] governize towards delivering Mr. President at, so
[00:23:21] could this dispute become a bigger problem for the APC if
[00:23:24] politicians begin supporting to
[00:23:26] at the presidential level, but back in different parties below the
[00:23:30] presidential ballot? it could be a problem, okay, it could be
[00:23:33] very, very serious problem, but I don't see the
[00:23:37] problem being allowed to fester for too long, long, okay, I
[00:23:41] think that once the the mandate the president is
[00:23:45] secured, the necessary adjustment and
[00:23:48] amendments to... will campaign structure will
[00:23:51] follow, and so
[00:23:53] that will mitigate any tendency for any harm
[00:23:56] coming to the other elections. All right, Raymond, I'm not trying to put you on the sport
[00:24:00] here, but uh, your final take on this, is the rainbow coalision
[00:24:04] becoming an alternative political structure, or is it
[00:24:07] simply a network of politicians united by
[00:24:11] support for president Bolatinoubu? You could have
[00:24:15] put it any better, absolutely the latter,
[00:24:18] absolutely. self life is by
[00:24:22] the e by the by the by by the end the presidential election is
[00:24:25] chef life will come to an
[00:24:26] end
[00:24:31] all right then it appears we just have to go but bola before i go
[00:24:35] quickly um it's looking quite dicey from your point
[00:24:39] of view with way you have actually assessed the situation that there's a possibility that
[00:24:43] the APC governors have certain fears because is it that the
[00:24:46] stature the personality of wiki is? problem
[00:24:50] now or the party itself that he's forming,
[00:24:54] the coalition that he's coming up with, is it the coalition or the
[00:24:58] personality is that they have a problem with? the suspicion of his real
[00:25:02] intention is the problem, i think that he is a
[00:25:05] consumate politician and understands the game, understands the
[00:25:09] game and has been effective in working for the
[00:25:12] president's mandate and delivering
[00:25:16] uh to the president what he has promised to deliver he is. a
[00:25:20] PDP party man with one leg in the PDP and one
[00:25:24] leg in the APC, okay? It gives lot of concern, and when
[00:25:28] you especially want to form a coalition.
[00:25:32] All right, Raymond, quickly, in 10 seconds, what's your final take before we
[00:25:36] go tonight? Yeah, my final take is that the
[00:25:39] progressive governor forum should not uh, they should they should not worry about a
[00:25:43] good problem, I think is a good have, because at the end the day
[00:25:47] is going to be get towards the... outcome which
[00:25:51] is delivering mr president so it's a good problem to have thank you very
[00:25:55] much for coming on the show tonight is always a pleasure talking to you thank you very much raymond
[00:25:58] appreciate you grateful all right Barney,
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