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[00:00:00] secure
[00:00:00] of reelection by strengthening allies who may work
[00:00:04] against the
[00:00:05] of party beneath him,
[00:00:06] of so is wicked bringing president's votes the
[00:00:10] APC cannot secure its own or building a political
[00:00:14] machine that could fracture the president's strongest
[00:00:17] electoral structure. can President Tinubo accommodate both
[00:00:21] camps without allowing their rivalry to become a
[00:00:25] threat to reelection. my guest is member
[00:00:29] of the house of representative from kanosit, honorable
[00:00:32] Abdul Jubin Momuni, how are you sir? I'm fine,
[00:00:36] I'm fine, and you very well, so let's just quickly
[00:00:40] listen
[00:00:41] in to what the chairman
[00:00:42] of the governor's forum, PDP progressive governors forum said about this
[00:00:46] rainbow coalition, the forum
[00:00:50] unanimously resolved that its members will not
[00:00:53] participate in support or
[00:00:57] endorse any alliance or political
[00:01:00] arrangement
[00:01:02] of capable of undermining the reelection of Mr. President,
[00:01:05] weakening the APC or adversely
[00:01:09] me affecting any candidate
[00:01:10] of the party at all level. In other words, the forum
[00:01:14] have no intention to support any candidate any
[00:01:18] level that is not an APC candidate, because the
[00:01:21] elections and our candidates
[00:01:24] of are standing election as been sponsored by our
[00:01:27] party.
[00:01:31] Okay, honorable, let's look at the pushback
[00:01:35] of by the APC governors against the rainbow coalition of
[00:01:38] wik, this is like novel, this is the first time I'm seen this kind of coalition,
[00:01:42] this is not a marria,
[00:01:44] of this is not
[00:01:44] of an of alliance, but something that is maybe within the south
[00:01:48] south part of Nigeria, and it's
[00:01:51] of now snowballing into other parts of Nigeria, we've seen that some
[00:01:54] agrieved members
[00:01:56] of the APC, of APC particularly. they
[00:02:00] are now
[00:02:00] of gravitating or they've gravitated towards the wicky tendency of
[00:02:04] r coalition and is like a sanctuary to them
[00:02:08] that's a win win for b, but two weeks
[00:02:11] after that we are meant to have the governorship election, it might have
[00:02:15] kind
[00:02:16] of of backlash against this governors, please explain this
[00:02:20] coalition to me, well i
[00:02:23] believe as you've mentioned, first
[00:02:27] let me make it very
[00:02:29] of clear. uh, I'm not against the
[00:02:32] of
[00:02:32] of governors, I hold them in high
[00:02:36] esteim, a couple
[00:02:37] of them are my friends
[00:02:41] of and uh, particularly my own governor, we have very, very good
[00:02:45] uh relationship, but for me, as I have
[00:02:48] repeatedly said, anything that I
[00:02:52] discover that can affect uh, the
[00:02:55] path to the victory
[00:02:57] of the president, I will always make my intervention
[00:03:00] without minding who's ox is
[00:03:03] of of god uh for me the rainbow coalition has
[00:03:07] no any negative effective
[00:03:11] on the president on the president on one
[00:03:15] of hand not the governors on the other hand on the
[00:03:18] governors if they perceive that the
[00:03:22] rainbow callliation will affect them what you need to
[00:03:26] do is to negotiate with wiki tell you
[00:03:30] something for the governors to say it might
[00:03:34] affect them in the election after two
[00:03:37] weeks, it means that they are recognizing the fact that wike is
[00:03:41] of strong, wike is very strong, so in
[00:03:44] politics if you have somebody and you're conceding that
[00:03:48] this person has the capacity even produce members
[00:03:51] of the house of representatives if the rainbow coalition goes ahead and
[00:03:55] even
[00:03:55] of affects the governorship election, so
[00:03:58] of what do you do is? is it to fight him or is it to
[00:04:02] negotiate with him
[00:04:03] and this man everybody knows him, as tough as he is,
[00:04:07] he's
[00:04:09] a a deal maker, so I do not see why the
[00:04:13] i i want to choose my words carefully, but
[00:04:16] I believe that uh the governors were too
[00:04:20] of hard of uh, the the modus operante shouldn't have
[00:04:24] been like that, they should have been conversation
[00:04:26] behind uh the the scene. This is
[00:04:30] point where we need more Wiki. I tell you
[00:04:34] something, do
[00:04:35] of you know that if Wiiki were not to be working with
[00:04:39] APC today, he would have been able to form the same rainbow
[00:04:42] collation for the opposition. So the opposition
[00:04:46] today, what they are missing, their missing link is a
[00:04:49] wiki, so it's not all the time you have a wiki, and I keep
[00:04:53] telling people, we need more weak case in
[00:04:57] APC, but this are trying to say. is either you are in or you're
[00:05:01] out that you are not a member of APC, well what the
[00:05:05] meaning of rainbow coalition? well, anybody
[00:05:07] is the first time we having such a funny arrangement?
[00:05:10] any anybody anybody? "who holds that kind of
[00:05:13] opinion, I do not think he has a complete interest
[00:05:17] the president at heart, because
[00:05:21] I tell you this, if
[00:05:24] today you ask me that should
[00:05:28] weak come into APC, I would say no, because because
[00:05:32] APC needs him better outside than inside
[00:05:35] APC, to be destroyer, other parties, no, you
[00:05:39] can't call him a destroyer, politics is about the roof. politics is
[00:05:43] about interest, you can use any kind of language, but I do not
[00:05:47] agree with it, politics is about interests and
[00:05:51] his interest was affected, and he believes that his interest will be pro
[00:05:54] would be will be will be protected or better served, and was just
[00:05:58] walking in alliance, he is just walking in
[00:06:02] alliance with APC, but for people who are fighting him,
[00:06:06] we look at him as a as destroyer, after all, if
[00:06:10] they had an edge, they would have done the same thing. to uh to him,
[00:06:14] so me, I believe that uh, Wiki is somebody you can
[00:06:17] manage, you understand his kind of a person, he's not a
[00:06:21] person that you will slap, he will slap him and you expect that he will not
[00:06:25] retaliate, and by the time you slap somebody, you cannot tell him
[00:06:28] how he should uh respond, I i don't want to
[00:06:32] go into the exchange that they've had, but I want to
[00:06:35] focus are looking beyond,
[00:06:39] you know, beyond river states, yes. and look,
[00:06:43] this thing is now taking to some part,
[00:06:47] some some part
[00:06:47] the north, some part
[00:06:49] of north central, than the governor, the chairman of governor's forum is complaining
[00:06:52] bitterly that you are interfering into my interp
[00:06:56] party problem, isn't that telling you
[00:07:00] how sophisticated wike is and the need
[00:07:03] to have a conversation with with him,
[00:07:07] the people who make office and the people who office
[00:07:10] makes them, the president has proven he's one of such persons that it is
[00:07:14] not an office that makes him, so president, whether he's in office or
[00:07:18] he's not in office, he maintains his relevance, that's how people like wiki
[00:07:22] are, if the governors are saying that wiki has set up something that
[00:07:26] is becoming like a wild fire, it shows that
[00:07:30] the man is is strong, is sophisticated, so what you need
[00:07:34] to do, most especially that he is working with your
[00:07:38] party is for us to go into discussions with
[00:07:41] him. "and if if they are not able to reach
[00:07:45] some kind of understanding at individual level of various
[00:07:49] states, then they can employ the the
[00:07:52] service the president to come in and broker and broker peace, but I
[00:07:56] believe that individual states can
[00:08:00] have a conversation, but if you look at it from the point of view of saying,
[00:08:04] "I'm too big to sit with Wiki, or who is wiky for me to sit
[00:08:08] with and have a, I think it's a wrong approach, the bigger thing that we want."
[00:08:12] that the bigger pie is the presidential uh election,
[00:08:16] so for me the priority is the president, we also want the
[00:08:20] governors, we also one national assembly members,
[00:08:23] but
[00:08:25] yeah my my the issue
[00:08:29] is that uh the governor was saying they cannot defeat wik's
[00:08:32] candidates, let's go, first election, we will win our
[00:08:36] election, win the president election, second election, defeat with
[00:08:40] candidate if he's not strong, but if believe that wik is strong, my
[00:08:44] advice is that negotiate with Wiki.
[00:08:48] I had somebody, somebody institution, just one
[00:08:52] point, just one point, I had somebody said, no, no, no, no, Wiki is doing the rainbow
[00:08:56] collation because of
[00:08:58] 20 31 and
[00:09:01] whatsoever, what is wrong in having an ambition, but Wiki has
[00:09:05] made it clear that I have, even if I'm going to have ambition,
[00:09:09] will be whenever leave. gives
[00:09:13] power, so what is wrong? so I believe the man has
[00:09:17] given, given, given, given to APC, if he
[00:09:21] decides to hold something for himself, I believe that what we need to do
[00:09:24] as a party APC is to sit with Wiki and have a
[00:09:28] conversation with him and see how we will be able to
[00:09:31] manage everything that is going on, but I believe that we
[00:09:35] need the rainbow collation, if you know what is happening at the level
[00:09:39] of every states, the governors are...
[00:09:53] and and the rest, but if in case the issue
[00:09:57] of rainbow collation comes off in Kanu, I will advise my governor that
[00:10:01] let's have a conversation with Wiki because he
[00:10:04] has a firm grip over that. One last thing I
[00:10:08] wanted to say is that the governor.
[00:10:12] also thank wiki, thank wiki, yes, do you know
[00:10:16] that if wiki hadn't played the role he
[00:10:20] played coming into government of national
[00:10:23] unity, the... in point the opposition would have been
[00:10:27] PDP, there would have been heavy fireworks by now in every
[00:10:31] state, so that is why I made a statement few days ago
[00:10:34] and I said no member and I repeated the statement,
[00:10:38] no member of APC that has not directly or
[00:10:41] indirectly benefited from Wiki. a couple of
[00:10:45] governors who are my friends called me that why will you make that statement withdraw it, I
[00:10:49] said look, let me prove it to you, Wiki help us to get the
[00:10:53] presidency today, we're getting allocations in states
[00:10:57] and everything and the rest, even after the elections, do you
[00:11:00] know the role that wiki has played to help the government
[00:11:04] till date a lot of addition to his performance in fct? okay, as we are
[00:11:08] reaching looking at the alliance between
[00:11:12] the the as in the last minute talk between NDC
[00:11:16] and the ADC and some other opposition party SDP
[00:11:19] that if this works that this might be a big problem
[00:11:23] for the APC. that if one the
[00:11:27] big two that article decide to step
[00:11:31] down and work together,
[00:11:34] always like to go to war with uh multiple
[00:11:38] bullets, so and for APC and for the president
[00:11:42] in particular, I know that we have a plan a, plan
[00:11:46] b, plan c, plan, in fact in the case the president,
[00:11:50] he has a plan A to plan z, that is how
[00:11:53] president operates now
[00:11:57] let's take it for granted, i personally, if you ask
[00:12:01] me to do an analysis, i will tell you that it is practically
[00:12:05] impossible for them to come together, because i know the mindset of some
[00:12:09] the principal actors i'm quite close with
[00:12:11] with a couple of uh with a couple
[00:12:15] of uh with a couple them uh, but
[00:12:18] secondly take it assuming but not considering
[00:12:21] that they will come uh together, the... will not be able to
[00:12:25] defeat president uh, tell you this, but they won't even be able
[00:12:29] to come together, that's it, they can't, you can see it very clearly, it's not possible, so
[00:12:33] if the their inabilities to come together makes it more
[00:12:36] difficult, absolutely, very, very, very difficult,
[00:12:40] and they've lost the mallege of time, they've lost
[00:12:44] so much along along the way, let's look at
[00:12:47] s
[00:12:48] and you see, keep saying it, one key person that is
[00:12:52] missing in the opposition is some body like Wiki and you
[00:12:56] don't have the you don't have plenty them, people
[00:12:58] need to understand this, everybody has the kind of blessing that God has given him, the qualities
[00:13:02] that God has given him, you will not have plenty of
[00:13:06] Wiki. I put a bet with you that if Wiki were to be in the
[00:13:10] opposition, they would have been a rainbow collation, so we should thank
[00:13:14] God that today we have a wiki who is having a rainbow
[00:13:17] collation and is working with, so the governor should not discourage
[00:13:21] him, I'm pleading to them, you know the governors are...
[00:13:25] "they are my fathers, they are my senior brothers, even though some them are my
[00:13:28] friends, we respect them, we love them so much,
[00:13:32] they doing a lot of work that we're using now to campaign for themselves
[00:13:36] and to campaign for the president, but what i'm telling the governors is that
[00:13:40] don't fight wiky, we need more wiki,
[00:13:43] negotiate with wiki, don't go public to embarrass wik, it's
[00:13:47] not necessary, if you say wike can cause you to lose certain
[00:13:51] things, it means wike is strong, so what you need to do?" "
[00:13:55] is to have a conversation with him, what do you want him to do? please
[00:13:58] just tell me what do you want we to do? okay, in this kind of situation now, the
[00:14:02] president is like a catch situation for the president, that both them are
[00:14:06] fighting for his interest. how can the president interven in this kind of
[00:14:10] situation? since the governor's forum, they are together saying that no,
[00:14:14] we don't recognize this coalition. for me, it's a very, very simple
[00:14:18] uh matter. i don't know the mindset the president, but i have dealt with
[00:14:22] him extensively from closer rain. but uh,
[00:14:26] I wouldn't want to say what I will tell the president, because I intend to also have this
[00:14:30] conversation
[00:14:31] with with the president, but but again, just just to give you a bit of
[00:14:34] tip, a I, I, I, if I am the president, let me rather say, if I
[00:14:38] am the president, not necessary, what I will tell the president, if I am the president,
[00:14:42] I'll bring all them on, I'll bring all them on on
[00:14:46] on board and have a conversation,
[00:14:50] and read the right act, no more public uh
[00:14:54] exchange. 'if you have any fear, come and have the com,
[00:14:58] but we took on those governors first, which you took on those governors first, it
[00:15:02] took on the governor and it took on the emo state governor in his media
[00:15:05] chats, um, you see i don't want to go into and those
[00:15:09] guys,
[00:15:09] you know, might be sort, might be, yes, i don't want to go
[00:15:13] into deeper, deeper issues, but you
[00:15:17] also know that there are certain personalities that have issues
[00:15:21] with themselves and uh, they could use any'.
[00:15:25] platform to foster their own interest. now I'm not
[00:15:29] talking about either wiki or anybody and therest, but they have their issues, but
[00:15:33] another dangerous thing that we need to also understand and give VK
[00:15:36] credit. people are looking at the negative side, they are not looking at the
[00:15:40] positive uh side, the positive side is that in
[00:15:44] some these states where you have, with the exception of places like
[00:15:47] cano, legos where you do not have, you have the governors uh
[00:15:51] without people protesting and and and the rest where you have
[00:15:54] people who disagree with the governors and they were seated
[00:15:58] quietly, believe me as a politician i know what they will do, they will work
[00:16:01] against the party in totality, so what wik has
[00:16:05] done, he has provided a platform for them, and
[00:16:09] because they love the president, they've jumped on those platform. look,
[00:16:13] okay, if the governors are talking, why are all those candidates that are
[00:16:17] joining wiki in rainbow collation, why didn't they go to NDC or
[00:16:20] ADC? they are interested
[00:16:22] in APS, they only have their own
[00:16:26] issues, internal issues with the uh governors, so
[00:16:30] and that
[00:16:30] is why I said the smartest things for the governors to do is to
[00:16:34] go into negotiation with uh
[00:16:37] uh with with with wiki, this
[00:16:40] is not
[00:16:40] the time to embarrass uh wiki, the PDP will never
[00:16:44] agree on this, PDP will not agree, but I will tell you
[00:16:48] something, if we should rewind
[00:16:51] time, believe me, BDP would have given wiki vice
[00:16:55] presidential slot, and we are in that kind of this kind of
[00:16:59] problem, yes and
[00:17:00] it is this kind of period that we are, the same kind of
[00:17:04] period, and I was telling somebody, I i don't think we can't is
[00:17:07] god, wiki is not is the god, it's not, it's not, it's an ordinary human
[00:17:11] being, but I was saying, I was telling somebody that if you push Wiki to
[00:17:15] the wall at this time, and the man gets angry and
[00:17:18] frustrated and decide to go for the brokes, that look, whatever it
[00:17:22] is, look, if you want to push me down, let me just go down, and
[00:17:26] decide to scatter everything, carry the rainbow
[00:17:30] collation to somewhere else, what will you say, what will you
[00:17:34] say, and I want to tell you this, believe me, and i have said it
[00:17:38] before man and god, i don't know
[00:17:41] wiki, i'm only doing a genuine intervention for the
[00:17:45] part for the party and for the president that i love so
[00:17:48] much, i want him to win his election and he's going to win his his
[00:17:52] election, i have met wiki only twice in my life,
[00:17:56] once we met, we went with the chief
[00:17:59] of when he uh campaigning for speakership, we met
[00:18:03] him in reverse, the second after the 2023 election in the house the
[00:18:07] speakers. uh chief of staff again we met accidentally,
[00:18:11] just hello, hello, if wik if i see him
[00:18:14] i know is wiki, but believe me between man
[00:18:18] and god, i have no relationship
[00:18:21] whatsoever with wiki, i
[00:18:25] it is just something that i know, i've been around for a while and i understand this kind
[00:18:29] of delicate situation, the chang in
[00:18:32] 2027, between 2023 to 2027, lot of people will
[00:18:36] tell you that look, the northerners that they are not happy with
[00:18:39] bolatinobo, i don't, you are from kano, the constituence,
[00:18:43] yeah, i don't know what's the feedback they are giving you about the
[00:18:46] government and the presidency of bolatinable,
[00:18:50] i've answered this question repeatedly, repeatedly and i will answer
[00:18:54] it again, the problem we had at the beginning was
[00:18:58] communication gap, some people
[00:19:01] successfully blackmailed the president
[00:19:04] extensively in the north, it was a... case
[00:19:08] of blackmail, the president
[00:19:10] was working for the north, but there was communication gap,
[00:19:14] nobody knew, the president appointed so
[00:19:18] many northerners until when we brought out and started making the comparison,
[00:19:22] railing out all the appointment that he's given to n and the rest, many people do
[00:19:26] not know, then people are supposed to read
[00:19:30] out history to people, how much sacrifice the president had
[00:19:34] made to northerners before northerners even
[00:19:37] around him, all these issues we're not being put forward
[00:19:41] to our people, because of time factor, i will not be able to go into that
[00:19:45] details, but what i'm assuring you is that now people are
[00:19:49] being told they know
[00:19:51] what is going on in power, what
[00:19:53] he is done, what is done in biji, he's completed
[00:19:56] kaduna, he's completed kaduna kado road,
[00:20:00] abuja kaduna is about being completed,
[00:20:02] this is it's going a lot of
[00:20:06] work going, agricultural uh
[00:20:10] sector, he's working so hard to resolve the mambila,
[00:20:14] so many things are going on
[00:20:17] for for the north, in terms of appointment we've taken time to
[00:20:21] explain the balance, they have the south have
[00:20:25] finance has budget, so many things,
[00:20:29] in Karno states, lot of people say the
[00:20:32] peter will be choosing
[00:20:35] your former God.
[00:20:37] Okay,
[00:20:44] your godfather,
[00:20:44] he is still my godfather, he is still my
[00:20:48] boss,
[00:20:49] he is still my. just i love him so
[00:20:52] much, we only have a this uh
[00:20:56] agreement over strategic issues of
[00:21:00] where we should uh head to, that's the only
[00:21:03] thing, otherwise I call him and will continue to hold him in
[00:21:07] higher, selection by Peter
[00:21:10] as his running mates that that is a political masterstroke and that will
[00:21:14] swit the nots, it will swit his vote, it will improve his fortune from what
[00:21:18] he had in 2023. better in 2027,
[00:21:22] he's not on the ballot, kwakwaso, he's not on the
[00:21:26] ballot, kwakwaso is on the ballot, he's
[00:21:28] not a ballot,
[00:21:29] he's a ko tickets, that's Peter, it's a peter, as
[00:21:32] far as we are concerned, it's a peter ob, it's a peter
[00:21:35] ob, is not on the balance, it's a
[00:21:38] presidential, it's a presidential candidate, and we've
[00:21:42] always thought it is going to be a presidential
[00:21:46] candidate, so what we are saying is like just a rubber stand, in my
[00:21:50] in my wild days dream, i've never spoken about konkosu and i don't like
[00:21:54] talking about it, for the respect
[00:21:58] i have for him, but let tell you something, but for the first time let me just
[00:22:02] say one thing, just one little thing, one of my biggest shock
[00:22:06] was accepting to run as
[00:22:09] deputy, deputy to ob knowing fully the
[00:22:12] conversations that we've had with him about uh
[00:22:16] that, but but again about yeah yeah about
[00:22:20] him, about him
[00:22:23] agreeing, i want us to break it
[00:22:26] down,
[00:22:28] you are trying
[00:22:28] to drag, you such journalist, you are trying to
[00:22:32] drag me to say what he said, but that's not the point that i make it, i
[00:22:36] would never say that about, what i am saying, we are talking about now, is this
[00:22:40] difficult, will it be difficult to sell
[00:22:43] 100, 100%
[00:22:47] extremely, look at look at the emphasis mean
[00:22:50] extremely difficult to market will be in the north,
[00:22:54] yes,
[00:22:57] unfortun, unfortunity, unfortunately, unfortunately, konkoso is
[00:23:01] not the one on the ballot, if konkoso were to be the presidential
[00:23:05] candidate and obi the
[00:23:07] run in mate, it would have been a joint, it would have been a
[00:23:10] dycy situation, it have been a dycy
[00:23:13] situation, it, but but but being
[00:23:16] a runing running mate has... make things much
[00:23:20] more uh uh easier, so that's
[00:23:24] it, and that is why you see these issues that you bring it, that
[00:23:28] is why look, APC need to
[00:23:32] embrace rainbow coalition, so for the
[00:23:36] presidential, do you think people will prefer to follow
[00:23:39] APC in Karno, because we know the vote of kano will
[00:23:43] go along way in deciding so much up north and even affects
[00:23:47] everything that happens in the south. do you want to put a bet with
[00:23:51] me? i want
[00:23:52] to put a bet with you today. what is today's
[00:23:55] date? 19th right? today is
[00:23:58] 19th, i right? 19th or 20? 19 or 20th, 19th,
[00:24:02] 19th, 20th, 20th, today is today, today is 20th, sorry,
[00:24:06] i've been traveling to open them, so today is
[00:24:09] 20, k will go apc for the
[00:24:13] president, forget about what you are hearing, all the shout you
[00:24:17] are hearing, forget forget. what you are here, he
[00:24:21] is not on the ballot, so forget, forget it, he's
[00:24:24] influential, he has support, but
[00:24:28] that miscalculation of not being the presidential
[00:24:32] candidate and having to be on, i don't have
[00:24:35] problem with ob, but just the
[00:24:38] reality, aha, so it will be difficult, it's a hard
[00:24:42] cell, it's a hard sell a very, very hard say, we
[00:24:45] have to leave it there, honorable abdul momen, thank you very much, he's the all progressive
[00:24:49] congress from cano state and um we expect
[00:24:53] the minister of f city tomorrow, tomorrow is going to
[00:24:57] be life in on tbc 5 pm, you don't
[00:25:00] miss that, the fct minister before we enter the studio, he just
[00:25:04] confirmed
[00:25:06] to be in this studio tomorrow on journalist hang out by 5
[00:25:09] pm, so thank you so much and he's been doing
[00:25:12] a very good job, my parents have lived in
[00:25:16] abuja for about 40 years i
[00:25:20] we came to Abuja when I was 13, so so I know
[00:25:24] Wiki is one the best thing that has happened to Abuja, but we have that conversation another
[00:25:28] day, all thank you, and that's our offering today, join us next
[00:25:32] week for another edition of politics on
[00:25:35] Sunday, and see you next
[00:25:38] week.
[00:30:43] Okay folks, I greet you, welcome to another program in the series
[00:30:47] journalist hangout on Sunday, I am Citizen Jones
[00:30:51] Usen, now today on the program, NLC labor
[00:30:55] congress demands way awards, paliatives over
[00:30:59] rising fuel.