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[00:00:00] supply in the country, many Nigerians expect the government to treat the
[00:00:04] of mambila hydropower project with almost
[00:00:11] of urgency. b, the story is
[00:00:16] of of yours, yeah, and um, i
[00:00:20] almost died in, in fact
[00:00:22] after i descended into that
[00:00:25] valley, i could barely
[00:00:28] breathe. "it was a police man's water that i
[00:00:32] grabbed, i quickly drank it, wow, you
[00:00:36] know, i we had traged, we got to point
[00:00:40] that the bikes could no longer, because
[00:00:43] it was quite steep, so we could no longer
[00:00:47] um use our bikes, i fell down two times on the bike as
[00:00:51] we were going there, but the cameraman refused to record
[00:00:55] it, but he was inexperienced cameraman,
[00:00:58] of okay, um, uh,
[00:00:59] who
[00:01:00] who who works in tarabad there, so if I had
[00:01:03] gone with cameraman from Lagos, they will have known that this part
[00:01:07] of the story, but he said, why should I be excited that my ogar
[00:01:11] fell and I will now be recording it,
[00:01:13] of he didn't know that, you
[00:01:17] know, they kept changing my
[00:01:19] bike, on the way
[00:01:22] there, that project site, the entire
[00:01:26] project site is more than five times the s of Legos
[00:01:30] State, oh really, yes, it's more
[00:01:34] than five
[00:01:35] of times the size of Lego
[00:01:36] a State because
[00:01:37] of it covers uh, few local governments, not just, I think
[00:01:41] about five local governments, okay,
[00:01:43] now at the peak
[00:01:47] of the raining season, at the peak
[00:01:49] of the raining season,
[00:01:52] that
[00:01:55] of of projects could give
[00:01:56] of us close to 4,00 megaw, but consistently...
[00:02:00] yeah, it will give us 3,500
[00:02:04] megw, it was after I went to this
[00:02:07] of do of this story that the BBC, got
[00:02:11] their
[00:02:12] of me reporter to also go
[00:02:14] of there to file the story, I wanted to make the
[00:02:17] point
[00:02:19] of that we are unserious as a country, this
[00:02:23] is the only way by which you can assess that dam site,
[00:02:26] meanwhile this project had been there, they've been
[00:02:30] talking about things since around 1980, yet no road
[00:02:34] of least to the
[00:02:35] place,
[00:02:39] the other, the other
[00:02:41] place that you can
[00:02:44] use, the other
[00:02:46] of area that you can use to access the place is the
[00:02:50] mararaba area, okay, yeah,
[00:02:52] of so but that
[00:02:56] road has not
[00:02:58] of been uh...
[00:03:01] constructed, i think the former governor constructed it up to point and
[00:03:05] stopped, that was years after i had gone there, they began
[00:03:09] building
[00:03:10] of road through the other side, that's mara about
[00:03:17] of you know um and but as i said
[00:03:20] that's there's no road for
[00:03:24] now, this project has been
[00:03:27] of delayed by a combination of... factors
[00:03:30] including of course this litigation,
[00:03:33] yeah, nobody will be ready to
[00:03:36] go ahead with a project about which
[00:03:40] there is legal, so
[00:03:43] now it has please god to let us
[00:03:48] of win that case, win this case, and
[00:03:52] hopefully we can find the
[00:03:54] funding,
[00:03:56] of because this project will create new s
[00:04:00] Oh yeah, it will really change the landscape. Do you know
[00:04:04] that despite the
[00:04:06] of potential that
[00:04:09] state, to give us up to
[00:04:13] 400 megaws of electricity, they
[00:04:17] are not even connected to the national grid, really?
[00:04:21] Yes, at the time I went there, they
[00:04:25] had not been connected to the national grade, and manbila is such beautiful
[00:04:29] place. 'you think you are you are not in Nigeria, the
[00:04:33] weather is so cool, lot
[00:04:34] of our big people, and you see their cows, their
[00:04:38] cows are f, you think they are they are florida, the are cows from florida
[00:04:41] a lot of our big people they built houses
[00:04:44] there, they built houses there, so occasionally they
[00:04:48] go, even one like not only has house there, he
[00:04:51] had, he has heads of cattle, oh yeah, in that
[00:04:54] place, because you see the man billa
[00:04:58] cartoo only'. you would not think they are Nigerian,
[00:05:02] they are so big, they are so big,
[00:05:05] so I just hope that
[00:05:09] this project that we
[00:05:11] me can. brush this
[00:05:13] legal um battle aside,
[00:05:17] although heard that um leno
[00:05:20] adison is likely to appeal, well i don't
[00:05:24] know if variable will appeal,
[00:05:27] but i just hope that we can um put
[00:05:31] this matter to bed so that they can look in the direction of
[00:05:35] that um project and
[00:05:39] 4,00 megw will give us
[00:05:44] just about what we are getting today, because a consistent
[00:05:48] basis, we are between 3,000 to 4,000
[00:05:51] megah, we hardly get to 5,00 mahs,
[00:05:55] so which means that this project can help us to
[00:05:59] double, yeah, what we are generating
[00:06:03] today, well, I'm
[00:06:06] not an engineer or scientist, but I know
[00:06:10] that Ligos can't uh deal with
[00:06:13] can consume as much as nearly
[00:06:17] 1,00 megw, yeah, so 4,000
[00:06:20] megawatts is enough to power three, four states, if you see what i
[00:06:24] mean, especially in that part the world, we have enough sunshine,
[00:06:28] yeah, so what do we want, even
[00:06:31] now, what is the capacity of nigeria, what do
[00:06:35] we generate all over the country, what
[00:06:39] we are expecting to get out of money. yeah, it's almost the
[00:06:43] same that what what the whole country today nationally, and this
[00:06:47] mambia project, you know, is reflection the history of
[00:06:51] nigeria, of failed promises of an
[00:06:55] overcon concentrated state and
[00:06:59] and dropping the ball, yes of corruption,
[00:07:02] you know, of leadership, the lack of vision, it
[00:07:06] actually started in 1972 under
[00:07:09] gonon, so we are talking about 54 years ago, wow
[00:07:13] and then
[00:07:15] you know in 1982 the shagari government also was supposed to that was
[00:07:19] push and all that but they drop it again and what has what has been
[00:07:22] the major problem
[00:07:24] corruption because when what
[00:07:28] happens in this country is that when people bring a project that
[00:07:32] is supposed to s the interest of everybody yeah some people are behind
[00:07:36] this projet the first thing they think for is what comes to my
[00:07:39] pocket you can see that this has
[00:07:42] exposed the hypocrisy of many of our
[00:07:45] leaders, many them jumping up and down, talking about
[00:07:49] integrity, talking about this, you just discover that these are
[00:07:53] just
[00:07:53] you know leaders of rooks, bukanias, these are these
[00:07:57] are you know economic terrorists who are hiding under all
[00:08:01] sort of pretences, for instance in this
[00:08:04] case you know two things are
[00:08:08] striking, yeah the first one is that the contract
[00:08:12] was illegitimately awarded, the president said former
[00:08:14] president, said look, no minister
[00:08:18] can spend, can approve any project more than
[00:08:22] 25 million, okay, except that is
[00:08:25] approval from f or him as president, this project is about 6
[00:08:29] billion dollars and the president said he was
[00:08:32] not aware yet, but the presidency was aware, the
[00:08:36] president was
[00:08:37] not aware, because the 500
[00:08:40] thousand, million
[00:08:43] dollars that was paid to
[00:08:45] somebody to you know the wife
[00:08:49] of yes this project was paid about more than three
[00:08:53] months before even the the project was approved that means
[00:08:57] that and of course this woman was not an official the
[00:09:00] government but the husband was
[00:09:04] in government in the presidency working on the ground to
[00:09:08] subvert national interest so this
[00:09:13] if you look at that money now in 2000 and in
[00:09:17] 2003 that's about $2 billion
[00:09:20] dollars one individual a serving government
[00:09:23] official and you are jumping up and down talking about
[00:09:26] credibility saying that you want fbi file what about the files that
[00:09:30] have been exposed about you in 2010 the US
[00:09:34] congress this same woman that was inducted $40 million
[00:09:38] dollars was transferred using offshore
[00:09:41] fronts. herself and her husband,
[00:09:44] alibatton corruption is there,
[00:09:47] siemens, so this man is the harrow head of corruption in
[00:09:51] Nigeria, but yes, so desperate to
[00:09:55] condemn people, to attack people, to pretend that is the most
[00:09:58] dignified and most qualified nigerian to lead this country,
[00:10:02] so I hope that, what you know people are
[00:10:06] saying, oh, yes, we have gained, because we can revive the project
[00:10:10] now, okay, but there are a lot of things that are... that we should not
[00:10:14] gloss over yes yeah the company that we are talking about was
[00:10:17] registered in 2001 then in
[00:10:21] 2023 you bedded for a projector that runs it to billion.
[00:10:25] two years experience and somebody government
[00:10:29] in the presidency is behind you to say this project must be given
[00:10:32] to
[00:10:34] you so you see when i read the whole thing i say even even
[00:10:38] the report the the report
[00:10:40] the um tribunal
[00:10:44] also said that the immediate
[00:10:46] past um attorney general of our
[00:10:50] country behaved like somebody
[00:10:54] walking against his own, yeah, country, his
[00:10:57] own country,
[00:10:59] the about man, the uh, that's um, what's his
[00:11:03] name again, so the
[00:11:05] report says that
[00:11:09] he acted like somebody working against his
[00:11:13] own country, so I don't, I
[00:11:17] don't understand
[00:11:19] in the
[00:11:22] the adisonya. It was
[00:11:25] established that money, this money is
[00:11:29] 500 million was
[00:11:32] paid through paid in several
[00:11:36] tranches, yeah to the city bank
[00:11:39] account of Jennifer
[00:11:42] Douglas, the former wife of
[00:11:45] Achikua, you
[00:11:46] know, they were
[00:11:49] married and she was staying in Artiboka's
[00:11:53] Maryland home in the US. in fact she tried to
[00:11:56] sell that article's house, but because
[00:12:00] the investigations going on at that time, the transaction was blocked,
[00:12:04] now um, the tribunal
[00:12:08] said ad did not produced
[00:12:11] documents showing the underlying either
[00:12:15] payment, the exchange rate applied, the
[00:12:18] instructions from article or is eights, correspondence
[00:12:22] concerning the transaction or any record, establishing his
[00:12:26] commercial purpose, adison has said the
[00:12:29] discussions relating to the transaction were
[00:12:32] oral, and that more than two decades
[00:12:35] later, he no longer has access to any the
[00:12:39] written exchanges that might once have
[00:12:42] existed, but b non is saying,
[00:12:46] oh, you, article
[00:12:49] bakka address the allegations
[00:12:52] linking you to: the
[00:12:56] 500 million
[00:12:58] payment made to
[00:13:02] sunrise power in connection with the mambialla because the
[00:13:05] report established a
[00:13:08] nexus between the award the
[00:13:11] contract and this payment that was
[00:13:14] made, it all happened around the same period so they
[00:13:18] could put two and two together to say look this this
[00:13:22] people they knew what they were doing you
[00:13:25] so no one has been able
[00:13:29] to establish something
[00:13:33] concrete, something in the rem of a primer fashi
[00:13:37] case, okay against the former
[00:13:41] number two, yes number two man, but
[00:13:42] at that time it was the person that obason
[00:13:46] entrusted the economy to, in fact he was the one who
[00:13:50] brought um erufai into
[00:13:53] government, okay? Yes, so
[00:13:56] now as far as we are
[00:13:59] concerned, if you
[00:14:03] are
[00:14:04] paying
[00:14:08] lobbyis in the US over
[00:14:12] matter that was decided more than 30 years ago,
[00:14:16] trying to establish that indeed had
[00:14:19] connection with a
[00:14:22] criminal um... drug
[00:14:25] matter despite the fact that all you can lay your
[00:14:29] hands upon is a civil
[00:14:33] for feature and civil
[00:14:34] for feature is not criminal nature,
[00:14:38] even the supreme court of our country has established
[00:14:42] that in in 2023 that
[00:14:45] civil forfisture is not criminal nature, it is not,
[00:14:49] but article and others are still pushing, pushing very
[00:14:53] hard to see whether... latinobu can be disqualified on
[00:14:57] account of that, but in your own case, your
[00:15:00] wife or your former
[00:15:03] wife, they had these payments
[00:15:06] into her
[00:15:07] account,
[00:15:12] you are now saying that they did not come, you are not
[00:15:16] indicted, you are not convicted and yeah, bolatinu was
[00:15:20] not convicted, but you can raise his matter, is
[00:15:24] that same way? that people like people will say,
[00:15:26] okay was right in
[00:15:30] asking you for explanations, because this
[00:15:33] person has at that time was married to you and living in your house.
[00:15:38] what what was the justification for paying to that woman? it's because she's
[00:15:42] the wife the vice president as at that time, they did not divorce until
[00:15:45] 2021, so the as a 2023 they were legally
[00:15:49] married, and in fact when they were having, yeah, 2003,
[00:15:53] so when they were having dispute over, the vice president wanted
[00:15:57] to retrieve our property, mean that must have been
[00:16:00] bought without funds, she was trying to ref those provides back, so there's no
[00:16:04] doubt, of course they could have directly to the vice president. that should be true a
[00:16:08] particular, but the name is carried article Jennifer
[00:16:12] article, so it's it's clear, that is the thing, that was why that link
[00:16:16] is there, no one is saying
[00:16:17] oh article, you receive money, but your wife at that time
[00:16:21] received money until today they've not been able
[00:16:25] to explain what that money was meant
[00:16:28] for, yeah, yeah, what that money, you see in this
[00:16:32] country, people come into government,
[00:16:36] suddenly they become extremely... rich, we do not ask
[00:16:38] questions, we do not ask
[00:16:41] questions, lot of our
[00:16:43] leaders, if we have the culture of asking
[00:16:47] questions, lot of our leaders will be in jail today, and we see it in
[00:16:51] other lands, they jail their formal leaders, oh yeah, even Israel,
[00:16:55] israel jailed one of his former prime minister, so it
[00:16:59] happened, we have to have that culture of asking
[00:17:02] question, you suddenly became rich, and i think that brought up that
[00:17:06] matter,
[00:17:07] we last have week that are that you will love a situation in
[00:17:10] which there are more there are more
[00:17:14] factories in Abuja because if we have more factories they will
[00:17:18] give jobs to people oh yeah
[00:17:20] it will they will help improve our economy he said
[00:17:22] what but is private jets all
[00:17:26] over the place by people owned by
[00:17:30] people who cannot explain the source their the source
[00:17:33] their the wealth that they have essentially because
[00:17:37] as he just said, we don't ask question, yes, they steal from us, they
[00:17:41] steal from us and we don't bother to ask
[00:17:44] questions, we don't borther to ask questions,
[00:17:48] this is lot of
[00:18:24] you are not a
[00:18:27] laborer, because laborer most the time,
[00:18:31] yeah, deserves more than his
[00:18:34] wages, in terms the physical extion. that goes
[00:18:38] into the work that he does, but there are people wear tie, they
[00:18:42] just use their brain, they use their brain and they do transactions
[00:18:46] that bring millions, by the stroke the pen, yeah,
[00:18:49] you can do a transaction that will end you millions, that is even
[00:18:53] legitimate, but lot the people that we are talking about, they don't do
[00:18:57] legitimate, they just steal
[00:19:00] in your face tealing, somebody was accused the other day of
[00:19:04] taking money from the president, money that I didn't. clear to anybody
[00:19:08] didn't he didn't say that oh i went to the president he gave me so so money for the
[00:19:12] state he took someone to to to to come and say
[00:19:15] that this was what happened the whole world would not have known
[00:19:19] yeah this is what happened is is the
[00:19:22] system permit somebody to be a school
[00:19:26] teacher some months ago and suddenly become a
[00:19:30] billionaire he he blows as music
[00:19:33] that's that's the lingo of musicians you know so...
[00:19:38] I just pray that in the fullness
[00:19:42] of time this project yeah will be able
[00:19:46] to to kick up because our generating
[00:19:50] capacity will improve and then
[00:19:54] the transmission capacity to hopefully as they continue to invest
[00:19:57] in new equipment because lot of those transmission lines are more than
[00:20:01] 40 years old so as you continue to invest our
[00:20:04] transmission capacity to will. because the
[00:20:08] truth is that our generating
[00:20:12] capacity is in excess of 10,00
[00:20:15] mahs, but we cannot
[00:20:19] transmit even up to 600 mahz as we
[00:20:22] speak with never reach because uh those
[00:20:26] uh lines can take transmission they can't take
[00:20:29] more than lead to system collaps
[00:20:33] if we try it in fact if we try to do 5
[00:20:37] eight something we can succeed the next day you will see
[00:20:41] system failure willy, but
[00:20:43] I would have thought that late President Buhari who
[00:20:47] removed the electricity generation and and all
[00:20:50] that from the exclusive to the concurrent had
[00:20:54] made it easier, yeah, um, we can see
[00:20:58] the gains, some states are
[00:21:01] you know coming up gradually, it's not going to be automatic, but i think it's
[00:21:05] a very good start, and the mambiating we are talking about, it's not just for
[00:21:09] electricity, it's also for agriculture, okay, is the home
[00:21:12] for irrigation and all that of temperate
[00:21:16] avocado, apples, temperate,
[00:21:20] lettuce, coffee, it's like he has been
[00:21:24] there
[00:21:24] - place
[00:21:28] you know is the same mountain range from that place that goes all the
[00:21:32] way to obodu, oh really, yeah, it's the same mountain range,
[00:21:36] you know, and the weather is literally the same, although Mambia is
[00:21:39] colder than the mountain top of
[00:21:43] ubudu, okay, now that's the only place where you can grow tea in our
[00:21:46] country, yeah, there is the home the highland tea, I
[00:21:50] remember so is is is beautiful
[00:21:54] place that if you visit it for the first time you want to
[00:21:58] go back there you want to go back there
[00:22:01] okay then um let the debate continue in your
[00:22:05] part of town but uh no
[00:22:09] as far as we have broached it that the
[00:22:12] mambia uh plateau electricity
[00:22:16] project is one in waiting and If
[00:22:20] we get it right, perhaps our dark days
[00:22:24] regarding power would have been behind
[00:22:27] us. Okay, shall we breach the next
[00:22:31] story then? You know, political expediency
[00:22:35] means choosing action that's convenient or
[00:22:38] useful. In politics proper, it
[00:22:41] is a quick fix, if you ask me. The legal state chapter
[00:22:45] the all progressives congress, APC, had directed all
[00:22:49] it. candidate to remain in the country until the
[00:22:52] conclusion the 2027 elections. the
[00:22:56] streets chairman the party Cornelius Ojellabi issued the
[00:23:00] directive at the inauguration the Tinubu Hamzad campaign
[00:23:04] council at the party's secretariat here in Nikeja.
[00:23:07] Meanwhile, the director general the campaign Organization, Musulio
[00:23:11] Abanikoro has urged all party members to close
[00:23:14] ranks, maintain unity and remain loyal as
[00:23:18] campaigns have officially taken off. um
[00:23:21] while um, it's all hands on
[00:23:25] deck, yeah, I think there is a reason the
[00:23:28] APC took that
[00:23:31] decision, because it's not good for you to take
[00:23:35] anything for granted, oh yeah, don't assume
[00:23:38] that, oh, we have done everything, we have been in
[00:23:42] power, our political trend has been in passing, so we are home and dry,
[00:23:46] so we can, I, I think what happened in 2020.
[00:23:50] th is very good lesson, the APC was a bit
[00:23:54] relaxed, i just felt that look we
[00:23:57] have been winning, so there's
[00:23:58] no reason why we won't win, we not win there, if they have not
[00:24:01] increased the temple of campaign,
[00:24:05] the rally could have lost the government election, even though the candidate contest at that
[00:24:09] time was not known, was not popular,
[00:24:12] you know, so i think you also saw what happened in osum
[00:24:15] state, i think part the reasons why the APC loss
[00:24:19] was that? the APC was lay
[00:24:21] back, what is
[00:24:24] campaign? when you are talking about political campaign, it's not just about
[00:24:28] holding rallies, okay? it's not just about entertainment, dancing,
[00:24:32] bringing musician, you need to reach out to the
[00:24:35] people. look at what happened in in
[00:24:37] the kit state this last election, it has ever happened in the history of that, the
[00:24:41] gap, 380, go and
[00:24:45] see what the APC did in that state for
[00:24:49] months. they had what they call door to door campaign,
[00:24:53] they are what they call the APC street to street campaign,
[00:24:56] they were appealing to non party members, in fact
[00:24:59] there was an organisation
[00:25:01] called southwest independent campaign group talking
[00:25:05] to people with pampletes address to community, pampletes
[00:25:09] address to community from one area to the other talking to our people
[00:25:12] engaging them in the market places so and
[00:25:15] you could see the outcome 380
[00:25:18] versus Yeah, so if the APC thinks
[00:25:22] that oh uh we are going to win, they will be
[00:25:26] shocked, so if they don't campaign and just assume that we
[00:25:30] are there, big brother, they will be embarrassed, so I think that
[00:25:33] decision that was that have been taken is very good one, and I
[00:25:37] think for all the parties, this is the time for you to go out and meet
[00:25:41] the people, it's not just apc commissioners and house of
[00:25:45] assembly members even ministers, some ministers think oh, I'm not a
[00:25:49] politician. you are not a politician but you got there because of
[00:25:52] politics, some have not visited their villages and towns for the
[00:25:56] past two years, three years, they are not engaging
[00:25:59] people, see let tell you something. happened in
[00:26:03] 2019 all right, the vice former vice
[00:26:06] president professor chibajo, invited
[00:26:10] all the groups in the southwest about 65 them, every
[00:26:14] group that matter, mechanical station, artisants, opc, all
[00:26:18] them, they met, i was the one that was asked to help them invite those group, we met
[00:26:22] at, he now give them an assignment, look go on campaign for
[00:26:26] us, set up your own campaign organization,
[00:26:29] natation of mechanics, so you go and distry
[00:26:33] pamplets for your members every meeting you have on Tuesdays you do pamples and
[00:26:37] use it to mobilize your members 2023 they
[00:26:41] did the same thing I was there so all the grows that
[00:26:45] matter you know go and campaign you engage them
[00:26:49] and you could see the outcome so don't just assume that oh because we are in
[00:26:52] power oh we are APC we are a big party now the APC is
[00:26:56] saying that we are targeting that they are targeting 5 million if it is
[00:27:00] even they can't get up to 5 million they can get up to 3-4 million if they
[00:27:04] do they don't work very well yeah because what you have found over time is that people
[00:27:08] don't come out on
[00:27:09] the election day they get stay back say what is my business don't assume that with money you bring
[00:27:13] everybody out some people not go out especially in legos where 1000 do not
[00:27:17] mean much to lot of people so you need to find a
[00:27:21] strategy that
[00:27:22] you can
[00:27:23] you know put legos in the place of cano as a as
[00:27:26] major determinant of political of electoral
[00:27:30] uh outcome in Nigeria let go. can do it with the number of
[00:27:34] you registered voters, yeah, but over time, when is the election day,
[00:27:38] cano is always stronger than legos, which is not supposed to be, so asking them not
[00:27:42] to travel, i think it's a good step, because for some day we just go
[00:27:46] for all the day and then come back one week before the election, so go
[00:27:50] back to your rural area, go and mobilize your people,
[00:27:53] engage them, and and i think if the party can do this, the
[00:27:57] outcome will be favor to them, and i also advise all the parties
[00:28:01] that winner elections. not just about social media, talking on social media, you
[00:28:05] need to engage people,
[00:28:06] you need to convince them, faith organizations, mechanics
[00:28:09] association, all every every yeah, name them them,
[00:28:13] because democracy is about the people,
[00:28:15] yeah uh,
[00:28:19] because I'm sure you you were old enough to
[00:28:22] appreciate politic electionaring in the
[00:28:25] AG days, you may have been a small boy,
[00:28:29] but colorful, I'm talking about.
[00:28:35] Okay, I didn't see ADDs, okay, I, I, I saw it,
[00:28:39] I saw upn, all
[00:28:43] right, secondary public, second republic, I was already
[00:28:47] secondary school, yeah,
[00:28:49] so it means
[00:28:53] campaigning involves lot of work, yes,
[00:28:57] I think
[00:28:58] that
[00:29:02] um, we have said actually everything, the way
[00:29:06] they are thinking is let's not be
[00:29:08] complacent, this is not a time to go
[00:29:12] abroad and just be launching there, just making
[00:29:15] yourself happy, there's work to be
[00:29:17] done, i approve of
[00:29:21] this - this approach, because let's face it, they
[00:29:25] had issues in 2023, but what
[00:29:29] happened was not what was expected and the... mistakes that
[00:29:33] they made, okay, which they
[00:29:36] corrected, which they corrected, the
[00:29:40] president had even step in in terms of strategy, in terms
[00:29:44] of some big decisions that were taken before
[00:29:47] that governorship election, and see what happened the
[00:29:51] governorship election, some lose
[00:29:54] votes was more than two
[00:29:57] times the votes the people competed against
[00:30:00] him, meanwile in the presidential
[00:30:04] election, the party lost, so they bounce
[00:30:07] back, some the things they should have done back then including
[00:30:11] reconciling with people agrived as all the
[00:30:15] primaries, they didn't uh do that, so for the
[00:30:18] governorship election they had to then
[00:30:22] reach out, they reached out to the christian community because
[00:30:26] that electoral defeat hold
[00:30:29] largely to... push disenchantment
[00:30:33] with the uh christian, mean mostly muslim
[00:30:37] ticket, but they had to address that,
[00:30:39] you saw some
[00:30:39] wo even going to some churches and all that, so um, what
[00:30:43] the party leader lego is saying is we have to be
[00:30:47] serious, we have sacrifice and we
[00:30:51] have to stay here and work, so that's why he
[00:30:54] said no, this is not the time to travel, let's let's
[00:30:57] focus.