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[00:00:43] Hello and welcome to labor lent. I am Sharony Jason. On this week edition
[00:00:47] of of the program will be focusing on the demand for new national minimum wage
[00:00:51] by walkers. We also have new stories for you. We will be
[00:00:55] right
[00:00:55] back.
[00:01:03] Tensions are escalating between organized labor and the federal
[00:01:07] government. The Nijan labor Congress has issued a street two week
[00:01:11] ultimatum, demanding immediate reduction in petrol prices and the
[00:01:14] swift renegotiation
[00:01:16] of the national minimum wage. The directive comes on the heals
[00:01:19] of a joint eye stake meeting
[00:01:21] of the NLC National Executive Council and Central Working
[00:01:25] Committee at labor house in Abuja. The communix signed by
[00:01:29] NLC. President Joe
[00:01:30] of Jairo, the Congress declared that the ultimatum takes immediate
[00:01:34] effects.
[00:01:35] in Labor leaders sites what they describe as the rapidly wasn't economic and survivor
[00:01:39] crisis confronting millions of Nigerian workers. The
[00:01:43] Congress is now putting all state affiliator and progressive allies on
[00:01:46] Ireland, ording them to prepare for
[00:01:49] of decisive actions should the federal government fail to yield to their demand
[00:01:52] within the 14 day
[00:01:54] window.
[00:02:01] of marking world day for
[00:02:04] of decent work, Nigerian liberal leaders called for
[00:02:07] enhance workplace protections and greater economic
[00:02:11] opportunities for young workers. Isaac
[00:02:14] Adeshino, acting national president of AsbiF framed
[00:02:18] in descents work as a fundamental human rights a
[00:02:22] players to end exploitative practices such as
[00:02:26] casual and contract labor and advocated for young workers.
[00:02:30] right to unionize and meet rising youth unemployment.
[00:02:33] Accoding this continents, Rufos Olusherson, National
[00:02:37] President
[00:02:38] in of in Para demanded immediate end to worker
[00:02:42] casualization and called for comprehensive social
[00:02:45] safety, net, job security and fair
[00:02:49] representation. Both leaders emphasized that sustainable economic
[00:02:52] of growth of requires young people's active participation and
[00:02:56] all government, employers
[00:02:58] of and unions to collaborate. on structural labor
[00:03:01] reforms.
[00:03:03] Albife has made it a practice to commeorate the world day for decent work annually on
[00:03:07] the 7th of October of every year, to remind our
[00:03:10] employers that decent work is our right as workers, that
[00:03:14] workers are not sleeves, that is what motivates and improves
[00:03:18] performance and productivity, that is what sustains
[00:03:22] of industrial peace and harmony and as well
[00:03:25] remind the workers themselves that trade unionism gives us strength.
[00:03:30] and the unity that are greater than
[00:03:32] in any force the capitalist employers may deploy
[00:03:36] and in the same reinforce the strength in unity and
[00:03:40] the power to refuse every manner of
[00:03:43] of oppression, we use this day to
[00:03:46] reflect and dedicate ourselves to the objectives of decent
[00:03:49] work. this years free, young workers organizing
[00:03:53] for the future is very out. the future of work is
[00:03:57] now in Nigeria Statistic shows us
[00:04:01] that Nigeria's population consists of about 70%
[00:04:05] youths and while government maintains that youth on employment
[00:04:08] rate stands at about 6%,
[00:04:11] 6.5%. The unions disagreed with that
[00:04:14] figure arguing that youth unemployment has exceeded
[00:04:18] 60%, millions of able bodies youth
[00:04:21] lost unemployed, while the
[00:04:24] of few of are employed are largely
[00:04:26] of underemployed in the informal sector and as casual or'.
[00:04:30] track staffers in the organized privacy sectors, they are denight the
[00:04:34] right to organize
[00:04:35] of and fight for their rights, the laws are
[00:04:38] not helping matters as management is not exploiting the
[00:04:42] provision of voluntarism to deprive any workers
[00:04:45] of the right to join unions, this is not decent work,
[00:04:49] decent
[00:04:50] of work is becoming more acute in Nigeria
[00:04:54] and the supply we are
[00:04:56] experiencing
[00:04:59] that the... exploitation, long hours in the
[00:05:03] guitar economy without job position, and
[00:05:07] yet your workers are not just
[00:05:10] victims, we are organ. organizing the are
[00:05:13] living froms in computer
[00:05:17] village at to fs
[00:05:21] in cabin from castle to construction
[00:05:24] sites young medias and demanding just simple
[00:05:27] thing descent work what is
[00:05:31] descent works us is
[00:05:35] it is work that is one productive and
[00:05:38] delivers fair income security.
[00:05:43] two secure and safe, three,
[00:05:46] with social protection, four, where workers are
[00:05:50] have democratic right to organize and have a
[00:05:54] voice, as a union, our message
[00:05:58] today is clear, the government
[00:06:02] one in invest in skills, not
[00:06:04] just make the economy work for the
[00:06:08] young, implement policies that create stable
[00:06:11] jobs, not just
[00:06:13] paliative to to the
[00:06:16] employers, stop the casualization of young
[00:06:19] workers, young workers or a three months
[00:06:23] contract renew for five years is not a
[00:06:26] worker, he is industrial sleep
[00:06:30] being potally exploited to young workers
[00:06:34] themselves, organize and apply for today and your
[00:06:38] push, the only security you have is your solution.
[00:06:57] On the profile interview segment this week I'll be speaking with the national president the
[00:07:01] Nigerian Labor Congress come Joe Ajero. It brings us up to
[00:07:05] speed on why Nigerian workers are demanding for a 500
[00:07:08] thousand minimum wage while also justifying why.
[00:07:12] and workers deserve earning living
[00:07:23] lot has been happening in the world of work and most
[00:07:26] especially there's a debate as regards the need for
[00:07:30] new national minimum wage which many have argued must
[00:07:34] be living wage. now there's
[00:07:37] this conversation that average Nigerian should earn
[00:07:39] 50000
[00:07:41] nar as de minimum wage, you have supported this
[00:07:44] claim, but the governments and organized private
[00:07:48] sector have said that that is actually too
[00:07:51] much, so if I may ask you, what is the
[00:07:55] minimum that you think average Nigerian should earn
[00:07:58] in 2026? well, I don't
[00:08:02] think the argument of
[00:08:06] 500,000 is for or
[00:08:09] against. what does 500
[00:08:13] thousand translate in real terms? it's about
[00:08:17] $300. is that what Nigeria wants
[00:08:21] to pay their citizens?
[00:08:23] $300. averagely in the
[00:08:27] US where wages are calculated per
[00:08:30] hour, in states where you
[00:08:34] calculate $20 per
[00:08:36] hour, for 10 hours people can
[00:08:39] make
[00:08:42] a uh... about 200 a
[00:08:44] day, so and then we are now talking of
[00:08:48] 500, the main issue
[00:08:52] is controlling the value the
[00:08:55] currency, if you can even
[00:08:59] peg the n to the dollar at
[00:09:03] even 10, 10,
[00:09:07] 10 n per dollar, we call for
[00:09:11] wage freeze. I will be here and say let us remain
[00:09:15] at 70000, let us have,
[00:09:18] but the private sector can be comfortable with the current
[00:09:22] devaluation, they can be comfortable
[00:09:25] with the issue of inflation,
[00:09:29] you know, so I don't understand the private sector
[00:09:32] saying 500 thous
[00:09:34] is too much, if 500,000 is too much, give
[00:09:38] it real value, and I think that's what is at the heart of our dis'.
[00:09:42] now the value of 50000 in comparison to other
[00:09:46] currencies the world, where does it leave you? you,
[00:09:50] Nigeria is selling crude at dollar
[00:09:53] rate, so can can Nigeria
[00:09:57] equally agree for just $500 as
[00:10:00] minimum wage, which you know countries the world are not
[00:10:03] paying, so can they peg the anir to
[00:10:07] dollar, and it's not a question, because time is
[00:10:11] coming when... 1 million will not be enough
[00:10:15] for anybody to feed with, unless something is done and
[00:10:18] critically soon, and then so long as you
[00:10:22] don't check it, you won't stop us from collecting. what will keep
[00:10:25] us alive? i think that's what is our stake now and that
[00:10:29] brings us to living wage. living wage is not in terms of
[00:10:32] quantum. it's not in terms of 500, it's not
[00:10:36] in terms of 1 million, because if 1 million could
[00:10:40] not keep family of four till the end the month is not a living
[00:10:44] wage. so whether you call it 1 million or 500 thous as far
[00:10:48] as is not able to take care of your needs till the end the month,
[00:10:52] it's still not a minimum wage. so i think the issue is that... "you know
[00:10:55] the economic formulators of this country should look
[00:10:59] at those things that destroyed our economy, that devalued our
[00:11:03] currency,
[00:11:05] no uh, should we be where we are today if they didn't say subsidy is
[00:11:09] gone, that's the question, they may touching
[00:11:12] the pump price of petroleum products without
[00:11:16] getting alternative, whether it is electric motor,
[00:11:20] whether it is CNG, whatever, is at the heart of it,
[00:11:24] so if..." touch it again like they have touched it now to maybe
[00:11:27] 1004, the transporter will touch his
[00:11:31] own, the landlord will touch his own, the person selling r will touch
[00:11:35] his own, next tomorrow you still touch it, and by the time you brought
[00:11:39] it to a state that the state cannot regulate
[00:11:42] it, you are leaving it to market forces, it then means if it goes up
[00:11:46] you increase salary, it time it goes up increase
[00:11:50] salary, so I've never seen a market, that is not
[00:11:53] regulated. but since they say you
[00:11:57] know it's open market then is open market our
[00:12:01] way should be in open market we should be free to demand what we
[00:12:05] want you know because you can't you can't keep wage
[00:12:08] constant and other variables continue to go up
[00:12:12] that's not that's economics you oh the workers cannot ask for
[00:12:16] 500 thous but they can buy rs
[00:12:19] anything they can pay any amount so so while while the
[00:12:23] government is still working at getting it right in terms in terms the
[00:12:26] economics uh whether we like it or not we there
[00:12:30] has to be negotiation in some few weeks or some few months
[00:12:33] and whatever impact of whatever economic decision
[00:12:37] may not reflect in the next few months so what is
[00:12:41] the realistic wage a way that probably to
[00:12:45] not affect companies to lay of
[00:12:48] workers you see the there are variables
[00:12:52] and there are variables. "i
[00:12:56] have looked at the issue of even a kind of
[00:13:00] interventionist policies like weg award and
[00:13:04] all that, but they are not enough
[00:13:08] and there's no good faith, the one we
[00:13:11] discussed last time about two three years now, you know of
[00:13:15] 35, in some establishments have not been
[00:13:18] implemented, so is that the purpose it was meant
[00:13:22] for, now let us have agree that the..." problem in the middle
[00:13:25] east is the cause for the increase in pump price of petroleum products,
[00:13:29] let's assume without conciding to them and that the budget
[00:13:33] was
[00:13:34] you know structured based on 60
[00:13:37] 70 dollar a
[00:13:39] barrel and now that they are selling 100
[00:13:43] and 710 now and that the government is making
[00:13:47] extra $30 whatever you can use whatever is coming
[00:13:51] there to cousion the effects it has created.
[00:13:55] but ordinarily, if Nigeria was
[00:13:58] prepared, the the fluctuation in
[00:14:02] the international market will not affect us, but because
[00:14:06] we have to import crude, and if you
[00:14:08] are importing crude, you have to buy crude and international
[00:14:12] price and then come back here to convert,
[00:14:15] so as an inter
[00:14:18] measure, today, tomorrow, whatever, yeah,
[00:14:22] we can discuss. and then as
[00:14:26] a lasting measure you can look at some of other
[00:14:30] things that can last, but however the situation would
[00:14:33] have been worst if we didn't reduce you the cycle
[00:14:37] from five years to three years, now assume that we
[00:14:41] will have to wait for the next two years or three years to negotiate this, then there will have
[00:14:45] been crisis, so I think we still push for further reduction to
[00:14:49] two years or index wage based on
[00:14:53] inflation, inflationary trends. so it will be self-adjusted or
[00:14:57] insist on cost of living index
[00:14:59] you know whichever way that you know, but the culture of
[00:15:03] debate is gone, as we talk now, no government
[00:15:07] uh official will be ready to engage us i don't
[00:15:11] tv debate or any debate for us to see the best way to solve this
[00:15:14] problem, it's either take it or not, you can write letter for the next three
[00:15:18] months, they will not reply, if they reply you there will be no commitment in
[00:15:22] it, like the ones the national public service. uh
[00:15:25] negotiating council have been backing them today, they told them
[00:15:29] they are going to look into it, they're going to look it when somebody can go to work, somebody
[00:15:33] can't eat, so those are issues, and then maybe
[00:15:37] what i waiting is for labor to you know to start to call for action, must you
[00:15:40] do that countries the world, i'm not aware of any the six
[00:15:44] major oil producing countries where workers had to go on strike before an
[00:15:48] intervention was made, it has to be, you have to be
[00:15:52] proactive to take care of this, you know, but in Nigeria what
[00:15:56] they are waiting for is maybe one or two or three days nationwide strike
[00:16:00] before we can talk, that shouldn't be the case, hope that is addressed
[00:16:03] in good time, but while we still at this conversation, you spoke about
[00:16:07] petroleum prices and the cost of leaving and recently there
[00:16:11] was a press statement that um you released or your
[00:16:15] office release saying tagged save the situation
[00:16:18] now is NLC proposing that
[00:16:22] government should go back to subsidizing petroleum that
[00:16:26] logic of subsidizing petroleum you
[00:16:30] know i've been wondering what anybody is
[00:16:33] subsidizing in terms of petroleum i think the...
[00:16:37] problem is that
[00:16:38] you know we are not refining, if we are
[00:16:42] refining we won't have challenges, but by the time
[00:16:46] you have to sell crude you finish
[00:16:49] product. now if Nigeria, the refineries are
[00:16:53] working, or even the private refinery, we are made to
[00:16:57] understand is working, and they have a way of
[00:17:01] getting creod here, without that same private refinery
[00:17:04] buying crude from abroad. you can't call a
[00:17:08] subsidy, if they refined crude here
[00:17:12] within Nigeria without carrying sheep and come back, the price of
[00:17:16] petroleum product may be at 500, so that
[00:17:20] one you call it subsidy because is refined here,
[00:17:23] you know, where the issue of subsidy comes in is where
[00:17:27] when they bring it the difference of 500, the government will not pay
[00:17:31] it, government will not have cost to pay difference of 500 if he is
[00:17:35] refined here, because the landing cost. taking it off,
[00:17:38] bringing it back, will no longer be there, so and I think that's what we should concern
[00:17:42] ourselves with, are we going to give the
[00:17:46] refineries here, local refineries crude, yeah, without
[00:17:50] asking them to buy it at international rate, if they buy it at international
[00:17:54] rate, they will still bring it back to make profit, and that will create lot of
[00:17:57] problem, but I let me repeat this, because I challenge the group managing
[00:18:01] director of NMPC once,
[00:18:03] you know, that allow these guys that are refining in the Niger.
[00:18:07] delta to refine the local way,
[00:18:10] yes, but you visited the refineries one time a
[00:18:14] and you gave a a
[00:18:18] portar, yes, that's when they started you know
[00:18:21] to revive turn around maintenance and the capacity was
[00:18:25] picking up, you know, they they had not reached half
[00:18:29] capacity, but I said that, oh, work is in
[00:18:32] progress here, that if they can complete this work,
[00:18:35] we won't have cause to import you know - finish products, that's
[00:18:39] what we say, but there are guys in the deta they are refining, and they told me that
[00:18:43] those, yes, apart from local method is not rocket
[00:18:46] science, over 13 or 15 universities
[00:18:50] in Nigeria offering courses in petrochemical engineering, you
[00:18:54] know, and I could remember even the Denf Republic of
[00:18:57] Bafra, within three months the war, they were refining
[00:19:01] locally, so but the point I'm making is that you
[00:19:05] can bring all measures, to test the quality of
[00:19:09] what they are producing, you can create them in in
[00:19:13] cooperatives and get regulatory
[00:19:16] agencies to test what they are refining, the guys there
[00:19:20] are not parks, guys doing this local refining, and if you give them
[00:19:24] even crude, you can give them loan, you
[00:19:27] can register them, you can legalize what they are doing, and
[00:19:31] then we see how it helps us locally, those ones are not saying we
[00:19:35] send crude there, we bring crude there. 'if you don't give them crude, you now say they are stealing
[00:19:39] crude, so if we want to solve
[00:19:42] this problem, there are ways of solving it, the Nigerian way, practical way, yes,
[00:19:46] there are to use the eye transportation cost, the federal
[00:19:50] government promis to rule out CNG buses and also to provide
[00:19:53] conversion centers where workers and citizens can
[00:19:57] go to convert their vehicles, what's your
[00:20:01] observation as regards this process, would you say it has been successful, do you
[00:20:05] think more needs to be done to that there are
[00:20:08] options, well I think that uh exercise
[00:20:12] didn't work, especially on the
[00:20:16] CNG buses, for instance, I think the Nigerian
[00:20:19] Level Congress got about between 60 and
[00:20:23] 90 CNG buses,
[00:20:27] and we tried to send about uh
[00:20:30] 10 per zone, six geopolitical zones
[00:20:33] and uh the labor seat transport.
[00:20:38] you know oppress the oters, i don't know
[00:20:42] what 10 buses could do to a zone that has
[00:20:45] about seven states or eight states,
[00:20:49] i can't tell you. what they will do, but they functioning, the function
[00:20:53] as far as then is concerned, the rose be seen the you,
[00:20:57] but you can look at one state, if you deploy those 90
[00:21:00] buses in one states, the impact won't even be known
[00:21:03] clearly, however
[00:21:07] those buses are
[00:21:11] still operating on PMS, buse
[00:21:14] infrastructure is not there, so it doesn't make
[00:21:17] sense if you have equally use. pms, whereas the essence
[00:21:21] is to use CNG, ordinarily, if you have
[00:21:24] enough stations where you can go and refill, that
[00:21:28] would have helped us for those one that are CNG, now the
[00:21:32] second leg is that you know they there should have been
[00:21:36] conversion kits for vehicles, you
[00:21:39] know, so that they can equally, if you convert
[00:21:42] now, can you buy the
[00:21:45] CNG, you the keys, we can't see them,
[00:21:49] so for almost yes now that exercise has been
[00:21:52] neither here or there, so it didn't work, if it was viable
[00:21:56] alternative, as you all know, CNG where
[00:22:00] people are loading for 10, 100, CNG could be loading
[00:22:04] for 500 or 300, because it's cheaper,
[00:22:08] and this eco friendly, so that exercise didn't work, it
[00:22:12] was we suggested that as an alternative so that the
[00:22:15] emphasis on PMS will be reduced, because every time we on
[00:22:19] strike on PMS. Okay, let there be another alternative, so if
[00:22:23] you don't want
[00:22:23] to use PMS, you use CNG, now
[00:22:27] nobody, nobody is in charge, as you talk today, who do you hold
[00:22:31] responsible for the
[00:22:32] CNG agreement,
[00:22:36] it's not there, so it died like any other
[00:22:39] project, but they would like to tell you that is working, even the issue
[00:22:43] of electric
[00:22:47] vehicles,
[00:22:48] you know, that area has not been explored. so that's a problem, so
[00:22:51] transportation will still be at the center the challenge we are
[00:22:55] having, if you if you have to
[00:22:58] settle transportation challenge, then our
[00:23:02] problem would be a bit reduced, because the artisans,
[00:23:05] you the mechanic, the brickler have to move from the
[00:23:09] the position they are to where they are going to work, talking about
[00:23:13] artisans, there's a green number of informal workers in
[00:23:17] Nigeria, what plans does NLC they have for this group
[00:23:21] of people? well, i think the challenge we have now is that uh
[00:23:25] NSC is now being asked to provide for
[00:23:27] Nigerians. i should have asked you
[00:23:31] know transmiting from other informality to
[00:23:34] formality or these people are informal
[00:23:38] workers where you have almost 90% you know of
[00:23:42] nigerians at the informal sector. what
[00:23:46] is the policy directive the state that will?
[00:23:50] benefit them, if Nigerian government addresses the issue
[00:23:53] of you know petroleum product, the formal workers will
[00:23:57] benefit, but that is what is causing the the money to
[00:24:01] move from one point to the other. In our own case, if I
[00:24:05] get wage awards or increase in salary now,
[00:24:09] it's for the former, those are unpaid employment, so the
[00:24:13] other ones that are not unpaid employment is through these policies, now the
[00:24:16] policy of cash transfer they were talking of,
[00:24:19] you know, up to now i don't know the people that are beneficiaries, how many people
[00:24:23] have been paid, where is the account number?
[00:24:26] you know, and they said is people that are multidimensionally poor, so who are the
[00:24:30] people? these are challenges that you should come
[00:24:33] up with policies, do they have incentives, if you want to provide
[00:24:36] loan, you know, to them, it's not NLC that provide
[00:24:40] loan, if you want to provide employment, it's not NLC that, if
[00:24:44] you want to look at social safety nets, it's not the NLC, if
[00:24:48] you have you know health. free
[00:24:50] health uh for the people if you want
[00:24:54] to have accommodation whatever you want to do is not see that
[00:24:58] provides so I think the state has lot of job to
[00:25:01] do
[00:25:02] you know uh in his welfare policies including for the
[00:25:05] aged you see most people old people 70
[00:25:09] 80 to move from one point to the other some them don't have pension those
[00:25:13] in the formal sector the economy majority them don't have pension so
[00:25:17] what happens as the as the age and no policy, there's no old
[00:25:21] men's benefit that you have, no health policy
[00:25:25] for them, no insurance policy for them, so how would they survive? those are
[00:25:29] not the responsibility of NLC to pr, but we can articulate
[00:25:33] this as we are conversing for it. on the final notes
[00:25:36] congratulations on your recent international
[00:25:39] recognition, which includes the or
[00:25:43] steven's price for trade union rights, this
[00:25:46] happened some few months ago in Europe, how... does this
[00:25:50] translate to better working conditions for Nigerians? It
[00:25:54] shows that the reward for hard work is more
[00:25:58] work, and the monetary value of
[00:26:01] it is.
[00:26:04] you know uh, it was
[00:26:06] split into two, why the beneficiary, the award winner will get
[00:26:09] half, the other half is to be used for trading or work, so
[00:26:13] there was even the monetary aspect, yeah there was and i was not informed,
[00:26:16] well that was is there, is there is
[00:26:20] public domain every beneficial, so i'm listening to the breakd, every
[00:26:24] yeah, i've told you it's 50/50, okay, so and
[00:26:28] workers will receive some out of it, some will
[00:26:31] be used for trading on work, i have gotten
[00:26:35] mine, you know uh, which is half of it, the other
[00:26:38] half,
[00:26:39] you know, we are we are working with the uh, the
[00:26:43] people that instituted the award on how to release
[00:26:46] it for the other job which is for nigerian
[00:26:49] workers, so i think it shows that people are
[00:26:53] watching, what we are doing here, because
[00:26:57] some of us didn't hear of that word uh that there is such because no
[00:27:01] nigerian had benefit. from it, so for them to now
[00:27:04] articulate our activities for a long time and say, hey, you are
[00:27:08] the 2026, you know, uh, at of
[00:27:12] Stevenson Lauret so to say, and this is
[00:27:15] the amount,
[00:27:17] you know, and then being the first Nigerian that got it
[00:27:20] is, is motivation, you know,
[00:27:24] and and I knew some countries like America and others, you know,
[00:27:27] came close to winning the award, so it
[00:27:31] will... show you part the global world that whatever you
[00:27:35] are doing here inside room a faraway
[00:27:38] nigeria people are observing it and we should pay more attention to
[00:27:42] it. is there any particular course that you're passionate
[00:27:46] about that probably you're looking forward to them giving approval for
[00:27:50] such. the basic ideology for any trading union leader
[00:27:54] is may be social democracy. before now it used to be
[00:27:57] between the left and the extreme right
[00:28:00] you know so you must have something. believe in,
[00:28:04] yes, before you move, you can't see a union is
[00:28:07] supporting liberalization, privatization,
[00:28:11] commercialization, so we bring them back, especially the
[00:28:14] call ones,
[00:28:16] you know, who in the next 10 or five years be able to be
[00:28:20] leaders, because some of us by one reason or the
[00:28:24] other, we are trained by the first generation general secretaries and
[00:28:28] presidents, who impacted, and we discover that there's a gap
[00:28:31] now, you know we'll
[00:28:33] see how far we can try, even if it's 20 or 10
[00:28:36] trade union is that benefit from this process,
[00:28:40] those ones will be exceptional in the next you
[00:28:44] know 10 or 8 years, so
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