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[00:01:13] Our reporters at home and abroad, in full readiness,
[00:01:17] so we can start the program at 5:12. Mirosław
[00:01:20] Cichy, good morning, welcome and
[00:01:22] come in.
[00:01:32] To begin with, a tragedy at Lake Durowskie in Wągrowiec.
[00:01:35] Two teenagers drowned in Lake Durowskie. The beach and
[00:01:39] swimming area where the teenagers were were not supervised. According
[00:01:43] to eyewitness accounts, one of the boys began to drown, and the other
[00:01:46] tried to save him. Unfortunately, similar tragedies happen
[00:01:50] every year. Today marks exactly 13 years since four
[00:01:53] siblings drowned in the currents of the Warta River. Therefore,
[00:01:57] we decided to remind you of safety rules. Bis,
[00:02:08] who checks safety by the water, and Katarzyna Matczak
[00:02:12] is in Trębaczew near Działoszyn, where 13
[00:02:15] years ago four siblings died. I welcome you warmly,
[00:02:19] we start with Jakub Szustakowski. Please
[00:02:21] tell us what the services
[00:02:23] managed to find out?
[00:02:28] This tragedy happened on... a wild unsupervised beach,
[00:02:32] because the actual one is currently undergoing
[00:02:34] revitalization and is closed,
[00:02:38] it is known that one of the boys was initially in
[00:02:42] the water, the other tried to save him, soon both
[00:02:45] were under the surface of the water, and the third, who saw the whole
[00:02:49] incident, called the emergency
[00:02:52] number 112, it was he
[00:02:55] who called the services, who received a report of
[00:02:59] this... tragedy after 2
[00:03:02] PM, before the services arrived
[00:03:05] at the scene, a Wopr
[00:03:09] diver from Wągrowiec rushed
[00:03:11] to help the boys. The boys were found
[00:03:15] a few meters from the shoreline, at a depth of about
[00:03:18] 4 meters, and were immediately evacuated to the shore where
[00:03:22] medical procedures were undertaken, medical assistance was also provided by
[00:03:25] units of the state medical rescue service, we conducted
[00:03:28] a cardiopulmonary resuscitation for over an hour, unfortunately
[00:03:31] despite many efforts, it was not possible to save the lives of two 13-year-old
[00:03:35] boys, eyewitness testimonies were that one of the boys started
[00:03:38] to drown, the others wanted to help him, because
[00:03:40] degrees and we are talking about there was another boy there, unfortunately the second one was most
[00:03:43] likely dragged under
[00:03:46] the water too.
[00:03:51] Meanwhile, as we hear from the residents
[00:03:55] here in Wągrowiec, in this lake
[00:03:59] one can...
[00:04:31] The boys were said to have been underwater for
[00:04:35] about
[00:04:37] mortgage on 40 minutes, despite the reaction of
[00:04:39] emergency services and prolonged
[00:04:43] resuscitation, their lives could not
[00:04:47] assets in be saved. Now the circumstances of this tragedy will be investigated by
[00:04:50] police under the supervision of the prosecutor's office.
[00:04:54] About this tragedy Jakub Szustakowski, thank you very much, how to take care of
[00:04:58] yourself and loved ones, that's the question now.
[00:05:00] to Bartosz Bis, Welcome Bartek, you are in Kołobrzeg, tell us
[00:05:04] what to pay attention to and what to remember
[00:05:06] we recovered the when relaxing by
[00:05:07] the water?
[00:05:11] Let's remember to choose a guarded beach, we are currently
[00:05:15] at one, the white flag is currently
[00:05:17] flying over the lifeguard station, which
[00:05:21] means you can swim, today good conditions
[00:05:25] for swimming in Kołobrzeg on the beach,
[00:05:28] but let's remember the basic safety rules, especially
[00:05:32] in the context of children, but more about that will be said by the
[00:05:36] lifeguard, a parent should stand by the shore, by the shoreline
[00:05:40] and observe their child. in the water, precisely so that
[00:05:43] incidents such as missing children or even drownings are minimized,
[00:05:47] we have red buoys, these are buoys
[00:05:50] for non-swimmers, and yellow for swimmers, however, at other
[00:05:54] swimming areas we may also find white buoys, then
[00:05:57] we have a maximum depth of 40 cm, there is no
[00:06:01] protective net for children, it's like a paddling
[00:06:04] pool, one might say,
[00:06:08] and as you heard, such places where
[00:06:11] there are special... designated zones of shallower
[00:06:15] water depth will be found at every swimming area, but importantly,
[00:06:18] a guarded swimming area, so let's try
[00:06:21] to choose such places where there are lifeguards,
[00:06:25] who, in case of such a situation, when
[00:06:28] a dangerous incident occurs, or even
[00:06:31] drowning, can react, here on the beach by
[00:06:35] the sea, actually at every
[00:06:39] width where there are lifeguards... if
[00:06:41] a situation arises where someone might be under
[00:06:45] water, a so-called chain of life
[00:06:48] is formed, this is
[00:06:52] based on the principle that all tourists enter,
[00:06:56] tourists who are relaxing by the water are called
[00:07:00] and they enter holding hands and search for such
[00:07:03] a person, this makes it easier to save
[00:07:07] someone, but when it comes to children, it is worth
[00:07:11] getting special
[00:07:14] buoys that can be attached
[00:07:16] to a belt, then we are sure
[00:07:20] that the child, even if they feel
[00:07:23] insecure, can grab such a buoy, but
[00:07:27] above all, common sense, assessing
[00:07:30] one's abilities, and using water
[00:07:33] responsibly. Bartosz Bis with all these
[00:07:36] tips, and now we return to the tragedy from 13 years ago,
[00:07:40] where four siblings drowned in the currents of the Warta River.
[00:07:50] Hello Kasia, please remind us how this tragedy
[00:07:52] happened.
[00:07:57] It was a beautiful summer day, five children, a mother and
[00:08:01] a social worker, with such a group, they all went
[00:08:04] to the Warta, a few kilometers from their home,
[00:08:07] at some point the children wanted to go into the water,
[00:08:11] the youngest of the siblings stayed
[00:08:14] on the shore with the caregiver, the mother and four children, they all went
[00:08:18] into the water, the siblings held hands, but at some point
[00:08:22] the youngest of them, Hania, 7 years old, stumbled, fell into
[00:08:26] a water depression and pulled 11-year-old
[00:08:29] Kasia with her, the boys, two brothers, wanted
[00:08:33] to help their little sisters, but suddenly they all ended up
[00:08:37] underwater, this story ended
[00:08:39] tragically, the search ended with... tragic
[00:08:43] news of the death of four children, we are recalling
[00:08:46] this story to appeal to your imagination,
[00:08:50] because at unguarded swimming areas, in places where there is no
[00:08:53] lifeguard, it is very dangerous, such
[00:08:57] water hides many traps, whirlpools, currents,
[00:09:00] uncertain bottom, all this makes it very dangerous,
[00:09:04] in Pajęczański county there is a ban
[00:09:07] on entering the water along the entire length of the Warta,
[00:09:11] here all the time... from 13 years ago,
[00:09:15] that is why the police continuously monitor
[00:09:18] the area around the Warta and check that no one
[00:09:21] here has such an idea to enter
[00:09:25] the water, because it is not worth it to enter the unguarded
[00:09:28] Warta.
[00:09:30] Katarzyna Matczak, previously Bartosz Bis and Kuba Szustakowski, thank you
[00:09:34] very much for all this information. And
[00:09:37] now with us is water rescue instructor, Mr. Filip Orłowski, welcome
[00:09:40] warmly, good morning. Good morning, unfortunately
[00:09:44] the statistics are alarming and leave no doubt that
[00:09:48] drownings are still a huge problem, because if around
[00:09:52] 400 people drown in Poland annually, this is a serious problem, what is
[00:09:55] it caused by?
[00:09:58] Yes, every year we struggle with the same, with the same problem,
[00:10:02] the number of drownings, and it basically oscillates around the same
[00:10:05] numbers, the same statistics and despite all
[00:10:09] these actions that are carried out both by
[00:10:12] you and by entities authorized to perform water rescue, we still
[00:10:16] unfortunately have this symptom of inattention and
[00:10:19] a slight disregard for water environments, and hence
[00:10:22] the number, well, we are constantly inclined to believe that
[00:10:25] the cause is not necessarily
[00:10:28] fundamentally alcohol or other reckless behaviors,
[00:10:31] but building awareness from younger
[00:10:35] generations, such continuous dissemination
[00:10:38] of knowledge about water, about its values,
[00:10:42] but also its dangers, because it seems to me that basically only in this way
[00:10:46] are we able to prepare generations for safety
[00:10:50] and for awareness of water lifeguards, then
[00:10:53] significantly less... work on
[00:10:57] paying attention, on educating, simply these information systems
[00:11:00] that will be able to work already, because
[00:11:03] people will consciously be able
[00:11:07] to eliminate danger themselves. I will just
[00:11:09] add to that that since June of this year, only since
[00:11:12] June of this year, which means we have two months of such
[00:11:16] summer vacation period, already 105 people have drowned, and
[00:11:20] it's peak vacation season, the statistics regarding
[00:11:24] children are also terrifying. Now the question to you, how to ensure their safety
[00:11:28] by the water? yesterday, being
[00:11:32] at training already after an hour of work at
[00:11:35] a guarded bathing area, I had the opportunity to caution
[00:11:38] a group of
[00:11:40] five children who were jumping
[00:11:44] from a pillar, I think about 200 meters
[00:11:47] from the shore, and approaching them I asked if
[00:11:51] anyone was supervising them, if anyone was taking care of them?
[00:11:55] They told me that their parents were, but the search was
[00:11:59] unsuccessful, I don't know where those parents were among the crowds on the beach,
[00:12:02] so I think that a child is under care
[00:12:05] and they always have to rely
[00:12:08] on their caregiver, on their parent, on someone who is
[00:12:12] an adult and is able to tell them about possibilities and threats
[00:12:16] and eliminate them, well, that's crucial, unfortunately,
[00:12:19] and you have to remember about it. I'll also add that on
[00:12:22] sea swimming areas, it's a frequent... unfortunately, a situation in
[00:12:25] which our lifeguards search for children
[00:12:28] and well, parents are often surprised,
[00:12:32] we were in the same place, the child was just supposed to go to the water, but we always
[00:12:36] repeat one situation, where from the perspective of such a small child,
[00:12:40] who is about a meter tall, he walks down,
[00:12:43] looking at the return of all those lines
[00:12:46] of windbreaks that are there, he really loses
[00:12:50] his orientation, his idea of where to go, where to
[00:12:53] head, to... find his parents, and he
[00:12:57] walks along the water's edge, if he walks along the water's edge, that's
[00:13:01] still good news, and very often children get
[00:13:04] lost and we have these situations every day, several times,
[00:13:08] indeed during the day of
[00:13:12] lifeguards' work, and perhaps a system like the Dutch have, where they put up
[00:13:15] a large pillar with signs of some animals, parents
[00:13:19] entering the beach explain, saying that we are at this, at this...
[00:13:23] tym, że jesteśmy przy tym, przy tym...
[00:13:26] at this sign for children, it is very illustrative and also helps in
[00:13:30] case of disappearance, so to conclude, let me ask you, more
[00:13:33] education or perhaps more conversations between parents and
[00:13:36] children? Well, I think that there is nothing
[00:13:40] more valuable than a system, and an education system,
[00:13:44] I believe, is the foundation here, however, the additional
[00:13:48] element is our home, what we
[00:13:50] pass on to children and how we perceive safety
[00:13:54] ourselves? Because we know that children copy certain behaviors of
[00:13:57] adults, so if they see that a parent
[00:14:00] is careless, for example, goes on a watercraft without
[00:14:03] a life jacket, because they consider themselves a super swimmer, or goes outside
[00:14:06] the guarded zone, because nothing will happen to them, well, the child
[00:14:10] somehow copies these bad behaviors and behaves
[00:14:14] similarly, that's why we need to remember that we are always a role model for
[00:14:18] them to follow. Water rescue instructor Mr.
[00:14:21] Filip Orłowski was my guest and yours, thank you very much for all
[00:14:25] the information, thank you kindly, and now we change the subject,
[00:14:28] the regional prosecutor's office in Rzeszów has seized the assets of Maciej
[00:14:32] Świrski, former chairman of the National Broadcasting Council,
[00:14:35] investigators are conducting an investigation into the
[00:14:39] "Fair Courts" campaign of the Polish National Foundation, of which
[00:14:42] Maciej Świrski was the president. Details were provided by
[00:14:46] prosecutor Dorota Sokołowska Mach from the Rzeszów
[00:14:49] Prosecutor's Office. The prosecutor secured
[00:14:52] the assets
[00:14:57] regarding this suspect by
[00:14:59] establishing a compulsory
[00:15:02] a property of which the suspect is a co-owner,
[00:15:05] up to the amount of one million PLN, moreover
[00:15:09] he secured
[00:15:12] an account belonging to the suspect up to the amount of
[00:15:15] 2,000 PLN, this decision has practically been fully
[00:15:19] executed by the bank, moreover
[00:15:22] he also seized receivables from
[00:15:26] remuneration for work in the national broadcasting council
[00:15:30] in the amount of up to 5 million
[00:15:32] zlotys. It will be another day with
[00:15:36] extremely high temperatures across
[00:15:39] most of the country, so in 13 provinces,
[00:15:43] second and third degree heat alerts are already in effect.
[00:15:46] In some places, thermometers may show almost 40 degrees
[00:15:49] Celsius. Forecasters also predict storms, which
[00:15:53] in some places may be violent. IMGW
[00:15:55] heat alerts do not apply only to the northern part
[00:15:59] of the country. It is expected to be warmest in the southeast, locally
[00:16:03] 38-39 degrees Celsius. In addition,
[00:16:06] forecasters warn. locally
[00:16:16] up to 45 liters of water per square
[00:16:19] meter may fall. Additionally, storms may be accompanied by winds
[00:16:23] reaching gusts of up to 100
[00:16:25] km/h.
[00:16:30] Rescuers appeal that on such hot days, we do not forget about those
[00:16:33] for whom enduring such heat is even harder than for us.
[00:16:37] Elderly or infirm people require more care at this time, it's not
[00:16:41] just about our loved ones, but also about strangers, let's not
[00:16:45] be indifferent, even walking through the park, seeing an elderly person,
[00:16:48] sitting in the sun or even in the shade, but we see they are
[00:16:52] pale, sweaty, they may
[00:16:54] need help, let's approach them, ask, maybe they need a bottle of water, let's remember about
[00:16:58] neighbors, those living in our building, those living two
[00:17:01] houses away from us, to check on them during these heatwaves, if
[00:17:05] everything is okay, if they are coping? if they are
[00:17:08] well, this is the greatest
[00:17:12] interest of loved ones is always the greatest help.
[00:17:16] High temperatures are most felt in cities,
[00:17:19] of course, where in many places it's difficult to find shade and coolness. In
[00:17:22] Lublin is Tomasz Maciuszczak. Welcome Tomek, good morning. Tell me,
[00:17:26] how do those who have to be in the sun cope with these
[00:17:30] heatwaves?
[00:17:34] Well, the gentlemen we are currently observing,
[00:17:38] working on one of the renovated streets in Lublin,
[00:17:41] admit that one can get used to working in such conditions, but
[00:17:44] of course they remember what
[00:17:48] we should all remember during heatwaves,
[00:17:51] which is primarily regular fluid replenishment, but in
[00:17:54] this case, longer and more frequent breaks also come into play, which
[00:17:58] are regulated by labor
[00:18:01] law regulations, well, exactly
[00:18:05] they allow for... shortening
[00:18:09] work in case of high temperatures, but
[00:18:12] let's also remember that summer is a time
[00:18:16] for road repairs, for example in Lublin, in at least several places
[00:18:20] you can find road crews doing this kind of
[00:18:23] work, here there are deadlines, there are certain
[00:18:27] obligations, what is planned
[00:18:31] must be done, we were earlier on one of
[00:18:35] the exit roads from Lublin, where asphalt was being laid,
[00:18:38] imagine that asphalt poured
[00:18:41] from the machine onto the road has a temperature of about 180
[00:18:45] degrees, in such conditions it cools
[00:18:48] much longer, so there
[00:18:51] you really feel the heat, well,
[00:18:55] here it is worth repeating these appeals
[00:18:58] to everyone, because as we have already mentioned, practically all
[00:19:02] day, in Lublin, but also in the entire
[00:19:05] southeastern, and also central, Poland these
[00:19:08] heatwaves will accompany us still
[00:19:11] today, in many places the mercury columns can stop at
[00:19:14] 38
[00:19:17] temperature in the shade, so let's
[00:19:20] remember to take good care of ourselves, and
[00:19:24] also pay attention to others who may also
[00:19:28] need help in such conditions. Indeed,
[00:19:31] working outdoors now in such conditions is not pleasant, as
[00:19:35] Tomasz Maciuszczak said. Thank you very much. Let's
[00:19:38] see how wild animals in the Tatras cope with
[00:19:41] the heatwaves, as it turns out, the ban on swimming and drinking water from
[00:19:45] reservoirs such as Morskie Oko does not apply
[00:19:48] to them, one could say more, they are privileged,
[00:19:52] because they can even count on free bottled water from
[00:19:56] tourists. This enthusiast of mountain holidays is unlikely to receive a fine for swimming in the Tatras.
[00:19:59] We just keep our fingers crossed that the film doesn't fall
[00:20:03] into the wrong hands, of people who, despite bans on hot days,
[00:20:07] seek coolness, for example in Morskie Oko, he can
[00:20:10] dose it himself, and that is respected, the little one was
[00:20:14] lucky to meet people on the trail who shared water on a hot
[00:20:17] day, where the temperature drops, energy seems to increase,
[00:20:21] maybe it could be used for a game of tag, thought the Tatra
[00:20:24] chamois, it's not known who was chasing whom, or who turned out to be "it", but one
[00:20:28] thing is certain, we hope that with the cooling, we will all get our desire back for
[00:20:32] such antics. There was
[00:20:34] already an appeal from rescuers, now an appeal to beachgoers: do not leave
[00:20:38] trash, this is what local authorities from the Tricity
[00:20:41] are asking tourists for. Cleaning beaches costs hundreds of thousands
[00:20:44] of zlotys annually, and at the peak of the season, tons of
[00:20:48] waste are removed from the sand.
[00:20:54] At Gdańsk beach, a segregation campaign, there are tourists
[00:20:58] who do not need to be reminded that the place for waste is
[00:21:02] bins. It's unthinkable that someone would throw papers here,
[00:21:06] and yet there's quite a lot of it, not just papers. In Gdynia
[00:21:10] alone last year, 155
[00:21:12] tons of various types
[00:21:15] of waste were removed from the beaches, which can be compared to 10 empty
[00:21:19] trucks. From the beach, where it's clean, it's pleasant, but
[00:21:22] cleanliness costs, from the city's coffers, Gdynia spends about
[00:21:26] a million zlotys to maintain order and cleanliness on the
[00:21:29] beaches in summer, for comparison, Gdańsk allocates
[00:21:33] over 3 million for this purpose. This includes
[00:21:36] emptying waste containers, but also
[00:21:39] daily cleaning. It could still be cheaper.
[00:21:43] Coastal cities have launched a campaign, appealing to
[00:21:47] leave only footprints in the sand, and to take
[00:21:50] everything else with them. Of course, we take it to
[00:21:53] the nearest bin, there are also bins at every entrance to the
[00:21:57] beach, so you just need to throw it away, it's not a big
[00:22:00] philosophy, say those who do it, but there's a big
[00:22:03] appeal to the rest, to leave good memories
[00:22:07] instead of litter after beach relaxation.
[00:22:10] Weronika Bigus,
[00:22:12] 10:30 PM.
[00:22:15] Thousands of faithful have set off for Jasna
[00:22:17] Góra.
[00:22:20] The 14th Warsaw Walking Pilgrimage, one of the oldest in Poland.
[00:22:24] Pilgrims began their journey from the church of the Pauline Fathers under the motto
[00:22:27] "Behold Your Mother." Piotr
[00:22:30] Gierzyński has the details. The 315th Warsaw
[00:22:33] Walking Pilgrimage to Jasna Góra has already truly
[00:22:37] left Warsaw. Behind me, you can see some of the pilgrims who
[00:22:40] are traveling in segments and are traveling, it must be said,
[00:22:43] very quickly indeed. Now perhaps you can see what
[00:22:47] it looks like. There are songs, there are banners. There are smiling
[00:22:51] faces, but I also managed to talk to these people
[00:22:54] before they set off, let's hear
[00:22:57] why they set off and with what intentions? These are for me like
[00:23:00] retreats on the road and such a lifelong building of a relationship with
[00:23:04] God, I believe that such a relationship with God
[00:23:07] and faith is built throughout life, it is also
[00:23:11] a meeting with another person, learning to love
[00:23:15] that other person, you have to be here once, if someone dares once, they will
[00:23:19] do it again.
[00:23:50] with people we know, whom we see every year, yes, such
[00:23:53] longing comes every year, to meet again, for today, they plan to cover
[00:23:57] over 30 km, and so
[00:24:01] practically every day until August 14th, because
[00:24:04] on August 14th, the final of this pilgrimage will take place at
[00:24:08] Jasna Góra, intentions of all kinds, concerning
[00:24:11] family, but also concerning the country and homeland,
[00:24:15] these people walk with songs on their lips, with prayer,
[00:24:18] hopefully they will safely reach Jasna Góra, because
[00:24:22] let's remember that the heatwave is upon us, but they have hats, they have
[00:24:25] umbrellas, they have water, so they should all safely
[00:24:29] reach their destination.
[00:24:32] Now politics, Law and Justice without subsidy.
[00:24:36] The court dismissed the cassation, it concerns PiS's complaint regarding the inaction
[00:24:40] of the body not paying subsidies for the party by the
[00:24:43] Ministry of Finance. More on this from the Sejm now
[00:24:46] Adamina Sajkowska. Good morning, please remind our viewers
[00:24:50] of the case: indeed, the Supreme Administrative Court rejected the cassation
[00:24:54] regarding the subsidy for Law and Justice. PiS filed
[00:24:58] a complaint against the Ministry of Finance, which did not pay the third
[00:25:01] installment of the subsidy for this party. The court found that
[00:25:05] the decision of the State Electoral Commission to reject the party's financial
[00:25:09] report, indicating numerous irregularities during
[00:25:12] the election campaign in 2023, is
[00:25:15] a prerequisite for this subsidy, which was reduced,
[00:25:19] not to be paid to this party. These irregularities include, among
[00:25:23] other things, election agitation during military picnics, but
[00:25:26] also the employment of staff who were supposed to work substantively
[00:25:30] for the Government Legislation Center, and instead conducted the election campaign
[00:25:34] of its head, but it should also be mentioned
[00:25:37] that image spots were organized and displayed from the Justice Fund of the former
[00:25:41] Minister of Justice Zbigniew Ziobro, a very quick
[00:25:45] comment from Andrzej Domański's side
[00:25:49] Minister of Finance, after the decision of the Supreme Administrative
[00:25:52] Court, which wrote that it was a crushing verdict for PiS in the court
[00:25:56] case of subsidies, upheld, cassation dismissed,
[00:25:59] no doubt, another PiS
[00:26:03] zabrał również w mediach społecznościowych premier Donald Tusk, który
[00:26:07] napisał, tak jak mówiliśmy, dla przekręciarzy pieniędzy nie ma
[00:26:10] nie będzie. Dawno niewidziany poseł,
[00:26:13] europoseł, już były Prawa i Sprawiedliwości, Ryszard
[00:26:16] Czarnecki zabrał dzisiaj głos w sprawie decyzji
[00:26:19] Sądu. Na pewno
[00:26:22] działalność opozycji będzie przez
[00:26:25] to mniej
[00:26:26] intensywna,
[00:26:30] pytanie tylko, czy też to.
[00:26:34] nie zmusi prawicy do właśnie
[00:26:37] intensyfikacji funkcjonowania do większego pospolitego
[00:26:40] ruszenia do większej aktywności bez
[00:26:43] lie exposed. Prime Minister Donald Tusk also spoke out
[00:26:46] in social media, writing, as we said,
[00:26:49] there is no money for swindlers and there
[00:26:53] will be none. The long-unseen MP,
[00:26:56] former MEP of Law
[00:26:58] and Justice, Ryszard Czarnecki, spoke today
[00:27:03] about the court's decision. Certainly,
[00:27:06] the opposition's activity will be less
[00:27:09] intense due to this, but the question is whether
[00:27:13] this will not force the right to intensify
[00:27:17] its operations, to a greater general mobilization,
[00:27:20] to greater activity without finances. Deputy
[00:27:23] Speaker of the Senate Maciej Żywno from Poland 2050 said that
[00:27:27] the story of Law and Justice
[00:27:30] losing the subsidy will be used to say
[00:27:34] that the opposition is politically
[00:27:38] persecuted. Formally, the violation of legal
[00:27:42] provisions and the fact
[00:27:43] that Law and Justice
[00:27:46] illegally used public money also during
[00:27:50] the campaign has been confirmed. There is a
[00:27:53] verdict, there is a penalty, there will be no subsidy
[00:27:57] and it is good that this has been objectively
[00:28:00] assessed, but of course it will be difficult to expect
[00:28:04] that Law and Justice will not at least politically
[00:28:08] question this verdict,
[00:28:10] portraying themselves as persecuted. Let's talk
[00:28:14] about specific numbers, in 2024 Law and
[00:28:17] Justice received 15 million PLN in subsidies,
[00:28:20] which is over 10 million less than the
[00:28:24] subsidy would have been for the party for
[00:28:28] 2024. Adamina Sajkowska from the Sejm on this.
[00:28:32] Thank you very much for the report. Ladies
[00:28:35] and gentlemen, a year has passed since Karol
[00:28:39] Nawrocki took office as president. This is a
[00:28:42] good opportunity for summaries. The President's Chancellery
[00:28:45] writes about successes on its official website,
[00:28:49] but did everything go as planned
[00:28:52] in the election campaign? Paweł Aramowicz
[00:28:55] Zieliński, who is with me in the studio,
[00:28:58] checked that. I'll leave you with the
[00:29:02] plasma, tell us. Let's look at Karol
[00:29:06] Nawrocki's plan for his term, announced,
[00:29:09] let's recall, in March last year in Seligach,
[00:29:13] although even earlier there were other announcements,
[00:29:16] such as no income tax on overtime.
[00:29:20] Does anyone still remember this postulate? Karol
[00:29:23] Nawrocki only mentioned it once, then he
[00:29:27] remained silent. Karol Nawrocki created his
[00:29:31] plan, which he called
[00:29:32] sections, and in these Plan 21, because
[00:29:35] there were 21 postulates there. He divided
[00:29:38] them into four such
[00:29:41] sections there were, among others, a reduction
[00:29:45] of VAT to 22%. In this sphere of a normal
[00:29:48] state, as he called it, there was, among
[00:29:52] others, "Stop, Green Deal," "Safe childhood
[00:29:55] without ideology." In a safe Poland, we were
[00:29:59] to stop the migration pact and have effective
[00:30:05] civil defense. And when it comes to these
[00:30:09] robes, here among these points there
[00:30:13] was, for example, support for farmers
[00:30:16] and a ban on introducing any currency
[00:30:19] other than the Polish zloty in our country.
[00:30:23] We're talking about the euro, of course. Karol
[00:30:27] Nawrocki's most important election promises were
[00:30:30] cheaper electricity. You remember, within the first
[00:30:34] 100 days, our bills were supposed to decrease
[00:30:38] by 33%. Lower taxes, and this
[00:30:41] is a very broad issue, because in addition
[00:30:44] to lowering the VAT tax, there were also
[00:30:47] tax reliefs, for example, for families
[00:30:51] with at least two children. The
[00:30:54] great four of development, which is the construction
[00:30:58] of Polish nuclear power, the construction of a central
[00:31:01] communication port in the shape envisioned by the
[00:31:05] Law and Justice government,
[00:31:06] and stopping migration
[00:31:10] and the Green Deal. These were the four
[00:31:12] such blocks that Karol Nawrocki strongly pushed
[00:31:17] Let's look, because it turns out that
[00:31:20] on the very first day of his term,
[00:31:23] tomorrow we will celebrate the anniversary, he
[00:31:26] was supposed to introduce six draft laws
[00:31:29] to the Sejm, which concerned these three
[00:31:33] issues. Well, among others, there were
[00:31:36] pension valorizations, at least by 150 PLN,
[00:31:40] not less than the valorization index, reliefs
[00:31:43] for families, these mentioned tax changes
[00:31:47] for entrepreneurs, and that electricity cheaper
[00:31:50] by 33%. What of all these promises
[00:31:53] has been fulfilled? There is one point
[00:31:57] that President Karol Nawrocki fully managed
[00:32:01] to implement, and that is supporting farmers
[00:32:04] and caring for the Polish countryside, as
[00:32:07] stated in his program, because this concerns a
[00:32:10] project signed in March this year. Firstly,
[00:32:14] it concerns extending the ban on selling
[00:32:17] Polish land to foreigners by 10 years. Secondly,
[00:32:21] support for farmers in connection
[00:32:23] with the European Union
[00:32:30] signing a trade agreement with Mercosur countries.
[00:32:34] Karol Nawrocki still in the election campaign
[00:32:37] said that he would use tools that could
[00:32:41] influence the government, and that is why
[00:32:44] this cohabitation, which
[00:32:46] was difficult from the
[00:32:49] very beginning, was supposed to be easier for
[00:32:52] him, his projects were supposed to pass,
[00:32:55] but that did not happen, and one
[00:32:59] of the methods that Karol Nawrocki uses
[00:33:02] to put pressure on the government are
[00:33:06] vetos, and let's count how much these
[00:33:10] vetos cost, in terms of Ministry of
[00:33:12] Finance estimates, very loose, because the Ministry
[00:33:45] of Finance bases itself here on the
[00:33:49] costs that Poland could have incurred, it's
[00:33:53] over 5 billion PLN, because we have
[00:33:56] here: 1 billion for the veto regarding
[00:34:00] the blocking of the law increasing the
[00:34:03] sugar tax. Karol Nawrocki announced that
[00:34:06] he would not agree
[00:34:09] to raise taxes, and he did so.
[00:34:13] Almost 3 billion PLN next year,
[00:34:16] almost 2 billion this year, blocking
[00:34:19] the increase in excise duty on alcohol.
[00:34:22] In addition, there are hidden ones, such
[00:34:26] as the problem with alcoholism, and
[00:34:30] blocking changes in the judge monitoring system,
[00:34:33] 1 billion 200 million PLN, but
[00:34:36] vetos are not everything, because President
[00:34:40] Karol Nawrocki sometimes also refers laws
[00:34:44] to the Constitutional Tribunal, and depending
[00:34:47] on the mode, then these costs
[00:34:50] must be calculated. 4 billion PLN
[00:34:53] is the cost of blocking the last law
[00:34:57] concerning these extraordinary profits of fuel
[00:35:01] concerns in connection with market turmoil.
[00:35:04] This was referred to the Constitutional Tribunal.
[00:35:07] Approximately this much the state budget lost.
[00:35:11] Paweł Aramowicz Zieliński on a year of Karol
[00:35:15] Nawrocki's presidency. Thank you very much for
[00:35:18] these detailed information. German services are conducting
[00:35:22] intensive operations after a drone with explosive
[00:35:25] material was detected at Liebsk Hale Airport.
[00:35:29] The head of the German Interior Ministry
[00:35:32] interrupted his vacation. The explosion did not
[00:35:36] occur only because the detonator failed,
[00:35:39] and investigators are examining whether it was
[00:35:43] part of a hybrid
[00:35:46] attack. The investigation is being conducted by
[00:35:50] the Dresden Public Prosecutor's Office and
[00:35:53] the Saxon Criminal Police. The drone
[00:35:57] was found near Ukrainian transport planes, almost
[00:36:01] at the same time a DHL Cargo plane
[00:36:04] collided with an unidentified object after
[00:36:07] takeoff and had to make an emergency landing
[00:36:10] in Hanover. The German Interior Minister
[00:36:14] assessed that everything
[00:36:19] indicates a new type of threat
[00:36:22] related to hybrid attacks and admitted
[00:36:25] that apparently... A drone equipped
[00:36:29] with explosives was detected near Leipzig
[00:36:33] airport. This means a new level of
[00:36:37] threat. In the past, we have already had
[00:36:40] cases of detecting drones and threats
[00:36:44] associated with them, also in the context
[00:36:47] of hybrid actions. However, the appearance
[00:36:50] of a drone armed with explosives on
[00:36:54] the airport grounds constitutes a completely
[00:36:57] new threat scenario. Russia is most likely behind the incident
[00:37:01] with the armed drone at Leipzig airport.
[00:37:04] This is what the
[00:37:05] German press comments.
[00:37:08] The head of the German Interior Ministry
[00:37:12] said that the incident constitutes a new
[00:37:15] quality of threat in hybrid warfare.
[00:37:18] From Leipzig, Mateusz Bęż. Here at the
[00:37:22] airport in German Leipzig, the services are on high
[00:37:25] alert. The incident
[00:37:37] involving the Antonov transport plane occurred
[00:37:40] on the night of Tuesday to Wednesday.
[00:37:44] Around 11:30 p.m., the services received information that a
[00:37:47] drone with a payload was found
[00:37:50] near one of these planes. Of
[00:37:52] course, sappers appeared on site, but
[00:37:56] it was determined that this drone had a
[00:38:00] damaged transmitter, and therefore, the explosion
[00:38:04] did not occur. All services, of
[00:38:08] course, appeared on site and are still
[00:38:12] investigating the circumstances of this event, but
[00:38:16] this is not the only incident that occurred here
[00:38:19] in Germany, because a few kilometers
[00:38:23] from this airport, at an altitude of
[00:38:26] about 400 meters
[00:38:39] above the ground, another plane hit another drone. It managed to land at the airport in German Hanover, it had a damaged front
[00:38:43] and its examination is also underway.
[00:38:45] The services here are still investigating
[00:38:49] the circumstances of these incidents, which
[00:38:52] occurred, among others, at Leipzig airport.
[00:38:55] It is worth adding that these Antonov
[00:38:58] transport planes have been here since the
[00:39:01] beginning of the war in Ukraine, they
[00:39:04] were moved here, this is their main
[00:39:08] base, but so far there have been no
[00:39:11] such dangerous incidents, and the services,
[00:39:15] including the prosecution and the German authorities,
[00:39:18] will investigate the causes of these
[00:39:22] incidents. Now Ukraine in Ostrówki, Ukraine,
[00:39:25] the last day of exhumation of victims
[00:39:28] of the Volhynian Massacre. Research
[00:39:31] work was conducted for a month,
[00:39:33] with representatives of the Institute of National
[00:39:37] Remembrance and the Ministry of Culture
[00:39:40] and National Heritage participating. So far, archaeologists have unearthed
[00:39:44] 55 remains of Poles, victims of
[00:39:47] the Volhynian Massacre. More details from Beata
[00:39:51] Wolańska and her guest. This place,
[00:39:54] where there once was a non-existent
[00:39:58] farm, just as it no longer exists.
[00:40:02] On August 30, 1943, a large
[00:40:04] part of the exhumation work, which is still
[00:40:08] ongoing today, took place right
[00:40:11] here. And this bronze cross was
[00:40:14] erected literally a week ago, when the recovery of
[00:40:18] remains from this very place was
[00:40:22] completed, although exhumation work was actually
[00:40:25] carried out earlier in the 90s.
[00:40:29] Dr. Leon Popek knows this best.
[00:40:32] This is a place where there were
[00:40:36] many bodies, human remains. Yes, in
[00:40:39] this place, under that pear tree
[00:40:43] that remembers those times, behind the
[00:40:46] barn, a large pit was dug,
[00:40:50] 12 meters long, 2.5 meters wide,
[00:40:53] only 70 cm deep. And it
[00:40:57] was the inhabitants, men first, gathered
[00:41:00] at the school, in the school
[00:41:03] yard, who were brought here under
[00:41:07] the pretext of medical examinations, a medical
[00:41:10] commission. Some Polish-Ukrainian unit was supposed
[00:41:14] to be formed to fight the Germans.
[00:41:17] Here in this barn, they were undressed,
[00:41:21] with stakes, clubs, but in any
[00:41:24] case, without the use of firearms.
[00:41:28] We know that from that pit
[00:41:33] remains of 243 people, mainly men,
[00:41:37] but in this group there were also
[00:41:40] 29 women, I'm sorry, 26 women
[00:41:44] and 19. These exhumations, which are
[00:41:46] just ending, led to you finding
[00:41:50] further remains, which had been confirmed
[00:41:53] by previous search work. It seems
[00:41:57] to be the same place, right?
[00:42:00] Yes, but back in 1992 and later, we
[00:42:03] didn't know about this place, because
[00:42:06] it wasn't until 2017 that
[00:42:10] we purchased an aerial photograph from American archives, a
[00:42:14] photograph from May
[00:42:16] 1944. And on that photograph, the
[00:42:19] pit behind the barn was marked,
[00:42:23] and a very similar, slightly smaller one
[00:42:26] next to it. And Irena Kozłowska's
[00:42:30] account, a teacher who, in a
[00:42:33] letter to her cousin, describes
[00:42:37] how men were taken, including her
[00:42:40] husband. Later, more people are
[00:42:43] taken. There are no more men,
[00:42:47] so they take women and children,
[00:42:50] leading them in the same direction,
[00:42:53] and she writes: "Only 50 of
[00:42:56] us are left." The question was,
[00:43:00] where were they leading these women
[00:43:03] and children in the same direction,
[00:43:06] meaning somewhere here? This aerial photograph,
[00:43:17] this account, convinced us that we
[00:43:21] had to search, we had to search
[00:43:24] in this place. And indeed, in
[00:43:28] April of this year, on the very first day
[00:43:32] of the search, we came across
[00:43:35] this mass grave, and in July,
[00:43:37] the exhumation confirmed
[00:43:49] that it contained 48 people, mostly
[00:43:52] women and children. Is there relief?
[00:43:56] Yes, there is. There is relief
[00:43:59] that more people have been found
[00:44:03] and will be buried according to Christian rites. But there
[00:44:07] is also a
[00:44:10] certain sense of disappointment, because
[00:44:13] we were looking for a well
[00:44:17] in the vicinity here. A witness
[00:44:20] saw a well full of corpses.
[00:44:24] We are still missing about 100
[00:44:27] people from Wola Ostrowiecka. About
[00:44:31] 100 people. If we even subtract
[00:44:34] the 48 exhumed people, there should
[00:44:38] be almost 50 here, about 50.
[00:44:41] We are looking for this well.
[00:44:45] We found one outside the farm,
[00:44:48] but it was a farm well for
[00:44:51] watering cattle. We searched down to
[00:44:54] the source, there were no human
[00:44:58] remains. We found another pit. We
[00:45:01] thought it was a well, but
[00:45:05] it turned out to be a
[00:45:08] farm dump. All these places have
[00:45:12] been searched, dug up. The well
[00:45:14] is still somewhere and we will
[00:45:18] look for it. We have to look
[00:45:22] for it. Thank you very much.
[00:45:25] These searches are ongoing, and the
[00:45:29] teams that carried out the exhumations,
[00:45:32] as well as the search teams, are
[00:45:35] convinced that they will certainly return
[00:45:38] here as soon as they have
[00:45:41] permission. And as part of these
[00:45:44] exhumation works, which are just
[00:45:48] ending, a total of three such
[00:45:51] previously confirmed places were searched,
[00:45:54] and remains of 55 people were
[00:45:58] found there. On August 30, on
[00:46:01] the anniversary of
[00:46:03] the crime, all
[00:46:06] will be honorably buried. Beata
[00:46:09] Wolańska and her guest on this.
[00:46:13] After eight decades since the end
[00:46:16] of World War II, Belgium will
[00:46:19] face a historical reckoning with its
[00:46:23] own past. A lawsuit has been
[00:46:26] filed against the Belgian state national
[00:46:29] railway carrier in connection with the
[00:46:32] transportation of Jews to the German
[00:46:36] extermination camp Auschwitz-Birkenau. Dorota Pawołek is
[00:46:40] with us. Welcome, Dorota. Good morning.
[00:46:44] Tell us what
[00:46:46] compensation the plaintiffs are seeking and how
[00:46:49] this case is perceived in Belgium?
[00:46:58] Well, this information about the lawsuit
[00:47:01] sparked a wide debate in Belgian
[00:47:04] society, a lot of controversy. In
[00:47:08] fact, all Belgian media reported on
[00:47:12] this information. Local Jews have been
[00:47:16] talking about compensation for years, but
[00:47:19] this decision to file a lawsuit
[00:47:23] was actually prompted
[00:47:32] by the latest findings of Belgian
[00:47:35] historians, who documented the fact that
[00:47:39] Belgian state railways received payment for
[00:47:42] a total of 28 transports to Auschwitz
[00:47:45] between August 1942 and July 1944.
[00:47:48] These transports took almost 26,000 Belgian
[00:47:52] Jews, Roma, and political prisoners to
[00:47:56] the concentration camp. The payment is estimated
[00:48:00] to have been around 15 million
[00:48:03] euros. Therefore, following the example
[00:48:06] of the Netherlands and France, where
[00:48:09] local railways have already paid such
[00:48:12] compensation to Jews and their descendants
[00:48:16] (in the case of the French,
[00:48:20] almost 50 million; in the case
[00:48:22] of the Dutch,
[00:48:25] over 30 million euros), Belgian
[00:48:27] Jews also decided
[00:48:30] to file a lawsuit for such
[00:48:33] claims. Unnecessary, according to Belgian
[00:48:37] historians, who believe that official apologies
[00:48:40] might have been enough, especially since,
[00:48:43] as they emphasize, history is never
[00:48:47] black and white, and Belgian railways
[00:48:50] explain that in those wagons to
[00:48:53] Auschwitz... Jews say that a symbolic
[00:48:57] amount is enough for them, the
[00:49:00] amount they are seeking in the
[00:49:03] lawsuit. But experts point out that
[00:49:06] this may only be a procedural
[00:49:10] strategy, because if the verdict is
[00:49:14] ultimately favorable to them, it could
[00:49:17] open the way for multi-million dollar
[00:49:20] claims. Dorota Bawołek from Brussels on
[00:49:52] this. Dorota, thank you very much
[00:49:56] for this report. And we return,
[00:49:59] ladies and gentlemen, to the information about
[00:50:03] the securing by the regional prosecutor's
[00:50:06] office in Rzeszów of the assets of
[00:50:10] Maciej Świrski, the former head of the
[00:50:13] National Broadcasting Council. We are moving
[00:50:17] to the Sejm, where Magdalena Pernet
[00:50:20] is. Welcome, Magda. Good morning. Tell
[00:50:24] us how politicians in the Sejm
[00:50:28] are commenting on this matter. Strictly
[00:50:31] speaking, just so there's no uncertainty,
[00:50:35] let's briefly remind ourselves what this
[00:50:38] Świrski was the head of the Polish National Foundation, well, it exists, it is, no matter how you look at it, a state institution, of the State Treasury, and it was this institution that organized the so-called "Just Courts" campaign, and these were billboards, let's remember what was on these billboards, among other things, slogans such as "Drunk judge caused a disturbance in a club," another slogan: "Judge and wife stole electronics," another: "Judge stole trousers," another: "Judge can lie with impunity." Well, an attempt to discredit judges, what was it about, I will now ask the Deputy Speaker of the Senate Maciej Żywno, Poland 2050, he is already with me, good morning Mr. Speaker, good morning, welcome very much, Mr. Speaker, a first question, well, are state institutions for conducting such campaigns, well, it was probably an open discreditation of the judicial environment, what was its purpose? As you can see, even the prosecutorial and judicial proceedings indicate that it was at least illegal, but for everyone who is familiar with the activities of non-governmental organizations, including associations and foundations, they know that they can spend funds in accordance with their statutory purpose, and the aforementioned foundation was not intended to refer to any elements of the judiciary in Poland, but to promote Poland abroad. Here, it is clear as day that it was the use of public money, because that is how the foundation was financed, public money to discredit Polish judges and attack them, it is very good that this has consequences, I will even say a little maliciously, because as I recall, during the time of Law and Justice, regulations were introduced enabling the securing of assets or freezing the account of a suspect. Therefore, one would like to say, whoever lives by the sword, may not die by the sword, but is secured, this is also an important element, because incidentally, when it comes to whether Mr. Świrski was guilty or not, as citizens we should expect the possibility of recovering these funds, and why not from the assets of the person who committed a potential crime, i.e. the decision of the prosecutor's office is rather justified and shows that the matter is being taken seriously, well, first of all, the decision was made in accordance with the law, I repeat, adopted in the previous term, i.e. when Law and Justice had a majority and was in government. The prosecutor's office had every right to secure funds for the purpose of these proceedings, and it's very good that this happened. Not too late? Whether it's too late is, of course, a matter of the prosecutor's office's work, but it seems that in these proceedings, too, the formula, which will probably also be reflected in court, is being carefully applied so that it is not. We would all like it sooner, but the fact remains that there will be consequences, thank you very much for this commentary, my guest now was the Deputy Speaker of the Senate Maciej Żywno, Poland 2050, Mr. Speaker, thank you very much again, with our guest in the Senate Magdalena Pernet spoke, thank you for this conversation. On the line, Przemysław Rosatti, lawyer and president of the Supreme Bar Council, member of the State Tribunal, welcome very much Mr. Advocate, welcome Mr. President, good morning, welcome everyone, we hear each other, I am very happy, well, the regional prosecutor's office in Rzeszów is securing the assets of Maciej Świrski, I remind you, the former head of the National Broadcasting Council, but this is about the well-known "Just Courts" campaign, which Magda from the Senate already briefly mentioned. What are the consequences of such a security? First of all, I think it needs to be clearly reiterated, it was a scandalous campaign, which was aimed not only at attacking the judicial community, but above all at lowering citizens' trust in the judiciary, and I, partially not answering your question, clearly emphasize, these were actions that should never have taken place. Because they harmed the interests of all citizens, i.e. trust in their own state, here I am talking about the judiciary, answering your question, I will say this, it is not an extraordinary or some special procedure, it is a typical, in accordance with the provisions of the code of criminal procedure, action of the prosecutor's office in a situation where, in relation to the person against whom proceedings are being conducted, a fine, forfeiture, or monetary payment, i.e. funds, may be imposed in the future. I will ask, because this means
[00:50:42] that the prosecutor's office has strong grounds for such an
[00:50:46] action, or am I going in the wrong
[00:50:48] direction? In a very good one, Mr. Editor, are you going in the right direction?
[00:50:52] If the prosecutor uses this solution, which is provided for in the code
[00:50:56] of criminal procedure, it means that he believes that the conditions have been met
[00:51:00] allowing for the application of so-called financial security, which is de
[00:51:03] facto security for the possibility of executing a future ruling
[00:51:07] that will involve financial consequences for Mr.
[00:51:11] Świrski. Please also remember that when the prosecutor uses this solution, he
[00:51:15] expects that it will be appealed to the court, and therefore
[00:51:18] he must assume that the conditions
[00:51:21] are met. And that this decision in the form of
[00:51:25] asset protection will be upheld in court, so, as it were,
[00:51:29] answering your question again, you are leading the argument
[00:51:33] in the right direction regarding the justification, the situation
[00:51:36] of the prosecutor's office in relation to this specific proceeding, I will
[00:51:39] repeat once again, this is a normal, standard procedure, this is how
[00:51:43] the Polish state should act, when it becomes necessary
[00:51:47] to secure financial interests in the
[00:51:50] context of a future ruling that may... be issued, well, the Polish
[00:51:53] state must be effective, court judgments, if they are issued in the
[00:51:57] future, must also be executable, it is not about
[00:52:00] it being only illusory justice.
[00:52:04] leading to a situation
[00:52:09] that is defined
[00:52:12] in the Code of Criminal Procedure as precisely a safeguard for
[00:52:16] future possible decisions, to put it broadly, of a
[00:52:19] financial nature that will need to be executed.
[00:52:23] Well, the question that is already appearing in the public sphere is,
[00:52:27] isn't the prosecutor's office dealing with this
[00:52:28] too late?
[00:52:31] This is a very good question in relation to many actions of the prosecutor's office.
[00:52:35] But we must also honestly say that we do not know the files of this proceeding, and
[00:52:39] therefore it is difficult for us
[00:52:42] to determine, even in our conversation, whether
[00:52:46] this action is belated, or whether it may
[00:52:49] result from some circumstances related
[00:52:52] to the ongoing proceedings, I can refer to my own
[00:52:55] experience, I am thinking here about practicing as a
[00:52:58] lawyer, there are a number of circumstances that determine
[00:53:01] taking specific actions at a given moment... in the
[00:53:05] Code of Criminal Procedure, solutions, here please also remember
[00:53:08] that the decision-maker, regarding these measures, regarding
[00:53:12] taking the decision, is the prosecutor, because it is the prosecutor who takes
[00:53:16] the decision when he makes asset protection,
[00:53:19] we can only basically reduce this comment to such
[00:53:22] a statement that since the prosecutor resorted to these measures at this
[00:53:26] stage, it means that he considered that this is the stage
[00:53:29] that deserves the introduction of such
[00:53:32] a solution in this specific proceeding, it is very difficult for us
[00:53:35] to assess, because as I said, we do not know the files, so it is difficult to
[00:53:38] comment without knowing the files on whether this is
[00:53:42] a good time, or whether it should have been carried out earlier, or perhaps
[00:53:45] later, we shall see, please also remember, what I said, the court
[00:53:49] will also verify this, if Mr.
[00:53:53] Świrski files an appeal against the prosecutor's decision, it is clear,
[00:53:56] Mr. President, the prosecutor's office is conducting
[00:54:00] an investigation into the "Just Courts" campaign of the Polish National
[00:54:03] Foundation. You probably remember this campaign and
[00:54:07] what it was about?
[00:54:10] Mr. Editor, I remember it perfectly, first
[00:54:12] of all, those that one could see, it personally
[00:54:16] outraged me, I believe that any action that
[00:54:20] undermines the foundations, and that foundation is the trust of citizens in
[00:54:23] their own state, or here it was about undermining the trust
[00:54:26] in the justice system, it was about undermining the trust
[00:54:29] in judges, but also
[00:54:33] it inevitably...
[00:54:52] but there is absolutely never any basis to discredit any community, because now you see, for
[00:54:55] example, what could be seen a few years ago on
[00:54:59] billboards while driving a car across Poland, but there is absolutely
[00:55:03] no...
[00:55:05] to attack any group just
[00:55:08] because there are one, two, or 5 or 10 people
[00:55:12] out of a thousand who behave in
[00:55:15] a manner contrary to the regulations, this campaign was precisely
[00:55:18] aimed at the justice system, what
[00:55:21] personally worries me the most, but honestly
[00:55:24] speaking, infuriates me, is
[00:55:27] an action that aims to erode
[00:55:30] citizens' trust in the justice system, i.e., to erode
[00:55:34] trust in... their own state, these are unacceptable
[00:55:37] actions, these are actions that should not take place, and please note
[00:55:41] one more thing, these were actions that, to a
[00:55:44] large extent, should be classified as
[00:55:47] actions behind which the Polish state stood, meaning
[00:55:51] the Polish state, in the light and eyes of citizens, undermined
[00:55:54] the trust of these citizens
[00:55:57] in their state, in the Polish state, this was,
[00:56:01] this is our state, this was our state, this is
[00:56:04] our. trust in our state, and it is extremely dangerous that someone came up with
[00:56:08] such an idea, that someone participated in
[00:56:11] such a procedure, supported such a procedure, or took
[00:56:14] any actions thanks to which it was possible
[00:56:18] to hang, for example, these billboards that you now see,
[00:56:22] such, such actions are not pro-state
[00:56:25] actions, these are simply harmful actions, they should
[00:56:29] be held accountable, if a crime has been committed, then
[00:56:33] the court should comment on this
[00:56:43] and it must also be remembered that he has the right for this matter to be resolved by a court,
[00:56:47] the presumption of innocence applies to these people, these
[00:56:50] people have the right to a fair proceeding conducted before
[00:56:54] a court, however, this type,
[00:56:58] harmful, should be clarified beyond any doubt
[00:57:02] and accounted for. Przemysław.
[00:57:05] Rosati, lawyer, president of the Supreme Bar Council and member of the State Tribunal
[00:57:09] was my guest and yours. Thank you very much.
[00:57:12] Thank you very much. And now Arkadiusz Gruszczyński, journalist
[00:57:16] of Gazeta Wyborcza, is with us. Welcome. Ark, a warm welcome, good morning, good morning,
[00:57:20] welcome, perhaps I will
[00:57:24] this question journalistically, has the prosecutor's office not
[00:57:27] dealt with this issue too late? Well,
[00:57:30] it depends on how you approach such a
[00:57:34] question, because of course malcontents and people
[00:57:37] who expect the state to
[00:57:40] act efficiently, quickly, effectively, to
[00:57:44] put all other matters aside and deal with accountability,
[00:57:48] may feel a certain kind of irritation, anxiety, that this is
[00:57:52] only happening three years after the coalition took power
[00:57:55] on October 15th, even though the matters
[00:57:58] we are discussing today, which are related
[00:58:02] to the Polish National Foundation, have been
[00:58:05] well known for many, many years,
[00:58:09] however, I would also put forward the thesis that
[00:58:13] part of public opinion prefers
[00:58:17] the prosecutor's office to act independently, at its own pace
[00:58:20] and that these
[00:58:23] indictments that are being prepared, these
[00:58:26] actions of the prosecutor's office that are being taken, these
[00:58:29] decisions that we are witnessing today, were
[00:58:32] prepared meticulously and reliably, but there
[00:58:35] is also a third aspect that we must remember, recently one of the very
[00:58:39] important
[00:58:39] ministers,
[00:58:44] yes Ark, we hear you, or no, we hear you.
[00:58:50] There is still one element that one of the very important ministers told me about recently,
[00:58:53] who convinced Waldemar Żurek, and
[00:58:57] earlier Adam Bodnar, to choose 10
[00:59:00] cases related to the activities
[00:59:04] of the previous government and that as the Prosecutor General, who has
[00:59:07] the right to do so, he should personally supervise these cases, then
[00:59:11] we would be dealing with
[00:59:14] an acceleration of accountability for Law and Justice.
[00:59:19] let's say, because this case concerns the Polish National
[00:59:22] Foundation, perhaps you could remind us in two sentences what this foundation
[00:59:26] was and what it did?
[00:59:29] It was a foundation that was established in the times
[00:59:32] of Szydło, the first prime minister after
[00:59:35] 2015, it was a foundation conceived
[00:59:39] as a governmental
[00:59:43] organization supported by money from state-owned
[00:59:46] companies, these companies were obliged to
[00:59:50] transfer annual donations
[00:59:54] for the activities of this foundation. This
[00:59:57] organization was primarily intended to promote
[01:00:00] Poland abroad, to promote the Polish brand abroad,
[01:00:04] what Poland
[01:00:07] could boast of then,
[01:00:10] investments, an open market, tourism,
[01:00:14] how Poland... was
[01:00:18] developing, quickly, however, it turned out that this
[01:00:21] foundation carried out political orders of Law
[01:00:25] and Justice, especially at the moment
[01:00:28] when it carried out a slanderous
[01:00:32] judges, slanderous judges
[01:00:35] PR campaign,
[01:00:38] well, it was inconsistent with
[01:00:42] the assumptions that lay at the basis of the establishment of this
[01:00:45] foundation, interestingly, this foundation... still exists today, it cannot
[01:00:49] be liquidated without legislative
[01:00:51] changes,
[01:00:54] its current bosses have repeatedly said what the money was
[01:00:57] spent on, what it was really wasted
[01:01:01] on, because Poland's reputation during
[01:01:04] 8 years of Law and Justice rule, thanks to the activities
[01:01:08] of the Polish National Foundation, did not improve, on the
[01:01:11] contrary, it worsened, because the bad
[01:01:14] reputation of Poland was due to the previous government, which... destroyed
[01:01:18] the rule of law, the justice system, freedom, media, and so
[01:01:21] on, and no PR activities of the foundation
[01:01:24] could change this disastrous image of Poland
[01:01:27] on the international arena. Arkadiusz Gruszczyński, journalist of Gazeta
[01:01:31] Wyborcza, thank you very much for this comment, for more political
[01:01:35] comments, we now turn to Adamina Sajkowska,
[01:01:38] who is already waiting for you with her guest. Why
[01:01:41] did the regional prosecutor's office in Rzeszów secure the assets
[01:01:45] of the former president of the Polish National Foundation?
[01:01:51] And what was the "Just Courts" campaign about? I will discuss this with my guest, Senator of the Civic Coalition,
[01:01:55] Krzysztof Kwiatkowski, good morning, Mr. Senator, good morning, Editor,
[01:01:58] good morning to you all. The Polish National Foundation was supposed to promote
[01:02:02] Poland's image abroad, and what was it really
[01:02:04] doing? It was involved in supporting
[01:02:07] PiS political campaigns, when PiS went to war with
[01:02:11] judges, because judges did not want to be subordinated to
[01:02:14] the political will of Minister Ziobro, then
[01:02:18] the Polish National Foundation financed a campaign
[01:02:22] slandering judges, these were the famous billboards on the
[01:02:25] streets of many Polish cities, that 10
[01:02:28] judges, there was one who stole parts for a
[01:02:32] drill or a coil of
[01:02:35] sausage. What was it for, not to build Poland's
[01:02:38] image, but to attack judges, because that was the political
[01:02:41] interest. Billboards were supposed to explain to society how
[01:02:45] the reform of the justice system would proceed. Meanwhile, on billboards
[01:02:49] we could read: drunk judge causing trouble in a club, judge and wife
[01:02:52] stealing electronics, judge stealing trousers, judge can lie
[01:02:56] with impunity. So what was it? This promotion
[01:03:00] of justice reform,
[01:03:04] the slogan that this money was spent on promoting the reform
[01:03:07] of the justice system, is of course
[01:03:10] a political sham, a falsehood, a lie and hypocrisy,
[01:03:14] because it had nothing to do with the reform
[01:03:17] of the justice system, what goals and interests
[01:03:20] PiS was pursuing at that time was at war with judges, so
[01:03:24] it had to present the other side
[01:03:27] as bad, dangerous,
[01:03:31] involved in various things that look bad,
[01:03:35] from trousers in a shop to
[01:03:38] a brawl, well that's what the Polish National
[01:03:42] Foundation did, the government could not finance it, because it couldn't
[01:03:45] be attributed to anything, but there was one such person, his
[01:03:49] name was Maciej Świrski, who decided to take it
[01:03:53] upon himself, without looking at the consequences, and today he has
[01:03:56] to face those consequences.
[01:04:00] Half a million zlotys in losses, that's how much the Polish National
[01:04:03] Foundation, from 17 State Treasury companies, spent
[01:04:06] and allocated to these campaigns
[01:04:09] inconsistently with the foundation's statute
[01:04:12] of activity. Was it a natural move by the prosecution that
[01:04:16] the assets of the former head of this foundation were secured?
[01:04:20] When the prosecutor uses such a solution as
[01:04:24] asset protection, when there is a very high
[01:04:26] probability that the convicted person... in this
[01:04:30] case Maciej Świrski, chairman of the board of the Polish Foundation, member
[01:04:34] of the authorities of the Polish National Foundation,
[01:04:36] may be obliged by a court decision
[01:04:40] to repair the damage caused, the damage was
[01:04:43] financial damage, so that Maciej
[01:04:47] Świrski could fulfill this,
[01:04:49] the prosecutor decided to secure his assets, also
[01:04:53] guided by the fact that Maciej Świrski,
[01:04:57] money does not stick to him, we remember. He spent
[01:05:01] half a million zlotys from his company card on luxury
[01:05:04] restaurants and the best hotels, so it is worth securing
[01:05:07] these assets so that they do not vanish
[01:05:11] when there is a court decision to cover these
[01:05:14] losses caused by Maciej Świrski, so that there is something
[01:05:18] to cover those losses with. Everything is now, of course, in the hands
[01:05:21] of investigators and the prosecution, thank you very much for your comment, my guest
[01:05:25] was Senator of the Civic Coalition, Krzysztof
[01:05:27] Kwiatkowski. Adamina Sajkowska spoke
[01:05:31] with our guest. Five past twelve, Mirosław Cichy will be back with you tomorrow, thank you
[01:05:35] very much, and now Joasia Monkosa takes over the airwaves. See
[01:05:38] you.
[01:05:44] Good morning, everyone, Joanna Monkosa, welcome to the news at exactly
[01:05:47] 1:00 PM.