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[00:00:00] And that's the end of our overview, but I encourage you to stay with TVP Info, Dominika Sitnicka
[00:00:03] and Kontrapunkt are coming up now, we'll see you in the evening edition at
[00:00:07] 9:45 PM. See you later.
[00:00:32] operates when it comes to
[00:01:00] Berberany Karol Tadeusz
[00:01:02] Nawski,
[00:01:05] so help me
[00:01:06] God,
[00:01:14] I do not agree to the introduction through the back door of civil
[00:01:17] partnerships that are supposed to replace or
[00:01:21] government to supplant the institution of marriage.
[00:01:24] I have decided to withdraw the Order of the White Eagle
[00:01:28] from the President of Ukraine. This decision is not against
[00:01:32] the Ukrainian
[00:01:32] nation,
[00:01:36] I will not sign a bill that strikes at our
[00:01:38] sovereignty.
[00:01:43] Good morning, Dominika Sitnicka, I welcome you very warmly to the program
[00:01:47] Kontrapunkt. Today we will discuss the year of Karol
[00:01:50] Nawrocki's presidency, and with me in the studio are our
[00:01:53] guests, Dr. Jowanka Jakubek Lalik, lawyer, political scientist,
[00:01:57] University of Warsaw. Good morning. Good morning. Marcin Piasecki,
[00:02:01] a blockade when it comes to Rzeczpospolita. Good morning. Good morning. Now, of course, a few words
[00:02:05] of explanation: in front of the Presidential Palace, celebrations
[00:02:08] are taking place of the anniversary of the swearing-in, or the anniversary of
[00:02:12] Karol Nawrocki's presidency. In a moment, we'll probably also see in the frames what's
[00:02:16] happening there. Currently, there's a debate with journalists,
[00:02:20] publicists. As I understand, because we don't know
[00:02:23] what conversations are taking place there, but it concerns this
[00:02:26] presidency. Also President Karol Nawrocki, of course.
[00:02:30] voice and then we will probably direct you to
[00:02:34] the presidential palace, but that hasn't happened yet,
[00:02:37] so at the moment we can talk calmly
[00:02:41] for a bit, so I'll ask you first about the whole
[00:02:44] format of such a celebration, quite a grand anniversary,
[00:02:48] not of an election, but of the anniversary of the
[00:02:51] presidency. It's somewhat compared to an
[00:02:54] American style of conducting politics, Doctor, how do
[00:02:58] you perceive it?
[00:03:08] his personal ones with President Donald Trump, so it's not
[00:03:11] surprising that he wants to solemnly celebrate the anniversary
[00:03:15] of taking up this important office. The convention
[00:03:18] entrepreneurs and Poles are waiting for itself, the formula itself, is indeed
[00:03:20] oil and interesting, it has not been practiced in Poland before, but also
[00:03:23] the presidency is exceptional, one could
[00:03:27] say, the president is exceptionally active.
[00:03:30] politician who acts in a very visible,
[00:03:34] very proactive way, sometimes even
[00:03:36] quite aggressive, one could say, in terms of such a political language,
[00:03:40] so hence probably such a convention, because some also
[00:03:44] believe that this is a symptom of, well, a bit of
[00:03:47] self-celebration, well, firstly, we haven't had such a
[00:03:51] case yet, for the president to celebrate an anniversary, not a term,
[00:03:54] some jubilee, not even,
[00:03:58] well, I don't know, governments that celebrate the first anniversary
[00:04:02] of their, their rule, well, it's like we are probably witnessing
[00:04:05] the birth of a new secular tradition, that is, the anniversary of taking office
[00:04:09] by the president, the question
[00:04:12] is whether it will be Karol Nawrocki, only during Karol Nawrocki's term,
[00:04:16] or whether subsequent presidents will also celebrate in
[00:04:20] this way, but it is an event that, in my opinion, fits
[00:04:23] very nicely with this presidency, that is, it suits
[00:04:27] it very well. Karol Nawrocki is.
[00:04:30] strong, he has some patterns in the world, strong
[00:04:33] in, well, the promotion of himself,
[00:04:37] so, well, if there is this kind of location, why not
[00:04:40] use it? Of course, the question is, what will
[00:04:44] come of it? Well, I don't know, maybe something important will be said during
[00:04:48] the president's speech, maybe
[00:04:50] the most important element of this event
[00:04:54] will be an artistic performance, there is also supposed to be an artistic
[00:04:57] performance, well, a surprise here, because we don't know at...
[00:05:01] Yes, publicists, journalists, people
[00:05:04] are just vying with each other to guess what kind
[00:05:07] of performance it will be, yes, I am also very curious, but precisely, because
[00:05:11] you mentioned that... I thought
[00:05:16] for a moment that it was also about support, because indeed in recent days or
[00:05:20] even weeks, many polls were published that showed
[00:05:24] what kind of support the president enjoys. Two weeks ago, a
[00:05:27] CBOS study was published, in which
[00:05:31] 56% of Polish women and men rated him positively,
[00:05:34] very similar results were also recorded by other polling agencies,
[00:05:38] these are also his record results, it wasn't like that a year
[00:05:41] ago... shortly after taking office, it wasn't like that during
[00:05:45] this year, what do you think, Doctor, is the reason
[00:05:48] for such support?
[00:05:51] Well, as a rule, presidents have an easier time when it comes to
[00:05:55] building their support, than, for example, prime ministers, because their
[00:05:58] function is different, it does not concern current politics,
[00:06:02] the president can place himself above
[00:06:05] certain current issues, build his authority, when it
[00:06:09] comes to such matters integrating the state,
[00:06:12] showing a certain continuity and cohesion, which
[00:06:16] President Nawrocki certainly does not do, but I wanted to point
[00:06:19] out that the function itself already helps to
[00:06:23] build support and these polls also, well, certainly
[00:06:27] Karol Nawrocki did not have an easy start, because he was an unknown
[00:06:30] politician, de facto a year before the presidential
[00:06:34] election campaign, probably few people in
[00:06:37] Poland had heard of him, apart from people who actually followed politics very closely.
[00:06:40] As a result, he basically had to
[00:06:44] build himself, his position, his image from
[00:06:47] scratch, so he builds such an image
[00:06:50] of a strong politician, a very
[00:06:53] active politician, a politician who is strongly embedded
[00:06:56] in such a masculine political
[00:06:59] discourse, which probably appeals to some part of society, simply put, I would also
[00:07:03] refer to this strength,
[00:07:06] and these other reasons for which this support could also increase, that will be
[00:07:10] in a moment, but precisely with this strength and this... what kind
[00:07:13] of institutional function does the president perform, because this is also one of
[00:07:17] such threads of accusation from the government, very
[00:07:21] often that the president tries to expand his
[00:07:24] powers, well, after all, each time
[00:07:28] he vetoes a bill, there's no shortage of such opportunities, as we know,
[00:07:31] over 40 vetoes, at this point, this
[00:07:35] is, he also comes up with such a proposal or rather such a demand that in that case
[00:07:39] all bills should be consulted with him,
[00:07:42] it often happens that eventually what then goes
[00:07:45] back to the Sejm is some formula, well, I don't
[00:07:49] know, of combining these bills with what came out earlier and with what the president
[00:07:53] proposed, meaning he effectively clears such a path, so to speak,
[00:07:57] to have more of this
[00:07:59] power, well, he also does here, Doctor, probably much more
[00:08:03] precisely than I can define it, but
[00:08:06] he does it, well, on the borderline, on
[00:08:08] the borderline
[00:08:11] of law, very... and well, he does it indeed in
[00:08:15] a tough way, what for? And Karol Nawrocki
[00:08:19] simply creates a new center of power, wants to create a new center
[00:08:22] of power in Poland, and he has partly succeeded
[00:08:25] in that, and in this way he achieves,
[00:08:28] metaphorically and colloquially speaking, several goals: the first goal is
[00:08:32] to be the patron of the entire right,
[00:08:35] the right in Poland, which means he presents himself as a tough,
[00:08:39] decisive man, who says to the government
[00:08:43] of the hated Tusk no, you also have to remember
[00:08:46] that the initial declarations of Karol
[00:08:49] Nawrocki concerned overthrowing the Tusk government, yes,
[00:08:53] his goal here is to overthrow the Tusk government, now perhaps there is a little less of
[00:08:57] that particular thread, but either way, either way
[00:09:00] it's about presenting himself on this anti-coalition,
[00:09:04] anti-Tusk line, and the issue of building this center
[00:09:08] of power for the right, please note. We have a huge
[00:09:11] dispute in Law and Justice, a split, Karol
[00:09:15] Nawrocki, keeps his distance,
[00:09:18] calm, actually doesn't speak, doesn't
[00:09:21] say anything about it, he withdrew his people
[00:09:24] from the barbecue, because they were supposed to perform there, yes, some, well,
[00:09:28] yes, but complete distance, he'll see what
[00:09:31] happens, and then perhaps he'll intervene in one
[00:09:34] way or another, in one way or another,
[00:09:37] well, in this way Karol Nawrocki also
[00:09:40] shows his electorate. Because one must also note
[00:09:44] one very important feature of this presidency: there is no
[00:09:48] attempt to go beyond his voters, no, it's about
[00:09:51] hardening, hardening these people who sympathize with
[00:09:54] him anyway, so, well, showing such
[00:09:58] effectiveness, effectiveness through vetoes, effectiveness through
[00:10:01] proposals for his bills, which we know will not pass, but it always
[00:10:05] shows how flexible and strong
[00:10:08] and dynamic the presidential office is, and so
[00:10:12] on and so forth, so, well, we are dealing
[00:10:16] with at least an attempt, if it hasn't already succeeded, to generate another
[00:10:20] center of power in Poland, well, sometimes on the border
[00:10:23] of the constitution and so on. I'll come back to
[00:10:27] the question of what political role Karol Nawrocki could play or
[00:10:30] is trying to play, but for a second, because we've touched
[00:10:34] upon, well, this
[00:10:37] desire to expand his prerogatives,
[00:10:40] or his tools, which the president possesses,
[00:10:44] because vetoes are one thing, and the political pressure exerted
[00:10:47] by the president with his vetoes of his bills
[00:10:51] is another, and it also seems to me how he
[00:10:57] issues concerning the rule of law,
[00:11:00] judges, and so on, because I have the impression that Doctor mentioned balancing on the edge of the law, and that
[00:11:04] it is in these contexts most often that it is said
[00:11:07] that he takes such actions
[00:11:11] about which, well, I think there is agreement in the legal community
[00:11:15] that even PiS politicians also point to this,
[00:11:19] that he should not, for example, withhold
[00:11:21] the swearing-in of judges to the Constitutional
[00:11:25] Tribunal. Above all, President Nawrocki, like
[00:11:28] any other body in the state, is bound by the principle that he can act only
[00:11:32] and exclusively on the basis of and within the limits of the law. This is an absolutely fundamental
[00:11:36] constitutional principle which indicates that the
[00:11:40] president cannot interpret his powers
[00:11:43] expansively, especially since President Nawrocki tried
[00:11:46] to perform his office as if
[00:11:50] he was operating in a presidential system or at least a
[00:11:53] semi-presidential system like the American presidential system, for
[00:11:57] example, the example of France, where the position of the president is indeed
[00:12:00] constitutionally strong, but in Poland we have a clear parliamentary-cabinet
[00:12:03] system, the constitution leaves no doubt
[00:12:06] that the decision-making process in the scope
[00:12:09] of shaping both domestic and foreign policy rests with
[00:12:13] the Council of Ministers, and the president, apart from the fact that he obviously
[00:12:16] has constitutionally granted significant powers, but these are, as a
[00:12:20] rule, reactive, more blocking,
[00:12:23] because the active ones are mainly... he can submit
[00:12:26] bills, but as a rule, in other situations,
[00:12:30] his scope of competence is more reactive, blocking,
[00:12:34] and he is trying to
[00:12:36] expand, grant himself even new
[00:12:40] powers that the law does not directly grant him, meaning it is
[00:12:44] an action inconsistent with the law. Moreover, I would like to mention here
[00:12:47] a very important principle, which also seems to escape the president
[00:12:51] and his associates, namely the principle of cooperation
[00:12:55] between public authorities, which is a fundamental constitutional, legal
[00:12:58] principle, meaning that all authorities have the duty
[00:13:02] to cooperate with each other and, first and foremost, they should
[00:13:05] look after the interest of the state, the public interest, the reason of state,
[00:13:09] not their own particular, personal, political, or party
[00:13:13] interest. I have the impression that a commentary on your words is
[00:13:16] a CBOS study on the reception of Karol
[00:13:20] Nawrocki's presidency one year after the won elections. It was also published a few weeks
[00:13:23] ago, and the differences in
[00:13:26] assessments are very striking, because when respondents were
[00:13:30] asked if he is firm and determined in achieving his goals, well,
[00:13:34] of course, the affirmative answers were an overwhelming majority, yes, these are
[00:13:37] such, it's hard to disagree with that, he stands guard over
[00:13:41] national traditions and values, of course, the same, but somewhere at the bottom of this
[00:13:45] table, the worst answers, that it doesn't suit him at all, meaning he cooperates
[00:13:49] well with the government, but also
[00:13:52] very negative low
[00:13:56] results, that he is the president of all Poles, that there is a feeling, at least
[00:14:00] when looking at these studies, that he is a polarizing
[00:14:03] figure, well, yes, of course, that the actions
[00:14:07] of the president and his chancellery are a result of this polarization,
[00:14:11] simply put, and it seems to me that the president is aware of this, I just mentioned
[00:14:15] that he does not go beyond his electorate, that he will not jump
[00:14:18] over here either, but at the same time
[00:14:21] 56% is already more than, well, the best
[00:14:25] poll, our... exit poll, yes, what we know after the presidential
[00:14:29] election, of course, but the question is, and this
[00:14:31] would have to be checked thoroughly with
[00:14:33] studies, how this grows, maybe that way, but it must be admitted that this
[00:14:37] year was very good for Karol Nawrocki
[00:14:41] as a president in these criteria concerning
[00:14:45] trust, evaluation of his presidency and so on and
[00:14:49] so forth, but the question is, was this a good year for
[00:14:52] Poland thanks to the president's actions, thanks to
[00:14:56] his decisions, thanks to the attitude of both himself and the officials
[00:15:00] of his chancellery, and here I would have serious doubts, because
[00:15:04] this presidency did not generate any
[00:15:07] new quality in terms of the functioning of the country, it is
[00:15:11] largely an anti-presidency,
[00:15:14] it is a reactive presidency,
[00:15:17] reacting to what is happening, to the government's
[00:15:21] ideas, for example, but also not just that, it's difficult,
[00:15:25] it's difficult here, although it seems,
[00:15:28] well, supporters of Karol Nawrocki are completely unconvinced by this,
[00:15:31] it's difficult to point to such creative, positive
[00:15:34] features of this presidency. Perhaps
[00:15:38] here, of course, the standard issue of the Polish-American
[00:15:42] alliance comes into play,
[00:15:44] and a personal relationship with Donald Trump, but what comes of that,
[00:15:48] actually, American soldiers, if they were to be withdrawn from Poland,
[00:15:52] are being withdrawn from Poland, for example, meaning, as I understand it, this issue
[00:15:55] of the ongoing troop review also overlaps, so if anything
[00:15:59] comes of it, we'll find out in a few months, right? But
[00:16:03] I actually wanted to ask if this isn't, because
[00:16:06] I once heard this phrase, that despite the fact that
[00:16:10] we have a president from a different party and a government from a different
[00:16:13] party, that precisely this puts us in
[00:16:17] a more comfortable, because a cunning position in relations with the
[00:16:20] American administration, would you agree with this? Well, right after the election
[00:16:23] of Karol Nawrocki as president,
[00:16:27] my French political scientist friend asked me, well,
[00:16:31] basically in Poland you have such a win-win situation, because you now have
[00:16:34] a prime minister who is well connected with...
[00:16:46] because, well, the European Union at this moment is a bit in opposition to the United States in these
[00:16:50] international relations, the president will, well, build relations
[00:16:54] with the other leg, good Polish-American
[00:16:57] relations, so this is probably a truly very
[00:17:00] positive situation, but unfortunately my colleague forgot
[00:17:03] that this leads to such a conflict that is largely
[00:17:07] destructive, not only in domestic politics, but also
[00:17:10] foreign policy, because it's not just about who has
[00:17:13] the competencies, yes, that's right, even though it has been decided
[00:17:16] many times, and already during Lech Kaczyński's presidency there were
[00:17:20] discussions about it and rulings by the Constitutional Tribunal, so there should be no
[00:17:24] doubts about that, and it is surprising that these topics are constantly
[00:17:27] raised, nevertheless this dispute regarding
[00:17:31] foreign policy is very destructive, we see
[00:17:34] problems with the staffing of ambassadorial posts. There is still
[00:17:39] these... I must say that here we already see that
[00:17:42] the president will speak in a moment, or rather he is already doing it, he is already
[00:17:46] standing at the podium,
[00:17:48] so we are moving to the presidential palace.
[00:17:52] First of all, I am very happy that one year after
[00:17:55] the inauguration you are here with your
[00:17:58] president in our common home, because the presidential
[00:18:01] palace is our common home, and you
[00:18:05] simply...
[00:18:42] were with me throughout the long election campaign and later also on August 6th, I
[00:18:45] see, dear sirs, those moments from the election campaign that
[00:18:49] at the very beginning did not
[00:18:51] promise my, our common
[00:18:55] success. I see, dear sirs, Racibórz
[00:18:57] County and the bakery in the town
[00:19:01] of Kornowac, the bakery of the Krzemień family, who just
[00:19:04] entered here with me. In Kornowac it was
[00:19:08] five in the morning, few people on the streets
[00:19:11] of the city, the Krzemień family were preparing to
[00:19:15] open their bakery, it was cold, dark
[00:19:18] and there was no chance of victory in the
[00:19:22] presidential elections, and then we talked about
[00:19:25] how the future Polish president, the Polish
[00:19:28] government can help Polish entrepreneurs and why they have
[00:19:31] to pay so much for electricity,
[00:19:35] when I stand here today... before you, I
[00:19:39] see the farmer who came in with me a moment ago, but it's the first time
[00:19:43] we met, dear sirs, our story
[00:19:45] is that, driving to a meeting in Bartoszyce, I
[00:19:49] simply saw a banner that basically reflected my entire
[00:19:53] strategy and thought about Polish agriculture, what
[00:19:56] I want to do for Polish agriculture, I didn't know this farmer and I
[00:20:00] didn't know him until today, and he came with his whole
[00:20:03] family, because my colleagues from... to take part in our meeting
[00:20:37] and on a note, as
[00:20:40] you can see on the big screen, she wrote, you
[00:20:43] are our strength, hope,
[00:20:47] we will win.
[00:20:50] Regina from Police, then there was no chance,
[00:20:53] then there was also no greater chance of victory, dear
[00:20:56] sirs, and I want to say that
[00:21:00] all of you who are here, even with critical
[00:21:03] voices from months ago, often today, because
[00:21:07] that's what democratic debate is about, a debate
[00:21:10] that also took place a moment ago,
[00:21:13] you all, including Ms. Regina, were wrong, because you were,
[00:21:17] dear sirs, my strength, my hope.
[00:21:20] You remain so today,
[00:21:23] you are the strength and hope of the President
[00:21:26] of the Republic of Poland, you
[00:21:28] the nation,
[00:21:36] we are ourselves, we are ourselves,
[00:21:40] we are ourselves, we are ourselves,
[00:21:44] we are with you, we are,
[00:21:48] we are.
[00:21:53] You are with me, and I am and always will be with you. In
[00:21:57] this context, nothing has changed since that
[00:22:00] year. I want to be the voice of Polish women
[00:22:03] and men. I want to be the voice of the Polish nation.
[00:22:06] I will be, I am it when signing
[00:22:09] every bill and with every legislative
[00:22:12] initiative. That's why that beautiful, young,
[00:22:15] mountaineer, powerful force also resonated a moment
[00:22:19] ago. which shows Polish tradition and many, dear
[00:22:23] sirs, Polish traditions today we evoke in various
[00:22:26] regions of Poland, which unite under the white and red flag
[00:22:30] and under the beautiful Polish national anthem, and therefore, I thank
[00:22:34] the mountaineer force very much, you too, dear sirs,
[00:22:37] let's thank these young, wonderful
[00:22:40] people.
[00:22:47] I also thank Eldo, dear sirs. This kind of
[00:22:50] music for years, for decades, unfortunately for
[00:22:54] 35 years, political elites have accustomed
[00:22:58] us to the fact that often
[00:23:01] the voice of ordinary people does not reach the presidential
[00:23:05] palace or the Sejm, sometimes you have to
[00:23:08] sing it, you have to talk about it in the musical,
[00:23:12] artistic, alternative
[00:23:15] reality, and so many hip-hop artists and other
[00:23:18] music and culture artists often sing
[00:23:21] about the heartache, the soul pain of many Polish women and men, I too, as an
[00:23:25] ordinary boy from a district of Gdańsk, carried it for many
[00:23:29] years. Thank you, Eldo, for your
[00:23:32] performance.
[00:23:39] I thank, of course, the wonderful panelists, Madam Editor,
[00:23:43] Professor, two editors, I thank
[00:23:46] you for this, sometimes, dear sirs, yes.
[00:23:50] piercing for me, also very constructive criticism and for
[00:23:53] all the good words that resonated from this
[00:23:56] discussion, I know both the Professor and the editors, and
[00:24:00] also Madam Editor's assertiveness, yes, I want you
[00:24:03] to judge me, dear sirs, that's what power is for,
[00:24:07] power is, power is for
[00:24:10] citizens, not citizens for power, and that is why judge
[00:24:14] me.
[00:24:23] I invoke all this, because today from the bottom of my heart I want to tell
[00:24:26] you that when on August 6th I took
[00:24:30] part in wonderful ceremonies, walking from
[00:24:33] the Sejm of the Republic of Poland through the Royal
[00:24:36] Castle to Marshal Józef Piłsudski
[00:24:40] Square, when every month of my
[00:24:43] presidency, I am at many diplomatic salons, in
[00:24:46] European and world capitals. I
[00:24:50] want to assure you that I always
[00:24:52] see only your faces, I see
[00:24:56] the face of Ms. Regina,
[00:24:58] I see the face of the Krzemień couple
[00:25:02] from Racibórz, I see the faces of ordinary Poles, whom
[00:25:06] I still want to serve, I see nothing else
[00:25:09] wherever I am, and on August 6th
[00:25:13] I also saw nothing more, I saw
[00:25:15] you.
[00:25:37] This is for all of us, my dears, this is for
[00:25:41] all of us, this year and the next four
[00:25:44] years, a great historical chance to
[00:25:47] finally understand that the fate...
[00:25:50] the future of Poland, the prosperity of Poland,
[00:25:54] the development of Poland is decided
[00:25:57] precisely in small carpentry workshops, in
[00:26:00] large technological enterprises. where entrepreneurs
[00:26:04] employ people in bakeries, in
[00:26:07] the daily lives of Polish women and men, there
[00:26:10] the fate of Poland is decided, and there Polish politicians
[00:26:13] and the government and the Polish president should be
[00:26:17] scrutinized and discussed, because the nation
[00:26:20] is the supreme authority in the Republic of Poland, and
[00:26:24] today, dear sirs, this is forgotten, and that is why I stand
[00:26:27] here with you, together with
[00:26:31] you and before you to say that from
[00:26:34] the path I embarked on during the election
[00:26:37] campaign, I will never stray, I will
[00:26:41] remain only your voice,
[00:27:00] thank you all, my dears,
[00:27:03] if someone were to ask me, I understand that such a question is somewhere
[00:27:07] hanging in the air, ladies and gentlemen, on Krakowskie Przedmieście,
[00:27:10] you probably expect that too,
[00:27:13] editors, public opinion, if someone were to
[00:27:17] ask me what kind of year it
[00:27:20] was, this first year of my presidency,
[00:27:24] although it is a difficult situation to talk about a year of one's
[00:27:28] presidency, but I was tasked with such a task today, I also set
[00:27:31] myself such a task. Without a doubt, it was a busy
[00:27:34] year, ladies and gentlemen,
[00:27:37] but there is not a single ounce of fatigue in me,
[00:27:41] I still have a lot of energy for another 4 years, I have
[00:27:45] 100% battery, ladies and gentlemen.
[00:28:21] Thank you very much, it turned out to be a birthday, thank
[00:28:24] you very much,
[00:28:26] ladies and gentlemen, I rarely watch television,
[00:28:30] I must admit, I prefer to talk. I prefer
[00:28:33] to read than to watch television, but I hope that during this
[00:28:37] year, at least some of the television showed those moments of
[00:28:40] my hard work, my colleagues, that it
[00:28:44] reached public opinion, I,
[00:28:47] however, will start with a short anecdote, when the officers of the State
[00:28:51] Protection Service did not know me yet, after
[00:28:54] an objectively, it must be said, busy day on August
[00:28:57] 6th last year, when that day was
[00:29:00] intense, although...
[00:29:09] equally beautiful and intense, one of the officers of the State Protection Service, ladies and gentlemen, said, Mr. President, when do we
[00:29:12] start working? I answered the
[00:29:15] officer, tomorrow, we start working tomorrow morning,
[00:29:19] I say this only to remind you once again that since
[00:29:23] August 7th, the day of the inauguration,
[00:29:27] I started submitting legislative initiatives, yes, since
[00:29:30] fulfill my election I submitted.
[00:30:32] you followed, because what bothers the Marshal of the Polish
[00:30:36] Sejm is electricity cheaper by
[00:30:39] 33%, which I indeed promised and which
[00:30:42] is not there today. I want to say right away,
[00:30:45] ladies and gentlemen, that not all postulates have been implemented,
[00:30:49] although it's only a year, but none have
[00:30:53] been forgotten and all
[00:30:56] will be
[00:30:57] implemented.
[00:31:23] 21 blockades out of 22
[00:31:27] legislative initiatives, everyone
[00:31:29] pays for electricity, those who voted for Nawrocki
[00:31:33] during the presidential elections and
[00:31:36] those who voted for my
[00:31:39] opponent, prepared by our specialists, by
[00:31:42] the specialists of the chancellery.
[00:31:53] have some sensitivity regarding looking at themselves in the mirror of the European Union,
[00:31:56] law, legislative initiative so
[00:31:59] well opinionated by
[00:32:02] professionals and authorities of the European Union,
[00:32:05] I say to those for whom this makes a special impression,
[00:32:09] ladies and gentlemen, a legislative initiative that would make
[00:32:12] us pay 33%.
[00:32:15] less for electricity is blocked and
[00:32:19] frozen in the Polish Sejm,
[00:32:22] at the same time, as you know, I did not give up and
[00:32:25] went to the Senate with a request that
[00:32:28] a referendum be held on climate policy, at the very
[00:32:32] beginning, those who love democracy, those who
[00:32:35] love democratic discussions and voting and
[00:32:39] are waiting for the voice of the Polish nation,
[00:32:42] said that the question: they say, we are
[00:33:23] not interested, we are not interested in your
[00:33:27] opinion, whether you pay more or not,
[00:33:31] the Ministry of Energy at the same time proposed
[00:33:35] to the nation, to the state, to everyone,
[00:33:38] to delete from the electricity bill
[00:33:42] information about the fact that you pay.
[00:33:56] The sum will be the same, the bill will look better, that's not how
[00:33:59] democracy works, ladies and gentlemen, that's not how
[00:34:02] democracy works, that the nation is cheated,
[00:34:06] a referendum is not called,
[00:34:10] laws allowing to
[00:34:13] collect.
[00:34:15] 33% less for electricity is frozen and
[00:34:19] blocked, that's why once again, Mr. Marshal, the nation
[00:34:22] is waiting, we have the right to pay less for electricity, please
[00:34:26] don't think that I just want to
[00:34:30] promise, but the nation, cheaper electricity.
[00:34:56] That's why I want to be your voice, my dears, because it seems that neither in the Polish Sejm,
[00:34:59] thanks to the Marshal,
[00:35:03] nor in the Polish Senate, thanks to the Marshal,
[00:35:07] no one wants to listen to the nation, the nation is
[00:35:10] wise, the nation chooses
[00:35:12] well.
[00:36:22] I can say after this year, ladies and gentlemen, that it's
[00:36:25] terrifying that those who talk so much about Polish
[00:36:28] democracy don't even want to discuss in the Polish
[00:36:32] Sejm what Polish citizens have
[00:36:36] to say, but so that it's not so pessimistic,
[00:36:39] ladies and gentlemen, although everyone should remember this statistic, 21 out of
[00:36:43] 22 legislative initiatives frozen,
[00:36:46] it was also possible
[00:36:50] to do one very important thing for
[00:36:53] Polish farmers, do you remember how during the election campaign...
[00:36:57] I said that Polish land is not for sale, and Wincenty Witos
[00:37:01] once repeated that in the most difficult times, the Polish
[00:37:05] farmer preserved land, religion, nationality.
[00:37:08] Polish land is not for sale and under your pressure, thanks
[00:37:12] to you, thanks to a strong voice, we managed
[00:37:15] to push through in the Polish Sejm a legislative initiative
[00:37:19] to ban the sale of Polish land for another 10
[00:37:23] years. We will
[00:37:24] not stop.
[00:37:33] I wanted to encourage the government and the parliamentary majority to
[00:37:37] look, ladies and gentlemen, at the legislative initiative concerning the
[00:37:41] Polish Safe. This
[00:37:45] legislative initiative
[00:37:48] is in the Polish Sejm, it is serious,
[00:37:51] it has been heard, it is after agreements with the head of the National
[00:37:54] Bank of Poland. I will tell you more. probably public
[00:37:58] opinion is not fully aware that the legislative
[00:38:02] initiative concerning the Polish Safe
[00:38:05] 0%
[00:38:07] was borrowed by the Polish People's Party, 95%
[00:38:11] of the
[00:38:13] Polish Safe 0% was submitted by the Polish
[00:38:17] People's Party to the Polish Sejm, the commas are
[00:38:21] in the same place where
[00:38:23] we put them in the President's Chancellery.
[00:38:27] periods and even minor errors are in the same places in this
[00:38:30] law, you know what responsibility
[00:38:33] is about? it's about me not
[00:38:37] being offended by the Polish People's Party for taking my
[00:38:40] law, but I'm asking Mr. Marshal Czaja again
[00:38:43] why he's blocking the law of the Polish People's
[00:38:47] Party, not wanting to give money to the Polish
[00:38:50] army without a loan, because I can't understand that
[00:38:54] anymore, money with a loan is good and...
[00:39:27] initiatives legislative
[00:39:30] is often very complicated, but it is
[00:39:33] fundamental, it is also fundamental for this year, I want to
[00:39:37] repeat about how much good, hard work of advisors and
[00:39:40] specialists is wasted because
[00:39:44] they have a certain blockade due to a mechanism that the Polish
[00:39:47] constitution does not know, there is no such thing as a Marshal's
[00:39:50] veto and every reasonable person, ladies and
[00:39:54] gentlemen, knows that, I also want to say a few words about the
[00:39:58] laws themselves, that's what maybe not kittens,
[00:40:02] but big, powerful tigers like the most, ladies and
[00:40:05] gentlemen, laws and vetos, so
[00:40:09] much public discussion revolves
[00:40:12] around this, I can reveal, because I have already decided to
[00:40:15] sign four more laws, I will sign them, ladies and gentlemen,
[00:40:19] tomorrow and I wonder how big
[00:40:22] a problem we have in Poland, I am a humanist, as you
[00:40:25] know, when it comes to mathematics.
[00:40:37] how big a problem we have today, ladies and gentlemen, with mathematics among the members of the parliamentary majority and the Polish
[00:40:39] government, because the mathematical
[00:40:43] balance of signed and vetoed
[00:40:46] laws from tomorrow will
[00:40:49] look like 259
[00:40:52] signed laws and 41 vetoed
[00:40:55] laws, exactly 300,
[00:40:59] 259
[00:41:01] to 41 and we ask
[00:41:04] ourselves the question, someone here really, ladies and gentlemen, cannot
[00:41:07] count, although I said this in
[00:41:10] an interview with editor Stanowski, although
[00:41:14] the term Vetomat is very
[00:41:16] endearing to me and does not affect
[00:41:20] me personally at all, I have encountered
[00:41:23] much stronger terms, I also
[00:41:26] always welcome them with a smile, with great detachment, but ladies and
[00:41:29] gentlemen, 259 signed laws
[00:41:33] shows that only where I can
[00:41:36] find a bit of compromise, where
[00:41:39] I can... see that this law is written for Poles,
[00:41:43] that it will be useful to Poles, even if I have certain objections,
[00:41:47] even if I see and also read
[00:41:50] the reactions of the opposition in the Polish parliament, that more can be squeezed
[00:41:54] out of this law, but it is at least somewhat good for Poles,
[00:41:58] I will always sign it, I will always sign it,
[00:42:00] I did that 259
[00:42:03] times.
[00:42:19] Ladies and gentlemen, I could, I will not list all
[00:42:21] 259 laws, but if we look at
[00:42:25] the entire deregulation package, there are many entrepreneurs,
[00:42:28] businessmen here, I sign regularly the entire deregulation
[00:42:32] package prepared by the parliamentary
[00:42:34] majority, I signed all the laws referring
[00:42:38] to, for example, cyber... security, to
[00:42:41] de-bureaucratizing oncological hospitals,
[00:42:44] when the problem created by this government, the biggest
[00:42:48] crisis in health care, ladies and gentlemen, was being solved, widely
[00:42:51] commented on in public opinion, I signed
[00:42:54] the law on the presidential fund, transferring
[00:42:58] billions to the
[00:43:01] cover their hole, because there were simply
[00:43:05] patients there, there was no politics, there was
[00:43:07] a need... of the government for certain reforms in the presidential fund, the only thing I
[00:43:11] asked for was to create two sub-funds for
[00:43:15] rare diseases and for health security
[00:43:18] infrastructure, so, when we reach
[00:43:22] the limit, I am there where there is good law.
[00:43:26] prawo,
[00:43:35] Thank you,
[00:43:37] thank you,
[00:43:39] thank you. What's more, ladies and gentlemen, a veto is never
[00:43:43] the end of the discussion,
[00:43:47] it's often corrections,
[00:43:49] tutoring on how to write good law, these
[00:43:52] tutoring sessions, which are given
[00:43:56] by the ruling minister Zbigniew Bogucki as a lawyer, and for
[00:43:59] which I take full responsibility, making all
[00:44:02] decisions.
[00:44:10] ladies and gentlemen, because prosecutors interrogate me from time to time, so I want to tell the prosecutors that for all decisions, the good and the
[00:44:14] bad, full responsibility is taken
[00:44:17] by the President of Poland, his name is Karol Nawrocki, so that
[00:44:21] you know.
[00:44:46] My dears, not to be unfounded,
[00:44:49] there were such laws that I received on my desk,
[00:44:53] which concerned, among
[00:44:56] other things, critical raw materials, crude
[00:45:00] gas, we sent that law back after the veto, it was
[00:45:04] corrected, it was adopted in a better form,
[00:45:07] we drew attention to what simply needs to be done. It exists,
[00:45:11] it functions, it works, water supply,
[00:45:14] which affected many of my advisors, local government officials, the council
[00:45:18] for local government, which
[00:45:20] would hinder the operation of Polish local governments, which are already
[00:45:24] so poor today, so poor, ladies and gentlemen, because all the
[00:45:28] programs that the government of the United Right has implemented with such
[00:45:31] success for so many years are ending, and today,
[00:45:34] ladies and gentlemen, these programs are gone, regardless of
[00:45:38] where the local government official is from.
[00:45:57] to my veto and how the law can be improved for the good of people and
[00:46:00] animals was the chain law, I don't know if
[00:46:03] you remember this,
[00:46:07] but for two weeks they tried to make someone
[00:46:10] who hates animals and
[00:46:13] is ready to wage the biggest war and fight with them,
[00:46:17] just because a bad law was prepared,
[00:46:19] demonstrations took place, ladies and gentlemen,
[00:46:22] so many politicians incited this political
[00:46:26] dispute, when for me, for my family, animals are
[00:46:29] very important, although never more important than another human being, than people,
[00:46:33] that's obvious.
[00:46:36] oczywista.
[00:46:43] So much commotion, ladies and gentlemen, so much shouting, so
[00:46:47] many attacks, so many happenings, so
[00:46:50] many demonstrations.
[00:46:55] And thanks to activists and the hard work of the President's Chancellery,
[00:46:58] suddenly we develop a chain law
[00:47:01] that is good for both people and animals, and please, dogs
[00:47:05] are unleashed from chains, nothing happened to anyone,
[00:47:08] that's the power of the veto, to
[00:47:12] adapt the law to the needs of people and animals, ladies
[00:47:15] and gentlemen, there are of course many such examples, but there are also
[00:47:19] examples that speak about that,
[00:47:24] it is also, ladies and gentlemen, it is
[00:47:28] there to say veto where the law
[00:47:31] is harmful to the continuity of the Republic and to
[00:47:35] our Constitution, I will never hesitate to take it, if there is such a need.
[00:47:54] Among these 41 vetos, ladies and gentlemen, the liquidation
[00:47:58] of the Central Anti-Corruption Bureau, well, no, I will
[00:48:01] not agree to liquidate the Central Anti-Corruption
[00:48:04] Bureau, the fact that there are people in the Polish Senate
[00:48:08] who hide behind
[00:48:10] immunity, they should be in jail for corruption, that's not my
[00:48:14] problem, the CBA is needed, it's simply good for the Polish
[00:48:18] state.
[00:48:27] I will not, ladies and gentlemen, sign a law
[00:48:30] that says that large insurance companies are to be
[00:48:33] exempted from fines that were imposed on them for
[00:48:37] stealing from those who insured
[00:48:40] with them. Who even writes such a law, who
[00:48:44] prepares a law in which we want to drop fines
[00:48:47] for insurance companies for stealing from
[00:48:51] my citizens.
[00:49:22] in this whole political dispute, which I greatly
[00:49:25] hope will be less, I will say at the very
[00:49:29] end, often innocent people or innocent
[00:49:32] animals are taken hostage, as with the
[00:49:35] chain law, it was like that around the discussion about
[00:49:38] the status of a next of kin, as I said in
[00:49:42] the election campaign, that I am ready to work on
[00:49:45] such a status,
[00:49:48] but not on an alternative to... Article
[00:49:51] 18 of the Constitution, which states that marriage is
[00:49:54] a union of a woman and a man and is legally
[00:49:57] protected in Poland, we want to help people who want to be in
[00:50:01] the status of a next of kin, we do not want
[00:50:04] to impose ideology on solutions that are supposed to be good
[00:50:07] for people, we don't force anyone to get married, but
[00:50:11] marriage is a special thing, ladies
[00:50:14] and gentlemen, in our Constitution, I as
[00:50:17] President am the guardian
[00:50:19] of the Constitution.
[00:50:33] I say, I invite you to discussion, I receive,
[00:50:36] ladies and gentlemen, a certain ideological
[00:50:39] blow, a blow opinionated by, I look at
[00:50:42] Minister Szefernaker, because he calculated it precisely, by
[00:50:46] 40 or 60 radical
[00:50:50] left-wing organizations.
[00:50:52] with the annotation FSR, that this is a law desired by
[00:50:56] Poles and opinionated by foundations and associations, there was
[00:51:00] no objective association or
[00:51:03] foundation there, so I am ready to talk about the status of a
[00:51:07] next of kin, but
[00:51:09] ladies and gentlemen, you cannot make fools of citizens or the President of Poland,
[00:51:13] no one will agree to
[00:51:15] that.
[00:51:25] Ladies and gentlemen, a few words, concluding
[00:51:29] this part about legislative initiatives, laws that
[00:51:32] refer to this past year, I want
[00:51:35] to say a few words very much, and I feel
[00:51:39] obliged to talk about international policy, I have not
[00:51:42] read experts' opinions, I have not watched the entire debate of
[00:51:45] the editor, the editors and the professor, but I want to
[00:51:49] tell you, ladies and gentlemen, that when it comes to foreign policy...
[00:51:53] I feel to the bone, to the bone, that I am implementing
[00:51:56] what I promised you during the election campaign and I will say a few words about
[00:52:00] that now, ladies and gentlemen, I said that I would build strong
[00:52:04] regional relations, today there is practically no such
[00:52:07] country in our immediate vicinity with which we would not have strong
[00:52:11] relations at the presidential level, but I also support
[00:52:14] these relations between ministers and also
[00:52:17] the Prime Minister and the Prime Ministers of these governments,
[00:52:21] Czech Republic, Slovakia, all Baltic states,
[00:52:24] Hungary, Romania, regardless of changing governments, ladies and gentlemen,
[00:52:28] I said, I repeated during the election campaign,
[00:52:31] I promised you that I would build strength
[00:53:47] is ready, now we need to get down to hard work, but our relations are not only
[00:53:50] the United States, I also promised you that I would
[00:53:53] ensure a strong voice for Poland in the North Atlantic Alliance, I hope
[00:53:57] that after the last Fankara summit, you have no
[00:54:00] doubts, I went with one task, to fight
[00:54:04] to support the building of solidarity in the North Atlantic Alliance,
[00:54:08] but also for a decision to be made on
[00:54:12] fuel infrastructure, the so-called CEPS. This required
[00:54:15] many diplomatic efforts from me, but also
[00:54:18] from diplomats at various levels, ladies and gentlemen. From the
[00:54:22] Sankara summit, we returned with the guarantee of allied
[00:54:25] unity by the Americans and by
[00:54:28] all members of the North Atlantic Alliance and with
[00:54:31] a declaration that Eastern Europe will be.
[00:54:36] and the entire system of fuel infrastructure,
[00:54:38] ladies and gentlemen, by carrying out tasks in the
[00:54:42] international arena, we are building Poland's strength and responsibility
[00:54:45] on the eastern flank, that is just
[00:54:49] a symbol, but we also had to work on that, so that the next B9
[00:54:53] Group summit, the Bucharest Nine, which recently took place in
[00:54:56] Bucharest, would take place in Warsaw next
[00:55:00] year, to show that it is in Poland
[00:55:03] that the security of all Europe is
[00:55:06] decided and Poland is today, ladies
[00:55:09] and gentlemen, the strongest fortress on
[00:55:12] NATO's eastern flank, together with Scandinavia to
[00:55:15] the north and Romania to the south, building this vertical line of
[00:55:19] responsibility for our security, even though you probably
[00:55:22] sometimes look at my trips and it doesn't quite
[00:55:26] form a complete picture, today I tell you directly, those
[00:55:30] who have not followed this on the big
[00:55:32] picture, that's how it's been for the last year.
[00:55:43] but I'm not taking away the current Prime Minister's relations with the Prime Ministers
[00:55:46] of Scandinavian countries, from Scandinavia
[00:55:49] through Poland through Romania
[00:55:52] to Turkey, ladies and gentlemen, this is the task that
[00:55:55] I have performed and that I promised you
[00:55:58] I would perform for your security.