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[00:00:00] it seems that in times when everything is being sold, the greatest
[00:00:04] value is in what cannot be bought. Szymon
[00:00:08] Szulczyński, 7:30 PM.
[00:00:11] Minister of Energy Miłosz Motyka with Justyna Dobrożoracz, in the Question of the Day, that's coming up soon,
[00:00:15] we recommend these conversations, and Witold Stabaka has an appointment with you at 10:30 PM.
[00:00:19] Good
[00:00:20] evening.
[00:00:51] this is the Minister of Energy, good evening, Minister, good evening, Minister,
[00:00:54] what don't we know about President Nawrocki, what do you
[00:00:58] know, seeing?
[00:01:01] I see that he wants to be a leader on the right, I think, it already
[00:01:04] is, that's my impression, this speech, which just finished,
[00:01:07] I had the impression that it was already a speech for the campaign before
[00:01:11] the parliamentary elections in 2027,
[00:01:14] President Nawrocki from the beginning of his term had one task: to make
[00:01:18] life difficult for the government, he does it at every step, taking citizens hostage, we see that, but on the other
[00:01:22] hand, it is done so that these forces, which evidently are not able
[00:01:25] to find a leader today, whether in the person of Mateusz Morawiecki, or in the person of
[00:01:29] Jarosław. Today
[00:02:05] he said that from his perspective, he is being blocked
[00:02:09] by the government, and not the other way around. You are taking voters
[00:02:11] hostage, Poles,
[00:02:14] in one of the interviews
[00:02:17] before taking office as president, Karol Nawrocki
[00:02:20] said that regardless of the government, he would perfectly cope with all
[00:02:24] possible problems and implement what he proposed. Today
[00:02:27] we see that his effectiveness is nil, and he is blocking... and to put it
[00:02:31] bluntly, he himself is happy about it, very good
[00:02:33] solutions, good solutions and ones that would
[00:02:37] never bother him, are not ideological projects, but
[00:02:40] for the sake of making it
[00:02:43] harder for the government, and frankly, his associates often do not
[00:02:46] hide it, but the reduction, for example, of electricity prices by
[00:02:49] 33%, that was such a famous, even flagship promise of President
[00:02:53] Nawrocki, not implemented, it was
[00:02:56] supposed to be done in 100 days, but now Mr. President says, well, the law has been...
[00:03:04] How is it with this blockade? Because I know how many times the marshal summoned the presidential palace,
[00:03:08] that they presented sources of financing. The law has
[00:03:12] one fundamental task, to put it bluntly, very simply to our citizens,
[00:03:16] to transfer costs from the bill to the state budget, meaning you will pay less on
[00:03:19] the bill, a certain percentage, because it will not be 33%, and you will pay
[00:03:23] more in indirect taxes, because it is simply a VAT reduction, it is of course
[00:03:27] a transfer of part of the fees, but what is just hot air is simply...
[00:03:38] Of course, in this regard, Mr. President also has a lot on his conscience, because he blocked
[00:03:42] a law that would guarantee a systemic solution, when it comes to lower prices. Today
[00:03:46] we see what lowers electricity prices: renewable sources and energy storage.
[00:03:49] Unfortunately, Mr. President prefers not
[00:03:52] to do that, he prefers, I will be honest, to
[00:03:56] deceive citizens by shifting costs from... their pockets
[00:04:00] to relieve them, but to add to another one. Today
[00:04:03] he also suggested a jab at you, that you
[00:04:06] want to cut ETS from the bill,
[00:04:09] so that Poles would not know how much they have to
[00:04:12] pay. Firstly, Mr. President is a supporter of leaving the ETS
[00:04:15] system, so he should, to put it very ironically, be happy
[00:04:19] about it. However,
[00:04:23] price, there is no to put it simply, this is another step in terms of the proposal to simplify electricity bills. Mr.
[00:04:26] President said that they are in the election campaign, right?
[00:04:30] So complicated that you can't understand them. We passed the law, and now we are passing
[00:04:33] a regulation, but apparently he does not want that. Well, he has to decide whether
[00:04:37] he wants the bills to be complicated, for all items to be
[00:04:41] stably, however, I draw your attention to listed, or whether he wants them to be simple? We want them to be simple. Everyone who
[00:04:44] follows energy will also be able to access
[00:04:47] data and know how much indirect costs, such as
[00:04:51] the allowances system, cost. Mr.
[00:04:53] Minister, the issue concerning what we are currently
[00:04:57] observing in energy, we will get to that in a moment. But finally,
[00:05:00] this strictly political aspect of this year
[00:05:04] of President Nawrocki's term, did
[00:05:07] the PSL, with a heavy heart, honestly expect
[00:05:11] that the President... would not be so harsh on the agrarians? I had
[00:05:14] no illusions from the very beginning, maybe you did, but colleagues, for
[00:05:17] example, three MPs de
[00:05:20] facto voted for Karol Nawrocki to be the president of
[00:05:24] the IPN, which year was that? 2020, something
[00:05:27] like that. It was, but it was a springboard for a further career and I know that some of them
[00:05:31] said that thanks to this you would be able to be
[00:05:34] in the presidential palace with one foot, this
[00:05:37] is, this is, this is a bit
[00:05:40] that if we had all realized that a president of
[00:05:43] the IPN could become president of Poland, and there were many more
[00:05:47] PiS candidates then, it
[00:05:50] would never have been Karol Nawrocki, then
[00:05:53] no one would have paved such a path for him.
[00:05:56] He also behaved completely differently then, it must be admitted, there was also
[00:05:59] no alternative, it was linked to
[00:06:02] the election of the Commissioner for Human Rights, it was a chance to
[00:06:05] depoliticize this institution, we remember who was proposed by PiS as Commissioner
[00:06:09] for Human Rights, politicians of flesh and blood like Mr. ...
[00:06:20] from the beginning he was very reluctant to cooperate with
[00:06:22] the government, I had no illusions about that, the constitutional
[00:06:26] duty, we are talking here about the Minister of National Defense, Władysław Kośniak
[00:06:30] Kamysz, but he fulfills it, it rests
[00:06:33] on cooperation in times,
[00:06:36] especially such dangerous ones, with the presidential camp, with
[00:06:40] the National Security Bureau, however...
[00:07:12] another attempt to lower prices at these stations, there is no decision,
[00:07:16] we are looking into this matter, decisions will probably be made next
[00:07:19] week, something that is extremely dynamic in terms
[00:07:22] of this geopolitical situation, we will see in the
[00:07:25] coming days, according to the declarations we hear from fuel companies,
[00:07:29] it will probably have a positive impact on stations, but this
[00:07:33] dynamic is so huge that you never know if in a few hours
[00:07:37] the situation will not reverse again, so
[00:07:40] today it would be too early to... and such a declaration
[00:07:43] was made by the Prime Minister and
[00:07:46] this is also in terms of returning from vacation for the last two
[00:07:50] weeks, the CPN package should return too early. Simply, such
[00:07:54] political pressure, Minister, is very high in this matter. The price
[00:07:58] of diesel is now the highest in history. You personally pressure
[00:08:02] the Minister of Finance to have this program CPN 2.0,
[00:08:04] let's call it. I have the same opinion on this matter as
[00:08:08] Minister Tomański. We believe that the market should
[00:08:11] verify this to a certain extent, of course,
[00:08:15] the issue. If prices, of course, are very high for Polish
[00:08:19] drivers, but in accordance with the state budget, if
[00:08:22] we implement this policy responsibly, then yes. If these
[00:08:26] prices skyrocket, if they fall
[00:08:27] and
[00:08:30] sentiments calm down also on global markets,
[00:08:33] then the justification is smaller. Next week,
[00:08:37] you say, this decision, regardless of the fact that the President, well, in a sense
[00:08:41] blocked the tax. I am in favor of us
[00:08:44] working on a new version of the windfall profits tax, despite
[00:08:48] this extremely foolish decision of Mr.
[00:08:51] President. I mean, he made many fatal decisions this year,
[00:08:54] from not appointing
[00:08:57] ambassadors about whom there were no doubts, to not unblocking
[00:09:01] the constitutional tribunal with respect to those who had no problems with
[00:09:04] their achievements and the procedural path
[00:09:08] to becoming a judge. But this is completely
[00:09:11] insane, like...
[00:09:31] when I issue an announcement then about the maximum
[00:09:35] chance for that,
[00:09:38] there is no chance for that, because then I, taking funds from the CPN package for
[00:09:41] a reduction in excise duty, what is this
[00:09:44] veto about?
[00:09:47] But it's not a veto, excuse me, it's actually a motion to the Constitutional
[00:09:50] Tribunal, but the Tribunal is blocked, so it acts
[00:09:54] a bit like a veto. Firstly, to
[00:09:57] hinder the government's work, certainly, and secondly, to blame the government,
[00:10:00] so that it doesn't succeed, like with the Save program, it will be
[00:10:03] harder, but what do you expect from
[00:10:06] the president now, some move? And thirdly, I think that
[00:10:10] some fuel concerns approached...
[00:10:13] a quick path to the president, do you want to say that
[00:10:16] it was lobbying by companies, yes, that the president
[00:10:19] succumbed? There are many indications of this, yes, he succumbed
[00:10:22] to lobbying, by disastrous
[00:10:26] advisors, we know that. However,
[00:10:29] yes, in this matter he succumbed to the lobbying of concerns, not
[00:10:33] necessarily Polish ones. There was also the issue that
[00:10:37] law does not act retroactively, and yet these companies had to pay.
[00:10:39] Of course, I will also address that. It is difficult
[00:10:43] to impose a tax on excess profits in a situation where they have not been generated. They
[00:10:47] are always generated at the right time, that is, up to
[00:10:51] a certain point, from the moment of the crisis. However, such
[00:10:54] a law... if it comes to the windfall
[00:10:57] tax, it's not just a Polish practice, it's a practice all over the world,
[00:11:01] it was adopted in other European countries and it was adopted
[00:11:04] under the governments of our predecessors too, it then concerned
[00:11:08] the tax on excess profits generated earlier, because only then did they
[00:11:11] occur, finally, from excess, i.e. from a percentage
[00:11:15] above 20%
[00:11:18] profit relative to the previous year, so
[00:11:21] here this cushion guaranteeing a large profit
[00:11:24] of 20%, that is 20% we assess
[00:11:28] as a natural, normal profit, not excessive, is
[00:11:31] large, so it also protects against eventual reductions, but did you see
[00:11:34] how a clip of your statement is circulating online,
[00:11:38] you got carried away,
[00:11:40] no, you said that gasoline before Trump's war cost
[00:11:44] 5.19, but that wasn't the case, meaning the average was higher. Well,
[00:11:48] indeed, incidentally at certain stations it was 5.19, I was referring to that,
[00:11:51] I was referring to those stations, to what the prime minister also...
[00:11:55] published. The average was 5.22,
[00:11:58] 5.24 at the end of
[00:12:00] 2025,
[00:12:03] if it concerned 95 octane
[00:12:05] gasoline, because already of course some
[00:12:08] related it to the price of diesel, however, I related it in a broad
[00:12:12] statement to what is responsible for this, because today we hear that the prime minister is responsible
[00:12:16] for high prices, so I related it to the fact that the prime minister is not responsible
[00:12:19] for the war in the Middle East, the prime minister nor the government is responsible for the smaller
[00:12:23] number of refineries, the prime minister... neither the government, nor I, nor minister Domański are
[00:12:27] responsible for blocking this tax, and finally,
[00:12:30] we are not responsible for how badly the market structure in
[00:12:34] Poland was arranged, that we have to import more diesel, less
[00:12:37] in the market structure, meaning today Orlen, these are all decisions
[00:12:41] of our predecessors, and finally, Madam
[00:12:44] Editor, I look at July
[00:12:47] 28th, Daniel Obajtek, at one of the press conferences
[00:12:50] stated that in a few days, he
[00:12:53] knows, there will be no fuel at Polish stations, he repeated
[00:12:57] this thesis in various television stations, I want to say today that he is a brazen liar and
[00:13:01] I would ask citizens not to succumb to such blackmail by
[00:13:04] PiS political commissars, because this is precisely that rhetoric,
[00:13:08] lies, deceit, throwing
[00:13:11] slogans to sow chaos, to blacken the government,
[00:13:14] of course he probably already forgot about it, there is fuel at the stations, there is no
[00:13:17] threat to supplies, that was the government's fundamental task to
[00:13:20] secure it, but what they say is of course repeated.
[00:13:25] power plants in Kozienice and Połaniec, both of them
[00:13:28] reduced operations due to the low water level in the Vistula. How serious is
[00:13:31] the situation? The current situation, also due to the hydrological
[00:13:35] situation in Poland, is
[00:13:37] one of the most difficult in terms of functioning and
[00:13:41] ensuring the stability of the power system, especially in recent
[00:13:45] years.
[00:13:47] Here, great work from the operators, but I want to say
[00:13:51] that in Poland, with this situation, with this situation.
[00:13:55] Energy workers in other countries, in Serbia, as
[00:13:58] in Hungary, the entire economy is struggling, there are
[00:14:02] reductions to a minimum, but I ask you, is there really a
[00:14:06] systemic threat or not? There is no
[00:14:10] risk of a blackout today, however, this
[00:14:14] situation is very difficult due to, well, yes, it must
[00:14:17] be said directly, due to progressive climate change, low water levels,
[00:14:21] high, high temperatures of the water that
[00:14:25] would be used for cooling, hence the calls on the capacity market
[00:14:29] and also grid overloads
[00:14:32] that could appear, I just watched your conversation, I think two days
[00:14:36] ago on RMF, and you said that we have a surplus, that
[00:14:39] we are selling, yes, as it seemed to me as if
[00:14:43] there was no threat at all. So there is no threat to
[00:14:46] the functioning of enterprises, I started from that, however,
[00:14:50] the situation when it comes to managing the system is very difficult due
[00:14:53] to...
[00:14:56] yes, these purely environmental and
[00:14:59] geological factors that I mentioned, however, please do not
[00:15:02] worry, our system works
[00:15:06] the fact that these extreme
[00:15:09] temperatures in summer and extreme
[00:15:13] temperatures a few months ago in winter, it was
[00:15:16] the hardest winter in years, all this affects the functioning of the power
[00:15:19] system, I am talking about this because this
[00:15:23] safety buffer we must... increase, we must have even
[00:15:26] more newer gas units, yes, in the future, a nuclear power plant
[00:15:30] without any delays, even more funds spent on energy storage and
[00:15:34] even more funds spent on the grid, it's not like
[00:15:37] it's a constant state, no, we have to do more and
[00:15:41] more, so that this system is so safe, and the president said today
[00:15:45] that you don't want society to express its opinion, that
[00:15:48] there should be democracy, because the Senate just rejected again, by the way,
[00:15:51] the motion for a referendum on climate
[00:15:54] policy. But from the president's referendum, prices in Poland will not
[00:15:57] fall, meaning it's a purely political
[00:16:01] maneuver, by the way, uh, well, I want to leave the ETS and
[00:16:04] I want to see it in the bills, why? Referring
[00:16:07] to the earlier part of the statement, Mr. President states it directly,
[00:16:11] purely populistically, because he knows that the ETS system cannot be left, and if we left it, purely
[00:16:15] hypothetically, it would be very difficult, of course, entrepreneurs
[00:16:17] would have to break many agreements
[00:16:20] already signed, they would be subject to other taxes, a tax, it would be more
[00:16:24] costly than being in the system, yes, it would also affect these
[00:16:28] enterprises, it would be a huge hindrance for them,
[00:16:31] finally, this also needs to be made clear to the
[00:16:33] President, Madam Editor, for the power
[00:16:37] system, ETS also means less, ETS needs
[00:16:41] to be changed, not for the worse as Mateusz Morawiecki did, which
[00:16:44] we also hear today from the mouths of PiS politicians themselves, he was
[00:16:48] the face of this climate policy,
[00:16:51] but you cannot leave it without, frankly, leaving the European
[00:16:54] Union. The only fight he knows is patting, I quote,
[00:16:58] faces in the forest, that's what you said about the president in March, well,
[00:17:02] the politics of love, that's not it,
[00:17:05] I had no illusions from the very beginning regarding ...
[00:17:11] How is it that the Chief of the General Staff goes to the President,
[00:17:15] "a wall behind the Polish uniform, you Polish
[00:17:18] soldiers," he said, "you will set the direction of development for the Polish
[00:17:21] army." The head of the Armament Agency, General Kuptel,
[00:17:25] unequivocally in favor of the "Save" program, so who is
[00:17:29] a greater authority for him, who advised
[00:17:31] him not to sign this law?
[00:17:35] Well, Mr. Cęckiewicz announced publicly that he advises. Well, he
[00:17:39] is not an authority who could compete with those who
[00:17:42] are currently concerned with the security of the Polish state, and the PSL regrets that it accepted this
[00:17:46] presidential project concerning Poland, because today Karol Nawrocki also referred to this in
[00:17:50] his long speech, he said that you borrowed
[00:17:53] even with errors this project, another project, a better project,
[00:17:57] because that project exceeded the president's
[00:18:00] competences as explicitly stated in the constitution.
[00:18:03] And we will see how Mr. President behaves, whether he signs the law, which if
[00:18:07] it comes, because it seems that there is no
[00:18:09] willingness in the coalition to work on it. We are in favor
[00:18:13] of this project for several reasons, substantive
[00:18:16] and political. Politically, we cannot give Law and Justice a reason to say that we did not
[00:18:20] use some funds that President Grapiński has, but at the same time
[00:18:24] you say that there are some funds, we say check,
[00:18:27] we say check, we say check and
[00:18:30] it is not excluded that this action that President
[00:18:34] Grapiński could perform as President of the National Bank of Poland, selling
[00:18:37] gold, could be generated partly for defense, and partly, yes, maybe for other
[00:18:41] things, this is the discussion today with our coalition partners, also
[00:18:45] areas such as healthcare or precisely
[00:18:49] support for those whom President Nawrocki did not want to help,
[00:18:52] i.e. the border guard or uniformed services. Mateusz Morawiecki also
[00:18:56] throws down the gauntlet to the PSL, because he says more and more often that he wants to take over
[00:19:00] the voters of the Third Way. I don't have the Third Way, but
[00:19:03] it was together with the PSL, Poland 2050 alliance.
[00:19:08] Will he succeed? I remember in 2018 how
[00:19:11] he tried, how he fought with the PSL, how he tried to
[00:19:15] destroy us, then he tried to encourage us to
[00:19:18] a common, to a common government, a common government to
[00:19:22] a coalition, and now again to fight. No, he is a hypocrite, he is
[00:19:25] PiS, everyone knows that perfectly, there is
[00:19:28] no, no one should have any
[00:19:31] illusions, he thinks and says something
[00:19:35] else today just because it is politically
[00:19:38] convenient for him, but he is 100% responsible for everything that happened
[00:19:42] under the previous government, from the National
[00:19:44] Foundation, from TVP, from Jacek Kurski, for that hate, for that
[00:19:48] propaganda, for that hatred, for
[00:19:52] yes, also the issue
[00:19:55] of the right to... the destruction of the abortion compromise,
[00:19:59] what a lamb he is today,
[00:20:01] I mean, he is 100% responsible for everything that happened
[00:20:05] under the previous government.
[00:20:07] With the National Foundation, with TVP, with Jacek
[00:20:11] Kurski, for that hate, for that propaganda, for that
[00:20:14] hatred, for yes, also
[00:20:17] the issue of the right to...
[00:20:21] the destruction of the abortion compromise, what a lamb he
[00:20:24] is today, he talks a little differently today
[00:20:28] only and exclusively because it is politically convenient for him, however, he is 100%
[00:20:31] responsible for everything that happened
[00:20:35] under the previous government with the National
[00:20:38] Foundation, with TVP, with Jacek Kurski, for that hate, for that
[00:20:41] propaganda, for that hatred, for
[00:20:44] yes, also the question of the right to...
[00:20:48] the destruction of the abortion compromise, what a lamb he
[00:20:52] has revealed himself to be today.