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[00:01:25] Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to today's question. Justyna Dobroszoracz, I also invite
[00:01:29] Miłosz. Motyka, he is the Minister of Energy, good evening, Mr.
[00:01:32] Minister, good evening, Mr. Minister, what do we not know about
[00:01:36] President Nawrocki, what do you know, seeing
[00:01:39] more, I see that he wants to be a leader on the
[00:01:42] right, that's already the case, I have such an impression,
[00:01:46] the speech that just ended, I had the impression that it was already
[00:01:49] a campaign speech before the parliamentary elections in
[00:01:52] 2027, President Nawrocki from the beginning
[00:01:56] of his term had one task to make the government's life difficult and he does it at every step, taking...
[00:02:00] citizens hostage, we see that, but on the other hand, it is done so that
[00:02:03] those forces that are evidently unable to find a leader today,
[00:02:08] Personal finances on a whether in the person of Mateusz Morawiecki, or in the person of Jarosław Kaczyński, he stopped being that
[00:02:11] leader, or God forbid
[00:02:14] in the persons of Grzegorz Braun or the Confederation, where we have
[00:02:18] two leaders Krzysztof Bosak, and Sławomir Menencen, they are looking for
[00:02:21] such a patron in Karol Nawrocki, he wants to be one, the first step is
[00:02:25] of course a senatorial pact, but it is not excluded that he will also propose
[00:02:29] a broader agreement for the Sejm, because he sees that
[00:02:32] in terms of electoral arithmetic it would certainly be more profitable, and
[00:02:36] finally he would also end
[00:02:39] the long-standing leadership of Jarosław
[00:02:42] Kaczyński on the Polish right, but the President said today that
[00:02:46] from his perspective he is being blocked by the government and not
[00:02:49] the other way around, that you are taking voters hostage
[00:02:53] of Poles, in one of the interviews
[00:02:56] before taking office as president. Karol Nawrocki
[00:03:00] said that regardless of the government, he would perfectly cope with all
[00:03:03] possible problems and implement what he proposed, today we see that his
[00:03:07] effectiveness is none, and he blocks and, frankly,
[00:03:11] he himself is happy about it, very good solutions,
[00:03:15] good solutions and such that would never hinder him, are not
[00:03:18] ideological projects, but only so that
[00:03:22] the government has a harder time, and frankly, often his associates
[00:03:26] do not even hide it, but for example, the reduction of electricity
[00:03:29] prices by 3% was such a famous flagship promise
[00:03:33] of President Nawrocki, unrealized,
[00:03:35] it was supposed to be within 100 days, but now the President says: well, the law was
[00:03:39] blocked by Speaker Czarzasty, you certainly reviewed it,
[00:03:43] how is it with this blockade, because I know how many times
[00:03:46] the Speaker called the presidential palace, that they presented sources
[00:03:50] of financing, the law has one basic task, frankly, very simply to our citizens,
[00:03:54] to transfer costs from the bill to the state budget, i.e., you will pay less
[00:03:57] on the bill. part of a percentage, because it
[00:04:01] will not be 33%, and you will pay more in indirect taxes, because it is simply
[00:04:05] a VAT reduction, it is of course a transfer of part of the fees, but what is that? It's just
[00:04:08] from one pocket to another pocket, it will be taken from one pocket and not from
[00:04:12] the other, to make electricity cheaper, its price should be lowered, not only and
[00:04:15] exclusively indirect costs, i.e., taxes,
[00:04:18] of course, in this regard, the President also has a lot on his conscience, because he blocked
[00:04:22] a law that would guarantee a systemic solution when it comes to lower prices, today we
[00:04:25] see what lowers electricity prices, it's renewable sources and energy storage,
[00:04:29] unfortunately. The President prefers not to
[00:04:32] do that, he prefers,
[00:04:34] change, low water frankly, to trick citizens
[00:04:37] by shifting costs from one pocket to relieve them, but
[00:04:41] to add to the other, well, today he also hinted, sticking a pin in
[00:04:45] your side, that you want to remove
[00:04:48] ETS from the bill so that Poles don't
[00:04:51] know how much they have to pay, first of all, the
[00:04:54] President is a supporter of exiting the ETS system, so
[00:04:57] he should, ironically, be happy about it.
[00:05:00] However, frankly, it is another step
[00:05:02] price, there is towards the proposal to simplify electricity
[00:05:05] bills, the President said that they are in the election campaign, admittedly, so
[00:05:09] complicated that they cannot be understood, so we passed a law, and now... we are passing
[00:05:12] a regulation, but apparently he does not want it, so he has to decide whether
[00:05:16] he wants the bills to be complicated, so that all items are
[00:05:20] listed, or if he wants them to be simple? We want them to be simple, everyone who
[00:05:23] follows energy will also be able to access
[00:05:27] data and know how much indirect costs such as the emissions trading
[00:05:31] system cost. Mr.
[00:05:33] Minister, the issue concerning what we are currently
[00:05:36] observing in energy, we will get to that in a moment, but at the end
[00:05:40] there is still this strictly political thread, you will
[00:06:13] be able to be one foot in the presidential palace, this is, this is a bit of conjecture,
[00:06:19] I think that if we had all realized earlier that from
[00:06:23] the president of the IPN one could become the president of Poland, and there were
[00:06:26] many more candidates from PiS back then, it was never Karol
[00:06:30] Nawrocki, then no one
[00:06:33] would have paved the way for him,
[00:06:36] back then he also behaved completely differently, it must be admitted, there was also no
[00:06:39] alternative, it was connected with
[00:06:42] the election of the Human Rights Ombudsman, it was a chance to depoliticize this
[00:06:46] institution, we remember who was proposed by PiS for the Human Rights
[00:06:49] Ombudsman, politicians to the core like Mr. Wrublewski, this was managed
[00:06:53] to be blocked, the People's Party gave a chance to the president, this changed after
[00:06:56] the blocking of the Sejm,
[00:06:59] from the beginning he was very reluctant to cooperate with
[00:07:02] the government, I had no illusions about it, the constitutional
[00:07:06] obligation, we are talking here about the Minister of National Defense Władysław Kośniak
[00:07:09] Kamysz, but he fulfills it. rests
[00:07:13] cooperation in times
[00:07:16] especially so dangerous with the presidential camp, with
[00:07:19] the National Security Bureau, however, this pure politics from the
[00:07:23] presidential palace, well, it's an overstatement, well, it's simply disgusting and it's
[00:07:26] a lie, because the save program is not
[00:07:30] any, any usury, it is
[00:07:32] enabling rapid modernization of the armed forces, and the president simply
[00:07:36] changed his mind on this matter, and I invite you now to TVP Info, where I will
[00:07:40] ask, among other things, whether there will be... lowering prices at
[00:07:43] gas stations,
[00:07:49] so as not to be unfounded, Mr. Minister, there is a decision, there will be an attempt
[00:07:52] to lower prices at these stations again, there is no decision,
[00:07:55] we are looking into this matter, decisions will probably be made next
[00:07:59] week, something that is
[00:08:03] this geopolitical situation, we see in the coming days,
[00:08:06] in accordance with the declaration we hear from fuel concerns, it will probably have a positive
[00:08:10] impact on gas stations, but
[00:08:12] this dynamic is so huge that you never know if in a few hours
[00:08:16] the situation will not reverse again, so today
[00:08:20] it would be too early to make such a declaration from
[00:08:23] the Prime Minister and it is also
[00:08:26] in terms of returning from vacation for the last two
[00:08:30] weeks, the CPN package would return, it's too early for such
[00:08:33] political pressure, Mr. Minister, it is very high in this matter, the price of
[00:08:37] diesel is now the highest in history, do you personally
[00:08:41] pressure the Minister of Finance? We believe
[00:08:50] that the market should verify these up to
[00:08:53] a certain point, of course, if the prices
[00:08:57] are, of course, very high for Polish drivers, but
[00:09:00] in accordance with the state budget, if we implement this policy
[00:09:04] responsibly, then yes, if these prices skyrocket, if they
[00:09:07] fall
[00:09:10] and there is a calming on
[00:09:14] world markets as well, then the justification is smaller, next week, you say, this decision
[00:09:18] regardless of the fact that the president, well, in a sense, blocked
[00:09:21] the tax on oil, I am a supporter of us working
[00:09:25] on a new version of the tax on excess profits, despite
[00:09:27] this extremely stupid decision of the
[00:09:30] President, meaning he had many disastrous decisions this
[00:09:33] year, from not appointing
[00:09:37] ambassadors, about whom there were no doubts, to not unblocking
[00:09:41] the Constitutional Tribunal for those... who had no problems regarding
[00:09:44] their achievements and procedural path
[00:09:47] to becoming a judge, well, but this is, this is a total
[00:09:51] delusion, how could he stand by the corporations, when even his political
[00:09:55] idol Donald Trump says that corporations in such a situation should share
[00:09:58] the excess profits they generate, well, the President claimed
[00:10:02] that these companies would
[00:10:05] pass on the prices to citizens, that's how they would
[00:10:08] I ask publicly, how when I issue
[00:10:11] an announcement. Time for maximum no
[00:10:15] chance for that,
[00:10:17] there is no chance for that, because then, taking funds from the CPN package for
[00:10:21] VAT reduction excise duty, so what is the veto about?
[00:10:27] But it's not a veto, excuse me, but it's really a motion to the Constitutional
[00:10:30] Tribunal, but the Tribunal is blocked, so
[00:10:33] it works a bit like a veto, first of all,
[00:10:37] to hinder the government's work, that's for sure, secondly, to blame the government,
[00:10:40] so it wouldn't succeed, like with the save program, it will be
[00:10:43] harder, but what do you expect from
[00:10:46] the president now, some move, and the third thing, I think that
[00:10:50] some fuel concerns found a quick path to the president,
[00:10:53] do you want to say that it was
[00:10:57] corporate lobbying, yes, that the
[00:11:00] indicates that, yes, he succumbed to lobbying,
[00:11:04] he has terrible advisors, we know that,
[00:11:06] however, yes, in this matter he succumbed
[00:11:09] to the lobbying of concerns, not necessarily Polish, well, there was also
[00:11:12] the issue that the law does not work retroactively, and yet
[00:11:16] these companies had to pay, of course, I will also
[00:11:19] refer to that, if it comes to that, it is difficult
[00:11:23] to delay with a tax on excess profits. situations in which they were not generated, they
[00:11:26] are always generated at the right time, i.e., up to a
[00:11:30] certain point, from the moment of crisis, however, such
[00:11:33] a law, when it comes to the tax on excess profits,
[00:11:37] inf tax, it is not only a Polish practice, it is a practice of the whole world,
[00:11:41] it was adopted in other European countries and it was adopted
[00:11:44] by the governments of our predecessors also then it concerned
[00:11:48] the tax on excess profits generated earlier, because only then did they
[00:11:51] occur, finally, from excess, i.e., from a percentage...
[00:11:55] above 20%
[00:11:57] profit greater than in the previous year, so
[00:12:01] here this cushion guaranteeing a large profit,
[00:12:04] this 20%, it is yes, 20% we consider
[00:12:08] as natural, normal profit, not excess, is
[00:12:10] large, so this also protects against eventual reductions,
[00:12:14] but you saw how a fragment of your statement
[00:12:17] is circulating online, you got carried away,
[00:12:20] no, you said that gasoline cost
[00:12:24] 5.19 before Trump's war. there was such a moment, but it wasn't like that, meaning the average was higher,
[00:12:27] indeed, incidentally at certain stations it was 519, I referred to that,
[00:12:31] I referred to those stations, to what the Prime Minister also
[00:12:34] published, the average was 522,
[00:12:37] 524 at the end of 20
[00:12:41] 25 year, when it comes to
[00:12:44] 95 octane gasoline, because of course some referred to
[00:12:48] the price of diesel, however, I referred to it in a broad
[00:12:51] statement to what is responsible for it, because today we hear that the Prime Minister... is responsible
[00:12:55] for high prices, so I referred to the fact that the Prime Minister is not responsible
[00:12:59] for the war in the Middle East, the Prime Minister nor the government is not responsible for the smaller
[00:13:03] number of refineries, the Prime Minister, nor the government, nor I, nor Minister Domański are
[00:13:06] responsible for blocking this tax, and finally
[00:13:10] we are not responsible for how disastrously the market structure was laid out in
[00:13:14] Poland, that we have to import more diesel and less
[00:13:17] in the market structure, meaning today Orlen, these are all decisions of
[00:13:21] our predecessors, and finally, madam
[00:13:23] editor, I'm looking at the clock on July
[00:13:26] 28, Daniel Obajtek stated at one of the press conferences
[00:13:30] that in a few days he knows, there will be no fuel
[00:13:33] at Polish gas stations, he repeated this thesis in various
[00:13:36] television stations, I want to say today that he is a shameless liar and I would ask citizens not to
[00:13:40] succumb to such blackmail
[00:13:43] by PiS political officers, because this is precisely this rhetoric,
[00:13:46] lies, deceit, throwing slogans
[00:13:50] to stir up chaos, to denigrate the government, of course. He has probably
[00:13:53] forgotten about it, fuel is at gas stations, there is no threat to supplies, this
[00:13:57] was the government's fundamental task to ensure that, but what they
[00:14:00] say is, of course, repeated,
[00:14:03] the power plants in Kozienice and Połaniec, both of them
[00:14:06] reduced operations due to the low water level in the Vistula, how serious is
[00:14:09] the situation, the current situation due to the
[00:14:13] hydrological situation in Poland is, is
[00:14:15] one of the most difficult when it comes to the functioning and
[00:14:19] ensuring the stability of the power system, especially in recent
[00:14:22] years.
[00:14:25] There is a lot of
[00:14:27] work from the operators, but I want to say that in Poland, the energy sector is fighting
[00:14:31] this situation, with this situation
[00:14:34] in other countries, in Serbia, like in
[00:14:37] Hungary, the whole economy is fighting, there
[00:14:40] are reduced to a minimum, but I ask you if
[00:14:44] the system is really a systemic threat or not,
[00:14:47] there is no risk of a
[00:14:50] blackout today, however, this situation is very
[00:14:53] difficult due to, well, we have to say it directly, due to progressive climate
[00:14:59] levels, and high water
[00:15:02] temperatures that would be used for
[00:15:05] cooling, hence the calls on the power market and
[00:15:08] also grid overloads
[00:15:12] that could occur, I just watched your conversation, I think two days
[00:15:16] ago on RMF and you said that we have a surplus, that we
[00:15:19] sell, as if I thought there was
[00:15:22] no threat at all...
[00:15:33] Due to these
[00:15:36] factors. purely environmental and geological ones I mentioned,
[00:15:40] however, please do not worry, our system operates
[00:15:46] the fact that these extreme
[00:15:49] temperatures in summer and extreme
[00:15:52] temperatures a few months ago in winter, it was the hardest
[00:15:56] winter in years, all this affects the functioning of the power
[00:15:59] system, I am saying this because we must
[00:16:03] increase this safety buffer, we must have even
[00:16:06] more newer gas-fired power plants, in the future a nuclear power plant
[00:16:10] without any delays, even more funds to spend on energy storage and
[00:16:14] even more funds to spend on the grid, it's not like
[00:16:17] it's some constant, no, we have to do more and
[00:16:21] more for this system to be so safe, and the president said
[00:16:24] today that you don't want the society to express itself, for there to be
[00:16:28] democracy, because the Senate just rejected again, by the way,
[00:16:31] the motion for a referendum on climate
[00:16:34] policy, but the president's referendum will not fall in Poland?
[00:16:39] I mean, it's a purely political move,
[00:16:41] anyway, I want to get out - and I want to see him
[00:16:44] in the bills, why? Referring
[00:16:47] to the earlier part of the statement, the president says it directly,
[00:16:51] purely populistically, because he knows that the ETS system cannot be exited, and if we hypothetically
[00:16:54] exited, it would be very difficult, of course entrepreneurs
[00:16:57] would have to break a number of agreements already signed,
[00:17:00] they would be subject to other taxes, a border tax, it would be more
[00:17:04] costly than being in the system, yes, yes, and it would have an impact.
[00:17:16] to make you aware, for the power system, ETS also means less, ETS
[00:17:20] needs to be changed, not
[00:17:22] for the worse like Mateusz Morawiecki did, which we also know today from the
[00:17:26] mouths of PiS politicians themselves, he was the
[00:17:29] face of this climate policy, but you can't exit it
[00:17:33] without, frankly, exiting the European Union. The only fight he
[00:17:36] knows is. I quote: "after the murders in the forest," that's what you said about
[00:17:40] the president in March, well, politics of love it is
[00:17:43] not, I had no illusions from the very beginning regarding
[00:17:47] the president's intentions, and I said that, it was within the scope of the save program,
[00:17:50] yes, I remember, how is it that the Chief of General Staff goes to the
[00:17:54] president, "a wall for the Polish uniform, you Polish
[00:17:58] soldiers will," he said, "set the directions for the development of the Polish army,"
[00:18:01] the head of the Armaments Agency,
[00:18:05] General Kuptel, goes to him, much more for the save
[00:18:08] program, so who is a greater authority for
[00:18:11] him, who advised him not to sign
[00:18:15] this law? Well, Mr. Cieszkiewicz came forward
[00:18:17] publicly, saying he advised, well, he is not an authority who could
[00:18:21] compete with those who deal with the security of the Polish
[00:18:24] state today, and the PSL regrets that it accepted this presidential project about Polish, because today
[00:18:27] Karol Nawrocki also referred to this in his long speech,
[00:18:31] he said that you borrowed this project, even with errors, a different, better
[00:18:35] project. A project,
[00:18:38] because that project exceeded the president's
[00:18:42] competencies explicitly written in the constitution,
[00:18:45] and we will see how the president behaves, whether he signs the law, which
[00:18:48] if it comes, because it seems there is no desire in the coalition
[00:18:52] to work on it? We are supporters of this project
[00:18:55] for several reasons, substantive and political, politically we
[00:18:59] cannot give Law and Justice a reason to say that we did not use any funds
[00:19:03] that President Grapiński has, but at the same time you say there are some
[00:19:06] funds? We say check, we say check, we say
[00:19:09] check, and it is not excluded that this action that President Grapiński
[00:19:13] could take as the president of the National Bank of Poland, the sale of gold,
[00:19:17] could be generated partly for defense, and partly yes, maybe for
[00:19:21] other things, that's what we're discussing today with our coalition partners,
[00:19:24] also areas like healthcare,
[00:19:26] or precisely support for those whom President
[00:19:30] Nawrocki did not want to help, i.e., the Border Guard or uniformed
[00:19:33] services, Mateusz Morawiecki also attacks the PSL?
[00:19:52] year when he tried, when he fought with the PSL, when he tried to destroy us, later he tried
[00:19:56] to encourage us to form a joint
[00:20:00] government, a joint government, a coalition, and now again
[00:20:03] to fight, no, he is a hypocrite, he is PiS, everyone knows
[00:20:06] that perfectly well. There are no, no one should
[00:20:09] have any illusions, he thinks
[00:20:13] and says something different today, but for years he did the same
[00:20:16] thing as Jarosław Kaczyński, as
[00:20:19] Matecki, as Mejza, these are the faces that
[00:20:23] stood behind Mateusz Morawiecki and today
[00:20:25] he is unable to cleanse himself of this, and do you imagine any alliance
[00:20:29] with Mateusz Morawiecki, never on the corpse, no, I don't
[00:20:33] imagine Mateusz Morawiecki as
[00:20:37] Prime Minister. he was responsible for, although
[00:20:40] now he says he wasn't responsible, maybe that's why
[00:20:47] all the scandals
[00:20:50] of the previous government, he did not explain them,
[00:20:53] I did not hear any criticism
[00:20:56] regarding these brazen
[00:20:59] statements of PiS politicians
[00:21:02] already after the coalition of October 15
[00:21:05] took power regarding other politicians, so he thinks
[00:21:09] and speaks a little differently today only and exclusively because it is politically
[00:21:13] convenient for him, but he is 100% responsible for
[00:21:16] everything that happened under the previous government with the national foundation. With
[00:21:20] TVP, with Jacek Kurski, for this hate, for this propaganda, for
[00:21:23] this hatred, for yes, also
[00:21:26] the issue of the right to
[00:21:30] destroy the abortion compromise, what a lamb he has appeared
[00:21:33] today, he is actually a wolf in sheep's clothing. The Senate rejected the candidacy of
[00:21:37] Mateusz Szpytma for the president
[00:21:40] of the IPN, well, you supported him in the Sejm, and now
[00:21:44] what, now there will be a new
[00:21:46] candidate, certainly worse, but you regret it, so I understand.
[00:21:50] I think he was the best possible candidate, who cooperated with
[00:21:53] various presidents of the Institute of National Remembrance, also with Karol Dawroski, but also with Leon
[00:21:57] Kieres, well yes, but some say that you cannot trust Mr.
[00:22:01] Szpytma, I believe that worse ones
[00:22:04] will come, and unfortunately, why can't we find
[00:22:07] a better candidate, why should worse ones come immediately,
[00:22:11] the IPN College indicates these
[00:22:13] candidates, nothing indicates that a better one
[00:22:16] should appear, Mr. Poleowski. is such
[00:22:20] a Karol Nawrocki 2.0 in the institute, but I understand that
[00:22:23] you won't be tearing your hair out about it in the coalition, no, absolutely not, we
[00:22:27] also presented our position, also the scientific
[00:22:30] work of President Szpytma, which we highly rate, in terms
[00:22:34] of how he cared for the peasant movement, for the heritage
[00:22:37] of the peasant movement, how much was achieved in the program
[00:22:40] basis, but also in the activities of the Institute of National Remembrance
[00:22:44] from this area, is also close to us, because it is in our
[00:22:47] program basis as a political party. So it would be difficult for us not to
[00:22:51] appreciate it, hence our support was unambiguous. Thank you very much for this
[00:22:55] conversation, I also thank you all, see you again.
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