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[00:00:40] In front of Pekal's headquarters, where a board meeting is just beginning, at which
[00:00:43] a decision may be made to dismiss Radosław Piesiewicz from his position as head,
[00:00:47] is Marcin Czabski, we will talk about this in the service,
[00:00:50] meanwhile, in front of the Academy of Justice,
[00:00:52] Zuzanna Kuczyńska, who will speak about the behavior of MP Antoni Macierewicz, who violated
[00:00:56] the bodily integrity of a police officer. We begin the service,
[00:01:00] welcome.
[00:01:01] The Minister of National Defense, Władysław
[00:01:11] Kosiniak Kamysz, informed on service X about the Polish
[00:01:14] army's acquisition of a drone over the Baltic Sea. As we read in the
[00:01:18] statement, in the area of the beach in the town of Rusinowo near
[00:01:22] Jarosławiec, the army located and retrieved a drone from the
[00:01:25] Baltic Sea. Preliminary inspections indicate
[00:01:28] that it is a military unmanned aerial vehicle originating from Russia. On site, services
[00:01:32] are carrying out activities related to securing the scene of the
[00:01:36] incident and the retrieved equipment.
[00:01:39] The Minister of Interior and Administration, Marcin
[00:01:44] Kierwiński, has filed a report with the prosecutor's office regarding the possibility of
[00:01:47] Antoni Macierewicz committing a crime. This concerns yesterday's incident, in which the
[00:01:50] Law and Justice MP violated the bodily integrity of a police officer. As
[00:01:54] we read in the minister's statement: "After Macierewicz's scandalous behavior
[00:01:58] towards Polish police officers, I decided to file a report with
[00:02:02] the prosecutor's office regarding the possibility of Antoni Macierewicz committing a crime.
[00:02:05] Enough is enough, Macierewicz must answer for his attack on Polish
[00:02:09] police officers." Law and Justice MP Antoni
[00:02:12] Macierewicz violated the bodily integrity of a police officer,
[00:02:14] and this situation occurred precisely
[00:02:17] according to experts, these during the politician's attempt to enter the Academy of Justice, where for several
[00:02:20] days there has been a power dispute
[00:02:23] border, these in academia. Well, today, compared to yesterday,
[00:02:26] it's quite calm, because the situation we're talking about, and both from Minister Kierwiński and the posts
[00:02:30] Russia not only...
[00:02:39] that are appearing, concern yesterday, and today is another day,
[00:02:42] another attempt to enter the building of the Academy of Justice.
[00:02:46] Michał Sopiński was here, and so was Antoni Macierewicz,
[00:02:50] but let's see then how it looked.
[00:02:53] The police are blocking the way for the MP to the Sejm of the Republic of
[00:02:57] Poland. Sir, I don't know, do you have a
[00:03:14] service number? Yes, a number.
[00:03:17] If you behave like that,
[00:03:24] just like your
[00:03:26] colleague, I'll have to refer you to
[00:03:35] court, do you understand? Because what you're doing is a crime,
[00:03:38] I have the right, in accordance with the law,
[00:03:42] to enter as an MP, and you're
[00:03:45] stopping me. I don't intend
[00:03:49] to fight you, as you might imagine.
[00:03:53] Today, the Law and Justice MP. To explain
[00:03:55] yesterday's situation, let's hear the
[00:03:58] MP's words:
[00:04:08] There was an attempt to violate my
[00:04:09] my
[00:04:13] officer, but I must say that I don't really
[00:04:17] worry about such things, because as an
[00:04:20] MP for many, many decades,
[00:04:24] I know that what is important above all...
[00:04:27] is that the law be implemented, and regardless of
[00:04:30] how police officers behave, regardless of how various
[00:04:34] officers behave, an MP has
[00:04:38] an obligation to implement the
[00:04:41] law.
[00:04:43] The Law and Justice MP apparently claims that his bodily integrity
[00:04:47] was violated, he appeared here today, as I mentioned, in front
[00:04:50] of the Academy of Justice, now this protest,
[00:04:54] which has been going on for several days, as you mentioned, is already
[00:04:57] quite peaceful, there are a few people who are still
[00:05:01] here outside the building, outside
[00:05:03] the AWS building, Michał Sopiński was also there, who also tried
[00:05:07] to enter here, he still maintains the fact
[00:05:10] that in his opinion this dismissal did not take place, because
[00:05:14] this document was not delivered to him in the proper manner, today he was also at
[00:05:17] the Ministry of Justice and was waiting for Waldemar Żurek to collect this
[00:05:21] document, however, it did not happen, he still wants
[00:05:24] to perform this function, he is ready for it, but
[00:05:28] according to Waldemar Żurek's decision, these functions are already
[00:05:32] being performed, they are already being performed, just a moment,
[00:05:35] excuse me, Sławomir Cudak.
[00:05:39] Zuzanna Kuczyńska with this information for you, thank you.
[00:05:43] There is no consent for anyone to touch a uniformed officer,
[00:05:47] emphasized the chairman of the main board of NSZZ
[00:05:49] Solidarność of Police Officers, Rafał Jankowski.
[00:05:52] Of course, those officers who were on duty at the
[00:05:56] Academy building did it on orders.
[00:05:59] They did it as they
[00:06:03] should. There is no consent for
[00:06:06] anyone to touch the uniform of this
[00:06:10] officer with their finger.
[00:06:42] with the participation of Law and Justice politicians, my guest and yours
[00:06:45] is Tomasz Trela, MP of the New Left, good morning,
[00:06:49] MP, good morning, madam, good morning everyone, Antoni Macierewicz, who
[00:06:52] approaches a police officer, starts touching his uniform,
[00:06:56] admonishes him, waves his
[00:06:59] parliamentary ID card in front of him, what kind of behavior is this and what
[00:07:02] does it indicate? First of all, it indicates that Antoni
[00:07:06] Macierewicz has completely and utterly
[00:07:08] lost his mind. I mean, how he behaved a few days ago, let's remember.
[00:07:12] He ran around at the Smoleńsk monthly commemoration
[00:07:15] with a paint gun, now he starts touching a police officer,
[00:07:19] violates his bodily integrity, this is an article of the penal
[00:07:23] code, there is an appropriate paragraph for this, but above all he threatens
[00:07:26] officers, saying that they will be held accountable for it, he will
[00:07:29] take him to court, he thinks that a parliamentary ID card is
[00:07:33] a pass to any mess that Law and Justice would
[00:07:36] like to create. Everything has come undone, polls are falling,
[00:07:40] everything indicates that many Law and Justice politicians will not
[00:07:43] be in the next parliament, and they are starting to do such stupid things.
[00:07:47] Does Macierewicz feel immune due to his parliamentary immunity?
[00:07:50] Macierewicz feels immune and I have the impression that Macierewicz
[00:07:54] is trying very hard to resemble Braun, who also causes
[00:07:57] such excesses with a fire extinguisher, with
[00:08:00] burning flags, with bursting into
[00:08:04] conferences at a university, and Macierewicz would like to be a Law and Justice
[00:08:07] Braun, he would also like to draw attention to himself by
[00:08:10] doing extreme things, but Antoni Macierewicz does stupid things, he was the former Minister
[00:08:14] of National Defense, he was responsible for uniformed services, today
[00:08:18] he disgraces that uniform and it's good that
[00:08:22] he was responsible and it's good that he won't be responsible anymore, because he is a person
[00:08:25] who really is not right in the head and
[00:08:28] first of all, he should be dealt with by the uniformed
[00:08:32] services, secondly, a doctor would also be needed here to check all this
[00:08:35] and verify if something hasn't gone wrong there, he is a very
[00:08:39] dangerous fellow, fortunately today it is already...
[00:08:43] On the internet, we also see a video featuring Law and Justice MP Mariusz Gosek, who
[00:08:46] walks around with an activated phone, circling
[00:08:50] a police officer and trying to explain
[00:08:53] his behavior, namely that he would like to
[00:08:55] break into the headquarters of the academy? Well, this is harassment
[00:08:59] of police officers, this is showing
[00:09:03] that I am immortal here, I am Gosek,
[00:09:05] who has immunity, and what will the officer do to me, but I think
[00:09:09] Poland sees this. The public opinion is watching this, and such
[00:09:13] a Gosek has a well-established reputation among logical citizens
[00:09:16] of our country. Since last week, Law and Justice MP
[00:09:20] Maria Kurowska has been arriving at the building. Why does Law and Justice defend the Academy of Justice
[00:09:24] as its last bastion? Well, because they themselves invented this institution, they
[00:09:27] themselves put their own official,
[00:09:31] almost a party hack, at the head of this institution, they are doing everything to fight,
[00:09:35] but they are also doing it for propaganda in their media,
[00:09:38] friendly Law and Justice media, because there they are constantly, 24 hours
[00:09:42] a day, heating this up and trying to show these hardline Law and Justice
[00:09:46] voters that they are in the right and they are fighting for
[00:09:49] justice. Thank you for your comment, my guest
[00:09:53] and yours was Tomasz Trella, MP of the New Left, I would just like to remind
[00:09:56] you that the Minister of Justice, Prosecutor General, dismissed Dr. Michał
[00:10:00] Sopiński from the position of rector. He was the rector of the Academy
[00:10:03] of Justice, and in his place, Professor Sławomir Cudak
[00:10:07] was appointed by the Minister of Justice. So we're staying in the Sejm, because there,
[00:10:10] Deputy Minister of Defense Cezary Tomczyk, let's listen. Poland
[00:10:14] is today, in many respects, the number one target
[00:10:18] when it comes to hybrid attacks or observations. When it comes
[00:10:21] to, for example,
[00:10:25] attacks on our military cyber
[00:10:28] networks, we are among the top three
[00:10:31] in the world when it comes to observations, observation drones,
[00:10:35] all that is happening. I just want to also warn
[00:10:38] you, and I think it is also important, let's build this
[00:10:42] resilience, which means it will be like this as long as the threat
[00:10:46] from Russia exists.
[00:10:48] We will be tested in various
[00:10:51] ways, we will be tested, observation planes or fighters will
[00:10:55] appear, we will intercept them in the international waters in the Polish economic
[00:10:58] zone, drones will appear,
[00:11:02] various kinds of threats may appear, and we
[00:11:06] will counteract them, we will simply build this awareness and
[00:11:10] social resilience. So I understand that at this stage it's also difficult to say how it got
[00:11:13] there, how exactly it looked, when it
[00:11:16] happened, we will inform you if there is any
[00:11:20] new information, thank you very much, just quickly about shelters,
[00:11:24] we are constantly talking about the need to educate people about
[00:11:27] how to act, but people still don't know where to hide, when some
[00:11:31] information for people, an application or a map
[00:11:33] of shelters.
[00:11:35] I highly recommend the safety guide, which is also available
[00:11:38] online on the websites of the Ministry of Interior
[00:11:42] and Administration and the website of the Minister of National
[00:11:45] Defense, where all necessary information can be found,
[00:11:49] however, today we are talking about three types of alarms, the first
[00:11:52] alarm, which was introduced after...
[00:12:03] bombings occur, this is the first information people receive,
[00:12:06] it is not associated with the need for evacuation, it
[00:12:10] is associated with the need to follow messages also through your
[00:12:14] phone, however, when sirens wail in the Lublin
[00:12:17] or Subcarpathian voivodships, it is a sign that you need
[00:12:21] to look for shelter, what does that mean, it will not always
[00:12:24] be a shelter or a place of refuge, sometimes it will be an underground
[00:12:27] garage, a basement, and in the case of apartments, simply
[00:12:31] a place without windows, so that potential
[00:12:34] shrapnel cannot injure us, this is how the evacuation process
[00:12:37] works worldwide, this is how it works in Israel, this is how it works in
[00:12:41] Ukraine, it will not be such that within three minutes,
[00:12:45] which is sometimes, and sometimes that's how long a missile
[00:12:48] flight takes, everyone will be able to evacuate to shelters,
[00:12:52] even if such shelters exist
[00:12:55] in a certain city. So this is what
[00:12:59] I can say, if there are sirens, it is not a warning
[00:13:02] sign, it is a sign to find
[00:13:06] a safe place, that is, as I said, a basement, an underground
[00:13:09] garage or a place in your own home that has no windows
[00:13:13] and this is the simplest instruction that should reach as many
[00:13:17] residents of our country as possible, at what stage are the talks about a permanent
[00:13:20] American base, nothing has changed in this matter, that is the message?
[00:13:34] not only meetings in Warsaw, but also visits to industrial
[00:13:37] plants and some
[00:13:40] locations in Poland, Prime Minister Kosiniak Kamysz
[00:13:43] spoke, among other things, about the Greater Poland
[00:13:46] Voivodeship, I also conveyed to you that these
[00:13:50] two most promising locations from the Polish
[00:13:54] perspective are the Greater Poland Voivodeship and
[00:13:57] the Lower Silesian Voivodeship, but for a decision on whether this will even be possible,
[00:14:00] some time still needs to pass.
[00:14:03] Until these matters are finalized, we will not have
[00:14:07] new information to share with you. However, we are in
[00:14:11] ongoing dialogue with the American side and are exchanging
[00:14:15] information regarding potential locations, American
[00:14:18] expectations, what forces we are talking about, what capabilities we want
[00:14:22] to achieve here, that is partly why the American delegation was here.
[00:14:55] or directly from Law and Justice or from the Confederation they take money from
[00:14:58] thieves, somehow I haven't seen that make any impression on people from Law and Justice
[00:15:01] or the Confederation, thank you very much,
[00:15:04] that was Cezary Tomczyk from the Sejm, and the Minister of National Defense, Władysław Kosiniak Kamysz,
[00:15:08] informed on service X about the Polish army's acquisition of
[00:15:12] a drone from the Baltic Sea. As we read in the statement, in the area of
[00:15:15] the beach in the town of Rusinowo near Jarosławiec, the army
[00:15:19] located and retrieved a drone from the Baltic Sea. Preliminary inspections indicate that it is a military
[00:15:22] unmanned aerial vehicle. said the head of EU diplomacy,
[00:15:37] Kaja Kallas, commenting on yesterday's
[00:15:40] attack on a train in Ukraine near the Polish border. As
[00:15:44] she emphasized, we should react by supporting
[00:15:47] Ukraine.
[00:15:48] I think this attack was clearly
[00:15:51] aimed at intimidating Western countries not to support
[00:15:54] Ukraine. It was undoubtedly a message directed to the
[00:15:58] Western world. The question is: what will we take from this
[00:16:02] message? I believe that we should do the opposite:
[00:16:05] show that we stand with Ukraine, that we are not
[00:16:09] intimidated, otherwise Russia will achieve what it wants,
[00:16:12] namely the subjugation of Ukraine, and as I have
[00:16:16] repeated many times, this is not their ultimate goal, their ultimate
[00:16:19] goal goes much further.
[00:16:23] The guest of TVP Info is Dr. Michał Piekarski, a security expert
[00:16:26] from the University of
[00:16:31] Wrocław, also the Polish National Security Association, good morning
[00:16:34] sir, good morning madam, good morning everyone, Dr.,
[00:16:38] we now have another installment of this hybrid
[00:16:41] war of Russia against the rest
[00:16:45] of the Western world,
[00:16:48] another drone that was located
[00:16:51] and retrieved from the Baltic Sea
[00:16:55] in the area of the beach in Rusinowo near Jarosławiec, yesterday's
[00:16:58] attacks on the train near the Polish-Ukrainian
[00:17:00] border, is Russia testing?
[00:17:04] This is of course,
[00:17:07] here, taking into account the place where this
[00:17:10] unmanned aerial vehicle was found, although for now we do not know
[00:17:14] exactly where and what type
[00:17:17] of device it was,
[00:17:19] it is also probably a test,
[00:17:22] because it is too far for it to be a device
[00:17:26] that slipped out of control, for example,
[00:17:28] during exercises near the coast of the Kaliningrad
[00:17:32] Oblast, I would not be surprised if it were a unit
[00:17:35] intended for reconnaissance operations, whether surface,
[00:17:39] underwater, or flying, so we are constantly
[00:17:42] being tested, our reactions are constantly
[00:17:46] observed by the enemy.
[00:17:49] This testing will intensify and escalate most likely,
[00:17:54] attacks, at least yesterday's near the
[00:17:58] Polish-Ukrainian attacks on the train are not
[00:18:02] a coincidence, is it that
[00:18:07] tests this, it also checks our readiness to react in such a situation, and is this
[00:18:11] reaction, in your opinion, appropriate?
[00:18:15] Of course, however, this attack on the train
[00:18:18] most likely aimed to intimidate also those who
[00:18:21] travel to Ukraine, because previously these trains
[00:18:25] were not attacked, and in social media there were materials,
[00:18:29] reports showing that the railway runs excellently, it runs
[00:18:32] on time, here we are dealing with an attack on
[00:18:35] an international train.
[00:18:40] Besides, let's consider what happened earlier,
[00:18:44] today an interview was published,
[00:18:47] which was given by the operational commander of the armed forces, it was directly
[00:18:50] stated that there is an 80%
[00:18:54] probability that the missile that recently fell in the
[00:18:57] Lublin region was sent intentionally,
[00:19:01] and
[00:19:03] of course, the question of reaction arises, the problem is that
[00:19:08] currently the most effective reaction is simply continuous
[00:19:11] support for Ukraine so that Ukraine, by conducting its fight, and
[00:19:14] at the same time our fight, strikes at the Russians,
[00:19:18] depriving them of what they can use to aggress against us,
[00:19:21] that is, destroying their equipment, their facilities, their
[00:19:25] infrastructure. However, the question
[00:19:28] remains, of course, what
[00:19:31] if such an attack occurs that already crosses the threshold, about
[00:19:35] which... fifth, it will no longer be one
[00:19:38] missile, it will no longer be one unmanned aerial vehicle
[00:19:42] recovered from the sea, but for example, an unmanned aerial vehicle
[00:19:46] that hits a ship approaching one of our ports,
[00:19:49] or if it's a salvo of cruise missiles aimed at our
[00:19:53] critical infrastructure facilities,
[00:19:56] then we will have to respond. Here it is worth noting
[00:20:00] what Mr. Cikorski recently said in Kyiv,
[00:20:03] he announced directly: NATO
[00:20:06] has such strength, such potential in
[00:20:10] the air, that it is able to finish in six weeks what the Ukrainians
[00:20:13] have been doing for the last six months, this is a clear message
[00:20:17] to Russia. Doctor, I would also like to ask about
[00:20:20] the drone that was recovered from the Baltic Sea today,
[00:20:24] we know that this is an area where Russia's hybrid
[00:20:27] activities have been felt for a long time,
[00:20:30] GPS signal disruptions, youth who
[00:20:34] cannot receive these signals properly. Please tell me,
[00:20:37] is this also a strategic point, a strategic
[00:20:40] region that will be attacked
[00:20:43] by Russia?
[00:20:46] Of course, and...
[00:20:48] I have the bitter satisfaction of having been among
[00:20:51] the experts who warned against this for years, because
[00:20:54] please remember one thing, the Baltic Sea and maritime security, which were
[00:20:58] neglected for a decade, are still
[00:21:00] strategically important. The Baltic Sea is not just
[00:21:04] the area where military installations are located, such as Darłowo,
[00:21:08] Ustka, there are training grounds where our soldiers train, but
[00:21:11] these are also places where energy installations are being
[00:21:14] built, from which we will draw electricity, there are installations
[00:21:18] that serve to transfer energy, in the Baltic Sea we have
[00:21:22] a cable connecting Poland to Sweden, we have a strategically important
[00:21:26] gas pipeline that connects us with Norwegian deposits.
[00:21:29] The Baltic Sea is shipping, on which we are economically
[00:21:32] dependent. Russia will attack these
[00:21:35] targets. And it's not a question at this
[00:21:38] point of whether it will happen, because it has already started to happen, when
[00:21:42] there were these incidents with the alleged dragging
[00:21:45] of anchors, the alleged
[00:21:47] accidental ones.
[00:21:50] It is no longer a question of whether, it is a question of when,
[00:21:54] when the next attack will occur, Doctor, is the
[00:21:57] goal of Russia, when it comes to the Baltic Sea, more
[00:22:01] what you mentioned, that is, the issue of the location of our troops
[00:22:04] near these places, or
[00:22:07] is it, because we also have a Shadow Fleet, which has been operating
[00:22:11] in the Baltic Sea for a long time, they are engaged in acts of sabotage,
[00:22:15] quite effectively, international law has not yet fully dealt
[00:22:18] with regulating this crisis, so the question is more whether
[00:22:21] it is about these
[00:22:23] energy or gas supplies and disrupting these supplies, that is,
[00:22:27] reconnaissance and possible disruption later, or possibly
[00:22:31] simply spying in a nutshell? These
[00:22:34] actions are taking place,
[00:22:38] because we have reconnaissance activities, openly
[00:22:41] conducted even with manned aircraft, which our fighters intercept
[00:22:45] from time to time, but they also have, by all means,
[00:22:48] invasive ones, although reconnaissance...
[00:22:58] to prepare for conventional aggression. Here we must bear in mind that Russia's goal is simply to make
[00:23:01] NATO states
[00:23:05] weakened
[00:23:07] so that they cannot effectively repel Russian aggression.
[00:23:10] If we have Poland or the Baltic
[00:23:13] States that are internally divided, that are
[00:23:17] cut off, for example, from energy supplies, then they will of course
[00:23:20] be easier targets for subsequent conventional
[00:23:24] aggression, and this is Russia's goal. Doctor,
[00:23:27] from the foreign newsroom, who is also undoubtedly involved
[00:23:31] in this topic, also has a question for you, Doctor. I would
[00:23:35] like to know, because one might get the impression that
[00:23:38] the Russians are acting rather with impunity, and we are not
[00:23:41] responding adequately, we are just constantly reporting that
[00:23:45] we found a drone, that our... Do we have the ability
[00:23:48] dron, to do nasze...
[00:23:58] to respond, an adequate response, so as to calm
[00:24:01] the Russians down?
[00:24:02] We do, but the problem
[00:24:06] is that it requires action, because we are
[00:24:10] a NATO country,
[00:24:12] and we must act within international
[00:24:15] law, so for example, if we have a unit
[00:24:18] that is probably behaving
[00:24:21] suspiciously, we see it on radars, we see it on the AIS system, for example,
[00:24:25] it's circling near critical infrastructure,
[00:24:28] we have limited ability to act until it turns out that this unit is
[00:24:32] currently conducting hostile activities. For example, if we have a case
[00:24:35] where a unit enters our territorial waters,
[00:24:39] flying the flag, of course, of a country other than
[00:24:42] Russia, and it turns out, for example, that from the deck of this unit
[00:24:46] some unit is being launched, for example an unmanned aerial vehicle,
[00:24:50] or an unmanned aerial vehicle takes off, then they have the right to intervene
[00:24:53] with full force against such a unit and take control of it, and if necessary,
[00:24:57] sink it. The same applies to other threats. Simply, the
[00:25:00] threshold that allows us to take off our gloves
[00:25:04] and strike so that Russia understands is simply
[00:25:07] higher than in the case of a country that disregards all norms. Therefore,
[00:25:11] for example, responding to the shadow fleet
[00:25:14] is problematic and we simply need to reach for
[00:25:18] such regulations that, in certain
[00:25:20] circumstances, allow us, for example,
[00:25:23] to board such a unit, because for example, it turns out that
[00:25:27] it changed its flag during the voyage, and at that moment we can say: oh sorry, this is a
[00:25:31] stateless unit, we are boarding, and no one has anything to
[00:25:34] say. But controls over units of
[00:25:38] the shadow fleet have already been taken over. I wonder, for example,
[00:25:42] whether NATO should not organize
[00:25:44] itself in such a way as to respond
[00:25:48] to acts of sabotage that
[00:25:50] occur in our country with acts of sabotage in
[00:25:54] Russia.
[00:25:57] However, that would be opening a very dangerous
[00:26:00] front at this moment, because
[00:26:03] would mean that at this
[00:26:04] moment
[00:26:07] we can put ourselves in the shoes of those whom Russia accuses, for example, of carrying out
[00:26:11] terrorist acts, that, if such
[00:26:15] a thing is justified, it is absolutely legal in the case of acts
[00:26:18] of sabotage, diversion, in the case of actions carried out
[00:26:21] in war, we are not yet at that threshold and I would be very
[00:26:25] careful about talking about such
[00:26:29] options, because...
[00:26:32] even the very discussion of it can be weaponized by Russia,
[00:26:35] used by Russia as a weapon, imagine that at this
[00:26:39] moment, for example, your statement will be remixed
[00:26:43] by some Russian television station or podcast portal: "Polish journalist
[00:26:46] calls for sabotage attacks
[00:26:49] in Russia," as I said, this threshold is at this moment, in our
[00:26:53] case, unfortunately
[00:26:55] much higher, but that does not mean that it does not
[00:26:59] exist, we simply have to be much more careful.
[00:27:03] For example, the challenge in the case of the shadow fleet is not, for example,
[00:27:06] the reaction itself, but to have irrefutable
[00:27:10] evidence that such a unit that
[00:27:13] passed over the gas pipeline, passed
[00:27:16] over an energy cable, to
[00:27:20] be sure that it damaged it and then we lay our cards on the table
[00:27:23] and then we respond with full force, here we only need
[00:27:26] irrefutable evidence, for that
[00:27:29] we need presence on the
[00:28:02] Security University in Rzeszów, good morning.