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[00:00:00] to protect the building,
[00:00:02] until
[00:00:04] the emotions surrounding this university subside, until
[00:00:08] everyone acknowledges that I am a legitimate, legally
[00:00:11] appointed, acting rector
[00:00:14] commander of the Academy of Justice. Are
[00:00:18] you convinced that in this case there was no shortcut change in a situation
[00:00:22] where the rector's term, indeed according to the law,
[00:00:25] was 5 years, written... I wasn't interested
[00:00:28] in the whole procedure or
[00:00:31] the reasons for the dismissal, it's not like,
[00:00:34] I'm not a lawyer, I can't assess
[00:00:38] that, but I have faith that the ministry
[00:00:41] handled it carefully enough and legally
[00:00:44] enough that
[00:00:47] it raises no doubts, because the fact is that this procedure has been
[00:00:50] ongoing since March, it's not like
[00:00:54] someone is forcibly removing someone from
[00:00:58] their office, it's... an ongoing procedure that is ongoing
[00:01:01] and I think,
[00:01:05] I have the impression that Mr. Sopiński
[00:01:08] has mastered the evasion tactics not to receive
[00:01:11] correspondence, I'll put it this way,
[00:01:14] even in
[00:01:17] all the locations where
[00:01:20] our university, the Academy of Justice, has
[00:01:24] secretariats, orders were issued for those
[00:01:27] secretariats not to accept...
[00:01:30] official correspondence from the central board or from
[00:01:33] the Ministry
[00:01:41] you to Marek Czyż's program "Bez Retuszu" (Without Retouching). See you.
[00:02:13] Without retouching. Marek, I welcome you. This
[00:02:16] autumn, the Constitutional Tribunal will operate efficiently and in accordance with
[00:02:19] the constitution. This is what Minister Żurek promises, but for now the situation
[00:02:23] is such that a town of defenders of the current
[00:02:25] is to put this train back on form of this tribunal has set up outside its headquarters, and
[00:02:27] you... Where does
[00:02:37] this passionate
[00:02:41] defense of an institution that they themselves
[00:02:45] liquidated come from among politicians? We have
[00:02:49] more questions on this matter. Our guests in the studio are Mrs. Barbara Dolniak,
[00:02:51] Civic Coalition.
[00:02:59] We want
[00:03:09] to ask you today, because part of this quarrel is also based
[00:03:13] on the fact that the President has a rather particular
[00:03:16] attitude towards candidates chosen by the Sejm. There are considerable
[00:03:20] problems with the punctuality of swearing-in, the place
[00:03:23] of swearing-in, and the willingness to swear in. So we are asking you today
[00:03:26] whether, in your opinion, the President should swear in everyone. to inform
[00:04:00] the president, that's their responsibility, that's simply
[00:04:03] destroying the state, destroying the rule of law. We expect
[00:04:07] the president to show that he treats Poland as a common
[00:04:11] duty and common responsibility, not a field of constant battle. We want
[00:04:14] to immediately begin carrying out our duties, because that's why
[00:04:18] we were elected. We were there yesterday, we are here today. Until I am
[00:04:21] informed by the President that these individuals have taken an oath to
[00:04:25] the President, they will not establish
[00:04:28] an employment relationship.
[00:05:02] nothing indicates the end of this story, but
[00:05:05] do you, starting with the MP, can you imagine
[00:05:09] a situation where the police enter the Tribunal's headquarters?
[00:05:12] arresting Mr. Święczkowski red-handed, as we hear, because he doesn't want to hire a properly
[00:05:16] elected judge, the balance of power in the Constitutional
[00:05:19] Tribunal changes, it operates normally.
[00:05:23] I
[00:05:26] never imagined that such a situation
[00:05:28] could arise in a law-abiding state
[00:05:32] where the Tribunal cannot operate in full composition, because, ladies
[00:05:36] and gentlemen, the Constitutional Tribunal consists of 15
[00:05:39] judges, and...
[00:05:43] hand in hand with the president they cause this
[00:05:46] tribunal to actually not be able to convene even in its
[00:05:49] smallest full composition. I don't know what decisions
[00:05:53] will be made, because they don't belong to me. I'm asking
[00:05:56] a lawyer, do you imagine such
[00:05:59] an action, the police? It doesn't have to
[00:06:02] be a lawyer, editor, for it to be difficult for him to
[00:06:06] imagine a situation where organs
[00:06:09] like the police enter the Constitutional Tribunal.
[00:06:44] prevent
[00:06:46] compliance with the law. Mr. Bogdan Świeczkowski breaks
[00:06:50] the law every day. He is
[00:06:53] obligated according to the code, and in fact, he is now threatened
[00:06:57] with liability under Article 231 of the Criminal
[00:07:00] Code for dereliction of duty, because
[00:07:04] a judge elected by the Sejm
[00:07:07] from that moment is a judge of the Constitutional
[00:07:10] Tribunal, I will ask the MP.
[00:07:12] Is there another option then, because the situation can
[00:07:16] continue in this form indefinitely, we know the President's
[00:07:20] perspective, probably nothing will come of Mr. Berek's swearing-in,
[00:07:23] or it will take an infinitely long time. How long can this
[00:07:27] last in this form? As
[00:07:29] can be seen, President Karol Nawrocki, Law and Justice, Mr.
[00:07:33] Święczkowski, i.e. the governor of Law and Justice in the Constitutional
[00:07:36] Tribunal, wanted it to last forever, because the Constitutional
[00:07:39] Tribunal became such a machine for issuing
[00:07:43] political rulings on behalf of either PiS or
[00:07:47] Karol Nawrocki, who either refers to the tribunal, stating
[00:07:50] that he will not sign, and in this
[00:07:53] situation the Constitutional Tribunal must either rule on the unconstitutionality of some
[00:07:57] legal act that does not suit it, or
[00:08:00] that act must get stuck there. What's the point here? The point is that,
[00:08:03] ladies and gentlemen, let's remember who heads
[00:08:07] the Constitutional Tribunal. It is a man who ran
[00:08:10] from the list to the... provincial council and was elected
[00:08:14] an MP and is a colleague of Zbigniew Ziobro, who is now in
[00:08:18] forced exile because he fled from justice and was
[00:08:21] also his right-hand man in the prosecutor's office, and the deputy
[00:08:25] in the Constitutional Tribunal is a judge who was a PiS councilor
[00:08:29] in Szczecin, and in the Constitutional Tribunal, who else
[00:08:32] is there? There is Judge Piotrowicz, also a judge of
[00:08:35] Martial Law, an MP of Law and Justice. So today Law and
[00:08:39] Justice is not defending the Constitutional Tribunal, but... its
[00:08:43] people whom it sent there with a mission. I understand all
[00:08:46] that, but I'm asking what Minister Żurek means by saying that
[00:08:49] this system will be fixed in autumn, since
[00:08:52] the circumstances are still the same. We must restore
[00:08:55] the Constitutional Tribunal to the citizens, because in this political dispute
[00:08:58] we have forgotten that the Constitutional Tribunal rules on matters
[00:09:02] concerning all of us. An example of this is the
[00:09:06] care allowance, when the Tribunal ruled that it does not
[00:09:09] only concern immediate family, but anyone who cares for... a person with
[00:09:13] disabilities is also entitled to such a care allowance.
[00:09:16] Or in 2022,
[00:09:19] October 22nd, when the Constitutional Tribunal, on the order of
[00:09:23] PiS, stated that the premise that allowed for
[00:09:26] the performance, the performance of legal abortion, i.e., severe, irreversible
[00:09:29] damage to the
[00:09:32] fetus, the question was different, how do you imagine
[00:09:35] it, what do you think the minister means,
[00:09:37] the
[00:09:40] situation is, if we move on to analyzing the situation in the tribunal, in which
[00:09:44] if the President, who of course will not
[00:09:48] do so, had accepted the oath from all legally elected
[00:09:51] judges by the Sejm, who became judges of
[00:09:55] the Constitutional Tribunal at the moment of election, and he had
[00:09:58] accepted the oath, well, it would have happened after the election of
[00:10:01] Mr. Judge
[00:10:04] Maciej Berek, that the majority in this
[00:10:08] tribunal would be judges, judges who are...
[00:10:36] swore and pledged to defend, he defends the interests of PiS and defends this
[00:10:40] arrangement, this arrangement, it seems that only Minister Żurek knows
[00:10:43] how. Today the situation is very simple. If for
[00:10:47] a moment, if for a moment Mr. Święczkowski
[00:10:50] ceased to preside over the Constitutional
[00:10:53] Tribunal. As president, and any
[00:10:57] of his deputies, or the longest-serving
[00:11:00] judge, took over leadership, and it would be possible
[00:11:03] to convene a general assembly of all judges
[00:11:07] who have taken an oath to the president, and were legally elected
[00:11:10] by the Sejm, we could
[00:11:14] change the president of the Constitutional Tribunal
[00:11:17] and restore its operation, but that would require
[00:11:21] several steps, which Minister Żurek is probably
[00:11:24] thinking about, including revoking the immunity of the
[00:11:27] judge, for which the introduction of this elected four, in fact
[00:11:31] six, seven now is needed.
[00:11:35] Let's go back to that thread, but I have to activate Professor Karski. Do you
[00:11:38] like such a tribunal
[00:11:41] where nothing works, where you, editor, asked
[00:11:44] what can be done in this situation, I think
[00:11:48] the only solution is to achieve consensus among
[00:11:51] all parliamentary groups.
[00:11:56] The Constitutional Tribunal, like any state
[00:11:59] body, can be easily
[00:12:02] derailed. We have such a situation here, in
[00:12:06] 2015, we all remember, it started
[00:12:09] with the election of an excessive number of judges
[00:12:13] by the PO-PSL coalition. The Constitutional Tribunal
[00:12:16] deemed this unconstitutional,
[00:12:18] and
[00:12:21] it's easy, it's easy to derail such an institution,
[00:12:26] but then it's hard to
[00:12:28] rebuild it. I compare it to a train
[00:12:31] disaster, where the tracks, the
[00:12:34] wagons, the locomotive are no longer useful for anything, they can only go to
[00:12:38] scrap, but where do you see the scope for such a discussion? I think
[00:12:41] such a moment will come when we will all
[00:12:45] be able to reach an agreement, otherwise it cannot be done. You here speak many
[00:12:49] words, you say,
[00:12:51] you put forward theses that are not supported.
[00:13:02] For example, the fact that from the moment of
[00:13:05] election, the person elected to
[00:13:08] the office of judge of the Constitutional Tribunal assumes their office.
[00:13:12] You read only the provision stating that the Sejm
[00:13:15] elects judges of the Constitutional Tribunal, but you do not read
[00:13:19] the provisions of Article 197 of the Constitution,
[00:13:22] which obliges Parliament,
[00:13:55] let's recall, because they are quite interesting, they show
[00:13:58] that no, not so long ago,
[00:14:01] polar perspectives can change.
[00:14:04] Let's listen,
[00:14:13] the president is bound by the resolution of the Sejm, it cannot
[00:14:16] be that the president, for example, I don't know, accepts the judicial oath from
[00:14:20] someone other than the one who is elected by, or only from
[00:14:24] some. No, no, so here is the problem that
[00:14:28] this constitutional norm is still very clear. The constitution does not
[00:14:32] directly require that the oath from persons elected to
[00:14:35] the position of judge be taken by the president.
[00:14:39] The oath is undoubtedly essential, because it creates
[00:14:42] the possibility of performing the function, but the constitution
[00:14:45] leaves it to the legislator to decide before
[00:14:48] which state body it will be submitted. In
[00:14:52] 2019,
[00:15:28] presented here is a manipulation, I'll say it straight,
[00:15:32] you presented here the statement of MP Piotrowicz
[00:15:35] as a representative of the motion.
[00:15:39] of the law, where he discusses a situation that was to be introduced, he discussed
[00:15:43] de lege ferenda provisions, those that are to be. At that time, it was intended
[00:15:47] to transfer the competence
[00:15:49] of swearing in judges of the Constitutional Tribunal from
[00:15:53] the president to the Marshal of the Sejm. Here
[00:15:57] the then MP Piotrowicz describes a model that was to be
[00:16:00] adopted, not the one that is. This was to be
[00:16:04] a return to the model from before 1990,
[00:16:08] because then, before the currently binding constitution,
[00:16:12] under the earlier statutory provisions, an oath was also
[00:16:16] taken before the Marshal of the Sejm. And what model did
[00:16:20] the President describe? And the MP described, President
[00:16:23] Duda described such a model. And President Duda described
[00:16:27] the situation in which we are dealing with, that the president is
[00:16:30] obliged to swear in the people who were
[00:16:34] elected, as long as this obligation of his is updated.
[00:16:58] December 3, 2015, then operating under
[00:17:02] the presidency of President Andrzej
[00:17:04] Żpliński.
[00:17:15] when there are doubts about
[00:17:18] the formal aspects of the election, or new circumstances emerged
[00:17:21] after the election that cause
[00:17:25] that particular circumstances, Professor,
[00:17:28] regarding those judges whose oath the president did not
[00:17:31] accept, because he did not even justify it,
[00:17:34] he delays, he breaks the constitution and... that's the
[00:17:37] truth, and you too, sitting here with us today and having
[00:17:41] the viewers of this program before you, will not name
[00:17:44] a single reason, even though the president generally has no right not
[00:17:48] to accept an oath, but if you wanted to delve into that flawed
[00:17:51] interpretation, in other words to state,
[00:17:55] you won't name even a single reason why
[00:17:58] the president shouldn't or couldn't accept the oath of
[00:18:01] judges currently elected by the Sejm, and you know that
[00:18:04] well, I know it, and everyone knows it...
[00:18:37] what kind of world we live in, you are trying to appropriate what in democratic
[00:18:40] countries should always be a neutral, apolitical
[00:18:44] space, for at least a dozen or so years, either for
[00:18:47] Law and Justice, or now for the ruling option. Well,
[00:18:51] everyone knows perfectly well that at this moment, this appointment
[00:18:54] of Mr. Berek is nothing other than placing
[00:18:58] another politician, but from the other side. So first Law and
[00:19:02] Justice did nothing to also politicize, even
[00:19:06] the judiciary and the Constitutional Tribunal in 2015, as
[00:19:09] the professor himself
[00:19:13] just said, and for 8 years it continued and still
[00:19:16] continues, and now you want to, as a lifebuoy,
[00:19:19] choose other politicians
[00:19:22] to, according to your wishes, make
[00:19:26] decisions, and that's unfortunately how it looks. Well, Mr. Berek, editor, is no
[00:19:30] one else but a politician, he was responsible for the policy
[00:19:33] of this government, what's
[00:19:52] more, one about whom time has shown that he is invalid
[00:19:56] and unnecessary, time has shown that Poland is going on without this
[00:19:59] tribunal, and it has already been shown to be unnecessary,
[00:20:03] although I don't fully agree, because the MP also spoke about these
[00:20:07] simply human matters, we often have the impression that this Constitutional
[00:20:11] Tribunal is unnecessary, but in such cases, as the MP
[00:20:14] described, it is needed, there decisions should be made
[00:20:17] that are favorable to citizens,
[00:20:21] not politicians. And that's why we need to draw such a thick
[00:20:24] line through this justice system in general, and especially through the Constitutional Tribunal, and make
[00:20:27] decisions across political divides. We have been talking about a constitutional
[00:20:31] reset for several years as the Confederation, and we are
[00:20:34] speaking and appealing to
[00:20:38] all sides of the political scene, but there
[00:20:42] is no will. Yesterday, for example, in the program MP Szczepkowski
[00:20:45] admitted that finally
[00:20:49] at least they, as this new entity and splinter of Law and
[00:20:52] Justice, are in favor of it. From the side of Law and Justice, we do not
[00:20:55] hear such specifics. We invited all parliamentary
[00:20:59] clubs to sit down at this table in the Sejm, at such
[00:21:03] an independent table, and finally make decisions that some
[00:21:06] sometimes talk about, but there is no political
[00:21:08] will.
[00:21:12] The President's consent must be there.
[00:21:16] I want to ask Professor Karski, Professor, don't you think?
[00:21:24] Don't you think, Professor, that the President's
[00:21:27] actions are, however, a kind of usurpation,
[00:21:31] because he gave this situation such a form
[00:21:34] as if in Poland the president elected members of the Constitutional Tribunal, and that
[00:21:38] is not the case. I said, the constitution must
[00:21:41] be read holistically, and the provision stating
[00:21:45] that the Sejm
[00:21:47] elects judges.
[00:21:58] which obliges Parliament to issue a law defining the status of judges and the organization of the tribunal
[00:22:02] under which law there is
[00:22:05] the institution of oath-taking, which in the constitution, whose
[00:22:08] constitutionality was confirmed by the Constitutional Tribunal
[00:22:11] under President Żpliński, and finally the constitutional provision
[00:22:15] that says that the president is the guardian of the observance of
[00:22:18] the constitution, he makes an assessment of the situation,
[00:22:22] he makes decisions that are to
[00:22:24] ensure,
[00:22:29] he gave himself the right to shape this composition. The constitution gave
[00:22:32] him this right in Article
[00:22:36] 197 and saying that the organization of the tribunal
[00:22:39] is defined by law and in the constitutional
[00:22:42] provision saying that the president is
[00:22:45] the guardian of the observance of the constitution, the implementation of its
[00:22:49] provisions, the constitution is broken when the Sejm elects. No,
[00:22:52] absolutely, the constitution is not broken. However, we are dealing
[00:22:56] with a situation in which the Sejm makes the election,
[00:22:59] and such a person at that moment becomes a judge
[00:23:03] elect, but at the moment of taking the oath, and this
[00:23:06] is defined, defined by the law, whose
[00:23:10] constitutionality was confirmed by the tribunal in 2015,
[00:23:13] this law states that the oath is taken before
[00:23:16] the president, and that then...
[00:23:50] The President should guard the Constitution, so how can
[00:23:53] he guard the Constitution if he directly
[00:23:56] violates Article 94? Excuse me, I want
[00:23:59] to be an appeal body from the court's decision
[00:24:02] in this matter, because I can't even really explain what role
[00:24:06] he attributes to himself. The president
[00:24:09] listens to the oath, this oath is taken before
[00:24:12] the president, who represents the nation,
[00:24:15] because if we look at the law concerning the status
[00:24:19] of judges... of the Constitutional Tribunal, it clearly
[00:24:22] states that judges take
[00:24:25] an oath before the nation, and the president
[00:24:28] is the representative of this nation elected in general
[00:24:31] elections. Therefore, it's not that he
[00:24:35] accepts the oath, takes the oath, nothing of the sort,
[00:24:38] he listens to it on behalf of the nation, and a very important
[00:24:42] issue, a representative of the nation, they take an oath
[00:24:45] according to the law before the president, just to
[00:24:49] correct. He takes the oath before the nation, and the president is its
[00:24:53] representative. If you please refer to the provisions, and it's very
[00:24:56] important, it's all just a matter of interpretation, that's how they interpret
[00:24:59] it from the roots, just so it's your
[00:25:03] way. In the content of the oath,
[00:25:06] it says in the content of the judge's oath,
[00:25:09] in relation to the judge, that he takes
[00:25:12] an oath before the nation, he swears to the nation, that's what it says in
[00:25:16] the judge's oath. Very important, but let me just finish.
[00:25:20] Editor, briefly, remember that a judge must take
[00:25:23] an oath within 30 days. Now imagine
[00:25:27] a situation where these judges did not take the oath. What would Professor
[00:25:31] Karski be shouting today? Well, they didn't take
[00:25:34] the oath. The president has no deadline for accepting this
[00:25:37] oath, no, because the court already in 2000, in the case of
[00:25:41] K34/15, stated that it should
[00:25:44] happen immediately, and we all know what
[00:25:47] immediately means, which is without.
[00:26:06] powers, being able to decide whether he accepts this oath or not. To be
[00:26:10] clear, I believe that the president should,
[00:26:13] should accept the oath from all
[00:26:17] elected judges by the Sejm, with the exception of
[00:26:20] Mr. Maciej
[00:26:23] Berek. It needs to be clarified
[00:26:26] whether he meets these formal conditions, but
[00:26:30] the others, well, if he meets them, then also. Absolutely, I also
[00:26:33] have no objections to the competence of Minister
[00:26:36] Berek, because I think all politicians,
[00:26:40] and also people cooperating with Mr.
[00:26:43] Berek, consider Mr. Berek to be a competent person. However, it's about formal
[00:26:46] issues, also regulations, the constitution, etc., which
[00:26:50] he should meet. Well, for now we have a split vote here, as
[00:26:53] often happens. Does Minister Berek have this experience
[00:26:57] as a legal advisor or not? That needs to be clarified. After clarification, I believe the
[00:27:01] president,
[00:27:10] Can the police enter the Constitutional Tribunal? I would say that in Polish
[00:27:13] history, this would not be an isolated act. It
[00:27:17] reminds me of the Partition Sejm,
[00:27:21] the Grodno Sejm, when
[00:27:24] the constitutional, well, in today's understanding of the word, organ
[00:27:27] of the Republic made the decision to ratify
[00:27:31] the third partition of Poland.
[00:28:02] one thing, and the other is that the MP
[00:28:05] asked about Mr. Maciej Berek, about that formal condition.
[00:28:09] Yes, it is only that I raised doubts. Well, I'm answering you,
[00:28:13] he is a legal advisor listed on the list of legal
[00:28:16] advisors, and according to the article of the law on legal advisors, he can
[00:28:20] practice his profession in various ways, including
[00:28:23] by providing legal advice under an employment contract, and this
[00:28:27] he did, and such experience.
[00:28:31] czynił i takie doświadczenie.
[00:29:32] then the oath was accepted a few days after it was taken. I simply want to ask.
[00:29:35] Good evening, Krzysztof Radowiecki, "New Generation" youth association. I have
[00:29:39] a question for the MP.
[00:29:41] As we can clearly see, the Confederation and Law and Justice strongly
[00:29:45] criticize the election of Maciej Berek. I have a question for you: is this their
[00:29:49] peculiar attempt to uphold the independence
[00:29:52] of the tribunal, or rather
[00:29:55] to maintain the political status quo
[00:29:58] they built over 8 years?
[00:30:01] in such a direction as to repair
[00:30:39] you see, what we see
[00:30:42] regarding the Constitutional Tribunal, don't you regret that
[00:30:46] you, as the then ruling Law and Justice,
[00:30:49] introduced, among others, your people into the Constitutional Tribunal
[00:30:53] in such a way that unfortunately most Poles lost faith in
[00:30:57] an institution that for many years was a bastion of independence,
[00:31:01] and was also a pillar for
[00:31:04] many Poles in their daily lives? Thank you. You are trying
[00:31:08] to do the same thing now, you are no different.
[00:31:10] Of course, I can
[00:31:12] answer.
[00:31:23] The standard is that
[00:31:25] the people elected to the tribunal are prominent
[00:31:29] lawyers, but also , well, beside them, prominent lawyers,
[00:31:32] also people who were
[00:31:36] previously politicians, this does not have to be mutually
[00:31:39] exclusive.
[00:31:41] We elected people who met the formal criteria,
[00:31:45] who were prominent lawyers. You sometimes
[00:31:49] have comments about
[00:31:51] Mrs.
[00:31:53] Krystyna Pawłowicz, who was an MP before being a judge, who is a distinguished specialist in
[00:31:57] public law. public law.
[00:32:00] economic, author of textbooks in this
[00:32:03] field, students highly praised her classes,
[00:32:06] we say the same about Maciej
[00:32:23] is 40 years old, he was brought to life in
[00:32:26] 1982, he began his work 4 years
[00:32:30] later for the first time in the history
[00:32:33] of this constitutional body, a constitutional
[00:32:36] minister was appointed to its composition, he was no
[00:32:39] longer a student
[00:32:43] resigned, well, MP. of those
[00:33:21] who caused this
[00:33:35] I think the most important thing
[00:33:40] track, that is, after this
[00:33:43] catastrophe, which was caused by... Civic Platform in
[00:33:46] 2015 we should take
[00:33:50] actions that will lead to
[00:33:53] the healing of the tribunal, however, actions
[00:33:56] taken now by the current rulers do
[00:34:00] not lead to this, they deepen disputes
[00:34:04] and the tribunal should be a body enjoying the trust of all
[00:34:07] Poles, it should also enjoy
[00:34:10] the trust of all of us as
[00:34:13] politicians as well, after all, it is the Sejm that elects the judges of the Constitutional
[00:34:17] Tribunal, and finally there is Mr. President, so Mr.
[00:34:20] President, as we have already established, as we know,
[00:34:24] accepts, accepts the oath taken
[00:34:28] before him in a situation when
[00:34:30] his duty arising from the Constitution of laws
[00:34:34] is updated, if the Sejm correctly
[00:34:37] elects a person who is even called
[00:34:40] not a judge, but a person elected to the office of judge,
[00:34:44] then he will take the oath and at that moment the employment relationship
[00:34:47] of a Constitutional Tribunal judge
[00:34:50] is established, this formula under Article
[00:34:54] 197 of the Constitution was adopted in the Act on
[00:34:57] the status of Constitutional Tribunal judges,
[00:35:01] and its correctness and constitutionality were confirmed by the Constitutional
[00:35:04] Tribunal in
[00:35:11] body on the screen, this is the moment of retrieving a Russian drone.
[00:35:15] which fell near Jarosławiec, this is precisely the moment when Polish services
[00:35:18] flew across the whole of Poland, unnoticed, fell into the water,
[00:35:22] maybe it was washed ashore and then our brave
[00:35:24] services described it, there was also such
[00:35:28] a case near Bydgoszcz, but that was a few years ago, but how does Mr.
[00:35:30] Professor,
[00:35:34] well, but let's leave the drone, there will be time to deal with it, perhaps next
[00:35:37] week, I wanted to ask you and Mr. Professor also,
[00:35:41] do you not have the impression that it has reached such a point where it is...
[00:35:45] even if there is a spectacular change of
[00:35:48] power, and the tribunal is staffed
[00:35:50] earlier, then the new government will not respect it anyway, but that's
[00:35:54] why I say that we need to reach an agreement, MP Pejo talks about a constitutional
[00:35:58] reset, I'm talking about a consensus in this
[00:36:01] regard, that's what it's supposed to be about, this reset,
[00:36:04] meaning we are generally talking about the same thing at this moment, we just call
[00:36:08] it differently, why didn't you accept the invitation to discuss a constitutional
[00:36:11] reset, the answer is there, the answer is there.
[00:36:42] and an example of this is the fact that President Karol
[00:36:46] Nawrocki did not sign any ambassadorial nomination, you know, this
[00:36:49] is a disgrace, a disgrace, because for example, he did not sign an ambassadorial
[00:36:53] nomination, he did not sign it for our
[00:36:56] diplomat, he is at an advanced military post in
[00:36:59] Kyiv, who was in Afghanistan, who has the rank
[00:37:02] of colonel, and he did not sign this nomination for him, tell me,
[00:37:06] why? for the same reason that he will not accept the oath
[00:37:10] of judges, because it is politically convenient for him, and this
[00:37:13] ambassador now in bombarded Kyiv represents the Majesty of the Republic
[00:37:16] of Poland, and cannot wait for President Nawrocki's signature. Sir.
[00:37:20] You
[00:37:24] threw out, recalled from his post the ambassador
[00:37:28] who, in the first days
[00:37:31] of the full-scale attack on Ukraine, was the only
[00:37:34] member of the diplomatic corps who remained in Kyiv, it was on him
[00:37:37] that bombs fell, this
[00:37:50] it is possible
[00:37:52] to reach an agreement,
[00:37:54] if it is possible to reach an agreement throughout this program. Mr.
[00:37:58] Karski blamed those in power today,
[00:38:01] in 2015 we elected two
[00:38:05] additional
[00:38:09] in 2015
[00:38:15] so I can finish, this is invented
[00:38:19] and implemented so that the Constitutional
[00:38:22] Tribunal is a tool, we don't like the law, we vote
[00:38:26] against it. What does the President do? He either submits
[00:38:30] a veto that does not pass because we do not have a majority, or he refers it to
[00:38:33] the Constitutional Tribunal, where such a composition is selected that
[00:38:37] states, yes, it is inconsistent with the Constitution, you do not need the tribunal for the same
[00:38:41] purpose, of course, no, you don't, Mr.
[00:38:44] MP, no, exactly,
[00:38:47] but please, please let me finish, no, precisely because over these years
[00:38:50] we have come to such a conviction and we say your tribunal
[00:38:54] or our tribunal, that is the worst. before
[00:39:27] time, the whole point is that the Constitutional
[00:39:31] Tribunal must be an independent body,
[00:39:35] judges must be independent, the fact that
[00:39:38] someone was once a politician, the fact that they held
[00:39:42] a specific position, that's one thing, but the other is their character
[00:39:46] traits that are supposed to prove that even if everything falls apart
[00:39:49] and burns, the judge will issue a ruling that they deem
[00:39:52] appropriate, not one that changes the composition
[00:39:56] of the panel before it is issued. being
[00:40:07] in a crowd of hundreds of thousands of Poles to a demonstration in defense
[00:40:11] of the tribunal? No, I'm not going, because it will be another such political farce, you could
[00:40:14] say, and excellently, hundreds of thousands of Poles are not a political farce, we don't
[00:40:18] know if it's hundreds of thousands, of course, Law and Justice announces this,
[00:40:22] I don't think so, because Poles are also tired of these demonstrations. but they are also
[00:40:26] tired of such pushing and such political ping-pong that you are
[00:40:29] playing, maybe Poles don't want this tribunal at all,
[00:40:33] even editor, you have to explain,
[00:40:36] really, what it's about for politicians,
[00:40:39] and that's what it's about, to appropriate this constitutional tribunal, and I think that
[00:40:43] here, editor, your role is huge, in the sense of the media, the so-called fourth
[00:40:46] power, that you would concretely criticize both sides, it's not about
[00:40:50] whether it's PiS or Platforma, but those who act this way with
[00:40:53] Poles, simply make people idiots.
[00:40:59] we, 97% believe that the president should
[00:41:02] swear in all three, that no, on platform X, 52,
[00:41:05] 52% say
[00:41:08] yes, 48% say no, so in both cases
[00:41:12] the majority of those who chose to participate in this survey believe
[00:41:16] that the head of state should swear in
[00:41:19] everyone. The most important conclusion of this meeting, Mr. President
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