TVPINFO — Bez retuszu
20260914 220300 UTC
605 transcript segments
Google Cloud Speech-to-Text API (Chirp) + Gemini 2.5 Flash Non-Thinking
Data courtesy of The GDELT Project (https://www.gdeltproject.org/), from the Internet Archive TV News Archive.
Machine transcription. Treat it as a searchable index of what was broadcast, not a verbatim quotation record.

[00:02:38] to get this train back on But for now, the situation is such that a town of defenders of the current shape of this tribunal has set up camp
[00:02:41] outside its headquarters, and MP Czarnek promises hundreds
[00:02:45] of thousands of Poles in demonstrations, in defense of the current
[00:02:48] shape of the Constitutional Tribunal, should anyone wish to raise political
[00:02:51] hands against this shape. Where does this
[00:02:55] fervent defense of an institution that they themselves
[00:02:58] liquidated come from among politicians? We have more questions on this matter, our guests in
[00:03:02] the studio are Mrs. Barbara Dolniak, Civic
[00:03:04] Coalition.
[00:03:08] Andrzej Szejna,
[00:03:09] Left,
[00:03:12] MP Bartłomiej Pejo,
[00:03:13] Confederation,
[00:03:17] and Professor Karol Karski, Law and Justice. Welcome,
[00:03:20] Professor.
[00:03:22] Today we want to ask you, because part of this dispute is also based
[00:03:26] on the fact that the president has a rather peculiar
[00:03:30] attitude towards candidates elected by the Sejm, there are considerable
[00:03:33] problems with the punctuality of the swearing-in, the place of the swearing-in,
[00:03:37] and the willingness to swear in, so today we ask you, do you think
[00:03:40] the president should swear in all candidates elected
[00:03:44] correctly by the Sejm, you have our SMS poll or
[00:03:48] the X platform at your disposal, we await your votes on this matter, now a brief reminder
[00:03:52] of the emotions that have accompanied this story for some
[00:03:54] time.
[00:04:02] the oath of office has been
[00:04:06] accepted by the president, this is an attempt to challenge the president's
[00:04:09] competencies derived from the constitution, they have the right to take the oath and
[00:04:13] inform the president, this is their responsibility, this is simply
[00:04:17] destroying the state, destroying the rule of law, we expect
[00:04:20] the president to show that he treats Poland as a common
[00:04:24] duty and a common responsibility, not a field of constant battle, we want to
[00:04:28] immediately proceed to... Until
[00:04:34] I am informed by the president that these people have taken
[00:04:37] the oath of office before the president, they will not
[00:04:40] establish an official relationship and will not become
[00:04:44] tribunal judges. You chose Maciej Berek for the position
[00:04:47] of judge. I will devote all my knowledge and
[00:04:51] legal experience to this mission, to this goal, so that
[00:04:54] the tribunal starts performing its constitutional function correctly, because it is not performing it.
[00:04:57] You forgot about your slogans.
[00:05:00] You forgot about those shouts, constitution, rule of law,
[00:05:04] Mr. Berek is already a judge of the tribunal, and the president and his tasks
[00:05:07] are only
[00:05:08] organizational.
[00:05:15] nothing indicates the end of this story, but
[00:05:18] do you, I'll start with the MP, do you
[00:05:22] imagine a situation where the police enter the tribunal's headquarters,
[00:05:26] apprehend Mr. Święczkowski red-handed, as we hear, because he does not
[00:05:29] want to accept a correctly elected judge,
[00:05:33] the balance of power in the Constitutional Tribunal changes, it starts
[00:05:36] functioning normally, do you imagine such a situation at all, I never
[00:05:40] imagined at all that it could... lead to a situation
[00:05:43] in a democratic state where the tribunal cannot
[00:05:47] function in full composition, because, ladies and gentlemen, the Constitutional Tribunal
[00:05:51] consists of 15 judges, and Bogdan
[00:05:55] Sięczkowski hand in hand with the president
[00:05:58] are causing this tribunal to actually
[00:06:01] not be able to convene in even the smallest full
[00:06:04] composition, I don't know what decisions will be made, because they are not
[00:06:08] up to me, I ask the lawyer, do you imagine
[00:06:12] such a police action at all? It doesn't
[00:06:15] have to be a lawyer, editor, for him to, it would be difficult
[00:06:19] for him to imagine a situation
[00:06:22] where bodies such as the police enter the
[00:06:26] Constitutional Tribunal, because it is an organ whose task
[00:06:29] is to defend us citizens against, we all know,
[00:06:33] the legislative power passing incorrect
[00:06:36] laws, but we must clearly say, ladies and gentlemen, in
[00:06:39] a state of law, every citizen expects
[00:07:03] every day violates the law, is
[00:07:06] obliged in accordance with the code, and in fact
[00:07:10] is already currently facing liability under article:
[00:07:42] As you can see, President Karol Nawrocki, Law and Justice, Mr.
[00:07:46] Święczkowski, i.e., the governor of Law and Justice in the Constitutional
[00:07:49] Tribunal, wanted it to last forever, because the Constitutional
[00:07:52] Tribunal became such a machine for issuing
[00:07:56] political rulings on behalf of Pis, or on
[00:07:59] behalf of Karol Nawrocki, who either refers it to the tribunal,
[00:08:03] stating that he will not sign it, and in
[00:08:06] this situation the Constitutional Tribunal must either rule
[00:08:09] on the unconstitutionality of a legal act that he does not like. Or
[00:08:13] else that act is supposed to get stuck there, what is this all about? It's about the fact that,
[00:08:16] dear ladies and gentlemen, let's remember who heads
[00:08:20] the Constitutional Tribunal, it's a person who ran
[00:08:24] from the Pis lists to the provincial assembly and was elected
[00:08:28] as an MP and is a colleague of Zbigniew Ziobro, who is currently in
[00:08:31] forced exile, because he fled from justice and was
[00:08:34] also his right-hand man in the prosecution, and the deputy
[00:08:38] in the Constitutional Tribunal is a judge who was a councilor...
[00:09:17] that the Constitutional Tribunal rules on matters concerning all of us, an example of this is the care benefit,
[00:09:20] when the tribunal ruled that it does not only concern
[00:09:23] immediate family members, but also someone who takes care of a person with
[00:09:26] disabilities, is also entitled to such a care benefit,
[00:09:30] or in 2022,
[00:09:32] on October 22nd, when the Constitutional Tribunal,
[00:09:36] at the request of Pis, stated that
[00:09:39] the premise that allowed for... legal
[00:09:43] abortion, i.e., severe, irreversible fetal damage is
[00:09:46] inconsistent, but the question was different, how do you imagine it, what
[00:09:49] does the minister mean,
[00:09:53] the situation is, if we move to the analysis of the situation in the tribunal, in which
[00:09:57] if the president, who of course will not
[00:10:01] do so, had accepted the oath from all legally elected
[00:10:04] judges by the Sejm, who became
[00:10:08] were elected and became judges of the Constitutional Tribunal at the time
[00:10:12] of the elections. had accepted the oath, well, then it would
[00:10:14] have so happened after the election of Mr.
[00:10:18] Judge Maciej Berek, that the majority in this
[00:10:21] tribunal would be judges, judges.
[00:10:25] who are legally elected, who are independent,
[00:10:28] impartial, which would mean that the power of Mr.
[00:10:30] Święczkowski and Pis could be
[00:10:33] liquidated, so what can be done? Well, you know, actually, the obstacle
[00:10:37] today to the Constitutional Tribunal operating in accordance with the law is its
[00:10:41] president, so what needs to be done, the president, its president
[00:10:44] breaking the law, breaking the constitution, which he
[00:10:47] swore and pledged to
[00:10:50] defend, defends the interests of Pis and defends this arrangement, this arrangement,
[00:10:54] which... well, it seems that only Minister Żurek knows
[00:10:57] how the situation today is very simple, if for
[00:11:00] a moment, if for a moment Mr. Święczkowski
[00:11:04] stopped presiding over the Constitutional
[00:11:06] Tribunal as president, and any
[00:11:10] of them, either his deputy or the longest-serving
[00:11:13] judge, took over the leadership, then it would be
[00:11:16] possible to convene a general assembly of all
[00:11:20] judges who had taken the oath before the president and were legally elected
[00:11:24] by the Sejm, we could
[00:11:27] change the position of president of the Constitutional Tribunal and
[00:11:31] restore its functioning, but that would require
[00:11:34] several steps, which Minister Żurek is probably considering,
[00:11:37] including lifting the immunity of Mr.
[00:11:41] Judge, for this it is necessary to introduce this elected four, in fact
[00:11:44] six, seven at this point already I
[00:11:46] believe, we still need to get back to this topic, but I must activate Professor Karski, do you
[00:11:50] like such a tribunal?
[00:11:52] You
[00:11:58] asked, editor, what can be done in this situation, I think
[00:12:01] that the only solution is to reach a consensus among
[00:12:04] all parliamentary
[00:12:07] groups, the Constitutional
[00:12:10] Tribunal, like every state
[00:12:13] body, can be very easily
[00:12:15] derailed, here we have such a situation in
[00:12:19] 2015, after all, we all remember, it started
[00:12:23] with the election by.
[00:12:34] and it is easy, it is easy to derail such an institution, a constitutional
[00:12:37] body, but then it is difficult to
[00:12:41] rebuild it, I compare it to such a railway
[00:12:45] catastrophe, where these tracks, these
[00:12:47] wagons, this locomotive will no longer serve any purpose, they can only go to
[00:12:51] scrap, but where do you see room for such a discussion, I think...
[00:12:55] such a moment will come when we will all be able to
[00:12:58] reach an understanding, otherwise it cannot be done, you are saying many
[00:13:02] words, you are saying,
[00:13:04] you are putting forward theses, which are not covered
[00:13:08] by the content of the constitution, by the content of laws,
[00:13:12] if we go in order, Professor, which one, for example,
[00:13:15] for example, that from the moment
[00:13:18] of election, the person elected to
[00:13:21] the office of judge of the Constitutional Tribunal takes up their office.
[00:13:25] You only read the provision stating that the Sejm
[00:13:28] elects judges of the Constitutional Tribunal, but you do not read
[00:13:32] the provision of Article 197 of the Constitution,
[00:13:35] which obliges the Parliament to define
[00:13:39] the organization of the tribunal in the form of a law, or also its composition,
[00:13:43] principles
[00:13:43] of functioning,
[00:13:49] the law states that the oath is taken before
[00:13:52] the president.
[00:14:26] The President is bound by the resolution of the Sejm, so it cannot be
[00:14:30] that the President, for example, I don't know, accepts the judicial oath from someone
[00:14:34] other than the one elected by, or only from
[00:14:37] some, well, no, so here's the problem, that
[00:14:41] this constitutional norm is still very clear, the constitution does not
[00:14:45] directly require that the oath of office from persons elected to
[00:14:48] the position of judge be taken by the president,
[00:14:52] the oath is undoubtedly important,
[00:15:15] the role of the president is only and exclusively to
[00:15:19] receive the oath of legally and correctly elected
[00:15:22] judges.
[00:15:28] They also missed something, Professor, exactly we are
[00:15:32] dealing with three statements,
[00:15:36] exactly the statement.
[00:16:07] to the Marshal of the Sejm, here the then MP
[00:16:11] Piotrowicz describes a model that was to be
[00:16:13] adopted, not the one that is, this was to be
[00:16:17] a return to the model from before 1997,
[00:16:21] because then, before the currently binding constitution, under the force
[00:16:25] of earlier statutory provisions, the oath was also
[00:16:29] taken before the Marshal of the Sejm, and what
[00:16:32] model did the President describe, and what model did the MP describe, President Duda.
[00:16:35] Did he describe such a model? And President
[00:16:37] Duda described a situation in which, with which we are dealing,
[00:16:41] that the president is obliged to swear in
[00:16:44] people who have been elected, as long as
[00:16:47] this obligation of his is updated, meaning
[00:16:50] as long as we are dealing with a situation where the Sejm elected
[00:16:53] the right person who meets the criteria defined in
[00:16:56] the constitution, defined in laws, the president
[00:17:00] has the right, has the obligation to take the
[00:17:04] oath and as explained by the Constitutional Tribunal in
[00:17:07] its judgment K34/15
[00:17:10] of December 3,
[00:17:13] 2015, then acting under
[00:17:15] the presidency of President Andrzej Żepliński,
[00:17:19] the president has the obligation to take the oath, but in
[00:17:22] certain situations he cannot, and is even obliged
[00:17:25] to refrain from taking such an oath, when there are
[00:17:29] doubts as to the formal aspects of the election,
[00:17:33] or when new circumstances have emerged
[00:17:36] after the election, which...
[00:17:46] because he didn't even justify it, he delays, he breaks
[00:17:49] the constitution and that's the truth, you too, sitting
[00:17:52] with us today and having the viewers of
[00:17:56] this program before you, will not name a single premise, even
[00:17:59] though the president generally has no right not to accept the oath, but if you wanted
[00:18:03] to delve into this flawed interpretation differently.
[00:18:09] You will not name even a single reason why the president should not or
[00:18:13] could not accept the oath of judges currently elected
[00:18:16] by the Sejm, and you know that well, I know it and
[00:18:19] everyone knows it, the president does not accept this oath for political
[00:18:23] reasons, not all politicians have spoken yet, I had the impression that the MP was
[00:18:27] smiling while listening to this discussion, yes, because dear sirs, I will
[00:18:31] still want to reply later, you will have the right, Professor, I promise, I am not
[00:18:35] a lawyer, most Poles are not either. No,
[00:18:38] no, he does not practice law, but when you listen to
[00:18:42] both sides, we have the impression, and
[00:18:45] I think I speak for the majority of Poles here, that we
[00:18:49] live in some kind of state, I don't know, some Bantustan, you are trying to appropriate
[00:18:52] what in democratic states should always be
[00:18:55] such a neutral and apolitical space,
[00:18:59] for at least a dozen years, either for Law and
[00:19:02] Justice or now for the ruling party, well, everyone
[00:19:06] knows perfectly well that at this moment the nomination
[00:19:09] of Mr. Berek is nothing other than the placement
[00:19:13] of another politician, but from the other side, meaning first Law and
[00:19:16] Justice did nothing to politicize
[00:19:19] even the judiciary and the Constitutional
[00:19:22] Tribunal in 2015, the Professor
[00:19:25] himself just spoke about it and
[00:19:29] for 8 years it went on and still continues, and now you want
[00:19:33] to, as a kind of life raft, choose
[00:19:36] other politicians, to make
[00:19:39] decisions according to your will, and that's how it unfortunately looks,
[00:19:43] well, Mr. Berek, editor, is nobody else
[00:19:46] but a politician, well, he was responsible for the policy of this government,
[00:19:49] he was the right hand, as Prime Minister Donald Tusk
[00:19:52] claimed, one day he is a minister
[00:19:56] and a politician, and the next day he is supposed to be independent, don't you have the impression, MP,
[00:19:59] that there is some battle going on over an organ that does
[00:20:02] not work, that does not exist, what's more,
[00:20:06] about which... time has shown that it is irrelevant,
[00:20:09] unnecessary, well, time has shown that Poland continues without this
[00:20:13] tribunal, it does not function, that until now time has shown that it is unnecessary,
[00:20:17] although I don't fully agree, because the MP also spoke about these
[00:20:20] simply human issues, well, often we have the impression that this Constitutional
[00:20:24] Tribunal is unnecessary, but in such cases, as even the MP
[00:20:27] described, it is necessary, decisions should be made
[00:20:30] there favorable to citizens,
[00:20:34] not politicians, and therefore we need to draw
[00:20:38] a thick line on this judiciary in general, and especially on
[00:20:41] the Constitutional Tribunal and make decisions across political divisions,
[00:20:44] we have been talking for several years as a confederation about a constitutional
[00:20:48] reset and we say and appeal to
[00:20:51] everyone from all sides of the political scene, but
[00:20:55] there is no such will, well yesterday in the program, for example, MP
[00:20:58] Szczucki agreed that
[00:21:01] finally at least they as this new creation and
[00:21:05] a splinter of Law and Justice are in favor of this, from the side of Law and Justice we do
[00:21:09] not hear such specifics, we invited all parliamentary
[00:21:12] clubs to sit at this table in the Sejm, at such
[00:21:16] an independent table and finally make decisions that sometimes some...
[00:21:50] elected members of the Constitutional Tribunal, and that is not the case, as
[00:21:53] I said, the constitution must be read holistically
[00:21:56] and the provision stating that the Sejm
[00:22:00] elects judges of the Constitutional
[00:22:03] Tribunal, also Article
[00:22:06] 197, which obliges
[00:22:09] Parliament to issue a law defining the status
[00:22:13] of judges and the organization of the tribunal under which
[00:22:16] law the institution of oath exists, which...
[00:22:20] the constitution, whose constitutionality was confirmed by the Constitutional
[00:22:23] Tribunal of President Żepliński, finally
[00:22:27] the provision of the constitution which states that the president is
[00:22:30] the guardian of observing the constitution, he
[00:22:33] assesses the situation, he
[00:22:36] makes decisions that are intended to ensure he elects members
[00:22:39] of the tribunal, well yes, he accepts, he gave
[00:22:42] himself the right to create it, the constitution gave him that
[00:22:46] right,
[00:22:48] in Article 190. seventh and stating that
[00:22:52] the organization of the tribunal is defined by law and in the constitutional provision
[00:22:56] stating that the president is the guardian
[00:23:00] of observing the constitution, performing its provisions, so where is the constitution
[00:23:03] broken when the Sejm elects, no,
[00:23:06] absolutely, the constitution is not broken, but we are
[00:23:09] dealing with a situation where the Sejm makes a choice,
[00:23:13] however, and such a person at that moment becomes a judge
[00:23:16] elect, however, at the moment of taking the oath... this
[00:23:20] clarifies, the law clarifies, the constitutionality
[00:23:23] of which was confirmed by the Constitutional Tribunal in 2015,
[00:23:26] this law states that the oath is taken before
[00:23:30] the president and that only
[00:23:33] then the president of the Constitutional Tribunal
[00:23:36] allows such a person to rule and that it is only at
[00:23:39] the moment of taking the oath before the president that a
[00:23:43] relationship
[00:23:46] situation, that the Sejm can choose whomever it wants,
[00:23:50] completely legally, in accordance, in accordance with every procedure, meaning not whomever
[00:23:54] it wants, but a person who meets the criteria
[00:23:56] of the constitution, then President decides whether something will be,
[00:24:00] we hear here from Professor Karski, who says that the president
[00:24:04] should guard the constitution, so how does he guard
[00:24:07] the constitution, when he breaks Article
[00:24:11] 94 directly, I'm sorry, he wants to be an appellate
[00:24:14] body from the decisions of the court in this matter, because I'm not very
[00:24:18] able to even explain what role he attributes to himself,
[00:24:21] the president listens to the oath, this
[00:24:24] oath is taken before the president, who
[00:24:27] represents the nation, because if we look at the law
[00:24:31] concerning the status of judges of the Constitutional
[00:24:33] Tribunal, it is clearly written that
[00:24:36] judges take the oath before
[00:24:39] the nation, and the president is the representative of this
[00:24:43] nation, elected in general elections, therefore
[00:24:46] it is not true that he accepts the oath from...
[00:25:28] This is the wording in the judge's oath, very
[00:25:31] important, but I will just finish, editor, briefly,
[00:25:34] remember that a judge must take
[00:25:37] the oath within 30 days, and now imagine
[00:25:40] a situation where these judges had not taken the oath, what would
[00:25:44] Professor Karski be shouting today? Well, they didn't take
[00:25:47] the oath.
[00:25:50] there is no deadline for taking this oath, no, because the court in
[00:25:54] 2000 in case K34/15 stated that it should
[00:25:58] happen immediately and we all know what
[00:26:00] that means.
[00:26:32] except for the exception, which is Mr.
[00:26:36] Maciej Berek, so it needs to be clarified
[00:26:40] whether he meets the formal conditions, however,
[00:26:43] the others, well, if he did, then also, I absolutely do not
[00:26:46] have, I have no objections to the competence of Minister
[00:26:50] Berek, because I think all politicians,
[00:26:53] and also people working with Mr. Berek consider Mr.
[00:26:57] Berek to be a competent person, however, it is about formal issues, also
[00:27:00] the provisions of the constitution and so on, which he should meet, well, at
[00:27:04] this moment we have a discrepancy here, as often
[00:27:07] happens, whether Minister Berek has this experience as a legal advisor or
[00:27:11] not, that needs to be clarified, because after clarification, President considers,
[00:27:14] this procedure of establishing once and for all
[00:27:17] whether he has these competencies or not takes a long time, editor, you asked an interesting question, can
[00:27:21] the police enter the Constitutional Tribunal, I will say this, in the history
[00:27:25] of Poland it would not be an isolated act, it
[00:27:28] reminds me of the partition sejm,
[00:27:32] the Grodno sejm, when
[00:27:36] the constitutional, in today's understanding of the word,
[00:27:39] organ of the Republic made the decision to ratify
[00:27:42] the third partition of Poland in the presence of Russian
[00:27:46] soldiers in the session hall, this is precisely the direction of the commentary
[00:27:49] of the representative of Pis,
[00:27:52] I have more
[00:27:54] recent historical experiences and memories, very, very
[00:27:58] sad, from the actions
[00:28:01] under the dictates of the prosecutor's office of Mr. Zbigniew
[00:28:03] Ziobro, when the police entered Mrs. Barbara Blida's house and she
[00:28:06] died, so you know, you have various
[00:28:10] acts on your conscience when it comes to
[00:28:13] abuse of power and the prosecutor's office, that's one thing, and
[00:28:16] the other is this, the MP asked about
[00:28:19] Mr. Maciej Berek about this formal condition, yes, he
[00:28:23] is a legal advisor, I just raised a doubt, so I answer you, he
[00:28:26] is a legal advisor, listed in the register of legal
[00:28:29] advisors, and in accordance with the article of the law on legal advisors, he
[00:28:33] can perform his profession in various
[00:28:37] ways, and among others, by providing employment
[00:28:40] contracts and in the framework of this employment contract,
[00:28:44] providing legal advice, and he
[00:28:45] did so, employed in the chancellery
[00:28:55] very flexibly, a letter came from
[00:28:58] the dean of the regional chamber of advisors.
[00:30:02] your question, is this their specific attempt
[00:30:05] to maintain the independence of the tribunal
[00:30:08] or rather to maintain
[00:30:11] the political status quo they built over 8 years? Please don't
[00:30:15] mix the confederation, sorry, with this building, because
[00:30:18] here do you remember when MP
[00:30:21] Bosak still belonged to the League of Polish Families, whom
[00:30:24] he nominated together with
[00:30:25] Giertych,
[00:30:29] it got terribly tangled, those are slippery grounds.
[00:30:44] there is nothing in it that would fix anything,
[00:30:48] sorry Szymon Sierpatowski new generation Civic Coalition, I have a question for
[00:30:51] Professor Karski about whether after what you see, what we
[00:30:55] see
[00:30:57] regarding the Constitutional Tribunal, you do not regret that
[00:31:01] you, as... the then government of Law and Justice,
[00:31:04] introduced your people, among others, to the Constitutional
[00:31:07] Tribunal in such a way that unfortunately most
[00:31:11] Poles lost trust in an institution that for many years was.
[00:31:34] very interesting question, because indeed before that, such a standard had developed,
[00:31:37] that the people who are elected to
[00:31:40] the tribunal are distinguished lawyers, but Also...
[00:31:51] we chose
[00:31:55] people who met formal criteria, who were
[00:31:59] outstanding lawyers. You have, for
[00:32:02] example, remarks sometimes about
[00:32:04] Ms.
[00:32:06] Krystyna Pawłowicz, before she was a Member of Parliament, then a judge, who
[00:32:10] is an outstanding specialist in the field of public law,
[00:32:14] an author of textbooks in this area. Students
[00:32:18] praised her classes very much. We say the same about
[00:32:21] Maciej Berek, and we can move on to that in a moment. But
[00:32:25] please, what happened now, what happened
[00:32:28] now? We're talking about Minister Maciej Berek. For the first time in
[00:32:32] the history of the Constitutional Tribunal, and
[00:32:35] we already know it's 40 years old, right? It was
[00:32:38] established in 1982, started
[00:32:41] its work 4 years later, and for
[00:32:45] the first time in the history of this constitutional
[00:32:48] body, a constitutional minister was appointed to its
[00:32:51] composition.
[00:32:55] He resigned a few days earlier. Well, Ms. Krystyna
[00:32:58] Pawłowicz,
[00:33:00] was still reading
[00:33:05] to choose a constitutional
[00:33:07] minister.
[00:33:15] politics, Minister of
[00:33:16] Affairs,
[00:33:21] Professor, thank you very much, they were not
[00:33:23] politicians. Please, Good evening. I have
[00:33:27] a question for Professor Karski. Professor, what is
[00:33:31] more important today, repairing the tribunal or holding accountable those
[00:33:35] who caused this
[00:33:36] crisis?
[00:33:39] I think this way, I mean, you'll forgive me if I turn for a moment
[00:33:43] here, to address
[00:33:45] the question,
[00:33:48] I think the most important thing is
[00:33:53] track, that is, after this
[00:33:56] disaster, which Civic Platform caused in
[00:33:59] 2015, we should undertake
[00:34:03] actions that will lead to
[00:34:06] healing the tribunal. However, the actions
[00:34:09] currently being taken by the current government
[00:34:13] are not leading to this. They are deepening
[00:34:16] disputes, and the tribunal should be a body enjoying
[00:34:20] the trust of all Poles, it should also enjoy
[00:34:23] the trust of all of us as
[00:34:27] politicians, after all, it is the Sejm that elects the judges of the Constitutional
[00:34:30] Tribunal, and at the end there is Mr. President, so Mr.
[00:34:33] President, as we have already established, as we know,
[00:34:37] takes, takes an oath taken
[00:34:41] before him in a situation when it becomes current... he will choose
[00:34:45] elected a person who is even
[00:34:52] not called a judge, but a person to the office
[00:34:54] of judge,
[00:34:57] then he takes an oath from her and at that moment
[00:35:01] the employment relationship of a judge of the Constitutional
[00:35:03] Tribunal is established. This formula, based on Article
[00:35:07] 197 of the Constitution, was adopted in the Act on
[00:35:10] the status of judges of the Constitutional
[00:35:12] Tribunal.
[00:35:20] December 3rd, thank you for these explanations. You saw, perhaps on
[00:35:23] the screen, a somewhat foreign object, this is the moment of extracting a Russian
[00:35:26] drone, or drone, that fell near Jarosławiec, this is the moment
[00:35:30] when Polish services got it. It flew across all of Poland,
[00:35:33] unnoticed, fell into the water, maybe it washed up on the shore, and then
[00:35:37] our brave services from
[00:35:39] PiS. There was also such a case, but that was a few years ago. But where did the professor get
[00:35:43] that?
[00:35:51] I wanted to ask you, Professor, don't you have the impression
[00:35:55] that it has gone to such a point that even
[00:35:58] if there is a spectacular
[00:36:01] change of power, and the tribunal is filled earlier,
[00:36:04] this new power will still not respect it? But that's
[00:36:08] why I say we need to reach an agreement. Mr. Member of Parliament Pejo talks about a constitutional
[00:36:11] reset, I talk about consensus in this area.
[00:36:15] That's what this reset is supposed to be about, meaning we're generally talking about
[00:36:19] the same thing at this moment, I just call it differently. Why didn't you
[00:36:22] accept the invitation to discuss the constitutional
[00:36:24] reset,
[00:36:27] which
[00:37:04] was in Afghanistan, who holds the rank
[00:37:16] of colonel, and he didn't sign that nomination? Tell me
[00:37:19] why? For the same reason that he won't take the oath of
[00:37:23] judges, because it's politically convenient for him, and this
[00:37:26] ambassador now... in bombed Kyiv represents the Majesty of the Republic of
[00:37:30] Poland, he can't get the signature of President
[00:37:32] Nawrocki.
[00:37:37] You removed, recalled from his position, Ambassador
[00:37:40] Cichocki, who in the first
[00:37:42] days of the full-scale attack on
[00:37:46] Ukraine, was the only member of the diplomatic corps
[00:37:49] who remained in Kyiv. Bombs were falling
[00:37:53] a brave man whom you
[00:37:55] recalled.
[00:37:57] ambassadors, and let's return, ladies and gentlemen, to the Constitutional Tribunal.
[00:38:01] The editor asks if
[00:38:04] it is possible
[00:38:07] to reach an agreement, if an agreement is possible. Throughout this program, Mr.
[00:38:11] Karski blamed the current
[00:38:14] government. In 2015, we elected two
[00:38:18] additional ones. What did you do? Judges in
[00:38:21] 2015, Minister Berek
[00:38:24] 2026.
[00:38:37] was a tool, we don't like the law, we vote against it, so what does the president
[00:38:41] do? Either he vetoes it, which doesn't pass because we don't have a
[00:38:44] majority, or he refers it to the Constitutional Tribunal,
[00:38:48] where such a composition is selected that it states, yes, it is inconsistent with
[00:38:52] the Constitution. And you don't need a tribunal for the same purpose, of course not,
[00:38:56] not you, Mr. Member of Parliament,
[00:38:58] no,
[00:39:00] but please, please let me finish, no, precisely, over these years
[00:39:03] we have developed such a conviction and we say
[00:39:06] your tribunal or our
[00:39:08] tribunal.
[00:39:14] what
[00:39:14] accompanies,
[00:39:18] you want to
[00:39:18] say,
[00:39:23] I sometimes try to introduce elementary order.
[00:39:57] The second is his character traits, which are to show
[00:40:00] that even if everything falls apart and burns, the judge will issue
[00:40:04] a ruling that he considers appropriate, not
[00:40:07] one that will change the composition of the adjudicating panel before issuing a verdict, being
[00:40:11] a several-decade-long associate of Donald Tusk. There is no
[00:40:14] doubt that the ruling of 3
[00:40:16] in 2026,
[00:40:21] in case of such a need, among hundreds of thousands of Poles, there will be a demonstration in
[00:40:25] defense of the tribunal. Because this will be another such political
[00:40:29] farce, one can say, and hundreds of thousands of Poles are not a
[00:40:32] political farce, or hundreds of thousands, we don't know that, of course. This is what Law and
[00:40:36] Justice is announcing. I don't think that, because Poles are also fed up with these
[00:40:40] demonstrations, but they are also fed up with such pushing and such political
[00:40:43] ping-pong that you are playing. Maybe Poles don't want this tribunal at all.
[00:40:47] Even, editor, one has to explain
[00:40:51] what politicians are really about, and that's precisely what it's about, to
[00:40:54] seize this Constitutional Tribunal, and I think that here there is a huge role for you... also for
[00:40:58] you, in the sense of the media, the so-called fourth power, for you to specifically
[00:41:01] criticize both sides, it's not about whether it's PiS or Platforma, but those
[00:41:05] who act this way with Poles, they just make
[00:41:08] people a dot at this point in the SMS court that you proposed.
[00:41:12] 97% believe that the president should
[00:41:15] swear in all three, no, for that on platform x
[00:41:19] 52,
[00:41:21] yes, 48 no. So in both cases
[00:41:25] the majority of those who chose to take
[00:41:27] part in this survey believe that the head of state should
[00:41:31] swear in everyone. The most important
[00:41:34] conclusion of this meeting: the president represents the nation. Thank you very much, everyone.
[00:41:37] dziękuję,
[00:42:19] Huawei Watch GT7 Pro, gain
[00:42:22] an advantage in every challenge, perfect
[00:42:25] every move and act as long as you
[00:42:28] want, choose the best route and
[00:42:32] track every detail, Huawei
[00:42:35] Watch GT7 Pro, unleash your power
[00:42:38] now. Huawei Watch GT7 and GT7 Pro smartwatches
[00:42:42] in a premiere offer with a discount code for 200 zł
[00:42:45] cheaper.
[00:42:47] you are sure of yourself, they have many reasons to
[00:42:51] smile. With Alior Account, they gain up to 800 zł in the promotion, and
[00:42:54] holiday pleasures cost them less thanks to the best exchange rates
[00:42:58] in Alior Mobile. Open an Alior Account and gain up to 800 zł, as well as
[00:43:02] a modern payment ring. Président
[00:43:05] delicate with crunchy radish,
[00:43:08] pieces of tomatoes, in which you can feel the sun, and
[00:43:11] chives, which will take over the whole kitchen.
[00:43:15] Nice, different,
[00:44:29] From the first morning coffee, we are flooded with
[00:44:32] information. There is no time to even verify it, because
[00:44:35] new ones keep appearing. We check them for you,
[00:44:39] so you don't fall into the trap of disinformation, from Monday to Friday.
[00:44:54] TVP
[00:44:55] Info,
[00:45:05] come to Lidl for low prices,
[00:45:07] every day. It pays off. From
[00:45:11] Monday with a Lidl Plus coupon, butcher's pork shoulder
[00:45:15] 9.999 per kilogram. UHT
[00:45:18] milk 3.2%, your Mlekowita cup
[00:45:21] 99 groszy per package when buying six
[00:45:24] and all barn-laid eggs
[00:45:27] are cheaper, the second cheaper product 50%
[00:45:30] cheaper. Lidl, it pays
[00:45:32] off.
[00:45:36] and everything better has changed.
[00:45:41] so that new and better things could be
[00:45:44] introduced, so that it would quickly become
[00:45:47] clean,
[00:45:52] so that it would look like a cinema,
[00:45:56] so that hands would be free, the euro
[00:45:59] came in, it became cheaper in stores at
[00:46:02] Eurocom.pl, maximum
[00:46:06] taste in every square.
[00:46:10] Try Milka Max, buy
[00:46:13] now and get
[00:46:14] cash back.
[00:46:18] In first place, Orange Taco, subscription and
[00:46:22] smartphone from 59 PLN per month, what a hit!
[00:46:25] Let's go, come to Orange for a price hit, subscription with Samsung smartphone
[00:46:29] together from 59 PLN per month with discounts, number one network
[00:46:52] tenko. BIG helps ensure financial credibility. In the BIG report, you
[00:46:56] can check if you have any delays, or if no one.