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[00:00:16] CPN package for now, because, as it claims, it has no
[00:00:23] Antoni Macierewicz broke the contract for
[00:00:48] Good morning, everyone, it's 9:30, this is the program Woronicza
[00:00:51] 17, Kamila Biedrzycka, I warmly welcome you and invite you to our
[00:00:55] meeting today with Krzysztof Kwiatkowski from Civic Coalition, good morning, I warmly
[00:00:58] welcome you all.
[00:01:31] attacks, hopefully only hybrid ones, from Russia, but we know that all
[00:01:35] these events that have recently taken place near the Polish
[00:01:38] border, well, allow us to postulate that
[00:01:41] Vladimir Putin is escalating the course, we also have good
[00:01:44] news from across the ocean, Donald Trump emphasized that we are
[00:01:48] getting closer to building American bases in Poland, there is
[00:01:52] no final decision yet, but thanks to Karol
[00:01:55] Nawrocki, as emphasized by the President of the United States, this
[00:01:58] goal is getting closer. Closer, let's listen to how it
[00:02:01] looked this past week.
[00:02:05] Russia will escalate, it is going up the escalation ladder,
[00:02:09] this is visible in recent weeks towards the Baltic states,
[00:02:12] Romania, Moldova, Poland, Germany, other
[00:02:16] NATO and European Union countries. Many
[00:02:19] politicians, as well as political forces,
[00:02:22] Personal finance on are gaining strength and significance in European
[00:02:25] countries. They are just waiting for
[00:02:28] an alibi. 123
[00:03:02] We have personnel shortages and years or for 6 more years, but we are a nation that will never give up
[00:03:06] its soul, we may lose territory,
[00:03:10] we will never lose our homeland. There was
[00:03:13] no secret report on my desk, a fabricated lie
[00:03:16] to electrify public opinion and show off.
[00:03:20] The naive media's headlines blared for two days, no one checked, no one
[00:03:23] verified, who will believe him when something truly
[00:03:27] consisting, ladies and gentlemen, in happens. Significant progress has been made
[00:03:30] towards establishing a US Army base in Poland, if that happens,
[00:03:34] the location will be announced soon.
[00:03:37] I can assure you that the Polish government will make every effort to provide
[00:03:41] the best possible location for the US Army
[00:03:43] base. And in this last case, ladies and gentlemen, we have
[00:03:47] a perfect example of how cooperation leads to fruitful
[00:03:51] results, unfortunately we lack a bit of
[00:03:54] this cooperation, as evidenced by this rather, I will allow
[00:03:58] myself this word, embarrassing discussion.
[00:04:00] around the CIA report, I remind you that Prime Minister Donald Tusk
[00:04:04] was supposed to refer to the mentioned CIA report precisely during
[00:04:07] his speech in the Sejm, and according to the President's
[00:04:11] Chancellery, or at least Minister Marcin Przydacz, this report does not
[00:04:15] exist at all, and as you heard, according to him, Prime Minister Donald
[00:04:19] Tusk wanted to show off, I wonder
[00:04:21] if this word is adequate to the
[00:04:25] seriousness of the situation we are currently facing, Krzysztof Kwiatkowski, and
[00:04:29] then the lady. Minister Przydacz's
[00:04:30] statement is absurd,
[00:04:35] I generally have a request, because this entry appeared at
[00:04:39] carefully to the government side, I count night, politicians who make entries at night,
[00:04:42] it usually turns out badly, well, each of us, for natural reasons, is a bit less
[00:04:46] fit at night than during
[00:04:48] the day, what is most important in this matter is that
[00:04:52] our American ally provides us with information,
[00:04:56] I remind you, the head of the CIA was in Russia, then a meeting takes place.
[00:05:00] Minister Siemoniak, Minister Siemoniak conveys this
[00:05:03] information not only to the Prime Minister, but also meets with
[00:05:07] the head of the National Security Bureau, who is probably
[00:05:09] slightly embarrassed by Minister Przydacz's statement,
[00:05:13] who made his entry on the night of September 17-18,
[00:05:16] on September 18 he corrects it and clearly
[00:05:19] states that yes, Minister Siemoniak
[00:05:22] conveyed this information to him from
[00:05:25] that meeting, and I think I am, as I look around, the only one in this group who
[00:05:29] supervised the uniformed services, specifically the prison
[00:05:32] service, a report can be written or oral, so Minister
[00:05:35] Siemoniak submitted a report from the meeting and
[00:05:39] reported to the Prime Minister, and the expectation that a report... must be
[00:05:43] in writing every time, well, I will say delicately that the head of the
[00:05:46] CIA writes written reports, but to President Trump, not
[00:05:50] President Nawrocki or Prime Minister
[00:05:52] Tusk. I hope that this, well, I apologize, but it is
[00:05:56] problematic from the perspective of the image of the institutions of the Polish
[00:06:00] State, that this discussion will end, I count
[00:06:03] more on what the editor pointed out, because this week is also a good
[00:06:07] example of cooperation between all centers of power in the context
[00:06:10] of strengthening presence.
[00:06:17] the head of the national security bureau seems to be trying
[00:06:21] with all his might to end this rather unpleasant exchange
[00:06:24] of words by stating that we should put a stop to it here and
[00:06:27] the most important thing is that when it comes to security, this
[00:06:30] verbal CIA report, the most important thing is that there is a flow of information, I quote,
[00:06:34] between the government center and the presidential center, in
[00:06:37] this case the minister, coordinator, but... as we
[00:06:41] see after yesterday's meeting, between the Minister of National Defense and the
[00:06:44] President, can't it be like this, why did Mr. Przydacz utter
[00:06:48] these words about showing off, about it being
[00:06:52] a lie, about it being some kind of political
[00:06:55] theater, is it appropriate, Madam
[00:06:58] Editor, I honestly admit that I don't quite understand what this whole
[00:07:02] discussion is about,
[00:07:04] we are talking about security, we are talking about
[00:07:07] what is happening in this matter and on this and
[00:07:11] part of this... topic is obviously the cooperation of the President
[00:07:15] as the commander-in-chief of the armed forces with
[00:07:17] the government with the Polish army
[00:07:21] and this cooperation in comparison to other various
[00:07:24] areas is going very well, we are satisfied
[00:07:28] with this, we are happy about it and we are happy about it above
[00:07:31] all, that we have made enormous progress thanks to, and
[00:07:34] here the emphasis by President
[00:07:38] Donald Trump, thanks to the leadership of Karol
[00:07:41] Nawrocki, President. We have made enormous progress when it comes to
[00:07:45] strengthening our security through
[00:07:48] preparing a permanent US military base
[00:07:51] in Poland, all of this is happening in just a year,
[00:07:54] because I remind you that at a time when
[00:07:57] Americans are reducing their military presence
[00:08:01] in Europe, we are not only moving towards increasing the number of
[00:08:05] American troops, but also making great progress
[00:08:08] in preparing a permanent base, that is the most important thing, while
[00:08:11] returning to... this thread, which the editor started with,
[00:08:15] we are dealing with a situation where Prime Minister Tusk spoke
[00:08:18] imprecisely, the media picked it up and
[00:08:22] then,
[00:08:23] później,
[00:08:27] but a report can be oral, it can be, but there is no
[00:08:31] problem here, that's why I say that I don't really understand what needs to be discussed with Minister
[00:08:34] Przydacz, Madam Editor, I think that these
[00:08:38] are simply very, very serious issues, here.
[00:08:42] words, every word, as
[00:08:44] you can see
[00:08:48] now, every word is by the media,
[00:08:51] very scrupulously, as we can see, analyzed,
[00:08:54] here this imprecise statement, because if the Prime Minister had immediately said that it was
[00:08:58] an oral report, there would be no problem at all, I understand that you have comments
[00:09:01] about the Prime Minister, about Mr. Przydacz for that showing off, there aren't any,
[00:09:05] Madam Editor, well, I will say this, in a political
[00:09:08] debate we deal with various slogans, I absolutely...
[00:09:13] as for the merits of the case, with Minister Przydacz, and I am glad
[00:09:16] and I highly appreciate
[00:09:20] his work, if you agree with the minister that the Prime Minister
[00:09:24] showed off by talking about this CIA information, the Prime Minister
[00:09:27] is known for providing
[00:09:31] various information in such
[00:09:34] forms that later turn out to be not entirely
[00:09:37] precise, to put it mildly,
[00:09:41] what concerns me most in all this
[00:09:45] is the fact that because the Prime Minister very
[00:09:48] often, to put it bluntly, deviates from
[00:09:52] the truth, I am afraid of a situation where we will truly be dealing
[00:09:55] with a very serious situation, few people
[00:09:58] will believe this, I am asking again, because this is a very serious accusation that has just
[00:10:02] appeared, the Prime Minister often deviates from the truth, I understand, please
[00:10:06] correct me if I misunderstood, that in your opinion, in matters of defense and
[00:10:09] security, he also deviates from the truth.
[00:10:33] it was not like that, that in a situation where he would truly speak precisely, it would not be
[00:10:37] received. Jakub Stefaniak as Deputy Head of the Prime Minister's Chancellery,
[00:10:41] many accusations were made here against the way information is conveyed and generally,
[00:10:45] as I understand, against the building of this tension by the Prime Minister.
[00:10:49] So if you could address these accusations, ladies and gentlemen, first
[00:10:52] of all, if anyone deviates from the truth... it's rather right-wing politicians
[00:10:56] who even in this studio had the audacity to say
[00:10:59] that today the situation is safer than in
[00:11:02] 2022, when the escalation of the war in Ukraine began. This is
[00:11:06] nonsense and no one is scaring anyone here, but
[00:11:09] a responsible government and
[00:11:12] responsible governance also involves informing on an ongoing basis.
[00:11:16] Madam Editor, please allow me not to refer
[00:11:19] to any Twitter antics of individual officials
[00:11:23] of the presidential palace, but I will talk about specifics. Because they are very important today and
[00:11:26] a lot is happening in this area of ensuring security,
[00:11:30] both regarding the US base, it must also
[00:11:34] be emphasized that this has accelerated, but it is not
[00:11:37] the result of just one or two meetings, it is a process, we are in this
[00:11:41] process, there are numerous meetings, of course, of representatives
[00:11:44] of the President, but also of the Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of National Defense with Pete
[00:11:48] Hoekstra, I think Władysław Kosiniak-Kamysz meets
[00:11:51] most often when it comes to European politicians and
[00:11:55] this is very good, because the location of the base is
[00:11:59] practically chosen and this process
[00:12:02] continues, as I said, it is accelerating, but it's not just that, it's also
[00:12:06] strengthening the eastern border, wait a moment, that will be
[00:12:09] in a moment, however, there is also the issue of the eastern border, here too
[00:12:13] a lot is happening in the context of what we experienced on September
[00:12:17] 17 with these alarms, there too, firstly,
[00:12:20] we are expanding the Eastern Shield, that is already over 3 billion for the Eastern Shield.
[00:12:25] Another several hundred kilometers of the border will be strengthened,
[00:12:28] the leadership of the Ministry of Defense announced this, the topic
[00:12:31] of the land forces helicopter base in Świdnik, for example,
[00:12:35] is returning, where the topic is also accelerating, I spoke about it recently in
[00:12:38] Lublin at a press conference, so we are working on several
[00:12:42] fronts, maybe I will surprise you, today I would like to thank the minister
[00:12:45] for such good cooperation and the signals from both Prime Minister
[00:12:48] Kosiniak-Kamysz and the presidential palace on the topic
[00:12:52] of the American base are consistent and coherent, and that
[00:12:55] is how it should be, but so it is not all rosy,
[00:12:59] but you know, this is also important, because we are also receiving disturbing signals that some
[00:13:03] of the right wing is trying to send emissaries to the US,
[00:13:06] to talk to the Republican party, with their representatives, in order to delay
[00:13:10] this process, if you allow me, because I will give you the floor in a moment, but
[00:13:14] I will clarify and then move on to MP Jabłoński,
[00:13:17] will you allow me, Mr. Minister, because you are probably referring to Adam
[00:13:20] Bielan's statement, am I right, I will
[00:13:23] not. gave an interview in
[00:13:26] which he said that the situation in the Constitutional Tribunal could
[00:13:30] escalate to such an extent that Donald Trump would become interested
[00:13:34] in it, and perhaps someone would tell Donald Trump what is
[00:13:37] happening, and the situation could end in such a way that
[00:13:41] if the government, if the current authorities continue such
[00:13:44] and such an attempt to resolve the matter in the Constitutional Tribunal,
[00:13:48] then perhaps Donald Trump would halt his decision to
[00:13:51] build American bases in Poland, well, to call it
[00:13:55] public blackmail is probably a bit of an understatement.
[00:13:58] If anyone, anyone, I won't point fingers, but if
[00:14:01] anyone goes to the States and asks
[00:14:05] Republicans to stop this process, they are a traitor,
[00:14:08] I cannot use another word for
[00:14:11] such a person and define them for a simple reason,
[00:14:15] today the establishment of a permanent American base in Poland will not
[00:14:18] be the success of one, two, or three political parties, it will be the provision of
[00:14:22] security, even greater security. Now
[00:14:26] Paweł Jabłoński, Mr. MP, Marcin
[00:14:28] Horała, who by the way was elected by the parliamentary
[00:14:32] majority as Deputy Speaker on Friday, said,
[00:14:35] referring precisely to the eastern border, to the
[00:14:39] Eastern Shield, that's why I remembered it, he said
[00:14:42] that, well, the Prime Minister is scaremongering, but as
[00:14:46] for strengthening the eastern border, very little is actually happening and there is too
[00:14:49] little information, did Deputy Speaker Horała get a bit carried away, or do you
[00:14:53] share this opinion? I do, I'll explain
[00:14:56] why in a moment, I just see that I have to make
[00:15:00] this formal reservation, I listened very
[00:15:04] on it, just as no one interrupted you, the editor also
[00:15:07] does not interrupt the government representatives, I interrupted and apologized for it,
[00:15:11] the minister was talking, you interrupted her every other sentence,
[00:15:14] I appeal, you keep interrupting me even now, when I am
[00:15:18] making a point, I must unfortunately stick to the facts,
[00:15:21] you don't have to, I have to, I appeal to
[00:15:24] you, Madam Editor, not to interrupt me, so I don't have to retaliate.
[00:15:27] Ad meritum, as for the Eastern Shield, these are not
[00:15:30] the words of this or that politician, but the findings of a French analyst
[00:15:34] described at the end of July
[00:15:38] on the ONET portal, ladies and gentlemen, the length of our eastern and northern
[00:15:41] border, i.e. the Kaliningrad Oblast, the Suwałki Gap, this short section with Lithuania and
[00:15:45] Belarus, is, ladies and gentlemen, 744
[00:15:48] km. Do you know how much has been secured? Over 2.5
[00:15:51] years, 2 and a half years ago Donald Tusk announced the Eastern Shield, there are two versions,
[00:15:55] ladies and gentlemen, 4 km, says one version, the other version says 11
[00:15:58] km, when I listen to Minister Stefaniak, who says:
[00:16:02] there will be another several hundred meters, this has been announced, Mr. Minister,
[00:16:05] my dear.
[00:16:37] I checked, because you could reportedly sign up through a citizen, military training was announced
[00:16:41] by Mr. Kosiniak, Kamysz, Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defense, he announced it a year and a half
[00:16:44] ago, there is practically no military training, if someone tries
[00:16:48] to sign up, it always says no places, only a reserve list, no places, a reserve list,
[00:16:51] in a year and a half you reportedly trained 16
[00:16:55] people, but that's not even certain, because it's actually very difficult to get
[00:16:59] there, let's go back to the issue we started with,
[00:17:02] which is how Polish state communication looks like on
[00:17:05] September 10, a year and a half ago? "I received a report from the head of the
[00:17:09] CIA, maybe oral, maybe written, why then
[00:17:13] 5 days later on Polsat News, Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defense
[00:17:16] Kosiniak Kamysz says: I haven't seen this
[00:17:19] report, for a week the Prime Minister didn't give
[00:17:22] the Minister of Defense this report, are you surprised that people are asking
[00:17:26] questions, are you surprised that there is chaos, why isn't
[00:17:29] Donald Tusk doing today what Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki did in 2021, when
[00:17:33] we received information from the Americans then, immediately in November."
[00:17:47] This is a show in the Sejm and saying Russia is dangerous, Russia is a threat, we all know that Russia is
[00:17:50] a threat, however, if there is new information, it is passed on under
[00:17:53] clauses, this is a different mode of operation, that is why, and here I agree
[00:17:57] with Minister Przydacz, Donald Tusk uses it for propaganda, but
[00:18:00] in reality I do not see any action either
[00:18:02] internally,
[00:18:05] but here.
[00:18:07] just briefly please, because both Mr. Biedroń and Mr.
[00:18:11] Rzepecki have not spoken yet, wait a moment, this really needs
[00:18:15] to be addressed, first of all, I will not maliciously
[00:18:18] remind you how we found the barrier built by
[00:18:21] the PiS government, Mateusz Morawiecki's government, how tight it was, although
[00:18:25] I won't say, 30, 30%,
[00:18:29] I also won't refer to how selectively you treat Onet,
[00:18:32] when it's to your liking, you quote it, when it's not, you say it's German
[00:18:36] media, this is not true, of course not true, I'll tell
[00:18:39] you more, the General Staff of the Polish Army states, Mr. MP, since
[00:18:43] you're talking about numbers, that 100 km and over 200 by the end of the year, this is not
[00:18:47] my information, but it is information provided on July
[00:18:50] 31 by the General Staff
[00:18:52] of the Armed Forces, so the army is lying in your opinion, journalists
[00:18:56] say it's not true, but do you believe journalists or the army, I believe that
[00:19:00] if someone drove along the entire border, and that's how it was described, when were you at
[00:19:03] that border
[00:19:06] last, please.
[00:19:37] that in 2024, do you know how much
[00:19:40] your boss Morawiecki left for civil defense? Zero in
[00:19:44] the budget for 2024, moreover, he wanted
[00:19:47] to do, he wanted to do
[00:19:49] the liquidation of the RCB, the Government Security Center, and you know this perfectly
[00:19:53] well, what did we do? In the years 2025-26
[00:19:57] we allocated 34 billion for civil defense, currently we have
[00:20:01] over half a million people trained within the civil
[00:20:04] defense academy, you can sign up now.
[00:20:42] thank you very much for how courteously and politely
[00:20:46] you are behaving, please, just as the unnecessary confrontation between two
[00:20:50] centers of power was this passing the buck
[00:20:53] between Minister Przydacz and Prime Minister Tusk, so here in
[00:20:56] this studio there is also a passing of
[00:20:59] shared responsibility, and the one responsible for what
[00:21:02] is currently happening in our country is primarily
[00:21:06] the Civic Coalition, but also
[00:21:09] to some extent Law and Justice, but why
[00:21:12] the Civic Coalition? Primarily because it has been governing for over three
[00:21:16] years, and what has happened in the last three
[00:21:20] years? First example: shelters, do you know, ladies
[00:21:23] and gentlemen, how many shelters we had in 2023?
[00:21:26] 1900. Do you know how many we have in August
[00:21:30] 2026? These are data for the
[00:21:33] end of August 2026, about 1900
[00:21:37] shelters, which means we have even fewer shelters in the last
[00:21:40] three years than in
[00:21:42] 2023. Moreover, you talked about intelligence
[00:21:46] data, which is fire brigade data.
[00:21:50] You talked
[00:21:54] so much about intelligence data, of course intelligence data is the
[00:21:57] most important, so why are
[00:22:00] we annually reducing the military intelligence service budget?
[00:22:04] I will cite, in 2024 it was
[00:22:07] 694 million, in 25 579
[00:22:11] million, in 26 464 million, for
[00:22:14] the end of 2027,
[00:22:17] 2027, do you know how much is planned
[00:22:20] for the military intelligence budget, only 404
[00:22:24] million PLN. Let's move on. Ladies and gentlemen, there is a saying,
[00:22:27] if you want peace, prepare for war. So why, in the last
[00:22:31] three years, apart from these
[00:22:34] shelters, have we not built
[00:22:37] additional ammunition factories, weapons
[00:22:40] factories, why are there no necessary
[00:22:44] reservist trainings, why have we not tested the defense
[00:22:47] system, not mobilized even one.
[00:23:23] on my right, in a moment you will also have the opportunity, please, I admit that it is very embarrassing, and I think the viewers also
[00:23:26] feel that way when they see politicians quarreling, arguing
[00:23:30] about such important, fundamental security matters,
[00:23:32] about
[00:23:35] things that are actually small, and every time Putin opens champagne
[00:23:39] in the Kremlin on this matter, when he divides us, yes, my dear sir,
[00:23:43] because if politicians allow themselves to do so in times
[00:23:47] when various kinds
[00:23:50] of
[00:23:52] no longer incidents,
[00:24:00] but real attacks from Russia,
[00:24:03] politicians allow themselves
[00:24:06] to call Polish generals
[00:24:09] concrete, because those were the words Mr. Błaszczak
[00:24:12] used, there are
[00:24:15] politicians, your colleague, I won't even
[00:24:18] say such things.
[00:24:50] The president meets with Deputy Prime Minister Kosiniak-
[00:24:52] Kamysz, a positive message is conveyed, when
[00:24:56] the initiative for a permanent US military
[00:24:59] base is launched, across party lines, we
[00:25:02] support it, and that's how we should act, it cannot be that when money
[00:25:06] flows to Poland, which we again negotiated in the European Parliament
[00:25:09] across party lines, 180 billion PLN for the
[00:25:13] SAFE program, the President, to spite the government,
[00:25:16] vetoes this money, for God's sake. There are
[00:25:20] things that need to be resolved across
[00:25:23] party political
[00:25:25] lines,
[00:25:28] authorities, but do all these questions that Mr. Rzepecki asked,
[00:25:31] do these comments that Mr.
[00:25:33] Jabłoński made,
[00:25:37] I will tell you from experience, this place, this
[00:25:41] place traditionally in Polish politics was the National
[00:25:45] Security Council, I had the opportunity to participate
[00:25:49] in the National Security Council.
[00:26:02] to play party politics on this security,
[00:26:05] instead of uniting, it divides, this is the biggest threat
[00:26:09] today, I appeal, not only on behalf of the
[00:26:12] Left, but I think millions of Poles, for the President to finally
[00:26:16] mature into his role and become a truly mature
[00:26:20] commander-in-chief of the armed forces and regularly convene
[00:26:24] National Security Councils,
[00:26:26] this will tone down emotions, it will curb political
[00:26:30] tensions.
[00:27:03] for the purchase of armaments in Polish factories, but there is something even more absurd,
[00:27:06] what is particularly important to me, a politician is accountable to
[00:27:10] society, we ensure this security through civil
[00:27:13] defense, PiS in 2022
[00:27:16] liquidated civil defense, you were so
[00:27:19] concerned that you repealed all existing
[00:27:21] regulations regarding civil defense, what did
[00:27:25] the current government do, not only did it introduce legal regulations,
[00:27:28] a special act that again introduced principles
[00:27:31] for the protection of Polish population, it also
[00:27:35] adopted a government program that provides
[00:27:38] 0.3% of GDP annually for
[00:27:41] investments in civil defense, which is about
[00:27:45] 17 billion PLN, because for the years
[00:27:48] 2025-2026, 34 billion PLN is allocated,
[00:27:52] does a shelter get built quickly? No, a shelter doesn't get built quickly, and
[00:27:56] why has the number decreased, because we inspected these shelters that were in
[00:27:59] the list and it turned out that some of them didn't even meet the
[00:28:02] shelter standard. And there are specific regulations, for that
[00:28:05] today, I didn't interrupt you, I didn't
[00:28:09] interrupt you and I asked that, and aren't you ashamed,
[00:28:12] you didn't care about the civilian population, you repealed
[00:28:16] the regulations, you didn't allocate any financial resources for
[00:28:19] the protection of the population, and today you are shedding crocodile
[00:28:23] tears, now the program is in place, voivodes are distributing
[00:28:26] financial resources through local government, local
[00:28:29] officials submit applications and prepare such places of protection
[00:28:33] and shelters precisely to protect the civilian population, which
[00:28:36] from the point of view of the modern theater war, unfortunately, as the
[00:28:40] example of Ukraine shows, is exactly such a target as military targets.
[00:28:44] We will take care of border security and we will take care of
[00:28:47] the security of Polish women and men, which PiS did not care about. Jakub
[00:28:50] Stefaniak: Ultimate Building Machine, please read what
[00:28:54] this system is, before you groundlessly accuse
[00:28:58] anyone of anything. However, regarding the political environment that you
[00:29:02] represent today, because earlier, let's remember, you represented PiS
[00:29:05] and President Duda,
[00:29:08] I would like to refer to the Confederation environment, if
[00:29:12] anyone is to accuse anyone of issues related
[00:29:15] to ammunition production, it's certainly not you and Mr. Męcen, who voted against
[00:29:19] the SAVE program, thanks to which ammunition factories are being built in Poland
[00:29:22] exactly, and if we have, and if we have, please go to Kraśnik
[00:29:26] and see, for example, I won't give you all the lectures
[00:29:29] now, to check it, it's not
[00:29:33] secret knowledge, although sometimes I have the impression that we tell
[00:29:37] you too much, because we don't know where that information goes later, so smoothly
[00:29:41] moving on to the topic of the Security Council, it
[00:29:43] is also an example that the President also has a problem,
[00:29:47] because ladies and gentlemen, one must say clearly, if today
[00:29:51] pro-Russian forces are operating in Poland among politicians who call
[00:29:54] themselves Polish politicians, then how can the President responsibly
[00:29:58] invite such politicians to the Security Council? Why? So that
[00:30:01] information that is there... reaches unauthorized sources, well, this
[00:30:05] is illogical, and here I will defend the Presidential
[00:30:08] Palace after all, because I agree that sometimes it's better not
[00:30:12] to organize such meetings so that later
[00:30:16] not to invite representatives of those who are a pro-Russian
[00:30:19] party, and as for insulting,
[00:30:23] because cognitive warfare is also warfare in the information sphere, in
[00:30:26] the social media sphere, insulting Polish officers
[00:30:30] by the former minister, fortunately former,
[00:31:15] The President has not decided to convene the National Security Council yet in the current
[00:31:18] situation, and does he have a plan to do so in the near future? Ladies and
[00:31:22] gentlemen, the President will make a decision when he deems
[00:31:26] that such a need exists, he will of course
[00:31:29] convene such a council, but I mean now there is no need, the
[00:31:33] President is currently visiting New
[00:31:36] York, and most of this week, these are
[00:31:40] meetings within the framework of the UN
[00:31:43] General Assembly. Also a visit
[00:31:46] to President Trump, and the
[00:31:49] President is constantly working on our security with very
[00:31:53] good results, which we have already discussed, I will not
[00:31:57] repeat that, but I believe that
[00:32:01] the discussion about who said what, I mean,
[00:32:05] our security does not come from debates, all these
[00:32:09] arguments that were brought up, what happened
[00:32:11] in the real world over these three years, consecutive from...
[00:32:16] from Russia's aggression against Ukraine, well,
[00:32:19] they show, they expose, they expose that
[00:32:22] that not much is happening, but I
[00:32:26] want to draw attention to one more thing, because accusing the
[00:32:29] President that vetoing the SAVE program, i.e.,
[00:32:33] a loan, let's remember, a loan, these are not funds that we would
[00:32:36] receive for free from the European Union, but it is a loan
[00:32:40] on difficult terms,
[00:32:43] but I can finish the sentence. Please do, just please stick to the facts,
[00:32:47] I stick to the facts, we are talking about a loan, a loan in
[00:32:50] a situation where on the one hand we have a good economic
[00:32:53] situation, which Prime Minister Tusk very often refers to, the
[00:32:57] high economic growth, an unknown
[00:33:00] situation is how at this moment,
[00:33:04] when our economy is booming, because we have a very good
[00:33:07] situation also regarding demographics at this moment in the labor
[00:33:11] market, our...
[00:33:15] debt, our public debt is growing, with a growing
[00:33:18] economy, our budget deficit is growing, which is huge, and what's
[00:33:21] important, ladies and gentlemen, another rating agency
[00:33:25] has downgraded Poland's rating, which means credibility regarding
[00:33:29] repayment and indebtedness, this is a very
[00:33:31] important information, because this happened for the first time in
[00:33:34] 22 years regarding Moody's agency,
[00:33:38] this indicates the state of our public finances and the credibility
[00:33:42] of the state, and what does this mean for every
[00:33:46] citizen? That we will incur, and we are already incurring, increasingly high
[00:33:49] costs of servicing our growing debt. How
[00:33:53] in such a situation do we want to build a strong army and
[00:33:56] arm ourselves, if we have increasingly bigger problems servicing our debt,
[00:34:00] which is growing exponentially? Such debt as Poland has
[00:34:04] today, it was not even in those most difficult times, which
[00:34:07] were very recent, I remind
[00:34:09] you of COVID, the beginning of the war in Ukraine, which
[00:34:13] resulted in a million refugees
[00:34:15] to Poland, and today we should have a much better
[00:34:18] situation, looking at how our economy is booming, this
[00:34:22] absolutely does not translate into the situation of public finances and
[00:34:25] indicates the complete incompetence of the government, as I
[00:34:28] announced, Paweł Jabłoński, but please allow me, Mr. Member, to ask one more thing, because I am
[00:34:32] curious about everyone's opinion, this week in the European
[00:34:35] Parliament, the annual address of the European Commission President,
[00:34:39] Ursula von der Leyen, took place. I am reading your mind, this is dangerous, and she said
[00:34:42] many things about defense, about security,
[00:34:45] and suggested that it would be worth considering a project
[00:34:49] somewhat like a supplement, as
[00:34:52] I understand, to what NATO is doing, namely
[00:34:56] a European something, within the framework of
[00:34:59] a certain, yes, a certain copy of Article 4 of the North
[00:35:03] Atlantic Alliance within the countries of the European
[00:35:06] Union, so I would like you to say a few words on this topic at the beginning. I emphasize that I listen
[00:35:10] to you carefully, I did not interrupt, it's mutual, it's very important that
[00:35:13] this context. Because the President of the European Commission, apart from
[00:35:17] the idea that she wants to create some kind of NATO copy, I don't quite understand why, because
[00:35:20] NATO is actually working effectively both in terms of Article 4 and Article 5, what's more,
[00:35:24] NATO is enshrined in the treaty, not many, I don't know if you know this, but in
[00:35:28] the Treaty on European Union there are also references to cooperation with NATO, in the Treaty on European
[00:35:32] Union, in the Treaty on the Functioning of the European
[00:35:33] Union,
[00:35:37] it's not an interruption, but you ask why, perhaps because Americans want to withdraw 50% of their troops from
[00:35:40] Europe, but Americans also, Americans, wait a moment, I understand that there are
[00:35:44] such things raised in the argumentation, except that the American
[00:35:48] administration, through this diplomatic pressure, some say even
[00:35:51] undiplomatic, that Trump attacked so harshly that European countries spend too little,
[00:35:55] so European countries started to spend more, in this respect
[00:35:58] the process is not all yet, that's true, but it has improved, I think
[00:36:02] you gentlemen will agree that here this undiplomatic,
[00:36:05] even very harsh action by Trump was also in our interest, but do you like this
[00:36:09] idea, I don't quite understand why duplicate something that is currently
[00:36:12] working,
[00:36:14] duplicate. You yourself said it's a copy of something, right, so NATO, in my opinion, worked
[00:36:18] efficiently, also after the Russian invasion of Ukraine. However, Ursula von der Leyen
[00:36:22] said something else in her speech and this refers to what
[00:36:26] you gentlemen said. She said that
[00:36:30] instead of continuing this SAVE program according to the existing
[00:36:33] assumptions, the next calls will be allocated to projects in
[00:36:37] Ukraine, I have nothing against the European Union
[00:36:40] continuing support for Ukraine, but you see, I abstained on
[00:36:44] SAVE, because I wanted to give this project a chance, but when
[00:36:48] I see how it is being implemented, that the deadline is very short, there are
[00:36:51] unrealistic, unrealistic requirements, some projects cannot be completed
[00:36:55] in this time, it will turn out
[00:37:47] guts turn over when you listen to this, but really, a rebellion
[00:37:50] grows if you hear about this argument all the time, the safe loan,
[00:37:54] everything was loaned, Korea was loaned,
[00:38:06] except for the purchase of American military equipment under the
[00:38:09] Foreign Military Financing program, then you say nothing, you only complain about the loan under
[00:38:13] the SAFE program, and I apologize, but I believe it's not a fair
[00:38:16] approach to the matter, Łukasz Rzepecki, please, it is a fair approach to
[00:38:20] the matter, Madam Editor,
[00:38:23] there was a loan, there was a loan and here is a loan, here is a loan for...
[00:38:57] annually for arming the Polish army, but
[00:39:00] we are spending these funds
[00:39:03] irresponsibly. Why irresponsibly? Why, because
[00:39:06] we have very bad regulations, we have
[00:39:10] over-bureaucracy, we should move towards
[00:39:13] deregulation of Polish laws, we should first
[00:39:16] and foremost move towards legal changes facilitating arms
[00:39:20] production, increasing competition in the market
[00:39:22] for supplies to the Ministry of National Defense, civilian
[00:39:26] services.
[00:39:30] you know it, don't laugh, ladies and gentlemen,
[00:39:33] at this, because we are talking about arming the Polish army and how
[00:39:37] inefficiently we spend Polish money, that's why this
[00:39:40] loan is not needed by us in any way,
[00:39:44] moreover, you do so many things wrong and there is so
[00:39:48] much incompetence in your actions that I have to have it
[00:39:52] noted down to tell you about everything, so that the viewers
[00:39:55] don't fall for your propaganda. We're changing the subject,
[00:40:15] I'm also addressing you here, because we're going to talk about fuel prices, that's
[00:40:19] also definitely something that keeps many
[00:40:22] of our viewers awake at night, also gentlemen, refer to the issue of security
[00:40:26] and defense.
[00:41:00] and paid for in the US will be about five years behind schedule in implementation, gentlemen, wake up,
[00:41:04] ladies and gentlemen, we order equipment from Polish factories, it was
[00:41:07] Polish arms companies that said, yes, we are able
[00:41:11] to deliver this equipment within these deadlines, second argument: you are spending money
[00:41:15] irresponsibly, well, that's a joke, it was the military
[00:41:18] who said what we are spending money on under SAFE, not
[00:41:21] politicians, not Błaszczak, who flew to Korea and bought
[00:41:24] planes without armament, well, you
[00:41:27] disgraced yourselves during your rule, we are putting it in the hands of
[00:41:31] experts. Third argument: we are increasing
[00:41:34] the defense capabilities of the Polish army, of course, but
[00:41:38] how do we do it intelligently? If the money goes, I will give
[00:41:41] the example of the military aircraft factories in Łódź, a service
[00:41:45] center for Apaches, for example, is being built there, it is not only important
[00:41:48] to buy equipment, that is 30, 40% of the cost
[00:41:51] during the use of a given combat equipment, we
[00:41:54] provide service locations, we
[00:41:57] provide, we provide that during your time, only
[00:42:03] Karakni ladies and gentlemen,
[00:42:07] today the problem with you was that you only talk.
[00:42:31] That guarantees us that this equipment will arrive and we are increasing
[00:42:34] Poland's defense capabilities, because we are developing
[00:42:36] our own,
[00:42:39] I get it, because
[00:42:40] Polish
[00:42:48] right, I don't know if you realize this, it is
[00:42:51] the only right-wing opposition in the European
[00:42:54] Union that voted against the SAFE program, there
[00:42:58] was no other such case,
[00:43:01] Polish right-wing has some strange
[00:43:04] characteristic that it loves,
[00:43:08] just like today...
[00:44:10] come into being, well, because Americans are withdrawing
[00:44:13] from Europe, not only in terms of, but also
[00:44:17] the burden of responsibility, one very important base
[00:44:20] and we need to fight for it across
[00:44:24] divisions, among the 750 permanent
[00:44:26] American bases worldwide, this should also show
[00:44:29] us the perspective, but only the Polish right has this
[00:44:33] perspective, well, ladies and gentlemen, we have 13 minutes
[00:44:37] left of the program, I wanted to light
[00:44:48] up, regarding the services,
[00:44:51] this is also an important piece of information, the head
[00:44:54] of the Ministry of Defense's report, I didn't see it, but he didn't have to see it when he was talking to the coordinator
[00:44:58] of the services about it, but that's not
[00:45:00] it,
[00:45:02] that there is a civilizational difference between us and you
[00:45:07] the fact that we do not negate.
[00:45:24] armament, no one broke them like Mr. Macierewicz, that's the civilizational
[00:45:28] difference, but as for the CEIV program, ladies and gentlemen,
[00:45:31] we have changed the philosophy, today Poland not only buys,
[00:45:35] but also produces and sells to our allies,
[00:45:38] these funds. 99% of the funds from the
[00:45:41] SAFE program go to the Polish arms industry, and it is hypocritical
[00:45:45] to see Confederation politicians, PiS, Mr.
[00:45:48] Morawiecki was also at the arms fair in Kielce, everyone was taking
[00:45:51] sweet photos with the BWP in Boborsuk, which was just created,
[00:45:55] Canadians are already interested in this project, we will sell it,
[00:45:58] not only the Polish army will use it, that's the main problem, but
[00:46:02] now,
[00:46:03] now,
[00:46:07] it was created much earlier, no safe at all.
[00:46:17] June 22, 2026,
[00:46:20] President Karol Nawrocki, today this arms industry will develop,
[00:46:23] among other things, thanks to the credit that went to Poland from the European
[00:46:27] Union credit, even Karol Nawrocki praised the SAFE program, it did
[00:46:31] not pass his lips in official propaganda, but in a factual
[00:46:34] way he referred to it at the security
[00:46:36] summit,
[00:46:40] So, as I promised and announced, we will now deal with
[00:46:44] fuel prices, because indeed, they
[00:46:47] are already reaching historical levels.
[00:46:50] Of course, the discussion continues about the reason. Donald Trump claims
[00:46:54] that it's Ukraine bombing Russian refineries, but it's clear
[00:46:57] that midterm elections are approaching, so he doesn't mention the situation in
[00:47:01] the Middle East, in the Sinai, Hormuz and so on. However,
[00:47:05] the government is not resuming the
[00:47:08] money for it in the budget. For the second time, it passed
[00:47:11] a law under which excessive profits of fuel
[00:47:15] concerns are to be taxed, which President Karol Nawrocki opposed, and the
[00:47:18] president himself also prepared his own bill concerning fuel prices, but the only problem is that...
[00:48:08] PKN, fuel costs normally, President
[00:48:12] Karol Nawrocki wants to introduce normality in
[00:48:15] terms of fuel prices, the Prime Minister himself suggested there was such
[00:48:19] a report, the Deputy Prime Minister said there was such a report, but he had no
[00:48:23] access to it, meanwhile yesterday we learn that maybe there was no
[00:48:26] report, well, this is a frivolous treatment
[00:48:29] of Poles,
[00:48:32] Mateusz Morawiecki broke in here, we didn't give him the floor today, so some imp
[00:48:36] jumped in here, regarding
[00:48:39] the report, nevertheless we
[00:48:42] are not returning, we are not returning to the topic of the report, I have a question
[00:48:46] for the Minister immediately and I really ask for time discipline, because
[00:48:49] there is little time, there is a presidential project...
[00:49:23] march, I want to give you one number: out of the eight or
[00:49:26] nine zloty today that fuel costs at the station that
[00:49:30] we refuel at, the price of crude oil is 2 zloty
[00:49:34] 48 groszy, this is the same price that
[00:49:37] it was more or less when, when the war in
[00:49:41] Ukraine began, and then we filled up with retail
[00:49:45] fuel at stations for about 5.70,
[00:49:48] this is the first thing, so from these
[00:49:52] 2.5 zloty to today 9 zloty,
[00:49:55] all the rest are fees, taxes and margins,
[00:49:59] Orlen's margins in the vast
[00:50:02] majority, now what is the difference between the government solution
[00:50:05] and the solution proposed by the president, which I hope
[00:50:09] will be, and the president hopes, will be considered
[00:50:13] by the Polish parliament and there will be a debate and discussion
[00:50:17] and solutions will be adopted, because it can be done,
[00:50:20] you don't have to shape
[00:50:24] the fuel market this way, but the difference primarily lies in the fact that, according to
[00:50:27] the president's project, margins would be limited
[00:50:30] by law, which would significantly
[00:50:33] reduce the price per liter by 0.5 to 2.60
[00:50:37] zloty, this would entail, of course,
[00:50:40] a relative reduction, a relative
[00:50:42] reduction,
[00:50:50] groundless.
[00:52:14] Germany, Italy, the countries of
[00:52:17] Benelux, and how does it work? If we have extraordinary profit
[00:52:21] from March, it can be taxed, and all this money
[00:52:24] can be allocated to fuel price subsidies. Representatives
[00:52:28] of the president say that you cannot impose taxes
[00:52:31] retroactively. Lie, you can, the European
[00:52:34] Union, other countries, even Donald Trump wants to
[00:52:37] tax American fuel concerns. The president's
[00:52:41] project is a huge threat, why? Today we have
[00:52:45] competition, not in market prices,
[00:52:48] but competition for fuel purchases. We tax extraordinary profits
[00:52:52] that occurred in the past and in accordance with the law and
[00:52:55] we want to allocate them to help citizens. Unfortunately, the president
[00:52:58] turned out to be a lobbyist for fuel concerns, he prefers the interests
[00:53:02] of fuel magnates, including Mol.
[00:53:45] I have a request for all of your viewers and also representatives
[00:53:49] of the Presidential Palace to go to the website, on Twitter, on
[00:53:52] the press office profile of Orlen, there President Fonfara, on
[00:53:56] building blocks for small children, explained what it's all about,
[00:53:59] maybe you'll understand when you watch that film, but
[00:54:03] it's nonsense, Mr. Minister, that if...
[00:54:05] we adopt the government bill and the President doesn't throw it in the trash
[00:54:09] again, then fuel prices will be higher, because we have already
[00:54:12] shown that the CPN program, the government's lower fuel prices, works. Miłosz
[00:54:16] Motyka set fuel prices overnight, there
[00:54:20] was no way for those prices to go up, don't
[00:54:22] tell, exactly, don't tell people fake
[00:54:26] news, because it really is, today we have
[00:54:29] a situation where the president defends
[00:54:32] large corporations, concerns,
[00:54:43] when you refuel, you pay CPN, President
[00:54:46] Nawrocki's prices, that's the reality today, that's the real
[00:54:50] CPN in Poland today, because President
[00:54:53] Nawrocki, unfortunately, defends certain mistakes
[00:54:56] that the Polish right also made in the past,
[00:55:00] the original sin, ladies and gentlemen, was
[00:55:03] the merger, the fusion.
[00:57:05] not a one-time, one-shot, which may or may not
[00:57:09] be effective, but a permanent mechanism, if the price of
[00:57:12] a barrel of oil exceeds 80 dollars, then an automatic refund to the
[00:57:16] driver's pocket, not to... you are identical
[00:57:48] to the politicians of Law and Justice, because for the
[00:57:51] umpteenth time you have proposed a statutory solution that aims
[00:57:55] to increase fuel prices, not to decrease them. A real decrease is
[00:57:58] a decrease in VAT, a decrease in
[00:58:00] excise duty,
[00:58:09] it was supposed to be 5.19,
[00:58:13] after all, the only solution when there was a shortage of fuel in Poland.
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