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[00:00:00] In the south of the country, the temperature is only
[00:00:16] From the first morning coffee, we are flooded
[00:00:20] with information, there is no even time to verify it, because
[00:00:23] new ones keep appearing, we check them for you,
[00:00:27] so you don't fall into the trap of disinformation.
[00:01:00] part of the report, prepared by the Pegasus
[00:01:03] Commission, what can we learn? Rafał Mirzajewski is
[00:01:07] already with you, Rafał?
[00:01:10] Well, as members of this commission say, literally a few dozen
[00:01:14] minutes before the beginning of the presentation of the
[00:01:17] public part of this report, well, everything indicates
[00:01:20] that long hours await us with the members of this commission, because
[00:01:24] there is a lot to present, because the deputies associated in this
[00:01:28] parliamentary body succeeded.
[00:01:33] witnesses from the world of politics, but also from the
[00:01:37] world of services, in some cases
[00:01:40] it ended with specific motions to the prosecutor's office, we know that
[00:01:44] seven people have already been charged, these
[00:01:48] charges primarily concern exceeding
[00:01:50] powers regarding the purchase and
[00:01:53] use of this Pegasus system,
[00:01:56] but as the chairwoman of this commission, Magdalena Sroka,
[00:02:00] said a few dozen minutes ago in the parliamentary corridor,
[00:02:03] it is not excluded that during
[00:02:06] today's session we will hear about new
[00:02:08] facts, new people, new names,
[00:02:12] that may appear in this scandal
[00:02:15] concerning Pegasus, that's why at
[00:02:18] 12:00 the public
[00:02:21] part of this report will be presented, and then probably after 2:00
[00:02:25] we journalists will be asked to leave the room and
[00:02:28] then already the people of this
[00:02:31] commission will analyze the classified
[00:02:35] part of this document in their own circle. What's new, what
[00:02:39] has appeared in the public
[00:02:41] and respond to space in recent hours, are primarily two key
[00:02:44] pieces of information, which until now
[00:02:47] were not in the public consciousness.
[00:02:51] The first fact is what prosecutors who cooperate
[00:02:54] with the investigative commission
[00:02:57] here in the Sejm also revealed, that
[00:03:00] theoretically, when Law and Justice and
[00:03:04] then the Law and Justice Government decided to buy such
[00:03:08] an instrument for surveillance, it was then said that thanks
[00:03:11] to such software, it would be possible to catch terrorists,
[00:03:15] smugglers, arms or drug dealers, but
[00:03:19] as Polish investigators found out, in
[00:03:22] this agreement between the Polish and Israeli sides, there was
[00:03:26] such an annex, such an amendment, which said that if...
[00:03:30] this potential threat were to come from a phone
[00:03:33] registered by a citizen of the Russian
[00:03:36] Federation, Belarus, Israel or North
[00:03:39] Korea, then Pegasus could not be installed on it, and today's government officials,
[00:03:42] when they hear such revelations,
[00:03:46] wonder where these threats were supposed to come from,
[00:03:49] if not precisely from the Russian Federation, if not from Belarus,
[00:03:53] if not from North Korea, Prime Minister Donald
[00:03:57] now all signs in Tusk said a few hours ago, this is no longer a scandal. This is a crime
[00:04:00] against one's own homeland.
[00:04:03] However, a moment before the start of today's session,
[00:04:07] we also spoke with the chairwoman of the Pegasus
[00:04:10] Commission, Magdalena Sroka.
[00:04:14] The Israeli company NSO had complete control
[00:04:18] over the system, meaning it had control over the data
[00:04:21] obtained from mobile phones,
[00:04:26] Russia's influence on Polish citizens, prosecutors, judges,
[00:04:28] local government officials, politicians, opposition politicians during
[00:04:31] the election campaign, and other people
[00:04:35] against whom this system was used.
[00:04:39] So, as it turns out, the agreement drawn up then by
[00:04:42] Law and Justice politicians, people who were then in charge
[00:04:45] of the services, looked like this: Russians could not
[00:04:48] be spied on, Belarusians could not be spied on, but
[00:04:51] opposition politicians, for example, could be spied on in such
[00:04:55] a way that such software was installed on their phones.
[00:04:59] At that time, Polish services, in cooperation with Israeli ones, had access to
[00:05:03] SMS messages, WhatsApp, and all kinds of applications, but
[00:05:06] not only did they have such access, but for example, it was possible
[00:05:10] to turn on the front camera. here or
[00:05:13] the back of the phone some operator in
[00:05:16] Israel from an Israeli company
[00:05:19] could, as it were, for 24 hours
[00:05:23] look at what we were doing from our phone, such
[00:05:26] was the reality, such were the circumstances of using
[00:05:30] the Pegasus system at that time, this was the knowledge until now,
[00:05:33] whether there will be any new facts, what new
[00:05:37] names will appear in this scandal,
[00:05:40] everything. I thank you very much, you see, you were just shielding me, the business card of Ms. Magdalena Stronka, the chairwoman of the Pegasus Commission,
[00:05:55] she will be a guest on today's program, there will definitely be many questions, many answers, we are
[00:05:59] also to learn new names, previously undisclosed, related precisely to
[00:06:03] the scandal concerning the Pegasus spyware, the topic
[00:06:07] will be returning to our broadcast, you can already
[00:06:10] see the hall where
[00:06:13] at 12:00 the politicians who were members
[00:06:16] of the Pegasus Commission are supposed to gather, that is where we will go as
[00:06:20] soon as the public part of this
[00:06:24] report is revealed, that is, what can
[00:06:27] be said to the public.
[00:06:30] And now about the District Prosecutor's Office in Warsaw, which will investigate the case of these
[00:06:33] media allegations against the former deputy minister of agriculture
[00:06:37] Michał Kołodziejczak, a former colleague
[00:06:41] accused him of sexual exploitation and
[00:06:45] administering drugs to her. In the statement we read that
[00:06:48] in connection with media reports concerning the behavior of MP Michał
[00:06:52] Kołodziejczak, the District Prosecutor's Office in Warsaw
[00:06:55] today registered ex officio materials and initiated
[00:06:59] verification activities regarding coercion to
[00:07:02] specific behavior and providing
[00:07:05] narcotics.
[00:07:11] To schools, ladies and gentlemen. we're going, that's because the police are there,
[00:07:15] all this in connection with the protection of our children, but also
[00:07:18] of educational staff, almost 80,000 facilities inspected
[00:07:22] so far and 135
[00:07:25] detained, the police report this, the statement reads that
[00:07:28] police operations are still ongoing throughout Poland to ensure the safety
[00:07:32] of children, youth and all educational staff.
[00:07:36] By 6:00 a.m., 311 incidents were recorded, in which
[00:07:39] officers carried out activities. In connection with
[00:07:43] a justified suspicion of committing a prohibited act, during
[00:07:46] the operations, 135 people have been detained so far, police officers
[00:07:50] continue to monitor the network 24/7
[00:07:53] every report, these activities also started early this morning,
[00:07:57] so we are waiting for summaries of these today's police
[00:08:00] actions.
[00:08:03] Now we ask, ladies and gentlemen, about access
[00:08:06] to social media for children under 16,
[00:08:09] should the regulations change? And what do you
[00:08:13] think about this? This time we ask the residents of Opole. Wiktoria Marszałek
[00:08:17] asked this question. The first smartphone already before
[00:08:21] their eighth birthday, and then about five
[00:08:24] hours a day spent online.
[00:08:28] This is how Nask describes
[00:08:30] the daily life online of Polish teenagers
[00:08:34] and Polish children. In addition,
[00:08:36] endless scrolling, comparing oneself with others,
[00:08:40] access to inappropriate content. for their age, as well as
[00:08:44] unlimited content depicting
[00:08:47] violence, all of this makes us ask whether
[00:08:50] the internet should not be restricted for
[00:08:53] young people, that's why today I asked people from Opole
[00:08:56] whether access to social media should be
[00:09:00] restricted before the age of 16. Now in these
[00:09:04] media, well, I think some things
[00:09:07] are so destructive that
[00:09:11] they should be somewhat restricted. I think
[00:09:14] that some restriction would certainly have a positive
[00:09:17] effect on young people, teenagers, at least to
[00:09:21] some lesser extent, not necessarily completely.
[00:09:24] They should have restrictions, because now among young people there are many such
[00:09:28] dangerous things even though it is their age, well,
[00:09:31] anyway there should be restrictions and
[00:09:35] they should adhere to the rules more.
[00:09:37] Some censorship should be imposed on
[00:09:40] this, well, first of all, we are not able to check whether people
[00:09:44] under the age of 18 actually use
[00:09:48] media that are only for over 18. Today,
[00:09:51] just entering the correct date allows
[00:09:54] to bypass restrictions and use many
[00:09:58] platforms, even though we do not meet this age limit.
[00:10:01] Therefore, in discussions about restricting the internet
[00:10:05] for young people, we should not only talk
[00:10:08] about a specific date from which
[00:10:12] such platforms would be appropriate for children, but
[00:10:16] also about appropriate age
[00:10:18] verification.
[00:10:21] Wiktoria Marszałek asked the residents of Opole, but we are also in other cities
[00:10:25] in the country, and we ask residents of other cities about this very topic, which
[00:10:29] , by the way, not only among the residents of our
[00:10:32] country, but also politicians, arouses great interest, so
[00:10:35] let's listen to what Katarzyna Kotula said this
[00:10:38] morning on this topic? Certainly, the important
[00:10:41] DSA act and all these changes prepared by the Minister
[00:10:45] of Digitization, I know that there is a political discussion, a debate, who is to blame, it is not
[00:10:49] about finding fault, it is about, in my opinion, focusing
[00:10:51] on ensuring that, firstly, these harmful contents
[00:10:55] are quickly removed from the internet, here we know, the word censorship
[00:10:59] immediately appears, do you want to censor? well, either we want safety, or
[00:11:02] we want to talk nonsense about freedom of speech, well, what
[00:11:06] freedom of speech in a situation where children live in
[00:11:09] a world about which adults today have no idea, the police chief
[00:11:13] rightly said that there was no challenge, but this
[00:11:17] situation is a challenge, it is a challenge for us adults,
[00:11:20] everyone. Krakowians elected a new
[00:11:23] president, Łukasz. Gibała won the second round, he got over
[00:11:27] 62% of the votes. What did he announce and who will be
[00:11:31] watching him?
[00:11:32] Let's listen.
[00:11:37] Third time's the charm. The residents of Krakow chose
[00:11:41] Łukasz Gibała as the city's president, who was running for
[00:11:44] this position for the umpteenth time. This is, of course, a great honor, but it is also a big
[00:11:48] challenge. The situation of Krakow, as you know, is not easy, this
[00:11:51] is only a two-year term. Gigantic debt.
[00:11:55] Complicated situation in the city council, so
[00:11:58] we are moving into task mode. The new president of Krakow
[00:12:02] ran as an independent candidate, although in the past
[00:12:05] he was supported by political options from the right to
[00:12:08] the left of the scene. Gibała defeated in the runoff
[00:12:11] Monika Piątkowska, supported by the Civic Coalition and PSL. I want to tell
[00:12:15] you, beloved Krakovians, that it was a fantastic time,
[00:12:19] a lot of good energy, a lot of fantastic
[00:12:23] conversations, a lot of advice.
[00:12:39] We return to the topic of security and this great politics. The Polish
[00:12:42] raison d'état is to support Ukraine, so said Donald
[00:12:46] Tusk and thus appealed to politicians of the extreme
[00:12:49] right. I want to say very clearly.
[00:12:52] powiedzieć.
[00:12:55] these words must resonate here in Poland particularly
[00:12:57] strongly: if you have the interest
[00:13:01] of your nation in mind,
[00:13:04] if you think about the security of your
[00:13:07] compatriots, if you truly desire
[00:13:10] the sovereignty of your country, then
[00:13:13] your duty today is to support
[00:13:16] Ukraine against Russian
[00:13:19] aggression. Anyone who for some
[00:13:22] reason betrays.
[00:13:55] the energy agreement that President Donald Trump
[00:13:58] wrote about on Truth Social apparently did not reach Vladimir
[00:14:01] Putin. Ernest Zozuń from the TV foreign newsroom will tell you
[00:14:05] more about this now. It did not reach Vladimir
[00:14:08] Putin, but it also did not reach Volodymyr Zelensky, because I have
[00:14:12] the impression that Donald Trump simply said something believing
[00:14:16] that if the President of the United States says something,
[00:14:19] it happens immediately. It turns out that such things
[00:14:23] need to be agreed upon. Things need to be
[00:14:25] established during various
[00:14:29] negotiations. For these negotiations, for this energy ceasefire,
[00:14:33] the Russians are reluctant, and the Ukrainians are reluctant,
[00:14:37] because the Ukrainians first of all know that this is
[00:14:40] their strength. Bombardments and drone attacks
[00:14:43] on refineries on Russian territory cause
[00:14:47] the Russians to feel this war, and besides, they definitely
[00:14:50] cause a lot of confusion also in
[00:14:54] the Russian economy, and at this point they clearly show
[00:14:58] that the Russians cannot entirely fulfill the obligations they
[00:15:02] have undertaken, although one could discuss and talk about
[00:15:05] what these Ukrainian drones are targeting and to what extent
[00:15:09] it affects potential diesel
[00:15:12] exports abroad conducted by
[00:15:16] Russia. For Russia, it is important
[00:15:19] enough that it should know about it, because it
[00:15:22] would simply have to cease attacks on Ukrainian
[00:15:26] energy infrastructure, that energy infrastructure
[00:15:29] that supplies cities, homes,
[00:15:33] localities, with electricity, gas,
[00:15:36] and all other utilities that people simply
[00:15:39] need for life. Ukraine does
[00:15:42] not have a crazy number of refineries that
[00:15:46] would process crude oil into diesel
[00:15:49] fuel that would allow it to export, besides, Ukraine
[00:15:53] has never been involved in such an industry
[00:15:56] and has not conducted such exports, so
[00:16:00] refinery for refinery is not a beneficial
[00:16:04] deal for it. He was also present at the War Summit.
[00:16:13] Well, listen to him,
[00:16:14] by the way.
[00:16:17] We agreed to stop attacks on energy
[00:16:20] infrastructure. The American side knows perfectly well what this means
[00:16:23] for us? We do not have large reserves of oil or refineries, and we must
[00:16:27] import fuel. I am extremely grateful to our neighbors,
[00:16:31] and especially to Poland, for their support in meeting our needs.
[00:16:34] Russia has been attacking our energy system for years. Every
[00:16:38] winter, these attacks intensify, and we experience power outages
[00:16:41] daily.
[00:16:45] That's all for Ukraine and Russia, but we must also
[00:16:49] look at the political situation in the United States, because this
[00:16:52] is the primary reason why
[00:16:56] Donald Trump says various things, declares various things,
[00:16:59] and also enters into various agreements.
[00:17:03] Donald Trump's position is not the best, the position of the Republicans
[00:17:07] in these elections, which will take place on November 3rd, that's
[00:17:10] already virtually soon, is
[00:17:14] not the best, so Donald Trump
[00:17:17] is trying to save the situation, one could say he's grasping at straws,
[00:17:21] as he feels the Democrats'
[00:17:24] breath on his neck, and if the Democrats
[00:17:27] take one, and even worse for him, two chambers in
[00:17:31] Congress, then at that point Donald Trump actually
[00:17:34] loses power, Congress is able
[00:17:42] to incapacitate and neutralize him, and skeptics, or rather malicious people in the United States,
[00:17:46] tell him that virtually every week an impeachment
[00:17:49] will be organized by congressmen, as a result,
[00:17:53] it is very likely that Donald Trump will not serve
[00:17:57] out his term after such an unfavorable outcome for
[00:18:00] him in the elections, but we will closely observe what
[00:18:04] happens in the United States, also due to
[00:18:07] the security of Ukraine, for example, Pope Leo XIV
[00:18:11] is about to, in fact, be admitted - we are changing the subject, ladies and gentlemen -
[00:18:14] to the hospital, to the Gemelli clinic for
[00:18:18] an urgent operation, it seems. Yes, that means
[00:18:21] it is indeed urgent because a nodule was detected
[00:18:25] in the Pope's lung, but as the Pope himself says, at an early stage,
[00:18:29] therefore it is urgent because the earlier one
[00:18:32] intervenes in such cancerous histories, well, it is known
[00:18:36] that the effectiveness is much better, much
[00:18:39] more effective. Of course, the president of Italy
[00:18:43] sent words of encouragement
[00:18:46] to the Pope, declarations that the entire nation supports him in his fight
[00:18:50] for health. Also
[00:18:53] , Georgia Meloni, the Italian
[00:18:57] Prime Minister, offered her support to the Pope. We also look at the
[00:19:01] calendar of Pope Leo XIV,
[00:19:04] because , according to the Vatican
[00:19:08] press office, today or tomorrow the Pope will be in
[00:19:11] hospital, convalescence is expected
[00:19:14] to last a week, and then the Pope is to return to
[00:19:17] his duties and everyone
[00:19:20] looks with concern at the visit planned for early
[00:19:23] November to Uruguay, Argentina and Peru,
[00:19:27] that is, South America, and they wonder if it will
[00:19:31] take place, but for
[00:19:34] heaven and earth indicate that the Pope
[00:19:38] will indeed follow his calendar as it was
[00:19:42] planned, so we will observe those signs, especially in
[00:19:45] the sky. Thank you very much,
[00:19:48] and foreign news, which takes us to another
[00:19:51] foreign topic. You will hear in a few moments the Prime Minister of Great
[00:19:55] Britain, Andy Burnham, who goes back to what happened
[00:19:58] 10 years ago, that is, to Brexit and
[00:20:03] the fact that Great Britain left the European Union.
[00:20:09] We are certainly dealing with disinformation and false information
[00:20:12] coming from Russia. I don't think we realized the extent to which
[00:20:16] state-sponsored interference in the British democratic process was taking place.
[00:20:20] However, I asked this question upon taking office at Downing Street: did Russia
[00:20:23] interfere in the Brexit referendum in
[00:20:27] 2016? I received a clear answer: yes,
[00:20:30] it did.
[00:20:33] I believe this will help voters in Germany and France understand that part.
[00:20:59] we are moving these images that you see, these are Spanish celebrations of the national
[00:21:03] holiday, i.e., the Day of Hispanicity, which
[00:21:07] commemorates the arrival of Christopher Columbus's expedition
[00:21:11] to America in 1492.
[00:21:14] Celebrations with the participation of King
[00:21:17] Philip VI.
[00:21:20] A spectacle in the sky, there will also be, besides the King, government representatives,
[00:21:24] and the central point of these celebrations will be a grand
[00:21:27] military parade in Madrid. We will, of course,
[00:21:30] show you photos of these celebrations on TVP
[00:22:57] a few moments, the program at 5:12,
[00:23:00] at 12:00 we will be showing you
[00:23:02] the session,
[00:23:05] I imagine the last summary of the Pegasus Commission, we are to learn new
[00:23:09] names, well, the report, its public part, so please have
[00:25:49] It's 5:12 on the clock, so now we'll tell you
[00:25:53] what Poland and the world are living for.
[00:25:56] I invite Dominika Komarnicka,
[00:25:57] let's start.