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[00:00:02] my respected coordinating ministers,
[00:00:06] State Secretary, Red and White Cabinet Minister, Mr. Cabinet
[00:00:10] Secretary, Head of State Institutions, researchers, and all
[00:00:13] esteemed attendees. Praise be
[00:00:16] to Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala, for by His grace and bounty, on this
[00:00:20] blessed day, we are able to gather at the palace for a
[00:00:23] briefing by the President of the Republic of Indonesia and an exhibition
[00:00:26] of BRIN's research and innovation results. Please allow
[00:00:30] me, on behalf of BRIN, to extend
[00:00:33] our highest appreciation and gratitude to Mr. President for
[00:00:36] granting us this opportunity to brief BRIN researchers
[00:00:39] today. I have only been in office for 8 months,
[00:00:43] Mr. President, and I have heard from our researchers
[00:00:47] that today marks the first time
[00:00:50] BRIN researchers have been invited to the palace
[00:00:54] to showcase their research and innovation results
[00:00:57] and simultaneously receive direct guidance from Mr. President. This opportunity
[00:01:01] is a great honor for us and certainly
[00:01:05] makes us more enthusiastic to
[00:01:07] innovate. Furthermore, this activity reflects Mr. President's
[00:01:11] strong commitment that research and innovation are important foundations in
[00:01:15] realizing an advanced, independent, and competitive Indonesia towards Golden Indonesia
[00:01:18] 2045. Mr. President, research and innovation
[00:01:22] are the locomotive of sustainable economic growth and also the foundation
[00:01:26] of Indonesia's competitiveness in the future. The experience of various countries
[00:01:29] shows that there is a positive correlation between innovation
[00:01:33] capacity, as indicated by the Global Innovation Index, and GDP
[00:01:37] per capita per year. For this reason, BRIN
[00:01:40] strives to contribute to national development to
[00:01:42] support the achievement of economic
[00:01:46] growth targets and Golden Indonesia 2045. We are developing
[00:01:49] three tracks. First, presenting innovations to
[00:01:52] increase the productivity and competitiveness of MSMEs. Second,
[00:01:56] strengthening the competitiveness
[00:01:58] take football. No one of national industries through research and innovation. Third,
[00:02:02] facilitating co-development of advanced global technology so that
[00:02:05] Indonesia becomes part of technology development. Mr.
[00:02:09] President, BRIN will focus on advanced technologies
[00:02:13] are only slightly that will determine the country's competitiveness in the next 2 to 3 decades.
[00:02:16] The first is semiconductors, so that Indonesia is not
[00:02:19] dependent on foreign chips. AI to multiply
[00:02:23] national productivity. Genomics so that we can produce
[00:02:26] our own seeds, medicines, and bio-industries. Quantum
[00:02:30] technology for future security and computing.
[00:02:32] In addition, there are two technologies that we continue to develop: nuclear
[00:02:36] and space as levers for energy, health,
[00:02:40] food sovereignty, and even regional surveillance.
[00:02:42] The mastery of these technologies will determine whether Indonesia
[00:02:45] becomes a technology user or a technology owner
[00:02:49] in the future. In line with Mr. President's directive, BRIN
[00:02:52] together with Kemdikti Saintek has compiled a roadmap
[00:02:55] and National Strategic Research Agenda 2026-2045 as
[00:02:59] a direction for the development of Indonesian science. This roadmap
[00:03:02] serves as a common reference so that national research is aligned with
[00:03:06] RPJMN and supports the implementation of Asta Cita and national
[00:03:10] priority work programs, and also
[00:03:12] What did so that Indonesia no longer operates sectorally in institutional silos,
[00:03:15] but becomes an integrated and mutually reinforcing national
[00:03:18] movement. Mr. President, BRIN is building a network of strategic
[00:03:22] research facilities spread throughout Indonesia, including nuclear
[00:03:26] reactors, the largest observatory in Southeast Asia, satellite
[00:03:30] earth stations, the best laboratories in Southeast Asia, high-performance
[00:03:33] computing centers that are among the top 500 in the world,
[00:03:37] and facilities for testing aircraft, trains, rockets, and maritime
[00:03:40] technology. This infrastructure is the foundation for Indonesia
[00:03:43] to not only use technology but also to develop
[00:03:46] its own technology. To increase the impact of science, BRIN
[00:03:50] is running the BRIN Goes to Nobel Prize, BRIN Goes to School,
[00:03:53] and BRIN Goes to Campus programs to strengthen research
[00:03:57] culture, scientific collaboration, and regeneration of science talent.
[00:04:00] To accelerate the downstreaming and utilization of research results
[00:04:04] by the business world, BRIN regularly organizes
[00:04:08] "Goes to Industry" events so that more BRIN technologies
[00:04:12] are known, adopted, and provide added value to national
[00:04:15] industry. In supporting evidence-based policies, in 2026,
[00:04:19] BRIN aims to produce 177 policy briefs
[00:04:22] that will serve as input for ministries, institutions, and regional governments.
[00:04:26] Meanwhile, with BRIN Goes to Society, we
[00:04:29] ensure that BRIN's research and innovation results can reach
[00:04:32] the wider community. Mr. President,
[00:04:36] there are several summaries I would like to convey regarding
[00:04:39] BRIN's innovations. In the field of energy, BRIN is striving
[00:04:43] to build capacity to reduce LPG imports
[00:04:47] through biofuels,
[00:04:50] energy from biomass and waste, renewable energy, batteries, and energy
[00:04:54] infrastructure. One example, which Mr. President has just
[00:04:57] witnessed, is the absorbed natural gas technology
[00:05:01] that allows domestic natural gas to be stored at approximately 30 bar, lower
[00:05:04] than conventional CNG, through Metal Organic
[00:05:08] Framework (MOF) technology, discovered by Nobel laureate 2025
[00:05:11] Susumu Mukita. BRIN has established a sister lab with
[00:05:15] the Japanese Nobel laureate. Based on initial calculations,
[00:05:18] this technology has the potential to save up to approximately
[00:05:22] 26 trillion rupiah per year on the LPG
[00:05:25] subsidy burden. Ladies and gentlemen and Mr. President, in the field
[00:05:29] of aerospace, BRIN is building capabilities
[00:05:32] ranging from aircraft technology design, unmanned aerial vehicles,
[00:05:36] remote sensing satellites, to space technology. The N219 aircraft
[00:05:40] has now been licensed to PT Dirgantara Indonesia
[00:05:44] for production. In addition, the Neo 1 satellite, which
[00:05:47] is a BRIN production, will be launched in early
[00:05:50] 2027. This is important for independently
[00:05:53] generating satellite imagery data to support agriculture,
[00:05:56] forestry, marine affairs, disaster mitigation, and maritime
[00:06:00] surveillance. This development also provides mission cost efficiency
[00:06:02] of approximately 71.9% compared to similar
[00:06:05] missions. In the field of defense and security, BRIN is building
[00:06:09] capabilities ranging from unmanned vehicles, control
[00:06:12] systems, sensors, to defense and security support materials.
[00:06:16] One example is the PUNA Male Alap-alap fixed-wing
[00:06:19] unmanned aircraft for monitoring, survey, and mapping
[00:06:22] missions. With a flight capability of up to 6 hours
[00:06:25] and a range of 100 km, this platform can support more
[00:06:28] efficient regional surveillance. In the field of transportation,
[00:06:32] BRIN is developing electric vehicles, ships,
[00:06:36] trains, and energy transition engines. BRIN's ship designs
[00:06:39] have been used for customs and excise vessels and also
[00:06:43] for marine and fisheries ministry patrol boats. In addition,
[00:06:47] BRIN is also developing flex-fuel engines that can use gasoline
[00:06:50] or E20 to E40 ethanol blends. In the
[00:06:53] MBG and food sector, BRIN is building
[00:06:56] innovations across the entire MBG chain, from raw materials, processing
[00:07:00] machines, packaging, halal detection, distribution,
[00:07:04] to AI-based monitoring. One example is Food Guard,
[00:07:08] a device placed on lunchboxes to detect spoilage
[00:07:11] gas using multisensors and an
[00:07:14] AI
[00:07:17] model. In the area of innovations supporting fishing
[00:07:20] villages, BRIN has also built capabilities ranging from
[00:07:24] fishing fleets, aquaculture, to fish processing. One example
[00:07:28] is an electric-powered fishing boat which, based on BRIN's
[00:07:32] development results, has the potential to reduce energy operational
[00:07:35] costs by up to 70% compared to using fuel. BRIN
[00:07:38] also prepares aquaculture, storage, drying, and processing
[00:07:41] technologies so that added value does not stop at sea but
[00:07:45] continues until the product is ready. In the health sector, BRIN
[00:07:49] develops capabilities including tuberculosis and dengue vaccines, medicines, diagnostics,
[00:07:52] radiopharmaceuticals, medical devices, stem cells, to
[00:07:55] digital health and cosmetics. One example is
[00:07:58] a laser-based hemoglobin meter that works non-invasively,
[00:08:02] quickly, portably, and in real
[00:08:05] time.
[00:08:07] In the shoe industry, the footwear industry, BRIN is also
[00:08:11] building capabilities in two areas: one, mass
[00:08:14] production. We are developing school shoes made from local
[00:08:17] rubber with one-piece injection molding technology so that the
[00:08:21] upper and sole are integrated without adhesive and can be produced
[00:08:24] consistently. Alhamdulillah, today I am wearing
[00:08:26] BRIN-produced
[00:08:30] shoes. The price currently is still
[00:08:32] less than 70,000
[00:08:35] rupiah. For high-value production, BRIN is also developing
[00:08:38] smart insoles that read foot pressure distribution to support
[00:08:42] medical rehabilitation, sports, occupational safety, and
[00:08:46] research. Next is related to critical
[00:08:49] minerals. BRIN is building capabilities from source identification,
[00:08:53] extraction, separation, to purification. The processing
[00:08:56] unit is designed for a minimum capacity of 1,000 tons of raw
[00:09:00] material per year with the potential to increase added value up to
[00:09:03] approximately 40 times. So, what we are pursuing is not
[00:09:07] just mining but mastering the stages that determine its
[00:09:10] strategic and economic value. Then, in the nuclear
[00:09:13] sector, we strive to master the entire chain: uranium
[00:09:17] and thorium mining and purification, fuel fabrication, reactor
[00:09:20] technology, safety, radiation metrology, and waste
[00:09:24] processing. BRIN must prepare nuclear technology capabilities
[00:09:27] now so that when Indonesia decides to enter the era
[00:09:30] of nuclear power plants, we do not start entirely from scratch
[00:09:33] and do not just become technology buyers. In the
[00:09:36] field of water treatment, Mr.
[00:09:39] President, we have already produced Arsinomobile, which provides
[00:09:43] five liters of ready-to-drink water per day and has supported
[00:09:47] disaster management in various locations. Similarly, BRIN's
[00:09:50] desalination technology has also been licensed
[00:09:54] to industry and implemented in over 40 small island locations
[00:09:57] and various other places. In the field
[00:10:00] of housing technology, BRIN is developing roof tiles based
[00:10:03] on local materials, building panels, a modular
[00:10:07] interlock house system that can be assembled faster than
[00:10:11] conventional construction. One design in the material
[00:10:14] product is targeted to be built in 14 days and ready
[00:10:18] for occupancy in 30 days. So, the contribution
[00:10:21] is not just about making roof tiles but building a faster,
[00:10:25] standardized construction system that can be produced by national
[00:10:28] industry and is environmentally
[00:10:30] friendly. Wall technology. BRIN has
[00:10:33] developed several generations of protective layer units for refreshment,
[00:10:37] breakwater, and embankment foot protection, and integrates them
[00:10:40] with coastal vegetation and environmental monitoring. BRIN's role is
[00:10:44] to ensure that coastal protection is built with materials, designs,
[00:10:47] and data appropriate to the coastal characteristics, not just copying
[00:10:51] existing designs. Waste treatment technology.
[00:10:55] We have also developed a portfolio of technologies based
[00:10:58] on the scale and type of waste that you have already witnessed,
[00:11:01] from pyrolysis to household areas through lasamor and
[00:11:05] so on. We have even built the Red and White
[00:11:09] PSL to process approximately 100 tons of waste
[00:11:11] per day, and also for pyrolysis that produces
[00:11:15] fuel, we have implemented
[00:11:17] it in 80 locations.
[00:11:20] Finally, Mr. President, all these examples are only
[00:11:24] a part of the intellectual property we have. The message
[00:11:28] we want to convey is that BRIN does not
[00:11:31] only have many products. The message is that Indonesia
[00:11:34] is building national technological capabilities for
[00:11:37] food, energy, health, water,
[00:11:41] defense and security, environment, industry, and human
[00:11:44] resource quality. I always remember Mr. President's
[00:11:47] words that mastering technology is
[00:11:50] the dignity
[00:11:54] of the nation. The next stage is how
[00:11:58] we bring these capabilities to meet the needs
[00:12:02] of the government, industry, society,
[00:12:04] and science. Therefore, one of our tasks as BRIN
[00:12:08] leaders is to implement marketing functions so that
[00:12:12] BRIN's innovation products can be accepted by
[00:12:15] the market. Once again, we thank Mr.
[00:12:18] Seskap who has provided support for BRIN and also
[00:12:22] the Minister of State Secretariat who has facilitated
[00:12:25] various BRIN endeavors. It is certainly
[00:12:28] no less important that with this meeting, with Mr.
[00:12:32] President's permission, we are becoming more enthusiastic and more
[00:12:36] optimistic that with Mr. President's direction and support, Indonesian
[00:12:39] research and innovation will be increasingly able to support the implementation
[00:12:43] of our aspirations, accelerate the achievement of national
[00:12:45] priorities as the foundation of Golden Indonesia 2045.
[00:12:49] Once again, we thank you and wish success to Indonesia.
[00:12:53] Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh.
[00:13:13] Currently, the leadership together with BRIN researchers
[00:13:17] continue to strive to present impactful research, research
[00:13:20] that not only generates knowledge but also provides
[00:13:24] benefits that can be
[00:13:26] directly felt by the community.
[00:13:29] The spectrum of research and technology
[00:13:32] extends very widely, from beneath the Earth's surface
[00:13:35] to exploring space.
[00:13:39] BRIN prepares itself as the national research and innovation
[00:13:42] kitchen. Here, the various
[00:13:45] needs of the nation are processed into research,
[00:13:48] innovation, and evidence-based policy
[00:13:50] recommendations based on scientific evidence.
[00:13:53] The results become the foundation for
[00:13:56] ministries and institutions, regional governments,
[00:14:00] universities, industry,
[00:14:03] communities, and international partners
[00:14:06] in formulating solutions and making the
[00:14:09] right decisions. BRIN develops innovations in various
[00:14:13] strategic fields,
[00:14:16] one, research and innovation in energy, minerals,
[00:14:20] and rare earth metals; two, research and
[00:14:23] innovation in environment
[00:14:26] and waste management; three, research and innovation in aerospace and
[00:14:30] space; four, research and
[00:14:33] innovation in defense and security; five,
[00:14:36] research and innovation in transportation;
[00:14:39] six, research and innovation in food, agriculture,
[00:14:43] and support for the nutritious free
[00:14:45] meal program. Research and innovation in marine
[00:14:49] and fisheries and the development of fishing villages.
[00:14:53] Eight, research and.
[00:15:38] Strengthening national competitiveness, increasing community
[00:15:41] welfare, and supporting the national economic
[00:15:45] growth target as envisioned by President Prabowo
[00:15:49] Subianto, because for BRIN, research is not just
[00:15:52] about generating knowledge, research is about providing
[00:15:56] solutions, research is about creating impact, and
[00:15:59] research is about driving Indonesia's
[00:16:02] progress.
[00:16:22] Head of BRIN,
[00:16:24] everyone,
[00:16:32] Bismillahirrahmanirrahim, Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh,
[00:16:36] Waalaikumsalam. Good afternoon, greetings to all
[00:16:39] of us. Good afternoon, greetings to all
[00:16:43] of us. Shalom, salve om,
[00:16:46] swastiyastu, namo buddhaya, greetings
[00:16:49] of virtue. To the honorable Head
[00:16:53] of the National Research and Innovation Agency, Professor Arif
[00:16:56] Satria, Vice Head of the National
[00:17:00] Research and Innovation Agency,
[00:17:04] Professor Amarulya,
[00:17:07] and all BRIN staff
[00:17:11] present here.
[00:17:14] First of all,
[00:17:18] of course, we always give thanks
[00:17:21] to God Almighty, the Most High, for
[00:17:24] all the
[00:17:27] blessings and grace given
[00:17:31] to us. For the health
[00:17:34] and breath still given to us
[00:17:38] so that we can gather this
[00:17:41] afternoon in good
[00:17:43] condition.
[00:17:45] Brothers and sisters,
[00:17:49] sekalian,
[00:17:52] I deliberately invited you
[00:17:54] to the palace because I want
[00:17:58] to see, perhaps for the first
[00:18:02] time, not
[00:18:04] too
[00:18:07] detailed and not too comprehensive, but
[00:18:10] to get an
[00:18:11] overview
[00:18:15] of the results that you have
[00:18:19] achieved at
[00:18:20] BRIN.
[00:18:24] Thank you for coming to the palace
[00:18:28] and
[00:18:32] I hope perhaps I can also
[00:18:35] visit
[00:18:37] your
[00:18:41] campuses. I once visited
[00:18:44] a
[00:18:48] campus, the LIPI
[00:18:50] campus, if I'm not
[00:18:55] mistaken, in Cibinong, if I'm not mistaken,
[00:18:59] and in several places.
[00:19:02] Indeed,
[00:19:04] we all understand
[00:19:07] that
[00:19:09] the
[00:19:11] development
[00:19:14] of a nation is determined
[00:19:17] by whether that nation
[00:19:20] is able
[00:19:23] to master science and technology
[00:19:26] or not. So, nations
[00:19:30] that are able to master science
[00:19:33] and technology, those nations will
[00:19:39] advance rapidly. The
[00:19:42] key
[00:19:43] is
[00:19:49] science and technology.
[00:19:52] This is
[00:19:56] a fact
[00:19:57] and reality.
[00:20:01] From the mastery of science
[00:20:05] and technology, of course,
[00:20:07] the issue of education
[00:20:11] is the most
[00:20:14] critical foundation.
[00:20:16] The most critical
[00:20:20] foundation.
[00:20:27] And let us,
[00:20:30] I especially invite
[00:20:34] my
[00:20:38] team and all of you, if
[00:20:41] I lead, I like
[00:20:44] to lead with
[00:20:48] facts.
[00:20:51] Facts,
[00:20:52] reality,
[00:20:55] with
[00:20:59] the actual situation.
[00:21:02] Sometimes, facts
[00:21:04] are not
[00:21:08] pleasant.
[00:21:08] Sometimes
[00:21:12] seeing reality is not
[00:21:20] are the fourth most
[00:21:23] populous country
[00:21:26] in the world, almost 300
[00:21:28] million people,
[00:21:30] right? Almost 287 million
[00:21:34] people. But I'm very sad to say,
[00:21:38] in football alone,
[00:21:41] we are not able
[00:21:45] to qualify for the World
[00:21:46] Cup.
[00:21:50] This is an unpleasant fact,
[00:21:53] right? How can
[00:21:57] a small country like
[00:22:00] Cape Verde, yes, Cape
[00:22:03] Verde, qualify? I don't know,
[00:22:06] maybe its population
[00:22:09] compared to
[00:22:13] Sumedang Regency,
[00:22:14] Sumedang might have more.
[00:22:17] Maybe Cape Verde.
[00:22:20] And many other small countries
[00:22:23] are in it. We need to
[00:22:26] introspect, we need
[00:22:29] to look. And there's no
[00:22:33] point in complaining, in my
[00:22:35] opinion. I'm just giving
[00:22:39] football as an example, but I could give many
[00:22:42] examples, right? But let's just
[00:22:48] here is offended, right? "Right, right?
[00:22:52] Maybe the Minister
[00:22:53] of Youth and Sports
[00:22:56] is offended, but he just became
[00:22:59] minister.
[00:23:03] Or no, he's also quite good at PSSI,
[00:23:06] but he has fought extraordinarily.
[00:23:10] And we almost qualified yesterday,
[00:23:13] almost
[00:23:16] in. Maybe our strategy needs to be
[00:23:20] smarter." My point
[00:23:24] is, look at the fact
[00:23:28] that
[00:23:33] a country as big
[00:23:34] as ours cannot participate
[00:23:38] in the World Cup. One thing I say,
[00:23:42] don't complain, don't look
[00:23:44] for scapegoats, don't, because that
[00:23:47] won't help. Now, learn.
[00:23:50] How is it
[00:23:52] possible
[00:23:54] that
[00:23:57] that country qualified, for example?
[00:24:02] the coach do? Where are the
[00:24:06] teachers from? So,
[00:24:09] 500,000, right?
[00:24:12] Sumedang has
[00:24:14] more people.
[00:24:16] Bogor, even more. No,
[00:24:20] Sumedang has more
[00:24:22] than Cape Verde.
[00:24:28] So, we need to find
[00:24:32] the cause. Then we must dare
[00:24:35] to act.
[00:24:39] Science
[00:24:39] and technology.
[00:24:43] We need smart
[00:24:44] people. There are many
[00:24:47] smart people.
[00:24:50] I remember Professor
[00:24:53] Habibi saying, okay,
[00:24:56] we don't need to be afraid.
[00:24:59] Even 1% of smart people in Indonesia
[00:25:02] is almost 3 million people.
[00:25:06] So,
[00:25:10] we
[00:25:11] actually
[00:25:15] have a lot of raw materials.
[00:25:17] But
[00:25:21] whatever we have,
[00:25:24] it must be scientists,
[00:25:28] right? It must
[00:25:31] be
[00:25:34] sought out,
[00:25:37] fostered, given opportunities,
[00:25:40] nurtured,
[00:25:45] supported through a
[00:25:48] process.
[00:25:53] So, our
[00:25:56] approach to the rise of a
[00:25:59] nation, the rise of a nation. The
[00:26:03] aspirations
[00:26:05] of all our founding fathers, including all our aspirations,
[00:26:09] how a country
[00:26:12] where there is no
[00:26:15] poverty. How a
[00:26:19] country has no
[00:26:22] injustice.
[00:26:28] Well, if we approach it scientifically,
[00:26:31] rationally, not
[00:26:34] in any other
[00:26:36] way than rationally,
[00:26:40] then
[00:26:43] we will
[00:26:46] be mistaken.
[00:26:50] Rational, science, mathematics,
[00:26:54] reality.
[00:26:56] Reality is
[00:26:59] science. Reality is
[00:27:02] mathematics.
[00:27:05] Yes, if we approach it with
[00:27:09] another pattern, it's already
[00:27:11] another realm.
[00:27:15] Facts. Well, sometimes
[00:27:18] facts are painful.
[00:27:21] Now they say there is a
[00:27:24] survey, a survey called
[00:27:33] to compare the quality
[00:27:36] of education in various
[00:27:39] countries.
[00:27:42] We are not
[00:27:44] doing too well.
[00:27:46] So,
[00:27:51] the
[00:27:52] low
[00:27:57] PISA scores.
[00:28:00] You can see.
[00:28:04] Our
[00:28:04] scores,
[00:28:10] if you look
[00:28:11] there,
[00:28:16] above the Philippines. We are still below
[00:28:19] Thailand, below
[00:28:22] Malaysia,
[00:28:27] below the Netherlands,
[00:28:30] below Vietnam.
[00:28:33] Below average. OECD, under Japan, under Singapore,
[00:28:36] if Singapore, I'm not
[00:28:40] too worried, we don't need to
[00:28:43] worry too much, it's only a country of 5 million people,
[00:28:47] one city, right? The Minister
[00:28:50] of Education in Singapore cannot
[00:28:54] actually be compared to the Minister of Education in Indonesia,
[00:28:56] Indonesia has
[00:29:00] 388,000.
[00:29:02] Well, if I'm not mistaken, it will be
[00:29:05] checked later,
[00:29:08] there are some in the middle of the mountains, some on the outermost islands,
[00:29:11] there are
[00:29:14] so how
[00:29:16] to provide the best education for
[00:29:19] Indonesia, let alone Indonesia,
[00:29:23] maybe the head of the education
[00:29:26] department in Maluku
[00:29:29] Utara or the head of the education
[00:29:32] department in North
[00:29:35] Sulawesi, how does he
[00:29:37] have to check schools in
[00:29:41] Mianggas, on remote
[00:29:43] islands? So, if
[00:29:47] I say Singapore, okay, he succeeded in
[00:29:50] one city, the Minister of Education just
[00:29:54] has to travel around
[00:29:58] all of Singapore and maybe
[00:30:01] in 2 hours he can check
[00:30:03] almost all the schools there, right? They are reachable from his
[00:30:06] office.
[00:30:10] It's real, it's reality, it's
[00:30:13] reality, he succeeded,
[00:30:16] but our difficulties are very big,
[00:30:20] this should not be an excuse that we
[00:30:24] believe that we don't need
[00:30:28] to catch up with this lagging behind, I
[00:30:31] say this
[00:30:33] is what I call
[00:30:35] reality,
[00:30:39] these foreigners look at us, we
[00:30:42] can accept it, but we shouldn't be
[00:30:46] too afraid, he only looks.