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[00:05:18] of Indonesia, Indonesia
[00:05:48] Acts of vigilantism are still frequent in various regions in Indonesia.
[00:06:14] Not long ago, an alleged chicken theft in Tabanan, Bali
[00:06:18] ended tragically. A man died
[00:06:21] after allegedly becoming a victim of mob violence by a group
[00:06:24] of residents. This incident once again drew public
[00:06:28] attention and served as a reminder that amidst the outpouring
[00:06:31] of emotions, the line between upholding justice and breaking
[00:06:34] the law can be very thin. Behind
[00:06:38] these actions, there are various underlying factors.
[00:07:42] not continue to repeat, then, why do acts of vigilantism
[00:07:46] still often occur? What triggers
[00:07:49] people to choose to judge rather than pursue
[00:07:52] legal channels, and how to build public trust so
[00:07:56] that law enforcement remains the only way to seek
[00:07:59] justice? We will discuss it with competent
[00:08:02] speakers in their fields tonight on
[00:08:05] the Indonesia bicara dialogue, vigilantism when emotion overcomes
[00:08:09] law.
[00:08:14] Good evening, viewers, you are watching Indonesia bicara tonight with
[00:08:17] me, Happy Kuritman. Indonesia is a country based on law, but
[00:08:21] lately, viewers, it seems the law is being bypassed
[00:08:25] when a group of people feel entitled to punish
[00:08:28] others without official legal procedures. This is what will be discussed on Indonesia
[00:08:32] bicara tonight to discuss why this phenomenon
[00:08:36] occurs repeatedly and how to prevent
[00:08:39] vigilantism or taking the law into one's
[00:08:42] own hands from being normalized in society, of course,
[00:08:46] with the speakers who have joined us online. I will greet
[00:08:49] Mr. Kurnia Ramadana, Deputy 3 of the Government Communication
[00:08:53] Agency of the Republic of Indonesia. Good evening, Mr.
[00:08:57] Kurnia. Good evening, Ms. Happy.
[00:08:59] Assalamualaikum. Waalaikumussalam warahmatullahi wabarakatuh. Thank
[00:09:03] you, Mr. Kurnia, for joining us. Then there is the daily chairman
[00:09:07] of Kompolnas, Republic of Indonesia, retired Police Brigadier General Arif
[00:09:10] Wicaksono Sudiutomo. Good evening, Mr. Arif.
[00:09:13] Good evening, Ms. Happy, Mr. Kurnia, and Ms. Hasna.
[00:09:16] Assalamualaikum.
[00:09:19] Warahmatullahi wabarakatuh. Thank you, Mr. Arif, for joining us.
[00:09:23] Then there is criminologist Ms. Hanifah Hasna. Good evening, Ms.
[00:09:25] Hanifah. Good evening, Ms. Happy. Good evening, Mr.
[00:09:29] Arif, and Mr. Kurnia. Thank you. Okay, thank you, Ms. Hanifah,
[00:09:33] for joining Indonesia bicara. I want to go directly to Ms. Hanifah first
[00:09:37] to see about the phenomenon of vigilantism in society.
[00:09:41] Why is it, Ms. Hanifah, in your opinion,
[00:09:44] that this phenomenon of vigilantism continues
[00:09:48] to repeat in Indonesia, even seemingly
[00:09:51] normalized by society, as if society
[00:09:54] has the right to immediately arrest and judge
[00:09:58] perpetrators of criminal acts they catch?
[00:10:02] Okay, well, Ms. Happy,
[00:10:04] first of all, I feel that these are very, very
[00:10:08] eh disturbing conditions, right? Because until now, it turns out
[00:10:12] that many incidents like this have
[00:10:15] not been resolved. But if we look,
[00:10:18] vigilantism is not carried out by society
[00:10:22] against all groups, there is selective
[00:10:25] outrage. It turns out that
[00:10:29] when the perpetrators are people in higher
[00:10:32] circles, for example, corruptors with losses of billions
[00:10:35] of rupiah, they don't do this, right?
[00:10:39] This means they only do it to people of
[00:10:42] lower status. So, if I conclude,
[00:10:46] chicken thieves, muggers, pickpockets are
[00:10:49] lynched by the mob, but if it's a higher crime, a heavier
[00:10:53] crime and it harms many people,
[00:10:57] "they are judged by public opinion. This
[00:11:00] means there is a difference in how our society treats
[00:11:04] people, right? Both for those at a high
[00:11:07] level and at a low level. So, in this kind of situation,
[00:11:11] it means they are not only punishing the thief,
[00:11:14] but they are also punishing the level of society
[00:11:18] itself. Now, this is what we need to re-examine,
[00:11:22] why? Is it because they really don't trust the
[00:11:25] legal system..." in Indonesia, or is
[00:11:28] it that our society still can't regulate emotions
[00:11:32] well, or is the pressure of life so high that
[00:11:35] they commit crimes like this?
[00:11:39] But what is certain is that our society, in
[00:11:42] this case, in this case, they prefer
[00:11:45] to punish people who commit crimes against people
[00:11:49] closest to them, namely people around
[00:11:52] them. Because when they face corruptors, they feel
[00:11:56] that the loss is a state loss, not a loss
[00:11:59] that involves their emotions in their environment,
[00:12:02] Ms. Happy. This means that blue-collar
[00:12:06] crimes are more likely to trigger mob violence, which then results
[00:12:10] in brutality, compared to other crimes with a greater impact, such as corruption
[00:12:14] or white-collar crime, as mentioned by Ms. Hanifa earlier. Ms. Hanifa,
[00:12:17] but the question is, what is
[00:12:20] the cause that triggers
[00:12:24] society to suddenly become very
[00:12:26] aggressive when they find
[00:12:30] or catch a perpetrator of a crime? If from the research
[00:12:33] that exists now, where does this lean
[00:12:37] more, Ms. Is it truly
[00:12:40] a distrust of law enforcement
[00:12:43] agencies like the police,
[00:12:46] or is there an economic condition
[00:12:49] that causes unstable emotional conditions in society,
[00:12:52] or what? Yes, crime occurs
[00:12:56] when there is very high life pressure,
[00:12:59] there is helplessness, or life controls,
[00:13:03] control over the problem is lacking, and there is no social
[00:13:06] control or community control or absence of
[00:13:10] capable guardian. These three things make a person
[00:13:14] commit a crime. But if we look, this is a crime committed
[00:13:18] together, meaning there are several
[00:13:21] people, even many people, who are part of a community
[00:13:25] or crowd where when they are in
[00:13:28] a crowd, the identity of each
[00:13:31] individual becomes blurred. Now, when
[00:13:34] they are in a crowd, they feel that
[00:13:38] what they are doing is also being done
[00:13:41] by others. This causes moral disengagement
[00:13:44] which makes them feel that it's okay for them
[00:13:48] to do this because everyone else is doing it, and maybe
[00:13:52] because they lack legal literacy, they feel
[00:13:56] that it's a group doing it, not individuals. However,
[00:13:59] legal responsibility must be borne by
[00:14:02] each individual. This means our society still lacks
[00:14:05] legal literacy, that's the first thing. The second
[00:14:08] thing, and this is the most
[00:14:12] in the law. Perhaps what society feels
[00:14:15] is that law enforcement is not moving quickly,
[00:14:19] not moving transparently, and not acting
[00:14:22] fairly. These conditions hurt the community,
[00:14:25] so they can commit vigilantism against those
[00:14:29] who commit crimes that are very close to them,
[00:14:32] right? The root of the problem is how our society
[00:14:36] has emotional literacy all this time. Because
[00:14:40] no matter what, a person will not commit a crime
[00:14:44] if their emotions can be regulated well. And the most
[00:14:47] worrying thing is that many good people
[00:14:50] actually do nothing. So the difference between
[00:14:54] the past and the present is that in the past,
[00:14:57] when there was a crime in a crowd, they would catch
[00:15:01] the person, tie them up, and report them to the police.
[00:15:04] But nowadays, when they find a crime,
[00:15:08] they catch the person, tie them up, and kill them en masse
[00:15:11] or torture them en masse. And others become bystanders,
[00:15:14] they prefer to remain silent or record it, make it go viral.
[00:15:19] of the anger expressed
[00:15:23] symbols of community anger
[00:15:25] directed at other members of society. They show, "Look,
[00:15:28] we can administer justice." In fact, when they can
[00:15:32] administer justice themselves, it means they have shifted
[00:15:35] the function of the court from the government that
[00:15:39] has been provided by the government. Okay, thank you, Ms. Hanifah. I turn to Mr. Arif. Mr. Arif, many perpetrators
[00:15:43] of vigilantism or "eigenrichting" claim
[00:15:46] that they don't trust the legal process to
[00:15:50] be fast and fair. From Kompolnas' perspective, if
[00:15:54] there's a trust issue and also a problem
[00:15:57] with legal literacy, how does Kompolnas
[00:16:00] view these public trust issues towards the police
[00:16:03] institution at this time? Yes, thank you,
[00:16:08] ma'am. What Ms. Hasna said
[00:16:11] is indeed true, right?
[00:16:14] Well, we from the police,
[00:16:17] I used to be assigned
[00:16:20] to an area to secure similar incidents,
[00:16:24] now I'm a functional
[00:16:26] police supervisor.
[00:16:29] We are indeed concerned about this incident of vigilantism,
[00:16:32] right? We are concerned,
[00:16:35] but this is all
[00:16:37] due to a lack of
[00:16:41] or insufficient trust from the public
[00:16:45] in the quick response of law enforcement officials
[00:16:48] and other officials, because
[00:16:51] actually, if they were quick to
[00:16:54] handle this, it could have prevented
[00:16:58] such incidents. As an example,
[00:17:01] when I was the deputy police chief of
[00:17:05] East Jakarta, during my time, there was a report
[00:17:09] at the Kramat Jati police station about
[00:17:12] a Gojek motorcyclist thief who was
[00:17:16] caught at the Kramat Jati police station.
[00:17:19] The crowd surrounded him. When we were
[00:17:22] informed, we quickly arrived with backup
[00:17:25] forces and saved the
[00:17:29] perpetrator of the theft, taking
[00:17:32] him to the Metro Police Headquarters so
[00:17:36] he could be safer there through legal process.
[00:17:39] A few days before, a similar incident
[00:17:42] occurred in Cakung, where a motorcycle
[00:17:45] theft perpetrator was seized by the mob, then
[00:17:49] beaten and, even more horrifying, doused with
[00:17:53] gasoline and burned alive. This is extraordinary.
[00:17:56] So, what we need to convey here is
[00:18:00] the quick response of the authorities themselves.
[00:18:04] The authorities already have patrols at the district
[00:18:07] and sub-district levels, and they also have
[00:18:11] community police officers. The local government also
[00:18:14] has RT/RW and village officials. If
[00:18:18] they cooperate quickly, it can be prevented.
[00:18:21] The main factor is that people are already
[00:18:25] struggling in life. They survive
[00:18:28] to earn a living. And when their
[00:18:32] means of livelihood are stolen by others, those
[00:18:35] perpetrators are also not free
[00:18:38] from these problems. So when an incident
[00:18:42] occurs in society, if only one or two people
[00:18:45] know about it, there might not be a problem. But if a crowd forms,
[00:18:49] especially a group, a social
[00:18:52] psychology takes over, so rational thoughts
[00:18:55] will shift to irrational ones.
[00:18:59] They will collectively engage in vigilantism.
[00:19:02] That's our view, Ms. Happy.
[00:19:05] Okay, Mr. Arif, but in many cases, the police arrive after the mob action has already occurred.
[00:19:09] Now, how does Kompolnas evaluate
[00:19:13] the speed of the authorities' response in anticipating
[00:19:16] potential mob
[00:19:19] violence?
[00:19:21] Well, as we mentioned earlier, the police
[00:19:25] from the level of the police posts, which are now called
[00:19:29] sub-sectors, then the police stations, and especially the regional
[00:19:33] police, have patrol units: foot patrols,
[00:19:36] bicycle patrols, motorcycle patrols,
[00:19:40] and vehicle patrols. They also have frontliners,
[00:19:44] which are community police officers who always
[00:19:47] communicate with RTs, RWs, and villages.
[00:19:51] Ideally, if an incident occurs in the community,
[00:19:55] this reporting system can be quick, so they can arrive immediately
[00:19:59] and vigilantism can be avoided. Then,
[00:20:02] in this modern era, in this modern
[00:20:08] the police stations and regional police, there
[00:20:11] are reporting channels through
[00:20:13] 110. You can call them, and backup
[00:20:17] will arrive in a short time. This means
[00:20:21] if this is implemented, as we mentioned, the apparatus,
[00:20:24] both the police and the apparatus from
[00:20:28] the RT/RW and the village heads, including
[00:20:31] the babinsa, vigilantism can be anticipated
[00:20:34] and avoided, Ms. Happy.
[00:20:38] How does the government view the root of the problem
[00:20:42] that then encourages people to take the law into their
[00:20:46] own hands, or "eigenrichting", instead of handing it over to law enforcement?
[00:20:50] Yes, the first thing,
[00:20:51] pertama,
[00:20:56] please, Mr. Kurnia.
[00:20:59] Yes, first, if we
[00:21:02] reflect on the current incident
[00:21:05] that occurred in Bali, the government expresses
[00:21:09] its condolences for the death of
[00:21:12] Mr. KD due to
[00:21:15] such an extraordinary mob violence. We pray
[00:21:18] that his wife and children will be given
[00:21:21] patience and fortitude. That's the first thing.
[00:21:25] Second point, as was
[00:21:28] previously mentioned, the mandate
[00:21:30] of our constitution, Article 1 paragraph 3,
[00:21:34] asserts that the State of Indonesia
[00:21:37] is a rule of law state,
[00:21:40] so all aspects of the laws
[00:21:43] and regulations that exist, starting from
[00:21:47] the constitution, laws, and so on,
[00:21:50] must be obeyed by all Indonesian
[00:21:53] citizens. In the constitution, there is a guarantee
[00:21:56] of life, and that has
[00:21:59] been violated by a group
[00:22:03] of people in the Bali area,
[00:22:06] resulting in casualties.
[00:22:09] It should be that if
[00:22:13] there is an alleged criminal act,
[00:22:16] then what the public should do is report it to
[00:22:20] law enforcement officials. Even if there is a perpetrator
[00:22:23] right in front of them, what should the public
[00:22:27] do? Catch the perpetrator and bring them to law
[00:22:31] enforcement officials, not judge them,
[00:22:35] mob them like that,
[00:22:38] especially until the victim's life
[00:22:41] is taken just like that. And what
[00:22:45] has been done by the government regarding
[00:22:48] that incident, of course, there is an evaluation
[00:22:52] of the law enforcement aspect there. Of course,
[00:22:55] we will see how far the distance
[00:22:58] is from the location of the mobbing
[00:23:02] to the local police station. If
[00:23:06] the distance is close, of course, more questions
[00:23:09] will be asked. How long did it take law enforcement
[00:23:12] or the police to arrive at the crime
[00:23:16] scene? That's the first thing. Then the second
[00:23:19] thing is about the current situation. Of course,
[00:23:22] there is a victim there and also the victim's
[00:23:26] family. Regarding the victim,
[00:23:29] the crime of mobbing,
[00:23:31] the local police have already escalated
[00:23:35] the legal process from investigation to inquiry.
[00:23:39] They have designated a number of people
[00:23:42] as suspects and have taken coercive measures in the form of
[00:23:46] detention there. Of course, we will
[00:23:49] oversee this legal process until
[00:23:53] the legal process can truly meet
[00:23:56] the sense of justice. That's the first thing.
[00:23:59] Then the second thing is related to
[00:24:02] the victim's family. The Ministry of Social
[00:24:05] Affairs, the Ministry of Human Rights, the Coordinating
[00:24:08] Ministry for Political, Legal, and Security Affairs
[00:24:11] have condemned that incident. Not only
[00:24:14] in oral form, but the Ministry of Social
[00:24:18] Affairs team has already gone there.
[00:24:21] They have conducted an assessment of the victim's family and, most
[00:24:25] importantly, provided psychological
[00:24:29] assistance to the victim's child. According
[00:24:32] to the victim's family, the child
[00:24:36] experienced trauma. I think this
[00:24:39] is the effect of vigilantism. The head
[00:24:43] of the family died, and the victim's family
[00:24:46] has to bear a psychological burden that I believe
[00:24:50] will be prolonged. Therefore, the Ministry of Social
[00:24:53] Affairs provides psychological assistance. Besides that,
[00:24:57] the Ministry of Social Affairs
[00:25:00] also offers the victim's children
[00:25:04] to enter a public school so that
[00:25:07] their education is guaranteed.
[00:25:11] The economic burden on the victim's family is also
[00:25:14] reduced because accommodation, food,
[00:25:18] and so on are provided at the public
[00:25:21] school. So, that's what we can
[00:25:24] convey. Of course, condolences and concrete
[00:25:28] actions by the government to mitigate so that
[00:25:32] this does not happen again, of course, by
[00:25:35] increasing legal literacy, this is important,
[00:25:38] because every regulation that has been enacted,
[00:25:42] then all Indonesian people are considered
[00:25:44] to know the law. Therefore, this act of mobbing,
[00:25:47] of course, the government's hope
[00:25:51] is that it will be the last act or
[00:25:54] the last incident. Let this not happen
[00:25:58] again. Trust this to the legal process.
[00:26:01] There is homework internally
[00:26:03] for law enforcement that perhaps
[00:26:07] needs to be evaluated by the government.
[00:26:10] Yes, the government is open to that, but
[00:26:14] not by using that reason
[00:26:17] to take the law into their own hands, because
[00:26:20] the effects of that act are
[00:26:23] many and, of course, they harm
[00:26:26] society itself. I think that's it,
[00:26:30] Mr. Kurnia. Then the question will arise:
[00:26:32] can aggressive behavior or vigilantism be prevented?
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[00:30:03] You are still on Indonesia bicara discussing vigilantism
[00:30:07] when emotion overrides the law. I want to go directly
[00:30:10] to criminologist Ms. Hanifah Hasna. Ms. Hanifah, if we
[00:30:14] talk about, earlier, Ms. Hanifah has explained why
[00:30:17] vigilantism often occurs. So, does this
[00:30:21] aggressive behavior or vigilantism can actually
[00:30:24] be prevented, and how?
[00:30:27] Okay, well, everything can
[00:30:30] certainly be done, but it will definitely
[00:30:34] require a very hard struggle, right? So,
[00:30:38] vigilantism is not forbidden, but what we need
[00:30:41] to understand is that vigilantism cannot be prevented
[00:30:44] by asking the public not to take the law into their own hands,
[00:30:48] because that will definitely not work,
[00:30:51] because social behavior cannot be changed
[00:30:55] by appeals for change, right? But this
[00:30:58] change usually happens