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[00:00:03] You are still in Indonesia, we will discuss vigilante justice
[00:00:07] when emotions override the law. I want to go directly to
[00:00:14] if they commit acts a shout of "pickpocket!", Ms. Hanifa Hasna, criminologist. Ms. Hanifa, if we talk about, earlier Ms. Hanifa already explained why
[00:00:17] vigilantism is so common, so does that mean
[00:00:20] aggressive behavior or vigilantism can actually
[00:00:24] be prevented, and how to do it?
[00:00:27] Okay, well, everything can certainly
[00:00:31] be done, but it definitely requires a very
[00:00:35] hard struggle, you know. So vigilantism
[00:00:37] is not, but what we need
[00:00:40] what should to understand is that vigilantism cannot only be
[00:00:42] prevented by asking people not to take
[00:00:47] be caught off guard, because that reaches the furthest the law into their own hands, because that certainly
[00:00:49] won't work, because this social behavior cannot
[00:00:53] be changed by appeals for change, you know. But
[00:00:56] this change usually happens when people have a reason to
[00:01:00] trust the system itself. So this
[00:01:03] becomes a very heavy task, not only
[00:01:07] the task of the government, but the task of society, because
[00:01:11] no matter what, Ms. Happy, peace and order are
[00:01:15] not something we completely hand over to the police.
[00:01:18] Society must also understand that they have
[00:01:21] a responsibility to make society more peaceful again,
[00:01:25] which is by exercising social control. But for prevention,
[00:01:28] the first thing is... building trust, not just
[00:01:31] enforcement. Public trust in
[00:01:35] enforcement means it must be done quickly,
[00:01:38] justly, transparently. When this
[00:01:42] is done by the government, by law enforcement, then
[00:01:45] slowly but surely,
[00:01:48] the public will feel optimistic about the changes that exist. The
[00:01:52] second is to change social norms. This
[00:01:56] is actually a part that is very rarely discussed in
[00:01:59] various topics of discussion or debates. However,
[00:02:03] because what needs to be changed is not only the actions, but normalizing
[00:02:07] violence. This means there must be government
[00:02:10] parties who can reach the grassroots, provide education,
[00:02:13] provide literacy to the public. Who needs to
[00:02:16] be involved? Those who need to be involved are what Mr.
[00:02:20] Arif said earlier, community police officers,
[00:02:23] what about the police, what about the volunteers
[00:02:27] who should be involved, and religious study groups? How do
[00:02:31] they educate the community at the grassroots level,
[00:02:34] so that social norms are returned to what they were
[00:02:38] before, which makes society more
[00:02:41] peaceful. And the third is to train
[00:02:44] the community to be crowd controllers, what should
[00:02:47] be done, you know. These are actions or,
[00:02:50] sorry, these are very practical
[00:02:53] programs, because in every crowd there are actually always
[00:02:57] people who don't want violence to happen. The problem
[00:03:00] is that they choose to be silent, they choose
[00:03:04] is that what to be bystanders. So what needs to be strengthened is
[00:03:06] the courage of people to say,
[00:03:10] let's just hand it over to the police. Now, if
[00:03:13] everyone, even good people now are infected
[00:03:16] with bad morals,
[00:03:20] this becomes very dangerous, you know. The fourth is that
[00:03:23] the police must be present before the crowd takes the law
[00:03:27] into their own hands. Now, this is what
[00:03:30] was conveyed by Kompolnas, that we already have community police officers,
[00:03:34] we have already made approaches, you know, there are even military
[00:03:38] substations. This means that when there are certain approaches,
[00:03:41] they must understand. Even in the case in
[00:03:45] Bali, in areas where theft often occurs,
[00:03:49] this means it has already been identified by law
[00:03:52] enforcement that that place is very prone
[00:03:55] to crime. Now, these kinds of conditions would be wonderful
[00:03:58] if they could be... there could be
[00:04:02] special treatment from other places
[00:04:05] that might be calmer and more peaceful, where there
[00:04:08] is no crime. So the last, the very last thing is legal
[00:04:11] education,
[00:04:15] Ms. Happy, okay, okay, Ms. Hanifa, the
[00:04:18] last thing is legal education and education about
[00:04:21] emotions and empathy, because no matter what,
[00:04:24] our society, when they carry out mob
[00:04:28] rule, they are actually losing empathy for
[00:04:31] the citizens themselves. So they already know that beating
[00:04:35] people is a violation, but they don't necessarily
[00:04:39] realize that every person, including perpetrators of crime,
[00:04:42] still has the right to be processed fairly, as Mr. Kurnia
[00:04:46] said earlier. So even within a group, they will still
[00:04:49] be processed, who did what, and there
[00:04:52] are these articles that must be conveyed to the public
[00:04:56] so that vigilantism can be prevented.
[00:04:59] That's it, sir. Well, it means there is a way
[00:05:03] to prevent this vigilantism,
[00:05:06] not just appeals to the public, but the most important thing is that there must be concrete evidence
[00:05:10] from the police that there will be
[00:05:12] swift and fair legal action as hoped
[00:05:16] by the public, Mr. Arif, transparent, Ms., and transparent,
[00:05:20] and transparent, Mr. Arif. Can the police
[00:05:23] then, the next question is, take preventive measures that
[00:05:27] are not just appeals, but truly
[00:05:29] prove that
[00:05:33] law enforcement agencies are able
[00:05:36] to restore public trust that all
[00:05:40] forms of crime will be processed according to legal corridors, according
[00:05:43] to procedures that will definitely provide a sense
[00:05:47] of justice for
[00:05:50] the public? Yes, that's right, so
[00:05:54] the police have a program
[00:05:58] front, which is called
[00:06:02] "Curhat Friday." So every
[00:06:05] Friday, residents
[00:06:09] are asked to gather, perhaps during Friday prayers. They
[00:06:12] can share their concerns with the police, in
[00:06:16] this case, with community police officers or
[00:06:19] community development personnel at the sub-district or district police stations.
[00:06:23] Then on Sundays too, there is what is called
[00:06:26] "Minggu Kasih" (Sunday of Love). So for Christian
[00:06:29] communities who carry out worship activities at
[00:06:32] churches, they are also given the opportunity to
[00:06:36] provide input to
[00:06:38] the police. In addition to routine
[00:06:42] visits from Monday to Thursday or even
[00:06:46] Friday, there are programs
[00:06:49] of visits to schools and communities.
[00:06:52] Whether it's officials from the sub-district police
[00:06:56] or district police, they conduct ceremonies as
[00:07:00] inspection officers at schools in their area. So this way,
[00:07:03] they can receive input from the public. Now, the
[00:07:06] second is that the police
[00:07:09] themselves are taught or equipped
[00:07:13] with knowledge about the characteristics of vulnerable
[00:07:16] areas. Let me repeat, characteristics of vulnerable areas.
[00:07:20] So now, the term is areas with
[00:07:23] potential for disturbances. So they have a mapping
[00:07:26] of vulnerable areas, less vulnerable areas,
[00:07:30] and areas that have been brought
[00:07:33] under control. So when there is an incident
[00:07:37] in the community, they can immediately refer
[00:07:40] it to the local police, especially
[00:07:43] now that reporting channels or complaint channels
[00:07:46] such as 110 have been opened.
[00:07:49] Then, if there are police officers who violate rules,
[00:07:52] there is a QR code for complaints to
[00:07:56] the Professional and Security Division, and there is also a public complaint
[00:08:00] system. All these channels have been opened,
[00:08:03] including what is called a super application. With this
[00:08:07] super application, people don't even have to go to the police station
[00:08:10] to ask questions, take care
[00:08:13] of lost items, or
[00:08:16] renew their driver's license or vehicle registration. All of that is available. Now,
[00:08:20] if these things are still not
[00:08:23] effective, then there will be fair law
[00:08:26] enforcement. This fair law enforcement will
[00:08:30] be implemented, but now it's called law
[00:08:34] enforcement according to the new
[00:08:37] Criminal Code, according to Article 1 of 2023.
[00:08:40] Even
[00:08:42] law enforcement for offenses with a sentence of 5 years
[00:08:46] or more will only be subject to criminal penalties. If the
[00:08:50] threat is less than 5 years,
[00:08:53] a rehabilitative, substantive,
[00:08:56] and restorative approach will be prioritized,
[00:08:59] or we could say that they are given
[00:09:03] the opportunity to resolve
[00:09:06] issues peacefully. So there is no
[00:09:10] vigilante justice, because vigilante justice
[00:09:12] in Indonesia, which is a country of law,
[00:09:16] can be considered uncivilized, something
[00:09:19] that is not civilized. So they
[00:09:23] are expected, through those programs, to understand
[00:09:26] that. Thank you, Ms. Happy. Well, thank you, Mr. Arif. I want
[00:09:30] to turn to Mr. Kurnia. Mr. Kurnia, recently the public
[00:09:33] has also highlighted regional leaders who often hold
[00:09:37] competitions to catch criminals,
[00:09:40] for example, these regional leaders hold competitions to catch
[00:09:44] muggers, catch thieves, even with the
[00:09:47] phrase "catch them alive," you know. Even though regional leaders should
[00:09:51] support legal processes. Now, this has caused controversy. Some say
[00:09:55] this can encourage the prevention of vigilantism,
[00:09:58] but it could also, perhaps, lead to going
[00:10:02] outside legal boundaries. How does the central
[00:10:05] government, especially from the legal aid perspective,
[00:10:08] view this phenomenon? Yes,
[00:10:13] I think the procedure
[00:10:16] when there is an alleged criminal act
[00:10:19] is to report it to law enforcement
[00:10:22] officials, and that rule
[00:10:25] applies to all levels
[00:10:28] of society, including leaders
[00:10:32] in the regions. That's the first thing. Then
[00:10:35] the second is that I agree
[00:10:38] that to overcome
[00:10:41] this problem, it cannot be
[00:10:44] just an appeal. It requires collective
[00:10:47] effort. Therefore, what
[00:10:50] was conveyed regarding the
[00:10:53] efforts of the government, in this case, law
[00:10:57] enforcement, the police, for example,
[00:10:59] to provide public services to the
[00:11:03] community, there is the hotline
[00:11:05] 110 that can be accessed by all
[00:11:08] communities when they see any alleged
[00:11:11] criminal act, whatever the criminal
[00:11:15] act is, and the police state
[00:11:18] that this hotline can be contacted
[00:11:21] by the public 24 hours a day.
[00:11:25] These things are provided by the government
[00:11:27] to the public so that a culture
[00:11:31] of legal awareness and legal order
[00:11:34] is created, because as I said
[00:11:37] earlier, there is no benefit
[00:11:40] in carrying out mob justice, because
[00:11:44] in the end, the act of mob justice
[00:11:47] is classified as a criminal act.
[00:11:51] Therefore, the perpetrators of the mob justice
[00:11:55] against Mr. KD's family, when I checked,
[00:11:58] there were already five people named as suspects
[00:12:02] and they have been detained at this time.
[00:12:05] So this legal order, I also
[00:12:08] checked with several ministries,
[00:12:11] for example, regarding the socialization of laws
[00:12:14] and regulations, which is also being massively
[00:12:18] carried out, for example, by the Ministry of Law
[00:12:22] and Human Rights, and also by law enforcement.
[00:12:25] Meanwhile, the government is open
[00:12:27] to evaluating when there
[00:12:30] are law enforcement officials who do not comply
[00:12:34] or do not respond quickly to such
[00:12:38] reports, as has often
[00:12:42] been voiced by the public. Thank you, Ms. Happy.
[00:12:46] Well, thank you, Mr. Kurnia. I also want to ask Ms. Hanifa for her
[00:12:50] opinion, and Mr. Arif, regarding this. So, Ms. Hanifa, does the
[00:12:53] reward for catching muggers or thieves actually incite anarchy
[00:12:57] and jungle law, or can it prevent vigilante
[00:13:00] justice?
[00:13:05] Uh, Ms. Hanifa, your audio is still not
[00:13:08] audible, I'm sorry. Okay,
[00:13:11] well, it could be both, Ms. Happy, because basically,
[00:13:14] when regional leaders say such
[00:13:17] things, they might be trying to show support
[00:13:21] for law enforcement and that they will fight
[00:13:25] crime. But what we need to understand
[00:13:29] is conveyed by leaders is not necessarily
[00:13:33] well-received by our angry society.
[00:13:36] It could be that the message conveyed is
[00:13:40] that catching someone will result
[00:13:43] in appreciation. The hope is, the hope
[00:13:46] from the public's understanding is, "Let's help
[00:13:50] law enforcement." That is the leader's hope.
[00:13:54] But it turns out that what the public receives
[00:13:57] is, "The important thing is to catch them, we'll figure
[00:14:01] out how later, or the important thing is to catch
[00:14:05] them and we'll get money." Now, these
[00:14:08] kinds of situations make us think that this
[00:14:11] will also conflict with what Mr. Kurnia
[00:14:15] said, that everything already has clear and strict
[00:14:19] rules that when there is a criminal, they must
[00:14:22] be handed over. Now, these kinds of situations cannot
[00:14:26] be educated to the public first. What should be
[00:14:30] done when catching someone? How well?
[00:14:33] Where should they be taken? You know, because when
[00:14:36] the order is unclear, there is a possibility
[00:14:40] of misidentification, wrong person. Now, these
[00:14:43] kinds of situations allow for further crimes to occur.
[00:14:47] That's it, Ms. Happy. Mr. Arif, from
[00:14:50] your point of view, do these reward programs
[00:14:54] from regional leaders discredit the capabilities of the police
[00:14:57] in catching perpetrators of criminal acts, or
[00:15:01] can they actually help law enforcement? Uh, it's like
[00:15:05] this, the reward for catching muggers
[00:15:09] is well-intentioned to reduce
[00:15:12] mugging among
[00:15:15] the community. That's the first thing, but
[00:15:18] what Ms. Hasna said is true, because the public's
[00:15:22] understanding is different.
[00:15:25] There is concern that vigilante justice will emerge,
[00:15:29] while, Ms. Happy, among the police,
[00:15:32] they have a standard operating procedure,
[00:15:35] for example, the National Police Chief's Regulation No. 1 of
[00:15:38] 2009 regarding the levels
[00:15:42] of police operational actions in the field. For example, if
[00:15:44] there is
[00:15:48] this is what is done. For example,
[00:15:52] of violence, that is what is done up to harsh actions.
[00:15:55] There are also levels for that, including
[00:15:58] when they make arrests and conduct investigations.
[00:16:02] There is already police regulation No. 6 of 2019.
[00:16:05] So that's it. Now, if this is interpreted carelessly
[00:16:08] by people with different backgrounds and social
[00:16:12] strata, there is concern that
[00:16:15] vigilante justice will emerge. So
[00:16:17] have been said by the regional leader
[00:16:20] should have been given comprehensive
[00:16:23] explanation to the public, "This is what
[00:16:26] it means," so that they don't carelessly
[00:16:29] interpret it. That's it, ma'am.
[00:16:32] Okay, thank you, Mr. Arif, for your explanation. This means
[00:16:36] that if regional leaders can create
[00:16:39] rewards for catching muggers, why not also create a reward
[00:16:42] for catching corruptors, right? Well, we're going to take a break, viewers,
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[00:19:55] Thank you, and still with us on Indonesia Bicara. Vigilante justice
[00:19:59] when emotions override the law. I want to go directly to Mr. Arif, the daily
[00:20:02] chairman of Kompolnas Republic of Indonesia. Mr. Arif,
[00:20:06] vigilantism or vigilante justice certainly causes
[00:20:09] an impact, you know. Often, the families of vigilantism victims
[00:20:13] receive prolonged negative stigma in society,
[00:20:16] while the perpetrators of vigilantism are
[00:20:19] actually considered heroes. So is
[00:20:23] there a role for the police to also pay attention
[00:20:27] to the impact caused by these acts of vigilante justice?
[00:20:30] Yes, so what is clear is that
[00:20:34] the police have what Ms. Hasna mentioned, which
[00:20:37] is "pol one." One of the tasks of
[00:20:41] "pol one," in addition to being a negotiator
[00:20:44] when there is a protest,
[00:20:47] they also prioritize the healing process.
[00:20:50] This healing is for the victim's family,
[00:20:54] both children and wives, who tragically
[00:20:58] lost their husband or
[00:21:01] head of the family when he was lynched
[00:21:05] by the community. These programs are also
[00:21:09] always rolled out, both by the "pol one"
[00:21:12] itself and by those from the police psychology
[00:21:16] team. That's the first thing. The second is that we also
[00:21:20] hope that with some of these police
[00:21:23] programs, such as "Curhat Friday" and "Minggu Kasih,"
[00:21:26] then prevention and education programs and so
[00:21:30] on, must be consistently implemented.
[00:21:33] Don't
[00:21:37] all the tools possessed by the police,
[00:21:40] from the frontline to the top, are already
[00:21:43] in place. So that's it, Ms. Happy, no need to
[00:21:47] worry. It's just about the police's consistency in performing
[00:21:50] their duties as protectors, servers,
[00:21:53] and guardians. Thank you. Well, thank you, Mr.
[00:21:57] Arif. Ms. Hanifa, on social media
[00:22:00] now, everything spreads so quickly, you know. Even
[00:22:04] videos of mobbing also spread quickly, you know.
[00:22:08] This means there will be various narratives that are then
[00:22:11] consumed by the public. So, does
[00:22:14] the normalization of violence on social media contribute
[00:22:18] to the tendency of vigilante justice
[00:22:21] in society?
[00:22:24] Yes, actually social media does not
[00:22:27] create crime, but it accelerates
[00:22:30] the response, because no matter what, we have
[00:22:34] seen that vigilantism does not only happen
[00:22:38] offline, but online too.
[00:22:41] We see that society is very quick
[00:22:44] and responsive to certain conditions or cases.
[00:22:48] Their comments already incite crime or
[00:22:51] violence, that they normalize
[00:22:54] acts of violence or vigilante justice, even on social
[00:22:58] media. Now, we cannot filter this, everyone can
[00:23:01] watch, even children can watch. When
[00:23:05] everyone feels that this is okay and done by everyone, then
[00:23:09] this will form a new norm. When this forms a new norm,
[00:23:12] it means there will be similar actions, because they
[00:23:16] feel that everyone is doing this. So...
[00:23:39] years ago, but the medium is different. Now they don't kill people physically, but on social media they kill someone's
[00:23:41] mental state. They create opinions that make
[00:23:44] someone they consider evil completely destroyed,
[00:23:48] you know, completely mentally destroyed. And they have no
[00:23:52] self-respect left. That is also done as
[00:23:55] vigilantism on social media online. That's it,
[00:23:58] ma'am. Well, Mr. Kurnia, so what strategy
[00:24:02] does the government have to prevent provocation that leads to mass
[00:24:05] violence or vigilantism, which can originate
[00:24:08] from social media?
[00:24:11] Yes, the first thing is that
[00:24:14] case surfaced
[00:24:18] publicly, there has also been a response
[00:24:21] to check all aspects
[00:24:24] related to handling criminal acts.
[00:24:27] Mr. Yusril, as the Coordinating Minister for Legal, Political,
[00:24:31] and Security Affairs, will also plan
[00:24:34] to hold a joint coordination meeting
[00:24:37] with the Coordinating Ministry for Political, Legal, and Security Affairs,
[00:24:40] and also invite how aspects
[00:24:44] of witness and victim protection, the National Commission on Human
[00:24:47] Rights, the National Commission on Women, and the Indonesian
[00:24:51] Child Protection Commission will be implemented.
[00:24:54] This is certainly important as
[00:24:57] a basis for government evaluation and
[00:25:00] to check where there are bottlenecks
[00:25:04] that need to be resolved immediately. That's the
[00:25:07] first thing. Then the second is
[00:25:11] that there are things that need to be evaluated
[00:25:14] regarding the rapid response of law enforcement.
[00:25:18] We know that a few months ago,
[00:25:21] the phenomenon of "no viral, no justice"
[00:25:25] emerged on social media. Of course, starting
[00:25:29] from there, the police tried to draw up
[00:25:33] a roadmap for improvement, especially for improving
[00:25:36] public services, reporting, handling, and
[00:25:39] transparent, objective, and professional legal processes.
[00:25:43] I think in the past few months, the police
[00:25:47] have started to show this to the public.
[00:25:51] Of course, in this forum, I also
[00:25:54] invite everyone to collaborate.
[00:25:57] All parties, all elements of society
[00:26:01] must educate each other,
[00:26:04] must give understanding
[00:26:06] that there are many consequences
[00:26:10] when committing mobbing or vigilante
[00:26:13] justice. There are legal consequences for the perpetrators,
[00:26:17] there are psychological consequences for the
[00:26:20] victims, and of course, it will not
[00:26:23] bring any benefits when we engage
[00:26:27] in vigilante justice that is mandated
[00:26:30] by the Constitution. and laws
[00:26:34] that can impose sentences, process
[00:26:37] laws, it's only two, only law enforcement officials and
[00:26:40] judicial institutions, not individual citizens,
[00:26:44] public participation in the law enforcement process
[00:26:48] is given the authority by
[00:26:51] law to report to law enforcement
[00:26:54] officials, arrest perpetrators and drag them to legal
[00:26:57] process, not in fact
[00:27:00] legitimizing or giving...
[00:27:02] justification for any reason to take the law into one's
[00:27:06] own hands, thank you sir, thank you, Mr. Kurnia, I want
[00:27:09] to ask
[00:27:12] you to convey a brief message regarding for the community as well as
[00:27:16] law enforcement officials related to the acts of vigilantism that we
[00:27:19] have witnessed recently, Ms. Hanifah what is your brief message to
[00:27:23] the community so that they do not
[00:27:26] normalize mass violence this collective violence or
[00:27:29] vigilantism
[00:27:32] Okay, Mapi, we know that in a legal state,
[00:27:35] efforts to uphold justice is indeed
[00:27:39] very, very important, but this participation must
[00:27:43] strengthen the legal system, not replace it,
[00:27:46] so if a policy unintentionally makes people
[00:27:50] choose to have the authority to punish
[00:27:53] or arrest with violence, then we are
[00:27:57] creating new crimes and risks,
[00:28:00] which is to replace
[00:28:02] violence with new violence so that violence will continue
[00:28:06] to happen. Okay, thank you, Ma. Thank
[00:28:09] you. Mr. Arif, what is the message from Kompolnas to the community and also
[00:28:13] to the law enforcement agency Polri regarding
[00:28:17] enforcement, enforcement
[00:28:20] so that it does not lead to collective
[00:28:23] violence?
[00:28:25] Eh, thank you, so we urge the community
[00:28:29] not to take the law into their own hands.
[00:28:32] If there is a problem in the community, immediately
[00:28:36] report it to the police, the police have many
[00:28:40] reporting channels, whether it is Irwasum, whether
[00:28:43] Propam, or also to
[00:28:46] Kompolnas. Well, then the police themselves
[00:28:50] also have mechanisms as we mentioned
[00:28:53] earlier, if you can't report what we mentioned earlier,
[00:28:57] you can do it on Friday prayer
[00:29:00] Friday, Friday confession
[00:29:03] to the Babin Kamtibmas in
[00:29:06] the outermost
[00:29:09] areas of the region in cooperation with the neighborhood associations. Don't be
[00:29:13] hesitant, and once again, trust that the police
[00:29:17] will always act with
[00:29:20] wisdom and there will be law enforcement, and then
[00:29:23] it also needs to be known, Mbak Epi, that for
[00:29:26] police officers who have high dedication,
[00:29:30] they will every... period will be given
[00:29:34] rewards, which are rewards in the form of hug rewards
[00:29:37] or rewards from Kompolnas itself so that this
[00:29:41] can generate motivation and dedication for them to compete
[00:29:44] to be able to be quick or
[00:29:48] have a faster response time in serving the needs
[00:29:51] of the community itself, thank you, Mr. Arif, and finally, Mr. Kurnia, what is the message
[00:29:55] of the government to the community and
[00:29:58] also the police institution, especially to the community, so that they always
[00:30:02] uphold the presumption of innocence and do not take over the role of law enforcement
[00:30:06] in law enforcement?
[00:30:09] Yes, every person who is legally
[00:30:13] processed is not based on a
[00:30:17] belief, the basis for someone to be
[00:30:20] legally processed is measurable, which
[00:30:23] is commonly known in legal science as sufficient initial
[00:30:27] evidence or the fulfillment of two pieces of evidence,
[00:30:30] so to verify such
[00:30:33] evidence is not within the purview of the community,
[00:30:37] but rather within the purview of law enforcement officials, therefore
[00:30:41] taking legal action oneself or
[00:30:43] collectively with other members of the community
[00:30:47] is certainly not the right thing to do.